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Root then update or update then root?

Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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Post this question in Q&A or reply to one of the root threads and ask it. This really clutters up this forum.
Also, just root then update.

Dont Update
Never do an OTA (OVER THE AIR) UPDATE....IF YOU WANT ROOT IN THE FUTURE
What you need to do is root then flash a rom that is built off of the newest update.
and BTW post threads in the right forums so next time you wont get you ass ripped

yeah sorry was just thinking it was relevant not a forum expert though will move or delete thanks for the reply

jkcpsal said:
Trying to figure out if I should root using the original method the install updated rom or do ota then root with new method. Is there a benefit either way? The one thing I was worried about was it seemed like there were issues with installing updated roms. Anyone have an opinion on which root method is easier?
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As the others said, this should be in Q&A. To go into more depth though on why you want to root then update, all of the more recent root efforts are based around flashing an earlier version of the stock rom to allow rooting. If you were to update and then root you would be going forward then backward in order to go forward again (ie. update, downgrade, root, update). Doesn't make much sense.

+1 Root then unlock nand then flash custom, no need to update, most customs are based off of newest update, as previously stated of course

[Q] Root and OTA updates

Hi,
What are experiences of current owners of Nexus phones ? My Desire Z is rooted ( only rooted, don't have a custom ROM), and I never got Gingerbread update so I'd hate the same thing happening to G Nexus.
Thanks.

zljk said:
Hi,
What are experiences of current owners of Nexus phones ? My Desire Z is rooted ( only rooted, don't have a custom ROM), and I never got Gingerbread update so I'd hate the same thing happening to G Nexus.
Thanks.
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That will never happen with the GN. When you own this phone you're first in line for the updates until the next is coming out then you're second but still faster than the others.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

When you're rooted you can't get the OTA updates. You have to unroot to apply them. That's true for all Android phones.

You cant get them at all?
Not even: get update and apply it, loose root because of the update, reroot?
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk

TulpiX said:
You cant get them at all?
Not even: get update and apply it, loose root because of the update, reroot?
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
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you could do that, but chances are someone will get the OTA before you and pre root it for everyones pleasure and you can just flash that via recovery

TulpiX said:
You cant get them at all?
Not even: get update and apply it, loose root because of the update, reroot?
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
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If my experiences with my OG Droid match up with the Nexus line, if you've only rooted and haven't actually installed another ROM, you should be able to apply the OTA update and lose root because of it. Then just root again.

martonikaj said:
When you're rooted you can't get the OTA updates. You have to unroot to apply them. That's true for all Android phones.
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I've seen some threads claiming that root itself doesn't affect updates, but changing of data on system partition.... Was kind of hoping there is a way to have my cake and eat it too - don't mind having to root the phone all over again after the OTA....
Anyhow - as an alternative, is there a way to get official Nexus updates ( stock ) using other channels except OTA ? What was happening with old Nexus phones ?

zljk said:
I've seen some threads claiming that root itself doesn't affect updates, but changing of data on system partition.... Was kind of hoping there is a way to have my cake and eat it too - don't mind having to root the phone all over again after the OTA....
Anyhow - as an alternative, is there a way to get official Nexus updates ( stock ) using other channels except OTA ? What was happening with old Nexus phones ?
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The alternate way to get official Nexus updates is to download the update zip file once someone copies it off their device and uploads it, and install it in whatever fashion works.

I rooted my Nexus One without unlocking the bootloader or using custom recovery. I definitely still got OTA updates and they worked fine, but would unroot the phone.
The solution is to use a custom recovery and apply the update .zip manually, then reflash superuser before rebooting. Whenever an OTA update comes out, someone eventually uses logcat to get the URL to the zip and posts it so anyone can download it.
I was rooted on Froyo and got the OTA update to Gingerbread no problem, but I lost root. I eventually got root again (Gingerbreak) and when the 2.3.4 update came out, I did it manually in custom recovery to keep root.
Now I run CM7.1 so I definitely don't get OTA updates from Google

TulpiX said:
You cant get them at all?
Not even: get update and apply it, loose root because of the update, reroot?
Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk
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It will often download and you can try but it will either fail, unroot you, or cause troubles.
You're best off applying the pre-rooted update, or unrooting and taking the OTA.

martonikaj said:
When you're rooted you can't get the OTA updates. You have to unroot to apply them. That's true for all Android phones.
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True. However it's trivial to repackage an OTA update to a rooted update and since it's very compatible with the source in AOSP and you get working drivers very early you can start messing around with it straight away.

blunden said:
True. However it's trivial to repackage an OTA update to a rooted update and since it's very compatible with the source in AOSP and you get working drivers very early you can start messing around with it straight away.
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Of course, as is often the case for most phones supported here on XDA. the rooted OTA comes in the form of a .zip soon after it comes out.

slowz3r said:
you could do that, but chances are someone will get the OTA before you and pre root it for everyones pleasure and you can just flash that via recovery
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When flashing the rooted OTA via recovery, does it wipe the phone (apps and all)?
Also for the other method, when unrooting >> applying OTA >> rooting again, does it wipe the phone at any point during this process?
Help would be appreciated and rewarded!

I just received my OTA update notification and found the update zip itself in the cache of my phone. I can post that update zip here if a mod can come along and tell me where to put it. I am going to wait till I'm home so I can have my rooting facilities handy before starting.

phazerorg said:
I rooted my Nexus One without unlocking the bootloader or using custom recovery. I definitely still got OTA updates and they worked fine, but would unroot the phone.
The solution is to use a custom recovery and apply the update .zip manually, then reflash superuser before rebooting. Whenever an OTA update comes out, someone eventually uses logcat to get the URL to the zip and posts it so anyone can download it.
I was rooted on Froyo and got the OTA update to Gingerbread no problem, but I lost root. I eventually got root again (Gingerbreak) and when the 2.3.4 update came out, I did it manually in custom recovery to keep root.
Now I run CM7.1 so I definitely don't get OTA updates from Google
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+1. Exactly.
There is a lot of wrong (or slightly incorrect) information in this thread.
Have root has no impact whatsoever in your ability to receive or apply the OTA update. This has been the case on every Android device. However, if you have a custom recovery flashed, you will not be able to automatically apply the update - you will have to find the zip file in the cache and use your custom recovery to apply it.
On a slightly separate note, once you apply the update either automatically or manually via custom recovery, you will lose root. However, if you do have a custom recovery, as long as you flash ChainsDD's superuser package immediately after applying the update, but before rebooting, you will retain root.
On another separate not, if you flash the update as is from Google, it includes a file (/system/recovery-from-boot.p) that re-flashes the stock recovery on every boot, so you will lose your custom recovery. Either remove the file before flashing the update, or just re-flash your custom recovery.

Stupid noob question about CWM and OTA

Hello guys,
Just a quick noob question to which I get different answers: If I flash from yakjuxw to yakju and choose to flash a custom recovery, will I be able to receive OTA updates?
Thanks in advance

You will receive them, but you won't be able to install them if your recover isn't stock.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

To add to what Petrovski80 said, you wont be able to install the update over-the-air, but you will be able to install it by downloading it to /sdcard and rebooting into CWM and installing it from there.
EDIT: And in most cases, you will likely see the update here before you get it over-the-air on your device.

And if I have flashed mods/kernels through CWM and i install the update, will the mods be preserved or do I have to flash them again?

tobitronics said:
And if I have flashed mods/kernels through CWM and i install the update, will the mods be preserved or do I have to flash them again?
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If you flash "mods/kernels", the update will NOT install. If you change any of the original stock files, the update will NOT install.

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If you flash "mods/kernels", the update will NOT install. If you change any of the original stock files, the update will NOT install.
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THIS.

Software Update (small 8meg) won't update

I'm not running any custom roms but my phone is rooted. When I try to run the latest update (the one that's 8.45megs) it works all the way through the reset but then says install interrupted.
Anyone experiencing the same?

generally speaking, rooted phones and OTA updates dont play well together..

Try using this before installing the update
OTA RootKeeper

ainen said:
Try using this before installing the update
OTA RootKeeper
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Doesnt do didly lol. Its not for samsungs unless thats changed somehow.
You can install it, and pretend it works but it doesnt.. OTA RK it wont save you.
Whats so important about the ota you need it?
Find a nice rom to suit your needs.
Our devs will suit your rom needs a lot better than att!!
To hell with ota's I say!!
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Edit: Do your own research, heres the devs thread for ya
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241517
Things may have changed but I still stand by what I said. Read and make yourvown decision. Gl!

Well. ..
If you have stock recovery. ..you could go into your super user app and remove root. If you need stock recovery run CF Auto root then remove SU within the super user application.
Then attempt the OTA update. .( may not work due too tripped flash counter anyway)...
If it works or not, run CF auto root to get your root back.
But you would need to flash your alternative recovery again once the attempt is done if you want a custom recovery.
Long shots yes, but the OTA interface "WILL" check for a modified binary most likely.
Just thinking out loud...g

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After rooting, will the OTA work?

I am sorry if this question is answered already, but is there any way one can get the OTA again once the device is rooted? I mean by unroofing and factory reset or whatever means....

After rooting, OTA is still working but you'll probably lose root after it, excepted if your Superuser has an " OTA Survival " feature. In this case, you'll have to flash a stock ROM, and root it.
Sent from my Nexus 7

azvlean said:
After rooting, OTA is still working but you'll probably lose root after it, excepted if your Superuser has an " OTA Survival " feature. In this case, you'll have to flash a stock ROM, and root it.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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be careful if you have a custom recovery, accepting an OTA might screw your device up.

sk8trix said:
be careful if you have a custom recovery, accepting an OTA might screw your device up.
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Thanks for replying.
Will the custom recovery be overridden by the stock one? Or is there any chance of bricking the device?

sriram18981 said:
Thanks for replying.
Will the custom recovery be overridden by the stock one? Or is there any chance of bricking the device?
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no sometimes what happens is the files dont install and you either get a reboot screen or some sort of black screen and then you might need to fix things with a toolkit through the pc or some hard kind of fix, t happened to me on a motorola Atrix a while back.

sriram18981 said:
I am sorry if this question is answered already, but is there any way one can get the OTA again once the device is rooted? I mean by unroofing and factory reset or whatever means....
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If your phone or tablet is rooted but with Stock Recovery the OTA should work just fine as long as you haven't modified any system files that get updated through the OTA. The bigger the update is the more likely it is you will lose root and that the OTA will find modified files. On Nexus devices I've personally never seen more than an error message if the OTA fails. At most I've only ever seen "unexpected contents in" error with whatever (modified) file is the problem. The OTA will always fail if you have a custom recovery but it's not really a big deal, you can always flash the OTA update zip in your custom recovery (TWRP?), more often than not before the OTA even rolls out to your device you can find the OTA zip here or on another website.