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I'm currently using an EnergyROM w/ Sense 2.5 on my Touch Pro 2 and am happy with everything so far, however my only let down with Windows Mobile is the types of applications made available for it.
I'm wondering whether it's worth me installing Android on my phone for the sake of having better quality applications and games?
Or is it still too early in development for something like that? I remember awhile back people were saying the sound wasn't working.
As far as Android go and whether its worth installing really depends on what type of apps you need. The sound is still not working on the external speaker at the moment as well as some other functions. With your current Windows build you are using, it will still be there. Android is installed on the external storage card. You can switch back after running Android by doing a soft reset.
Actually you dont need to even soft reset (well not with the stylus anyway), just hold down the lower right button and it will ask you to power down? then it starts back up in WM
Some people are using it as their main operating system but I just 'Play' with it. As mentioned ring tones etc is not working yet.
Mayflix said:
As far as Android go and whether its worth installing really depends on what type of apps you need. The sound is still not working on the external speaker at the moment as well as some other functions. With your current Windows build you are using, it will still be there. Android is installed on the sim card. You can switch back after running Android by doing a soft reset.
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I think he actually means the external storage card. It doesn't hurt to try it out to see if it's something you'll like. You can always go back to WinMo by soft resetting your device.
if android worked as well on my touch pro 2 as well as it does on my touch pro, i would be using it as my daily driver. sound doesnt work, power management doesnt really work, but the apps are good and with sense its very pretty, and i feel i can jump in and play games and stuff without having to worry about not having a phone since it can still make calls are send texts. if the camera, sound, gps where working, and the battery could last for more than 2 hours, i would have no reason to go back into windows really. hopefully the touch pro 3 will be android or something. if just for getting sense on 2.1 in landscape.
The Jack of Clubs said:
if the battery could last for more than 2 hours
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20+ hours standby with push email is WAY longer than 2 hours....
Besides, REAL tech flashing geeks wouldn't need to ask this question. Its a matter of trying it yourself, and coming to an educated conclusion on whether or not its worth it for YOU.
As started before it really comes down to teh apps you need. I been trying out android on my TP and besides the inaccurate battery meter its actually pretty good. I haven't made the ful switch over yet since I haven't found replacements to all my apps on WinMo but definitely found some good additions on android. Just tried it out for a while loading off the SD card and see how you like it.
Once they get TomTom on Android and that little app that transfers all sounds to your bluetooth headset in wm is when Android will become my prefered choice of OS. I like the idea of beeing able to "Dual Boot" back and forth from WM and Android. I would be completely OK with it if everything worked just using Haret.
As of right now personally I'm not satisfied with android on the tp2 as I was on the Kaiser but if they got that far on a 3+ year old device why not on the Tp2? I'm just hoping no one gives up on it.
starmena said:
Once they get TomTom on Android and that little app that transfers all sounds to your bluetooth headset in wm is when Android will become my prefered choice of OS. I like the idea of beeing able to "Dual Boot" back and forth from WM and Android. I would be completely OK with it if everything worked just using Haret.
As of right now personally I'm not satisfied with android on the tp2 as I was on the Kaiser but if they got that far on a 3+ year old device why not on the Tp2? I'm just hoping no one gives up on it.
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Tomtom!?? Screw tomtom! Google maps navigator!!!!
I've used tomtom since my early days using palm phones. I love the ap but google maps make it look obsolete. Once they get the GPS working on our phones I'll probably start using the android WAY way more.
Here are the apps I MUST HAVE to switch 100%
1. calendar exchange - need to know when to get to meetings
2. google market - after download and before install with 2.38gb free on storage and hundreds of mb free on device get not enough storage error. need this to install google voice for free calls.
3. way to get repeating reminders and sms alerts. need to get to meetings or know when I have to call in for something.
4. wireless router app.
5. evernote - haven't checked it prob an app for it.
6. quick upcoming appts view and weather conditions with wind and number of unread messages for each account on home page.
I can reboot for music if needed.
Thanks guys for all your comments.
I decided to run the AOSP 2.1 as I heard Sense UI version causes a few issues.
Everything looks pretty normal, only that unfortunately most of the apps I want to run are not found in the market. (I've heard that developers filter apps based on phone model, locale or features)
The big issue for me is battery life.
I can charge the phone no problem but it always stays at 62% and the battery drains very quickly.
Games-wise: I tried to install a "3D" if you can call it that game called 'Replica Island' and couldn't even run it as it was too laggy, didn't even get past the intro stage. All the other simpler games I have had no problem with. I also installed Scummvm with a plugin/game but don't know where it was saved to on the SD. Most likely that will lag too as it did even in WinMo.
My issues so far:
Cannot get Gen Y Dualboot to work, it just says that Android cannot be found. (When installing Android I used the .rar version not .cab)
Can't get sound to work via earphones. It says "(in call mic and earpiece work)" Does that mean it only works if someone calls me?
Overall user experience in Android is much better than WinMo. In Windows mobile, I have to click many times to get to wanted app or menu entry, while I usually clicks once or twice to get there.
One big thing for me is Google Voice integration. My folks uses phone card from Rebtel to call relatives overseas. Their fingers aren't usually fast enough for Rebtel to accept all digits. Google voice eliminated all the hassle and steps of using phone card. I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE IT!!
I really like it and wish they would fix the sound and 3d so that you can run games.... I use it for testing only for now.
No sound, still ?!? Not worth it as a phone device. A play device yes, thats about it. Winmo for me I get to all my apps and prog in just one or two clicks. Learn to use your quicklinks.
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I'm currently using an EnergyROM w/ Sense 2.5 on my Touch Pro 2 and am happy with everything so far, however my only let down with Windows Mobile is the types of applications made available for it.
I'm wondering whether it's worth me installing Android on my phone for the sake of having better quality applications and games?
Or is it still too early in development for something like that? I remember awhile back people were saying the sound wasn't working.
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Well, it's fun to play with for 10 minutes, but without working sound it's still pretty useless.
And I'm beginning to think the lack of sound problem will never be resolved
I'm beginning to think the lack of sound problem will never be resolved
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Don't lose faith. It takes time because the developers have to go through extensive testing to make sure the features will work properly.
They are most likely focusing on improving the battery life first before they finish porting the other features, because what good is it having sound when the battery drains within 30-60 minutes.
I thought the battery is fine, it's just the readings/meter that is inaccurate
Wish it's not running in software emulation mode too though..it's a bit "laggy" to my taste
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Don't lose faith. It takes time because the developers have to go through extensive testing to make sure the features will work properly.
They are most likely focusing on improving the battery life first before they finish porting the other features, because what good is it having sound when the battery drains within 30-60 minutes.
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20+ hours of standby with push email running is NOT 30-60 minutes. The battery IS fine, its just the meter that needs work. Charging even works now.
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I thought the battery is fine, it's just the readings/meter that is inaccurate
Wish it's not running in software emulation mode too though..it's a bit "laggy" to my taste
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Just FYI, it's not emulated, HaRET unloads Windows Mobile and then loads Linux (and eventually Android) like a bootloader. Like Loadlin, if you know what that was. The slowness results from a lack of hardware OpenGL coupled with the fact that the Rhodium is a WVGA device running on an underpowered MSM7xxx chipset. While that lag can be improved upon with proper GPU support and some performance optimizations (and even a little overclocking), this device will never be as fast running Android as the Nexus One, or the Hero, or most other native Android devices.
The touch pro 2 uses the same (or very similar) processor as the Hero, correct? I guess the big "problem" going forward for the TP2 is the higher resolution screen. Even if HW support for graphics rendering comes to fruition for Android on the TP2, the processor will likely be the "bottleneck" in regards to performance..
I've owned my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play 4G (R800at) for a week and a half now. It's actually my first Android experience and I am having serious iOS withdrawls despite being an adamant critic of many things Apple/iOS. Well, I did install it on my HP TouchPad a few weeks ago but I haven't really poked around yet.
Anyway, when I first charged it, it took almost all day. I was using it while charging it, but it still seemed ridiculously slow. After that, I would find it draining excessively fast despite only having a couple downloaded apps (OpenWatch, Pandora, etc) and rebooting to make sure that they were closed. Twice in the first week I set my alarm and woke to find it had drained completely and shut off (no alarm). This is inconsistent: other days it seems fine. I'm stumped bue, perhaps it doesn't like being on an AT&T Micro Cell? More testing required for that theory.
Anyway, I also noticed that performance is inexplicably bad some times and not others. After a fresh restart, my home screen will freeze and prompt to wait or force-quit. This seems completely random and it affects other apps too. For example, I'll start an SNES emulator and find it unplayable about half the time (choppy FPS and stuttering audio) and perfectly playable other times (no noticable frameskip or audio stuttering). If I reboot the phone first, you would expect results to be consistent but they often are not and I get the same choppy performance. Though I seem to have better performance with SNES9x Ex, both it and SNES A.D. have this issue.
If this is related to SD card performance, I've noticed that some shortcuts on my home screens take a while to load from the SD card and have disappeared entirely on more than one occasion (had to recreate them).
Anyway, I see reviews praising the performance in emulators and the decent battery life with no mention of these issues, which leads me to believe that something is seriously wrong. How useful is an alarm that dies in less than one sleep session? It's bad enough that it doesn't have a timer function (seriously?).
Speaking of emulators, I am picky when it comes to classic games and I can perceive that there is definitely latency in the games I have tried. I play on a level that requires instant response so many players may never notice, but there are only so many times I can run off a ledge that I would have jumped off of safely before I have to wonder if there is some inherant latency in the input method. I'm sure the emulator authors are more likely to blame but none of the other native games seem to require that level of precision for me to tell. Has anyone made any kind of test program to measure latency?
Now, the AT&T sales associate told me that I would have visual voicemail. I do not and I had no voicemail at all for the first week (traditional VM could not be set up over the phone; had to be corrected on their end). Having no Android experience, I just assumed that all Android phone supported it along with major carriers and traditional VM was included only for unsupported carriers. Was I wrong? I also assumed that there would be Android equivalents for all the basic iOS apps like Notes, Clock (with timer/stop-watch functions), screen capture function, and battery percentage in the status bar, but I know now that this is not the case (sorely disappointed; patent disputes to blame?). I looked on Sony Ericsson's webpage and see that they once advertised that the Xperia Play had Panoramic Camera with Touch-to-Focus but they edited it out, which I only discovered when I tried to snap a photo of some notes and found it impossible to focus. The forums were in a tizzy over that, after they had edited that unsupported and falsely advertised feature out when I noticed another feature that was missing and STILL ADVERTISED. Many times I had wanted to use the screen capture function but had not yet had the chance to look up how, but the online feature page clearly said that it was activated with a touch of the Power/Lock button, which I had used many times. When it turned out to be another example of an unsupported feature that was advertised for this phone, I began to wonder if the AT&T sales person was the one at fault or if he were duped by an earlier list that included VVM.
Yes. I know I can approximate VVM functionality through Google Voice and I plan to. I am still disappointed that I can't fully integrate it with native text messaging like SMS GV Extensions could on a jailbroken iDevice, especially now that Apple does something similar with iMessage (I do not have a texting plan).
I have another similar example. I was wondering why the Xperia exclusives weren't all listed together under the "Play Games" browser that can be set to launch when opened. I found a reference to the launcher that includes it in the phone's built-in "User Guide," which always gives some error about not being able to find a user guide before displaying it anyway. So, the reference said that it can be set to auto-launch when the phone is opened just like the "Play Games" interface. The option is clearly not there. That's probably just an example of them getting confused by their own confusing attempts to simplify things. There should be a central and configurable way to launch all games but there is no option in the "Play Games" interface to add or link to your own games or the other Xperia exclusives. Having Need For Speed Shift on the full app drawer listing only with Need For Speed Pursuit on the "Play Games" app and Crash Bandicoot on the Playstation Pocket app that only accessible through the full app drawer listing just means you have a ton of places to go before you even know what games came pre-loaded on the phone! I have a co-worker who's played my phone nightly for NFSP and doesn't even know it also includes NFSS (I won't tell him so that I can have a little more time with my phone ). It turns out that he's a long-time Android user too. FWIW, I *refuse* to call either PS Pocket or Play Games an "XMB" like so many others have refered to it as because it is *not*. The "Xross Media Bar" refers to a user interface that includes a list of catergories intersecting with sub-categories, which this certainly does not. Think of a rail-road "x-ing." A wavy, colored, background does not an XMB make.
So I'm going to see if I can swap out the phone if there is a hardware problem causing my battery and performance woes but that leads me to my next question: What if I have to swap it out after the free games are no longer offered? Can I keep the exclusives that are on there? Before I get flamed for not searching that question, I'll search the "how" of the matter later and only ask in case a quick answer can be included to my other problems.
Thanks in advance!
What firmware are you running? 2.3.2 I know has battery issues, Though running 2.3.4 its fine, Ermm contact Sony Ericsson about it.
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What firmware are you running? 2.3.2 I know has battery issues, Though running 2.3.4 its fine, Ermm contact Sony Ericsson about it.
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It took forever to charge on 2.3.3 and I upgraded to 2.3.4 before I could fully test but I just exchanged it and got another with 2.3.3. I'll be using it a couple days on 2.3.3 without OpenWatch to see if that had anything to do with it.
Thanks!
Explain to me how to update to 2.3.4 I'm on 2.3.3 and I'm having more problems then spittle with this phone lag randomx ghost actions and such I'm about to trade this thing in.... everytime I go to update it says no updates found wait 24hours and I have the 4g play
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Explain to me how to update to 2.3.4 I'm on 2.3.3 and I'm having more problems then spittle with this phone lag randomx ghost actions and such I'm about to trade this thing in.... everytime I go to update it says no updates found wait 24hours and I have the 4g play
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I'm assuming that it was 2.3.4 because I heard that it was the latest available and I used the Sony Ericsson PC companion app to find the latest update and apply it but I no longer have that one to see if it was truly 2.3.4.
The new phone had LESS than 200MB available out of the box and I am almost positive that all the performance and stability issues were caused by the ridiculously limited storage while the charging issues were likely a hardware problem. I doubt Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich is going to free up much, if any, additional space, so I have to wonder how they expect us to upgrade without hacking out all the bloat or them deliberately removing most of the crap despite the fact that they are still advertising features that have yet to be added ("Screen Capture" and "Gesture input"). My Google Voice/Voicemail issues are probably cause by a configuration issue on AT&T's end.
Screen Capture is only available in 2.3.4.
If by gesture input you mean swipe from one letter to another to build up a word then that is on 2.3.4 and must be enabled. I stumbled upon it yesterday in the options and it works ok, seems to get confused with some words. I tried to input "functionality" five times before I gave up and typed it in.
As for upgrading you can either wait for your carrier or use wotanserver, depending on your phone.
You can root and use titanium backup to either freeze, or backup and remove the bloat. Made a big difference in performance and battery life on my device.
God! Maybe u bought the bad piece, (u know 1 of 1xxx made phones are bad) XD i dont know but u should send a e-mail to Sony Ericsson... well to Sony or to Ericsson i dont know cus i heard Sony Ericsson doest exist any more =S
My phone charges VERY FAST... I think the phone maybe faulty..
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Also, I see that the original poster may be on AT&T. To my knowledge, we haven't gotten the 2.3.4 update yet. I'm on 2.3.3, and I haven't been given the option to update.
Also, about the emulation. If you are unhappy with the emulation on this phone, I don't know what to tell you man, unless you do have a faulty phone. Of all of the devices I've ran NES emulators on, including iPhone 3G, iPad2, old Windows Mobile, my DS and even PCs with wireless gamepads, this phone does an exceptional job! Maybe the PSone and N64 emulators aren't quite spot on, but I'm pretty sure this will be the device I finally finish Ghosts N Goblins on.
I'm thinking either you have something severely consuming your CPU, or you have a defective phone. Is your phone warm to the touch after you charge it, or just simply warm all day long? If I don't tinker with my phone all day, or make calls on it, it can go two days on one charge. Also, I'm using the stock AT&T rom, only removed AT&T navigator and a couple of other bloatwares. I really don't think I removed anything that would be consuming my battery though.
Also, your question on the games showing up in the Play Games menu. You can take a look at this post in the forums. He has a download to get a few emulators in the Play Games menu, and has a link explaining how you can add them yourself on other games. I've been successful on a few, and not on some others. To make the story short though, it's up to the developer to add the icon to the menu.
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Screen Capture is only available in 2.3.4.
If by gesture input you mean swipe from one letter to another to build up a word then that is on 2.3.4 and must be enabled. I stumbled upon it yesterday in the options and it works ok, seems to get confused with some words. I tried to input "functionality" five times before I gave up and typed it in.
As for upgrading you can either wait for your carrier or use wotanserver, depending on your phone.
You can root and use titanium backup to either freeze, or backup and remove the bloat. Made a big difference in performance and battery life on my device.
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Yes. After I pointed out on Sony Ericsson's forums that the feature wasn't there, they added a note that it required a software update. That update still isn't available. I'm specifically talking about the Xperia PLAY 4G features page, which means AT&T. Can wotanserver update an R800at to 2.3.4 and retain HSPA+ ("4G speeds")? Everything I read talks about the R800i.
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My phone charges VERY FAST... I think the phone maybe faulty..
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Even my replacement could not be described as charging "very fast." I used it for three days without installing any apps and deleting and turning off as many of theirs as possible and it is much better, but I obviously bought this phone to use it so I'll soon know if the issues return after I start loading it with software again.
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Also, I see that the original poster may be on AT&T. To my knowledge, we haven't gotten the 2.3.4 update yet. I'm on 2.3.3, and I haven't been given the option to update.
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You are right. I'm on 2.3.3. I do recall getting an update on my last one and assumed that it must have been 2.3.4. IIRC, I got it through the companion app (not OTA).
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Also, about the emulation. If you are unhappy with the emulation on this phone, I don't know what to tell you man, unless you do have a faulty phone. Of all of the devices I've ran NES emulators on, including iPhone 3G, iPad2, old Windows Mobile, my DS and even PCs with wireless gamepads, this phone does an exceptional job! Maybe the PSone and N64 emulators aren't quite spot on, but I'm pretty sure this will be the device I finally finish Ghosts N Goblins on.
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I'm saying that there is a perceptible latency in the one I tested that makes expert-level gaming impossible, but it's likely from the emulator author and another emulator may not have the issue (tested NESoid). I just wanted to know for sure.
Most gamers would never notice. I play Donkey Kong Country on my Sony XBR television with an actual SNES and I start firing out of the barrel cannons in the wrong directions, running right off cliffs, and jumping too late to avoid enemies until I turn off the image filtering options and enable game mode. Suddenly, even though I'm pressing them with the same timing, I now fire in time, jump before running off a cliff, and jump before hitting enemies. The latency matters to me because I play where a spilt second matters but most would never know.
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I'm thinking either you have something severely consuming your CPU, or you have a defective phone. Is your phone warm to the touch after you charge it, or just simply warm all day long? If I don't tinker with my phone all day, or make calls on it, it can go two days on one charge. Also, I'm using the stock AT&T rom, only removed AT&T navigator and a couple of other bloatwares. I really don't think I removed anything that would be consuming my battery though.
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It was intermittent. Sometimes I would find it inexplicably warm and I would restart it. The new one hasn't done that but I haven't loaded a single app. I think that even a few apps uses all the remaining storage and one of the internal porcesses to Timescape or some other SE customization goes crazy under this condition.
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Also, your question on the games showing up in the Play Games menu. You can take a look at this post in the forums. He has a download to get a few emulators in the Play Games menu, and has a link explaining how you can add them yourself on other games. I've been successful on a few, and not on some others. To make the story short though, it's up to the developer to add the icon to the menu.
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Thank you very much! Still, if it's up to the game maker, what is Sony's excuse for fragmenting "Play Games" and "Playstation Pocket?" They need to set the example! All they really need to do is let me add games to it the same as adding a shortcut to the Start menu on a Windows PC.
Alright, I don't know why this is happening now but it is draining my phone's battery a little and it makes me mad since I have such good battery life with this ROM. Anyways, let me just explain what is happening.
So I downloaded the Android Revolution HD ROM a little while ago (version 2.1.2) and I have been running it on my phone for a little over a month or so without any issues and with much better battery life and a much more responsive OS. I really loved the OS!
Anyways, mike released the 2.1.4 version and I decided to upgrade to it last week since I skipped over 2.1.3. I wasn't sure if Android 4.0.3 was going to be released soon and I wanted to upgrade when that came out. I used Super Wipe Lite to install it even thought I didn't need to.
Now for some reason I open up my recent apps list on the phone after it has been asleep for a little bit and the Maps app is there. I don't know why since I don't use it unless I use the GPS and I have not used that in a little while. It seems to happen after I get a text usually, but I have not paid super close attention to it until now.
Does anyone know why Maps is spontaneously opening or what I can do to force it to not open unless I want it to (for GPS etc.)?
same problem here...seems to be happening to others as well
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Freeze it with titanium backup when not using it? Not a cure but temporary solution at least.
Is it ROM related? I am not sure who to mention this problem too lol
Its Maps related. The last two versions have had this bug.
Ok thanks. I guess we all just have to wait until Google fixes it then. :/
Hello,
I've done lots of searching for answers to my questions here and elsewhere and come up empty-handed, so I apologize if I've missed something and this has been covered already.
My phone occasionally runs smoothly and fast, like it's supposed to. More often -- pretty much every time I need to interact with the phone and across all apps I use -- it freezes when I tap on something, whether it's to open an app or interact with an app that's already running. It will completely freeze up for anywhere from five to 15 seconds before reacting, and it's extremely frustrating at times. Sometimes, the screen will time out before I can enter my PIN to unlock it; sometimes when somebody calls and I tap "answer," the phone doesn't react fast enough to actually answer and I miss the call. As I said, very frustrating. It did this both before the update to Lollipop last week, and after.
Here's what I've tried: Hard reset; restarting; deleting or disabling all the apps (including Blinkfeed) I thought I safely could, usually just one or two at a time. I've run it in safe mode, and the phone works normally that way -- I just can't figure out what's making it freeze up. I've run a CPU monitor program, and haven't seen any huge spikes from any apps; and according to the app manager in settings, I typically have about 1G of RAM free.
I'm very hesitant to root the phone, mostly because this is a warranty replacement for a Verizon M7 I had rooted (and returned to stock), and none of the ROMs I tried with the previous phone worked well -- if at all -- with the security policies I am required to use to log in to my employer's Exchange server. Those policies include data encryption.
I'm running stock Lollipop 5.0.2 and Sense 6.0 on Build number 6.22.605.3, Baseband 1.13.41.1209.
If anybody has ideas for me to try, I'd greatly appreciate it. My upgrade date is late August of this year, but it's getting harder and harder to live with this phone, which I absolutely need for my work.
Thank you very much in advance.
It's been a month now since the Lollipop update. I have read through a few threads about performance issues in general after the update. I am going to assume that your phone too has become a victim of the update. I have NOT updated to Lollipop. Mainly because of my recent root and install of TWRP custom recovery, EX Kernel and ViperROM 7.0.2. If these issues aren't resolved, I will not update. Besides, KitKat is doing great for me. I would suspect certain services not running in safe mode that allow the phone to react normally as opposed to all services running in normal mode. Have you contacted VZN and/or HTC for possible t/sing solutions? I see that you have done what I would've done. After failing I would assume it is because of the Lollipop update
Ok all, I'm getting quite frustrated with my P6P. Was on A12 and sideloaded the OTA for 13 Beta 4.1. I didn't want to lose any data but also didn't want to enroll in the beta program which would have pushed the OTA anyway.
Beta was working but definitely noticed a hit to battery life at first and some weird things like running warmer, phone being warm just sitting on the pixel stand fully charged, just generally not feeling right. The good news was, it seemed to have gotten a little better over the next few days of use but still not great so when I saw stable A13 released last week, instead of going back to 12, I committed to using the Android flash tool and fully flashing A13.
After flash, I chose to restore my Google One / Drive backup and omg the battery life was completely abysmal and running hot. We are talking losing 20% per hour of light usage, standby was losing 10%+ per hour and wasn't going into deep sleep at all. I thought at first it was my Galaxy Watch4 and the Samsung health app causing the majority of the issues but when I disabled "activity tracking" on the app, it didn't fully resolve the issues.
Other issues include: taking phone out of my pocket, screen sometimes doesn't wake up (I remember this was an issue with A12 but G eventually acknowledged and fixed but I guess it's back), connected via Bluetooth to my car (no Android auto) the ring tone is no longer playing when I get a call, generally feeling not as smooth, weird system usages showing up in accubattery and the Android battery manager as using good chunks of battery, etc.
At this point I got another idea: reflash A13 but don't restore from backup (which I hate doing because then I have to go through every single setting to find stuff I changed and set it again both in the system and on apps). It seems like that helped a little with stand by battery drain but still seems to be draining at a higher level while in use. The issue of screen not waking up sometimes is still present and now, I just saw this morning that I tap on the Google Play System Updates within the security menu and it does nothing. I was able to get into it yesterday morning and it found an update (still says July 1 though) but I didn't reboot to complete it until this morning. Now I can't get into it anymore at all. I also found some weird folders in my DCIM folder and another one that referenced icloud and iphone transfers but I've never been an iphone user.
I'm so frustrated with this phone lately and it seems like no matter what I do, I cannot get it to work right with multiple little things as well as battery drain.
Am I the only one? And if not, anyone have any ideas on how to fix my issues? Is it time to contact Google for an RMA? I was one of the launch day orders so I don't know if my specific hardware is the issue. I am now locked in to 13 bc of the bootloader thing, I didn't manually flash the BL to both slots, only used official flash tool which you'd think of this was a critical thing, Google would do that with the flash tool but I guess they can't get their left hand to recognize what the right hand is doing.
Just typing this post on Chrome browser for 10 mins, burned through 4% battery.
You're not the only one...
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Thanks for that reddit article but that's not exactly answering my questions. Yes I know I'm not the only one who's had battery issues and I've gone through all those steps up to and including reflashing cleanly and wiping.
What about the other stuff I'm having issues with? Anybody else experience any of those issues? Is there anyone on 13 stable NOT having some issues with battery or other oddities?
Essentially I'm debating on wiping again and/or reloading the OS again but if others are having the same or similar issues then it may just be Google being Google and releasing a buggy build (yet again).
Side note, I also just got a notification that Google One backup is currently running and to tap for more info but yet, I don't have it plugged it nor is the phone idle. It is on wifi though but I tapped the notification and nothing was happening. It said the last backup was at 3:37am. Also, I am now down another 10% of battery since posting this with barely any usage.
Hi, I've been on Android 13 Stable for the past 7+ days, and haven't had any problems.
The only suggestion I have is a start completely fresh type, but there's no guarantee it'll fix anything. Official Google Android Flash Tool (OEM Unlocking needs to be toggled on - you may not have to manually unlock the bootloader - the "site" will do that on its own).
^ It's fixed things for many users, including myself, that nothing else including the factory image would fix, but for me, that was six months ago so obviously on Android 12, and it was a different issue than any that you're describing.
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Is there anyone on 13 stable NOT having some issues with battery or other oddities?
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I've had no issues with 13 but didn't have any on 12 either. Day one phone too.
roirraW edor ehT said:
Hi, I've been on Android 13 Stable for the past 7+ days, and haven't had any problems.
The only suggestion I have is a start completely fresh type, but there's no guarantee it'll fix anything. Official Google Android Flash Tool (OEM Unlocking needs to be toggled on - you may not have to manually unlock the bootloader - the "site" will do that on its own).
^ It's fixed things for many users, including myself, that nothing else including the factory image would fix, but for me, that was six months ago so obviously on Android 12, and it was a different issue than any that you're describing.
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I did what I thought was starting fresh the last time around (Sunday). Used the official flash tool and didn't restore anything from backup. All I did was add my Gmail accounts and then manually downloaded every app I use and then tried to set all the settings again in both system and apps to how I like them. Is there something I'm missing? Is there a difference between the pixel repair tool and the Android flash tool? What about the settings that are flash tool? I have them set to wipe, lock, and force flash everything. Not sure if that exists on pixel repair tool. I've also noticed a fairly large reduction in size of the backup that occured last night with the apps section showing only 44 apps at about 11.7MB in size when my previous backup was 60 apps at about 48.2MB. I'm thinking of just wiping/reflashing again for the 3rd time but restoring from backup this time since it really didn't make much difference.
How about the Google play system up bug thing? Can someone tap on it and see if it comes up checking for an update or if it does nothing like me. And when I say nothing, just the menu option to tap on just lights up but doesn't open anything. How about the issue with the screen not waking up if taken out of your pocket?
For what it's worth, I haven't started from scratch since I accidentally did last December (after originally setting my phone up in late October or in November). I used the Android 13 factory image over top of my existing install without wiping.
I'm under the impression that yes, there is a difference between the Pixel Repair Tool and the Android Flash Tool, but I've never actually used the Pixel Repair Tool. I know the first several months, at least, the Pixel Repair Tool hadn't yet been updated to work with the Pixel 6 Pro. It may have been updated since then, I just don't know for sure.
When I have wiped/factory reset in the past six years (starting with my Pixel 1), I always restore all or almost all data from Google's backup. I do have Swift Backup do automatic nightly backups as well, but I only restore data (through Swift Backup) for the apps that I really need to - definitely not very many.
Your settings for the Android Flash Tool sound fine.
Is the "Google Play System Up(date) bug where clicking on it doesn't do anything? If so, it doesn't do anything for me, either. Mine doesn't even light up, but I have dark mode on, plus using Pitch Black theme from AOSP mods.
I rarely have my phone in my pocket, so it probably just doesn't come up often enough for me to have noticed, so I can't confirm one way or the other.
Well, I found an answer to the Play System Updates "bug". We are not the only ones, road warrior! https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5google.com/2022/08/20/check-google-play-system-updates-pixel/amp/
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Well, I found an answer to the Play System Updates "bug". We are not the only ones, road warrior! https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5google.com/2022/08/20/check-google-play-system-updates-pixel/amp/
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Cool, thanks for sharing the news! I hadn't bothered checking manually in very many months, possibly since late last year or very early this year.
Now, on to the other stuff like no more ring sound over Bluetooth in my car, the screen not waking sometimes, terrible battery life, etc etc. Boy do I love this time of year when new the OS launches, screws up many phones and makes people trade them in for the next version. P7P here I come!
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Cool, thanks for sharing the news! I hadn't bothered checking manually in very many months, possibly since late last year or very early this year.
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Well, I found an answer to the Play System Updates "bug". We are not the only ones, road warrior! https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5google.com/2022/08/20/check-google-play-system-updates-pixel/amp/
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Google Play Store v31.9.20-21 is rolling out and will fix that Play System Updates "bug".
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Now, on to the other stuff like no more ring sound over Bluetooth in my car, the screen not waking sometimes, terrible battery life, etc etc. Boy do I love this time of year when new the OS launches, screws up many phones and makes people trade them in for the next version. P7P here I come!
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Here's another weird one.. apparently now I can't keep my phone on vibrate while in the car. For a test, I turned my ringer on and then tested it again.. low and behold, it rang through the speakers in my car. This is trash. I know Android enabled in-band Bluetooth audio years ago and I recall this same thing happening way back with my nexus 6p and each pixel I've had but this one. There was a setting in developer settings to turn that off which fixed it and allowed it to work correctly but with this phone, it worked out of the box so I never thought twice about it. I just checked the dev settings and it's nowhere to be found. I have no idea what A13 could have done to screw that up nor do I know if the dev setting even existed on this phone prior to A13. I just don't get it. I guess I could see if there's any updates to my car's multimedia system but I have an Audi and any software updates come from the dealer for a price. How dumb. I guess I'll be scouring the Audi forums for a fix on that.
Meh, the Google Play Store updates are irrelevant to me. So no worries there on my part, haha. But this phone's battery life has been rather questionable. I have, however, noticed that after being on the full A13 build for around a week or so and disabling 5G from the get-go that my battery now lasts MUCH longer. My phone does not seem to generate as much heat either - which is always a plus. But I also seem to have more phone/messaging reliability than I have had in the past with this device.
I am beginning to think that the modem and 5G has had the most to do with this phone's imperfections.
Also - for OP - but I have noticed that my phone often doesn't wake up with a single tap either - but only when the gyroscope stays mostly stationary for a longer period of time. When I pull the phone out of my pocket, it usually comes on with one tap. But if it has been sitting on a table or other mostly flat surface for a while, it takes two taps to wake the display.
Ultimately, I won't be getting the Pixel 7 Pro. I will, however, be getting the Pixel Fold which should launch at around the same time =).
I can't say too much about the google provided and infiltrated system images, since I only booted it on that image ONCE -- just long enough to flip the "allow OEM unlock" switch so I could flip it to AOSP and then GrapheneOS. But I will say that on GrapheneOS, the update from 12->13 has been pretty seamless. One fairly minor glitch with activating wifi hotspot that was fixed with yesterday's SECOND update, but aside from that, not a single one of the bugs mentioned in this thread.
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I can't say too much about the google provided and infiltrated system images, since I only booted it on that image ONCE -- just long enough to flip the "allow OEM unlock" switch so I could flip it to AOSP and then GrapheneOS. But I will say that on GrapheneOS, the update from 12->13 has been pretty seamless. One fairly minor glitch with activating wifi hotspot that was fixed with yesterday's SECOND update, but aside from that, not a single one of the bugs mentioned in this thread.
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This kills me. Why is it that a third party dev can release a stable build with little to no bugs but if bugs are found, a patch is pushed out right away to fix yet Google cannot seem to get it right. Furthermore, if they do fix bugs, they refuse to push them out-of-band. This isn't 2008 anymore, we shouldn't need custom ROMs to get the best performance out of our phones.
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This kills me. Why is it that a third party dev can release a stable build with little to no bugs but if bugs are found, a patch is pushed out right away to fix yet Google cannot seem to get it right. Furthermore, if they do fix bugs, they refuse to push them out-of-band. This isn't 2008 anymore, we shouldn't need custom ROMs to get the best performance out of our phones.
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Well, aside from the bugs issue, as time goes on, more and more you need something besides what it ships with in order to actually have security and privacy. Google has fallen a very long way from the openness and respect that they once promised. The final straw for me was when they started working with governments to include and share covid contact tracing functionality.
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Apparently the 4th complete wipe and OS flash was apparently the trick to fix the majority of my phone's issues. I did restore from my backup this time because the last time that I started from scratch, it made no difference. I figured if it's still going to be buggy, I may as well have all my info and settings correct. It's now been about 24 hours. See below for status of my issues.
1. Massive battery drain - fixed for the most part. Still have to restrict Samsung Health app but for the most part, it seems to be back to normal.
2. Screen not waking up when pulled from pocket or elsewhere that the proximity sensor activated and screen was off. - Fixed so far
3. Play system update button broken - already found this wasn't an A13 bug. I still haven't gotten the fixed update of playstore but before this latest wipe and OS flash, I sideloaded the latest version and it fixed it.
4. Connected to Bluetooth in car no longer plays ringers out loud. - Weird one as I think this is part A13 because Google baked in a new BT stack that's been in development since A11 called gabeldorsche https://www.androidpolice.com/android-gabeldorsche-bluetooth-stack/ and partly my infotainment system in my car. I am not on the current version of the car's infotainment but since my car is a '14 Audi, it doesn't have OTA updates.
5. Heating up during normal use - seems to be fixed
6. Warm while on the pixel stand and fully charged - haven't been able to observe this one bc last night, I put the phone on the stand and by morning it was at 72% and not charging. No clue if that's a new bug or if it was just not sitting on there just right. Didn't really look into it but we'll see what happens tonight.
So that seems to be the majority. Overall the phone doesn't feel "weird" anymore and most things I was having trouble with appear to be resolved. Sort of ridiculous that I had to wipe and reload the OS 4 times though.
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2. Screen not waking up when pulled from pocket or elsewhere that the proximity sensor activated and screen was off. - Fixed so far
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I actually had a similar issue with A12 -- when on a phone call, pull the phone away and it took forever to turn the screen back on. Seems to have been corrected with A13.
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I actually had a similar issue with A12 -- when on a phone call, pull the phone away and it took forever to turn the screen back on. Seems to have been corrected with A13.
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This one still may be around for me but perhaps not as severe as it was during the first 2 times I loaded 13. I just experienced it about an hour ago. Took phone out of my pocket to place on my desk at work and screen was black but the AOD did eventually come on by itself after about 10 long seconds. We'll see what happens.