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[BOUNTY(?)] WiFi calling

Not really sure how to properly start a bounty thread, and direction is appreciated. Also don't know if this is even possible as I know porting wifi calling has proven to be nearly impossible on other devices, e.g. Nexus S. However, doesn't hurt to ask and I know it was done on Nexus One. Am using Galaxy Nexus on TMo, if that makes any difference.
Really, desperately need wifi calling for reception purposes in my apartment. Left TMo's Galaxy S2 for the Galaxy Nexus, love everything about it except lack of reception in home.
I know I can utilize Google Voice, but I need to be able to use my TMo number for both incoming and outgoing calls as well as texts, and not interested in porting my mobile number to Google.
I'm willing to fork over $100 for working wifi calling, if anyone is up to the challenge... if even possible...
Also, if anyone has alternate suggestion (not Google Voice, something that utilizes TMo mobile number, would be GREATLY appreciated!!

If this is possible that would be awesome. But I believe UMA is strictly a tmo thing
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I use Groove IP app exclusively for calls, both over wifi and 3G/HSPA+. I am on the T-mobile $30/unlimited data/100min plan, so it is a must for me. It works great! and only a few bucks on the market. You will need a Google Voice account, and to set it to ring Google Talk, and maybe a little other setup, but it is pretty simple.

Tubes6al4v said:
I use Groove IP app exclusively for calls, both over wifi and 3G/HSPA+. I am on the T-mobile $30/unlimited data/100min plan, so it is a must for me. It works great! and only a few bucks on the market. You will need a Google Voice account, and to set it to ring Google Talk, and maybe a little other setup, but it is pretty simple.
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Thanks for suggestion but I really need my TMo mobile number to work, and I'm not looking to port it to GV...

lp1527 said:
Thanks for suggestion but I really need my TMo mobile number to work, and I'm not looking to port it to GV...
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I will match whatever contribution you make. I want to see the WiFi calling in the ways of the HTC Glacier (MT4G)...

Verizon has a network extender that plugs into your home internet connection. It gives you a cell signal in your house and routes it over the internet back to Verizon. There is no monthly fee just a charge of the device. $250 i think. Maybe TMo has a similar device.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=gotoFemtocell

pharpe said:
Verizon has a network extender that plugs into your home internet connection. It gives you a cell signal in your house and routes it over the internet back to Verizon. There is no monthly fee just a charge of the device. $250 i think. Maybe TMo has a similar device.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=gotoFemtocell
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GSM, on T-Mobile
But thanks for the suggestion...

pharpe said:
Verizon has a network extender that plugs into your home internet connection. It gives you a cell signal in your house and routes it over the internet back to Verizon. There is no monthly fee just a charge of the device. $250 i think. Maybe TMo has a similar device.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=gotoFemtocell
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TMo does have a signal booster device, but it cannot be implemented in shared-wall structures (i.e. apartment buildings). Also, have many places, such as family homes, with lousy in-door coverage where wi-fi calling makes all the difference in the world.

i called tmo last month i fact complaining of a low signal in my town home. they sent me a signal booster for free.. from 1 bar downstairs to now 5 bars

BiGMERF said:
i called tmo last month i fact complaining of a low signal in my town home. they sent me a signal booster for free.. from 1 bar downstairs to now 5 bars
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That's awesome! Unfortunately they're not allowed in apartment buildings so won't help me.
I desperately need wi-fi calling!!!

lp1527 said:
That's awesome! Unfortunately they're not allowed in apartment buildings so won't help me.
I desperately need wi-fi calling!!!
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Yeah, the cops might hall you off!

lp1527 said:
That's awesome! Unfortunately they're not allowed in apartment buildings so won't help me.
I desperately need wi-fi calling!!!
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Who's going to stop you..?
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jyames said:
Yeah, the cops might hall you off!
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Who's going to stop you..?
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Well I'm not scared of the signal booster police!
Unfortunately they check your address to verify. NO, I don't know if/how they can verify ALL shared wall structures, but for someone like me with "Apt. 5J" attached to my address it's not difficult. The issue is you need to register your address in case of emergency, as 911 cannot definitely and accurately determine your address if making a call using signal booster. So the issue is that if a neighbor picks up your signal without knowing and makes an emergency call, 911 may not be able to identify address. I know it's a long shot but it's not MY rule. And afaik, you cannot lock the signal to exclude others as you can with wifi.

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Oh, and hall = haul when referring to carrying someone away. Just saying

I think the booster is tied to your cell account... so you might have a fun surprise.
The wifi calling was awesome but ultimately its property of T-Mobile and doesn't work on ICS. T-Mobile must update it before even attempting to porting it over.
CM team has used it a ton. Maybe they'll implement it in their CM9 rom. But I suspect they'll be busy just ironing out the bugs for a while.
Plus T-Mobile is doing away with wifi calling as we know it. I BELIEVE they're implementing a new system and probably going to charge for it.
Hopefully T-Mobile gets this working on some ICS (Nexus?) when it releases.
-Galaxy Nexus
-Asus Transformer

player911 said:
I think the booster is tied to your cell account... so you might have a fun surprise.
The wifi calling was awesome but ultimately its property of T-Mobile and doesn't work on ICS. T-Mobile must update it before even attempting to porting it over.
CM team has used it a ton. Maybe they'll implement it in their CM9 rom. But I suspect they'll be busy just ironing out the bugs for a while.
Plus T-Mobile is doing away with wifi calling as we know it. I BELIEVE they're implementing a new system and probably going to charge for it.
Hopefully T-Mobile gets this working on some ICS (Nexus?) when it releases.
-Galaxy Nexus
-Asus Transformer
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You're correct that wifi calling is very proprietary to T-Mobile and from what I understand (I'm not a developer whatsoever), is extremely difficult to impossible to port. I've been watching them try it on Nexus S since its release a year ago.
Unfortunately T-Mobile won't make it available to a non-branded TMo phone so unless Galaxy Nexus is released directly by TMo (which I doubt will happen), it won't happen even when they update it for their own ICS devices.
ALso, TMo did in fact change the implementation of their wifi calling- it's already been released on new devices such as TMo Galaxy S2 and HTC Amaze. However they are not and will not be charging for it (in fact they've again enabled free calls that don't use plan minutes when calling on wifi), it has just changed the way it's handled (better performance). Little to no noticeable change to end users.
Would be great if CM team get it working on Galaxy Nexus!
Good thoughts, thanks!

lp1527 said:
You're correct that wifi calling is very proprietary to T-Mobile and from what I understand (I'm not a developer whatsoever), is extremely difficult to impossible to port. I've been watching them try it on Nexus S since its release a year ago.
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The problem on the Nexus S has nothing to do with the Wifi Calling app (which is actually made by Kineto), the problem is the radio interface layer (from Samsung) which is a binary blob. It does not support what the Wifi calling software requires to work (authentication calls mainly). Kineto blames Google for not "requesting" this feature from Samsung.
Getting the Kineto app up and working was really not that difficult. The only thing that needed to be changed was an audio library because the constructor was changed from Froyo to Gingerbread. That had nothing to do with the Kineto/Wifi calling software other than it used that constructor.
lp1527 said:
Unfortunately T-Mobile won't make it available to a non-branded TMo phone so unless Galaxy Nexus is released directly by TMo (which I doubt will happen), it won't happen even when they update it for their own ICS devices.
ALso, TMo did in fact change the implementation of their wifi calling- it's already been released on new devices such as TMo Galaxy S2 and HTC Amaze. However they are not and will not be charging for it (in fact they've again enabled free calls that don't use plan minutes when calling on wifi), it has just changed the way it's handled (better performance). Little to no noticeable change to end users.
Would be great if CM team get it working on Galaxy Nexus!
Good thoughts, thanks!
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I believe there is also a hardware component to it now (SIM based).
If anyone wants to try this I can give you the necessary info to get started.

krohnjw said:
The problem on the Nexus S has nothing to do with the Wifi Calling app (which is actually made by Kineto), the problem is the radio interface layer (from Samsung) which is a binary blob. It does not support what the Wifi calling software requires to work (authentication calls mainly). Kineto blames Google for not "requesting" this feature from Samsung.
Getting the Kineto app up and working was really not that difficult. The only thing that needed to be changed was an audio library because the constructor was changed from Froyo to Gingerbread. That had nothing to do with the Kineto/Wifi calling software other than it used that constructor.
I believe there is also a hardware component to it now (SIM based).
If anyone wants to try this I can give you the necessary info to get started.
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Well you clearly know much more than I do about it! Like I said, I'm absolutely no dev and have only 'average' knowledge of these things. Thanks for the info! Any idea if the GN has what would be necessary to make it happen?

I use my own asterisk box, but I'm sure a pbxes account would work for you. Just use the built-in sip client on the galaxy nexus.
https://www1.pbxes.com/index_e.php

nomisunrider said:
I use my own asterisk box, but I'm sure a pbxes account would work for you. Just use the built-in sip client on the galaxy nexus.
https://www1.pbxes.com/index_e.php
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Checked out the link but I still have NO clue what this is ... can you elaborate please? Thanks!

[Q] Wifi Calling GPS??

Every time I turn on WiFi and it initiates WiFi Calling, I notice that the GPS signal comes on for about 5-10seconds. Why would it pull my GPS location when starting WiFi calling?
Is this for 911 calling (hopefully), or is this to prevent you from using WiFi calling internationally to make free calls back home to the US?

Probably to bill international callers
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iwasblown said:
Probably to bill international callers
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That is what I am worried about. I am actually headed to Canada tomorrow and thinking I want to try it from a Tim Hortons or something but I am a little bit chicken haha.
It doesn't seem fair that they would do that... It doesn't matter/cost anything to them where I am connecting over WiFi from as long as I am not connecting via a tower.

atrade said:
That is what I am worried about. I am actually headed to Canada tomorrow and thinking I want to try it from a Tim Hortons or something but I am a little bit chicken haha.
It doesn't seem fair that they would do that... It doesn't matter/cost anything to them where I am connecting over WiFi from as long as I am not connecting via a tower.
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Just use google voice free calls to from U.S to canada or use a sip account.

I don't think for international billing. What if you are in the building or basement where no GPS signal. In addition, if they want, they still could check ip address.
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hyl4me said:
I don't think for international billing. What if you are in the building or basement where no GPS signal. In addition, if they want, they still could check ip address.
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ip is assigned by t-mobile, so it wouldn't necessarily very by location.
while yes, they could look it up, that would use their resources, and they would much rather use your battery and abuse your privacy.

danielblakes said:
ip is assigned by t-mobile, so it wouldn't necessarily very by location.
while yes, they could look it up, that would use their resources, and they would much rather use your battery and abuse your privacy.
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No, I mean the source IP which uses to connect to wifi calling unless you run through proxy, then it could be you are in US and have European ip .....But it is so true that "they would much rather use your battery and abuse your privacy"

Bump. I have been noticing this since updating to ICS. How do I get it to stop?

wifi calling issues

does anyone else that came to this phone from another t-mobile phone find that the wifi calling is just awful? i had perfect wifi calling on my g2 and mytouch4gslide but now, and although this phone as far as regular performance goes is a million times better in every other department, wifi calling (which i need because i get terrible signal in my house) is SO hit or miss. sometimes i'll get a call and answer it and its just blank silence. the other person will claim to be able to hear me when we finally disconnect and call each other back, but i hear absolutely nothing, like as if the phone was turned off, not even any dead air. sometimes i'll go to dial someone and the dial button just won't even work. it depresses and nothing happens. then a minute later it starts dialing. sometimes people say they call me and it goes straight to voicemail. i'd say its roughly 50/50 whether or not i get a good wifi calling experience or not. is there something with my router that maybe would help to make the experience better? certain settings i should have? i'm not really very experienced with setting up routers. i pretty much just go default down the line and then setup a password and thats it. i've tried clearing data on the wifi calling a couple times but it really hasn't helped. would appreciate any input because at this point its getting to where if i'm expecting calls i'll just have to turn wifi off and hope my fluctuating regular signal is good enough to get the call (usually is fine in my house for calls just practically unusable for data).
thanks

Try to get a range extender from tmo. WiFi calling is unreliable and from what I've seen on their forums they've done nothing to remedy it.

psykhotic said:
Try to get a range extender from tmo. WiFi calling is unreliable and from what I've seen on their forums they've done nothing to remedy it.
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yea but it worked so good on my last 2 tmobile phones. thats why i was hoping maybe there was some router settings that would work better with wifi calling on the s3 specifically. i'd much rather still use wifi calling if i could. in the past it was so much more reliable than my crappy regular signal here in my house...

polarbearmc said:
yea but it worked so good on my last 2 tmobile phones. thats why i was hoping maybe there was some router settings that would work better with wifi calling on the s3 specifically. i'd much rather still use wifi calling if i could. in the past it was so much more reliable than my crappy regular signal here in my house...
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It worked better on your other phones because those phones WiFi calling utilized the kinecto servers. Since now they've switched to IMS, WIFI calling has been kinda crappy.
I'm just sayin!

I've had the exact opposite reaction from going from kineto to ims. For me the quality is far superior and less lag and echo.
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nikol4s said:
I've had the exact opposite reaction from going from kineto to ims. For me the quality is far superior and less lag and echo.
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Yes the quality is slightly better but it's not as dependable as it was with the kinecto servers. I get the same exact identical issues as the OP.
I'm just sayin!

I also have the same issue as OP.
I was thinking that probably my network, but it is the phone.
Becuase my S2 works fine with wifi calling, only problem with s3.

byteless said:
I also have the same issue as OP.
I was thinking that probably my network, but it is the phone.
Becuase my S2 works fine with wifi calling, only problem with s3.
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My S2 has the same identical problem as well. With the s2 I thought maybe it was the phone, but after the problem manifesting on my s3, I knew it's either the WiFi calling software or the network.
I'm just sayin!

well at least i know i'm not alone haha. sucks though. maybe i'll complain to t-mobile, see what they have to say.

T Mobile WIFI calling..how big is for you?

So as much as I love my note2 I want to talk about something not unique to it..wifi calling
When I switched to the note2 I also switched to t mobile from sprint..I wanted an gsm note2 I could unlocked for international travel to use in country sims so tmobile was the choice.
But the thing is when I go overseas im almost always in a hotel with wifi..and tmobile wifi calling has been a God sent. .ive never even had to swap out for local sim..calling, texting, back home all over wifi at local us rates..how great is that..it is my favorite feature..yet almost no other carrier has anything like it.. surprising
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I really like it, but I hate how good of a WiFi connection you need.
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Not important for me at all
CARBON NIGHTLY | CABIN FEVER WHISKY

I'd use the crap out of it if it didn't use my minutes
I'm sure it's useful for those people who don't get a good signal at home, which isn't me, so it's pretty useless and unimportant.

I use it all the time.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

When people are in buildings that cell signals can't penetrate, they quickly become jealous of wi-fi calling. Having this additional capability is simply awesome sauce when you need it.

redhatter said:
So as much as I love my note2 I want to talk about something not unique to it..wifi calling
When I switched to the note2 I also switched to t mobile from sprint..I wanted an gsm note2 I could unlocked for international travel to use in country sims so tmobile was the choice.
But the thing is when I go overseas im almost always in a hotel with wifi..and tmobile wifi calling has been a God sent. .ive never even had to swap out for local sim..calling, texting, back home all over wifi at local us rates..how great is that..it is my favorite feature..yet almost no other carrier has anything like it.. surprising
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you used WIFI calling using T-mobile sim card and it charges you as a local minutes!? its too good to be true
I thought it would charge you for roaming rates, wouldnt it?
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jamalkhaffaf said:
you used WIFI calling using T-mobile sim card and it charges you as a local minutes!? its too good to be true
I thought it would charge you for roaming rates, wouldnt it?
Thanks,
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It acts like the device is in the usa.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

Coug76 said:
It acts like the device is in the usa.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
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Thanks thats great news for me Che Cheng

It is the most important thing. Without it I wouldn't be able to use my phone 75% of the places I go. Can't afford Verizon anymore hence my T-Mobile venture. Once again...thank goodness for WiFi calling.
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Critical.
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This is an addon with some biz plans. Critical for my company as alot my techs are in datacenters which have cell blocking tech, the buildings are just to thick, or some with heavy RF interference etc for any signal to get through. Even more when my guys are on the road. Beyond the lie that vzw or att say is everywhere, my guys can always pull off road at a pukeUds and call in.
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I'd use the crap out of it if it didn't use my minutes .
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It is one of the best features of the phone IMO. In many areas (like mine), T-Mo is actually worse than it was 10 years ago (when they were borrowing AT&T networks), with only 3G/4G in some spots and 90% Edge. I think it's great that they included something like that to keep customers sorta happy. I was afraid the voice would be terrible on it but it isnt. I wish other carriers had something like that.

Do you know if there's a way to enable Wi-Fi calling with moderate Wi-Fi connection? My device takes literally 10 minutes because my WiFi connection fluctuates from full bars to like three so it never connects.

WiFi call is the main reason I stay with T-Mobile/stock ROM. Especially I travel overseas a lot.

[Q] browse while talking on phone? lg g3

Is it true that you can't browse or do something else while you're talking on phone?

??? Obviously this is not true, I do all sort of things while talking on the phone... Whoever told you that is either playing you or is just dumb

That is true of the iPhone's on a Verizon network and I believe sprint but not true of the android devices.

False I always use chrome, XDA or something while talking on my Bluetooth headset. After all being on hold is boring.

Teio said:
??? Obviously this is not true, I do all sort of things while talking on the phone... Whoever told you that is either playing you or is just dumb
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I was browsing some reviews at bestbuy and I saw somebody rated it for 1 star because he said he couldn't browse while talking on phone. I doubted it but I wanted to make sure before I buy the phone. Thank you!

kevzz01 said:
I was browsing some reviews at bestbuy and I saw somebody rated it for 1 star because he said he couldn't browse while talking on phone. I doubted it but I wanted to make sure before I buy the phone. Thank you!
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Yeah man buy it without fear, it is a awesome phone!

Erhm. If I'm not mistaken you can't use internet while talking via 3g, right? Maybe even 4g. Its because of the net, not the phone.
You can use internet while using WiFi tho, and talk.

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Erhm. If I'm not mistaken you can't use internet while talking via 3g, right? Maybe even 4g. Its because of the net, not the phone.
You can use internet while using WiFi tho, and talk.
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Really? I can do it on my note 2 though. So you can't do it on g3?
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Erhm. If I'm not mistaken you can't use internet while talking via 3g, right? Maybe even 4g. Its because of the net, not the phone.
You can use internet while using WiFi tho, and talk.
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lossah said:
Erhm. If I'm not mistaken you can't use internet while talking via 3g, right? Maybe even 4g. Its because of the net, not the phone.
You can use internet while using WiFi tho, and talk.
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It works on Att I do it all of the time on 3g and LTE. I just move the floating phone window off into the corner because its easy to get back into if I need.

kevzz01 said:
Really? I can do it on my note 2 though. So you can't do it on g3?
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It works on Att I do it all of the time on 3g and LTE. I just move the floating phone window off into the corner because its easy to get back into if I need.
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Okay. I've been searching and it seems its because of the provider. And not the phone. Not working if you use Telia (here in Sweden) it seems for example, because the way they handle mobile data. They use the same net for calls and surfing. I had the same problem with my Galaxy S3, with the same provider.

As usual, there is some truth to this. If you are in Sprint, this phone uses their Sprint spark technology on lte (as do all new Sprint phones now). Unfortunately, this means that while in a call, you cannot use mobile data. Wi-Fi still works fine.
But this is not the phone, but is rather a feature of the provider...in this case Sprint.

This sounds pretty damn stupid and incompetent on Sprint's part. This used to be an issue with some carriers in the CDMA/TDMA days because yes, the voice and data channels were the same and limited per device. But this hasn't been an issue for years with most carriers. LTE is an all-IP network; it is the same process as the Internet. So has Sprint limited the number of ports a phone can open to traffic? Or are they implementing throttling that chokes your data when a call is in progress?
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This sounds pretty damn stupid and incompetent on Sprint's part. This used to be an issue with some carriers in the CDMA/TDMA days because yes, the voice and data channels were the same and limited per device. But this hasn't been an issue for years with most carriers. LTE is an all-IP network; it is the same process as the Internet. So has Sprint limited the number of ports a phone can open to traffic? Or are they implementing throttling that chokes your data when a call is in progress?
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It's a technology thing to support the triple bands. Google spark svlte for lots of info on it.