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I'm seeing a lot of different threads regarding root pop up. I just want to know what's the easiest way to do it, while maintaining everything stock. Don't want clockwork or anything to interfere with OTA.
Also, is anyone having any weird issues after rooting? I want to keep this phone as close to the way Google intended as possible. In the past, I use to flash roms about once a day. Want to give that for stability.
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My GS3 is still 100% stock, I have not even installed the T-mobile pushed update yet, I keep postponing it. So I'm 100% ICS 4.0.4 stock out of the box. I've added a bunch of widgets and stuff like that, but I have not rooted.
I had been using an iPhone(s) for the last 4+ years, dabbling with the occasional Android device, until I got the GS3 from T-mobile, and getting 4G speeds is amazing, especially after being in EDGE LIMBO on the iPhone for so long.
So the core of my question is WHY ROOT. Rooting is NOT like Jailbreaking an iPhone, since it seems like I can pretty much do 99% of anything with the phone without rooting. To me, seems that rooting only offers the AdBlock feature and WiFi tether option, then the ability to flash roms - and it seems like Flashing roms on this device can introduce problems like loss of IMEI and I've seen some reports of 4G no longer working or slowing down from the stock speeds.
Forgive me, because I know iPhone chatter gets peoples blood boiling over here, but that's what I have to compare against, my experience with rooted android devices are pretty limited.
SO: Without making this message long and boring - What are the serious advantages to rooting? And is it worth it? And at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'm not a phone noob, just an android noob. I've had smart phones for A LONG TIME, all the way back to the Nokia Symbian phones...................
Some information if anyone cares, and just in case this info influences the information.
I'm in T-mobile USA. I've got the unlimited data/1st 2Gb at 4g plan.
Stock out of the box GS3 16gb model (32gb sdcard)
Primarily a Widnows user, but my MacBook air is dual bootcamped - but I use Windows 7 99% of the time
On my previous android phone (LG Thrill/optimus) which I rooted, the adblock thingy prevented me from viewing many of my emails which I do browse - like Newegg, Amazon, Groupon. They were all considered spam/ad's I guess?
I don't *THINK* having a Wifi hotspot would be something I'd ever use, but you never know.
My T-mobile plan was ancient until last year when I switched to a more modern plan that offered 4G instead of only t-zones, and I do not have the hotspot option - so I can't do hotspot without rooting (at least I think I can't)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of rooting, just wondering if there is any significant advantage? While I like the idea of flashing roms, most of the time I'm not a fan of beta testing stuff... like I heard CM10 was awesome, but apparently there were issues with the camera app not working 100% of the time........ that's not acceptable to me, especially since I have a new grandbaby and snap TONS of pictures now a days.
On another phone I had, which was a Samsung galaxy S 4g (small tiny t-mobile phone) and as I recall the LG thrill too, by modifying the build prop you could increase the hsdpa+ settings and get better data access at faster rates.......? Not sure if there is any way to get faster data speeds on the GS3?
Well, I guess that's enough for now............................. Any help would be appreciated.
I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).
With root u can control things like cpu speed, and voltage table (and if you have a custom kernel you can overclock)
You can also freeze apps you don't need, access files you normally wouldn't be able to like /etc/hosts to block ads.
You can also install some fun apps that require root like dsploit and droidsheep lol
Rooting opens up your phone to do a lot more.
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Aerowinder said:
I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).
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thanks for the info in Ur signature Hun, I found it very helpful
Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal.
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Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal
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Don't need root for either of those.
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Don't need root for either of those.
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Technically no.. but rooting usually comes hand in hand with those things.
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It gives you more options. Such as switching between touchwiz ROMs and CM10/AOSP/AOPK. Flashing custom kernels & radios for better performance/battery life.
So you can back up your stars in bad piggies. And delete stupid system apps.
***REMOVE BLOATWARE****....main reason I rooted ..and still stock LOL
To gain full control over the android device.
With everything else said above I'd like to add "the ability to install custom members apps that do more" and other apps in the app store that require root such as call blockers which I love.
Not really. I've been back and forth between stock and pretty much every rom. Currently I got tired of f'ing with my phone and I'm on stock and I plan to stay there until CM10 is stable and has better battery life.
When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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maxcaos said:
When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.
kitsunisan said:
You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.
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One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?
psykhotic said:
One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?
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Really.
Well i rooted mine because I wanted to disable a few bloatware, and also some apps in market will not fully function without root. I'm not much of a flashaholic, I've stayed with just a rooted stock..
I'm just sayin!
Flashing wicked v6 is worth rooting alone. Also for better phone performance as said earlier. But devices are finally getting good enough where you dont need to root necessarily. This is the first phone Ive had in a while where I didnt root immediately because it was very nice stock.
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I have a weird problem with my N2. Overall it works great, battery is incredible, 3D games run smoothly, but the user interface is very choppy at times. Switching between home screens is great, no matter how fast I do it it's always buttery smooth, but opening an icons folder is choppy - I can definitely see the difference when tapping a folder with one row of icons and one with more rows. Also, if I'm downloading something, than it gets really choppy. Opening and closing apps is often choppy, yet in between that the apps work great.
If I'm watching a video and then tap the button to make the video smaller, first it disappears completely and then it flies out from the bottom right to the top. I did 2-3 factory resets, and everything is fluid as it should be after that, but the moment I start installing my apps, it becomes choppy. I don't use suspicious apps, and most are from recognized developers. The phone's rooted using the All in one toolkit, and Triangle Away was applied. Stock ROM is still on it. Memory usage is around 800Mb-1.2Gb. Battery saving is off. Sometimes I get FC's on TouchWiz.
It's just kinda weird, at times I feel like I'm running a low end device. It's responsive, but not fluid. I had Avast mobile on it and uninstalling that made it a lot better, but it's still not as fluid as the first day. Any ideas? TouchWiz problem or a bad app?
Give nova launcher a try. It's the best launcher I have ever used.
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I tried Go launcher and it was laggy as hell. I have no idea what's causing this, but it's not good.
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Hello, I'm sorry you're having issues. But might I ask that you flash one more time a completely stock ROM with NONE of your apps. Without rooting, install your apps and see if it's an OEM app from the Play Store. If that's not the case, then it's something you're doing on the side (an app you've installed while rooted or something that is acting up that has powerful user privileges).
See if that helps.
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Hello, I'm sorry you're having issues. But might I ask that you flash one more time a completely stock ROM with NONE of your apps. Without rooting, install your apps and see if it's an OEM app from the Play Store. If that's not the case, then it's something you're doing on the side (an app you've installed while rooted or something that is acting up that has powerful user privileges).
See if that helps.
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Hmm, can you be a bit specific about that? I understand what you're saying, except the "without rooting" part. The phone is already rooted, and with stock ROM - I rooted it, applied Triangle away and Root Exploit fix and reflashed stock recovery. No custom ROM has been flashed.
Now you say to flash stock ROM without rooting. That would mean I would have to unroot it now. Or what?
Something strange is definitely afoot - very demanding 3D games run buttery smooth, yet lightweight apps are laggy as hell - for instance, scrolling through list of POIs in Navfree app is painfully slow.
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Hmm, can you be a bit specific about that? I understand what you're saying, except the "without rooting" part. The phone is already rooted, and with stock ROM - I rooted it, applied Triangle away and Root Exploit fix and reflashed stock recovery. No custom ROM has been flashed.
Now you say to flash stock ROM without rooting. That would mean I would have to unroot it now. Or what?
Something strange is definitely afoot - very demanding 3D games run buttery smooth, yet lightweight apps are laggy as hell - for instance, scrolling through list of POIs in Navfree app is painfully slow.
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Yeah, if you reset your device to factory you'll lose ROOT. Try to use it without rooting your device. Completely stock. Put some samsung apps in a folder and see if it's still choppy... You'll have two possibilites.
If it is still choppy, then you have a problem with the ROM. Maybe you should try another one.
If it is smooth, then proceed to installing your apps (still without rooting your device) and then check to see if it's still smooth. If it isn't smooth after installing your apps then you have an app that's conflicting with your OS. If it is smooth then proceed to rooting. If you root and there is a problem, then something with the rooting process went wrong and it changed something or an app that you have is doing something strange with your OS. You could also try it the other way around. Flash again, root first thing, try the folders and see if that works. See what's causing the problem.
I know it's a long boring process, but ... it must be done! Another option is try a new ROM in general. Hope I've made myself clear this time take care & good luck!
Merry Xmas!
I unrooted it and am now completely stock (with the device status still being modified). Just stock apps are on the phone and it seems to be working ok. WIll see wha happens after installing some apps.
EDIT: I am now downloading updates for stock apps, and am definitely seeing some jerkiness when opening and closing apps, mainly Google apps.
Perhaps it really is the firmware that's causing the issue. My device came with N7100XXALIE N7100BUALI7 VFGALIA stock firmware, which is still on it, yet the only available stock firmware for my country and carrier is N7100XXALIJ N7100VFGALIC, and everyone seems to be using that one.
Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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rooting is fine at this point. However, as twrp causes an all but irreparable error, you might want to wait for a reliable recovery before installing any modded roms.
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AGx-07_162 said:
Here is a delimma I haven't had since I first bought my G1 (before root was even discovered): Should I root this device?
I'm looking for genuine opinions here. I've owned a G1, MT4G, Galaxy S3, and now the Note 3 and out of all of them, the Note 3 is the only one where I actually have no intention of installing Stock Android (as I'd lose all the features that made me want the Note to begin with). On those older devices, I wanted to OC to speed up the devices or use them for tetheing. TouchWiz on the GS3 annoyed the hell out of me as it seemed unnecessary, it's at least justified on the Note. But now I don't need them for tethering and I don't need to overclock this device, despite the fact that I want to anyway and I don't intend on installing a Stock ROM. What incentives are there to rooting now?
Right now all I can think of is GMD. I'm looking for someone to re-inspire me to root again.
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The main reason I rooted last night was to install Ad Block, Titanium Backup to freeze some bloat and run Chainfire's region lock removal. I agree with you though, I bought the Note for the SPen features so an AOSP rom would take that away. There is 1 custom ROM already that retains TouchWiz and SPen features that I am debating on trying. I'm still on the fence of installing a custom rom since its very early into development for the device.
I would say rooting imho is mandatory. It doesn't matter how big he screen is Samsung always makes the stuff on it way to large for my use. I have to modify the DPI and use Xposed to remove many of the status bar icons or I would never be able to have enough room on the status bar and notification pull down. I also uninstall some of the bloat, enable call recording, use isis, and more. I don't run a custom rom I just run a DeOdexed stock rom and do everything I need manually for now.
I'm not going to "convince" anyone per say, but just keep following the forums until something forces you to root again. I for one missed Titanium Backup since it can backup everything, I've tried Helium, but for some reason it just wouldn't backup ES File Explorer and Beautiful Widgets on my S4. These are just normal apps and I don't know why it wouldn't work. Also, removing bloat and adding more apps for the Pen Window feature.
I'll be rooting once my 14 days are passed and start flashing again once the recovery's restore feature is working properly again. I don't root to overclock, I root so I can customize my phone even more and add features which wasn't added for stock. Also, I miss the auto GPS on/off by Secure Settings. It requires root and I can't use it just yet!
I still say root, there's a lot of things you can only do with root even on stock. You can block ads, adjust dpi, delete bloat, and manage files better. You can also use the command line for a lot more things when rooted. You can also install the xposed framework to get some of the unofficial ROM benefits on the stock ROM like per-app DPI, something very useful on a high resolution, big screen like Notes have.
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I am planning on rooting for the sole purpose of restoring my FF3 saved game. I lost a saved game once when my SGS3 bricked (SDS) and am just about where I was when I lost that one.
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I still say root, there's a lot of things you can only do with root even on stock. You can block ads, adjust dpi, delete bloat, and manage files better. You can also use the command line for a lot more things when rooted. You can also install the xposed framework to get some of the unofficial ROM benefits on the stock ROM like per-app DPI, something very useful on a high resolution, big screen like Notes have.
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I rooted for the sole purpose of installing AdAway. The stock ROM is so awesome I really don't see me wanting a custom one. I love this beast.
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Root is definitely mandatory for me. I can install the custom font that I use, get rid of ads (which is 100% worth it for me), I can delete apps I don't want, not just freeze them, and customize the device how I want.
I root because I want to own my device.. it's mine I m it's administrator.. not my provider .. not Samsung. . ME..
With that said Samsung s stock roms are solid just like aosp is.. The true need for root has diminished a lot in last 12 months .. I root because I can.. I completely understand there is no real need for it but to deny warranty on those who root is plain wrong... just my 2 cents
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DAGr8 said:
I root because I want to own my device.. it's mine I m it's administrator.. not my provider .. not Samsung. . ME..
With that said Samsung s stock roms are solid just like aosp is.. The true need for root has diminished a lot in last 12 months .. I root because I can.. I completely understand there is no real need for it but to deny warranty on those who root is plain wrong... just my 2 cents
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Agreed. I root to make it 100% mines! I also do it to under clock a step... Not much into OC'ing anymore. This will probably be the first ROM I stay close to stock with minus some of those extra mods and tweaks that separates my Note 3 from the average consumer...
Rooting can let you easily backup and restore application data.
I root to enable all apps in multi window. So i can watch mnf and candy crush
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I personally like the idea of rooting. I'm spending my own hard earned money on this mobile device and I should be able to do what the hell I want with it. I will also root to get rid of Carrier IQ and when I am tired of TouchWiz.
you should only root under the following conditions.
1. check your personality that you are not a person who rush things!
2. do 10 hour reading about rooting, how to root on your device, its benefits, and its drawback
3. after rooting, you should spend at least 1 hour reading about the rom/mod you want to install
4. optional. have a device warranty with cell provider. they will always change a soft brick phone with you telling them it just died.
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I would say rooting imho is mandatory. It doesn't matter how big he screen is Samsung always makes the stuff on it way to large for my use. I have to modify the DPI and use Xposed to remove many of the status bar icons or I would never be able to have enough room on the status bar and notification pull down. I also uninstall some of the bloat, enable call recording, use isis, and more. I don't run a custom rom I just run a DeOdexed stock rom and do everything I need manually for now.
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You wouldn't happen to know if there is a deodexed stock rom out there for the SM-N900W8, would you?
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You wouldn't happen to know if there is a deodexed stock rom out there for the SM-N900W8, would you?
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Sorry but I don't know anything about that model.
When I got my note, I took it home, opened the box, insert battery, hit the three keys to download mode, plug phone into my pc and Odin root, reboot and bam first time using my note.
I have rooted and loaded custom ROMs on many of my phones.
I don't know why but for some reason I am bit hesitant on rooting my G3.
I see now there is a quick and easy script to root even the Lollipop 5.01 OTA 850 so I am tempted to do this.
My question is if I don't want to load a custom ROM will the debloating and removal of carrier IQ make a noticeable difference to performance or just give a warm cuddly feeling that these are now gone?
I know there is tweakbox but it appears that besides some nice customizing that can be done there is not much on he performance side of things?
I am finding 5.01 a little laggy and it would be nice to get the phone running smoothly.
Thanks.
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I have rooted and loaded custom ROMs on many of my phones.
I don't know why but for some reason I am bit hesitant on rooting my G3.
I see now there is a quick and easy script to root even the Lollipop 5.01 OTA 850 so I am tempted to do this.
My question is if I don't want to load a custom ROM will the debloating and removal of carrier IQ make a noticeable difference to performance or just give a warm cuddly feeling that these are now gone?
I know there is tweakbox but it appears that besides some nice customizing that can be done there is not much on he performance side of things?
I am finding 5.01 a little laggy and it would be nice to get the phone running smoothly.
Thanks.
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Hi @samsat,
Sharing my thoughts:
1. As you have experience in rooting many of your phones, is "loading of custom ROMs" your only reason for rooting? I guess that would be the best starting point/question that you will need to ask (and answer). In my case, I go with the principle of "if you don't need it, then don't do it".
2. I want to point out though that "need" and "want" are two different things ("need" is a "must have" and "want" is a "nice-to-have"). So in your case, did you root your previous phones as a necessity? I have friends who never rooted their phones and are happy with it...some users are either not "tinkerers" (if there is such a term) or never use apps that require root.
3. Some users, on the other hand, need to root (i.e. whether they like it or not, they have to do it) because some apps do require root.
I can't comment on "carrier IQ" as I am not from the US, sorry.
Thanks for the reply.
I have no plans just yet to load a different ROM, main problem is that there appears to a camera problem with other ROMS that has not been resolved.
My main reason would be rooting in order to do things that would improve performance using the stock ROM.
I also believe in not doing this if it's not needed.
Not sure if this will help, I have rooted for a few reasons
1. Dpi to 530
2. Adaway / hosts access
3. Faster GPS
4. Titanium backup
5. Debloat
6. Greenify
Still on bumped stock with no intention of custom rom - it's liquidy enough. Customised my s3 to within an inch of its life, and couldn't be bothered.
Happy with the g3
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Those are things that having root access will allow you to do.
My question is did you notice a difference in performance (not just faster GPS) before and after you did this?
Oh and by the way I love the username! Even got it with my soutpiel Afrikaans!
+1 on Titanium Backup and Greenify
Will rooting affect the laser camera or only the installing of ROMS lose laser capability?
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Will rooting affect the laser camera or only the installing of ROMS lose laser capability?
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Installing of Non-Stock ROMs loses the performance in Camera Functionality
Thanks for the answer. But I was referring to root more. Sorry..perhaps not worded correctly. Will root lose the laser?
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Thanks for the reply.
I have no plans just yet to load a different ROM, main problem is that there appears to a camera problem with other ROMS that has not been resolved.
My main reason would be rooting in order to do things that would improve performance using the stock ROM.
I also believe in not doing this if it's not needed.
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It's not needed then. There isn't a mass amount running or affecting general performance to get rid of.
Question is, why would you not want to do it for all the other reasons posted above. IMO, it's so easy to do, you'd be daft not to.
Thanks Ryarni.
That's the reply I was looking for. At the moment, my only reason to root would be as a path to improve performance which can be a bit laggy at times.
The other reasons above are so that one can run other apps. that require root.
I have no need for those apps. right now but it's good to know root is there should I need them.
I have had a bunch of G3's go bad on me requiring replacement under warranty. I want to give the latest replacement some time to settle in before I start fiddling!
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Thanks for the answer. But I was referring to root more. Sorry..perhaps not worded correctly. Will root lose the laser?
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Not if you root using an 'LG STOCK' ROM.