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Overclocking higher

Any word yet on a higher clock speed than 1.15? Is it a stability problem? I sure thought this processor would atleast overclock to something like 1.3
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Considering the Moto Droid's 550mhz OMAP chip was over clocked to more than twice its speed to 1.2ghz you'd think our phone could easily handle 1.5mhz or more but Snapdragon chips aren't looking capable of such feat. Personally I'm not impressed with our chip's performance when compared with OMAP or Humming Bird chips. Its one reason I'm considering the DX or Samsung Galaxy S (Fascinate).
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I agree man. I'm all about the dx as long as it can can be rooted to use custom roms, if not ill wait for fascinate. Kinda sucks when my buddy with his droid is running way faster than me hhaha, I'm getting 11 on linpack, he's around 19 and 20.
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I saved an old kernel released the day after everything got rooted that's 1228. Its very unstable, i can run a good linpack, but my battery drains FAST plus it heats up rapidly. Give things time, it will speed up
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I also have a droid and one thing i will say is that yes it blows my DInc away on linpack and quadrant but honestly doesn't feel anywhere near as fast. To me all of those benchmarks don't relate to real world use, well, maybe quadrant, and with tht said my only dissapointment in this phone is lack of a better GPU
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I honestly don't think I'll ever buy another phone with a Qualcomm chip. They peddled the same 400mhz and 528mhz MSM7xxx chips for years and worked on the "next big thing" and on paper it sounded great but by the time they released it Texas Instrument and Samsung had already surpassed them.
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hexto said:
I honestly don't think I'll ever buy another phone with a Qualcomm chip. They peddled the same 400mhz and 528mhz MSM7xxx chips for years and worked on the "next big thing" and on paper it sounded great but by the time they released it Texas Instrument and Samsung had already surpassed them.
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+1 on that! I'm waiting for motorola's dual-core phone, Texas Instrument Chip this year with a front facing camera!

or you could look at this way.....
celerons can be overclocked way more than regular pentium's, but celerons are not superior.

You are not going to get very many Inc's if any to hit 1.3. The newer Snapdragon with a smaller die will do it, but not ours.
I have overclocked a lot of cpu's but this phone is the last thing I want to worry about clocking up. The gain is so minute that it's simply not worth the trouble/effort and it's not worth damaging the phone. I'd rather put energy into testing roms/themes etc. If anything I'd rather underclock it a bit.

[Q] Qualcomm question..

First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.

Wait until our geniuses figure out root then you can happily run it a 1 Ghz+. If you look at the spec scheets for the MSM7230 then you will see it's rated for speeds 800-1000. Higher speeds=lower battery life, so the reasons for having it clocked lower are very practical. My G2 can average 1600-1650 on quadrant, so I don't think it's that bad.

azzeh3 said:
First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.
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MHz is a misleading statistic to judge performance by. A 1GHz processor is not guaranteed to be faster than an 800MHz one. What is always true, though, is that a given processor running at 1GHz will take more energy than the same processor running at 800MHz. Because these new processors are so fast, even at 800MHz, they are competitive or even faster than any other phone on the market today. However by clocking them a bit slower, they also have quite serviceable battery life.
In daily use, it is unlikely that you would notice much difference between 800MHz and 1GHz with this cpu. They are both plenty fast, and most of the time the CPU will be waiting for you, not the other way around. However if it were clocked at 1GHz, you would immediately see a shorter battery life, so to my mind the sacrifice is well worth it.
As far as any fears that this might be a "low end phone", make no mistake, this is the premiere Android phone on the market right now. The Droid 2 may have a higher profile, but it is slower, has a slower network, and uses a non-standard GUI (not to mention a whole lot more expensive when you factor in the price of the service). No phone will have every possible feature that people want, but as far as raw capabilities go, there is no better phone on the market today as far as I can see.

Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?

azzeh3 said:
Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?
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RAM is a far bigger determiner of performance on a day-to-day basis than processor speed, at least to a point. You could have a 10GHz computer, but if you only had 64k of RAM it would crawl along miserably slow.
In either case, there is a point of diminishing returns, though as applications become more demanding that point gets higher and higher. I remember selling Mac's back in the early-mid 90's and telling eople, don't worry, 16Megs of RAM (a huge amount back then when the standard was 4MB) would handle anything they could throw at it. Little did I know that just 15 years later I would have 500x that much in my desktop and 32x as much in my cell phone!
I am by no means a Andoid systems expert, but from what I have read there is not much benefit of having more than 512MB of RAM with the current versions of the Android OS. I would have preferred that they included 1GB of RAM just for a future growth path, but I can understand why they didn't. Each of these features costs money, so you have to draw the line someplace, you can't included every feature people may ask for in every phone.

Your right lol How will the big companies make any money if they give you everything you wanted....
I've never kept a phone for more than 8 months because of updated stats but lately there is a boom in technology so its going to be more like 4 months now hahaha

[Q] Performance Profiles

Hi there Forum-goers.
I did do a search as I've seen no mention of it in reviews, but does the HTC One X have performance profiles like the Transformer Prime?
For example, mine has (roughly):
Power Save
One core ~1GHz, the rest off, companion core used when possible.
Balanced
Highest frequency of 1.2GHz
Performance
Four cores at 1.3GHz or one at 1.4GHz.
And obviously these have a large effect on how long I can use it, how long it lasts on standby etc.
So did HTC implement a similar set of profiles or did they miss this opportunity?

No profiles this is done automaticly, Battery under 30% 4 cores max at 1ghz, Above 30% 1 core at 1.5 or 4 cores at 1.3 ghz, no/little tasks companion core etc.

hmm im wondering would it be possible to get all 4 cores running at 1.5ghz some overclocking on tegra 3 has been done on the prime though its going to be very device specific.

Mafiatounes said:
No profiles this is done automaticly, Battery under 30% 4 cores max at 1ghz, Above 30% 1 core at 1.5 or 4 cores at 1.3 ghz, no/little tasks companion core etc.
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That seems mildly ridiculous. I bet the phone would last a whole lot longer if user changeable profiles were there.
I'm kinda glad I hung back now, I got bit with "early adopter syndrome" on the TP, not doing it with this either... but I don't wanna stop using HTC now :/ Maybe they'll release an S4 based version of the X after all in the UK.

WraithPriest said:
That seems mildly ridiculous. I bet the phone would last a whole lot longer if user changeable profiles were there.
I'm kinda glad I hung back now, I got bit with "early adopter syndrome" on the TP, not doing it with this either... but I don't wanna stop using HTC now :/ Maybe they'll release an S4 based version of the X after all in the UK.
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With all due respect, we're talking about two different companies here. HTC is one of the largest android based phone manufacturers. Asus just started making tablets last year with the tf 101. I was not happy with transformer prime myself,(went through 3 of them) but just because this phone has the Tegra 3, does not make it have the problems of the transformer prime.
If you're worried about battery life, I got about 24 hours of life out of my One X battery before It was too low and had to charge. This is after moderate use of the phone throughout the day and night.

WraithPriest said:
That seems mildly ridiculous. I bet the phone would last a whole lot longer if user changeable profiles were there.
I'm kinda glad I hung back now, I got bit with "early adopter syndrome" on the TP, not doing it with this either... but I don't wanna stop using HTC now :/ Maybe they'll release an S4 based version of the X after all in the UK.
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Why do you think that? The S4 is build on a different architecture and works in a different way. The 4 cores of the Tegra 3 don't work if you don't need them the simple tasks are done by the 5th (more energy efficient) core, either way everything is working automaticly on demand. On standby the One X preserves the battery way better than my Galaxy Note. And it is known that there will be an update that will further optimise battery life on the One X.
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420kushking said:
With all due respect, we're talking about two different companies here. HTC is one of the largest android based phone manufacturers. Asus just started making tablets last year with the tf 101. I was not happy with transformer prime myself,(went through 3 of them) but just because this phone has the Tegra 3, does not make it have the problems of the transformer prime.
If you're worried about battery life, I got about 24 hours of life out of my One X battery before It was too low and had to charge. This is after moderate use of the phone throughout the day and night.
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They may be different manufacturers, but if the T3 in the OX is running in the equivalent of Performance mode all the way down to 30% battery, it's no surprise that people aren't getting brilliant life so far.
I love the Prime, but I am sending it back next week due to issues (camera only works if you squeeze by the lens, screws in keyboard dock have pulled loose, bright spot on screen)
I really want the HOX, even more so since trying one last week, that's why I'm asking questions about stuff that bother me, my current phone is a Desire HD, previous was a Hero, before that was an MDA Mail (HTC S620), I convinced my mum to have a Hero, she then upgraded to the Sensation, my Dad had the MDA Compact III (HTC Artemis 110), currently has the HTC Touch Diamond 2...
Yes, we sure do love our HTCs haha.

overclock 1.6ghz

anyone got this overclocked

mox123 said:
anyone got this overclocked
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And instantly overheated? :cyclops:

Yes .
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Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
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treebill said:
Gpu overclock would be more useful than CPU.
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ok gpu overclock then?

I would overclock my HOX...in a block of ice. Or...well, in real life i dont want to overclock it because it would smoke out in my hand
Overheating is a big problem even without overclocking, imagine it running on 1,6ghz...
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Can't really see why you would want to overclock the One X, the phone is blazing fast anyway, 4 cores at 1.5 is enough..
But like everybody else said, the phone would probably burn up..

I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...

Illux said:
I wouldnt overclock my device - at least not at the stage we reached now.
Why?
a) As long as there is no way to lower the voltage this might toast your device - its a unibody, keep that in mind!
b) 100 MHZ more would have literally no effect - its a 6 GHZ device, even if you boost it up to 6,4 - you wont notice, it will just drain your battery.
6 GHZ is WAY enough...this is smartphone...I mean...seriously...its got more power than my 4 years old 1K €uro notebook...
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well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.

jacobgong said:
well first of all you can't just multiply the frequency by the number of cores. I'd much prefer an actual 6Ghz single core processor over 4x1.5Ghz because it won't have any compatibility and efficiency issues. Assuming they are of the same architecture and power usage of course.
Also the ARM low power SOCs probably don't have comparable number of commands per clock cycle as an x86 high performance CPU, even if it's 4 years old.
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i agree.. when the multi-core CPUs first came out intel said doubling the core number would give as 47% boost in total performance (not x2 like apple says as they do not know it) lets assume that to be %50 to make the math a little bit easier..
so basically we can make the math here as; 4 cores at 1.2Ghz (when the all 4 active the clock is 1.2Ghz) gives us 1.2 x 3/2 x 3/2= 2.7 Ghz single core performance.. this value for SGS3 is; 1.4 x 3/2 x 3/2= 3.15Ghz
and here we can say dual core at (X) Ghz gives us (X) x 3/2=2.7 thus the (X) = 1.8 Ghz.. so, if you overclock any arm9 based Dual CPU to 1.8 Ghz you get the same performance "on paper".. if you want to catch up with SGS3 we need to OC it to 2.1 Ghz which is impossible at the moment i guess..
what makes the difference here is the lower loads or multiple loads on the CPU.. corecontrol users probably would have noticed; sometimes when the all 4 core are active the clock is only 480 or 640 Mhz (even 320 sometimes if i remember correctly) .. the same amount of load could be taken care of by a dual core at about 720 or 960Mhz.. but here the quad core system stays cooler with a little less energy consumed (or wasted) (as long as all the cores are in one uni-body structure, putting 2 or 4 single cores phsically together is not the case for our smartphones) this is how apple made sure about the smoothness of the ipad 2, new ipad and the iphone 4s.. they used lower clocked 2 power vr 543 GPUs.. when the load is little they can clock down to very low speeds and share the load..
and also you can always find an emtpy core waiting for new task when the others are busy..
so, long story for short; if we were dealing with a little amount but hard processes, having a single core at 2.7Ghz would be good since the quad core design would not cut one task into 4 pieces... as long as we were not thinking about the battery life and the heat.. but since we are dealing with lots of tasks which all could be handled by 1.2Ghz power having 4 cores is better for battery saving and having an empty core for a new task to run parallel with the other running tasks in the background..

It is OC out of the box I think Nvidia OC them for us and it's already pushing itself at the very edge of what is possible for it to do based on temperature, I seem to remember Hamdir saying something along those lines once upon a time...
Why bother to OC it's fast enough as it is.
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only faux kernel betas allow OC
big warning OC is bad for the HOX given the thermal envelope
you are risking both you battery and processor if you OC
i know you are used to OC from other devices but those had headroom, it is not the case this time, T3 is operating at its max thermal capabilities on the HOX
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hamdir said:
the snapdragon 2 on the Arc had a lot of headroom
the chipset is rated @ 1.5ghz stable!
not the case with T3 its milking the very maximum of the 40nm process
in other words Nvidia is OCing its T3 out of box because their chips are designed to survive massive amount of heat (sadly it doesnt mean the battery or other components would survive)
it is already Overclocked lol
sometimes you have to listen to the "science" of it and surrender
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HTC One X has 5 cores?

I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing

Yes. The phone has a 1.5 GHz quad core processor. It also has a single companion core which it offloads to for low power. Usually when deep sleeping
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mr1029x said:
I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing
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Yes, the hox has 5 cores. The last one is a low power core. It is running only when performance is not needed and when the other cores are disable. His goal is saving power.

mr1029x said:
I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing
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As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.

FYI the core swithing thingly is hardware control rather than software, less prone to programming mistakes..

Yod-b said:
As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.
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I think the ninja core is what accounts for the INSANE standby time HOX can have.

Yod-b said:
As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.
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Yeah I think it's quite useful when the HOX is in standby mode or opening small applications. If there are some how the developers can active this core as well as the other 4 in gaming than the game will be a little bit more smoother. Am I right?

nVidia officially call it a '4+1' processor

We've got two clusters in the Tegra 3 SoC.
One is the "G" Cluster, containing 4 cores, and the other one is the "LP" Cluster, containing one core, called "Companion Core" (or also, someone likes calling it "Ninja Core", fugly and inappropriate IMHO).
The cluster switching is not made by hardware, but by software.... if you don't believe that, go watch into the kernel source
...oh and...yeah, nVidia calls it "4-PLUS-1 architecture".
@mr1029x
Absolutely not: you won't have any improvement by activating the LP core for normal operation.
@death__machine
Did you know that the companion core is practically the same of the other cores in the G cluster?
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kholk said:
We've got two clusters in the Tegra 3 SoC.
One is the "G" Cluster, containing 4 cores, and the other one is the "LP" Cluster, containing one core, called "Companion Core" (or also, someone likes calling it "Ninja Core", fugly and inappropriate IMHO).
The cluster switching is not made by hardware, but by software.... if you don't believe that, go watch into the kernel source
...oh and...yeah, nVidia calls it "4-PLUS-1 architecture".
@mr1029x
Absolutely not: you won't have any improvement by activating the LP core for normal operation.
@death__machine
Did you know that the companion core is practically the same of the other cores in the G cluster?
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By practically the same, do you mean the companion* core is underclocked or undervolted (software lock)by nvidia?
If thats the case, its similar to how ATI & Nvidia used to reduce the the performance or even pipelines of their gfx cards via software and we could just flash another fw and unlock it.

HEUREKA :cyclops: