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[Q] 2.5ghz Overclock? YES PLEASE!

I bet everyone has heard of the droid 2 and X being overclocked to crazy speeds right? Well... how come the Incredible hasn't reached those speeds?!?! Im sure some awesome dev could probably achieve this! There are many Inc owners who would like... scratch that... LOVE this speed increase, and im sure they wouldn't mind donating to the truly amazing dev who does this. Now the question is... whose willing to do it?
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The problem is that our phones can't handle those speeds mine cant handle anything over 1.113
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Gahh Its Lee said:
The problem is that our phones can't handle those speeds mine cant handle anything over 1.113
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That doesn't mean we can't try! Lol
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You could probably achieve this. Except you'd be buying another phone after your incredible spontaneously combusts from this kind of overclocking. Motorola phones use a different line of processors, OMAP from Texas Instruments rather than the Snapdragons.

then why with D2 or X's is that possible?

Because the Droid 2 and X use completely different processors made by completely different companies. We have a Qualcomm Snapdragon they have Texas Instruments OMAP.

No, see. Those speeds are fake. There's no way a mobile processor with today's technology could handle speeds of 2GHz or higher. 1.6Ghz is the highest I've seen on the X/2, and it wasn't very stable. That's why these "overclock apps" for the Droid X/2 only have options for 1.4GHz max.

Fake... plain and simple... you can't even overclock a PC processor 1.5ghz above its stock speed without some serious cooling. You really believe that a phone, with no fan/water/cooling of any kind can do it?

I am not a dev but my first degree was in engineering 20years ago. So when I say that its extremely unlikely that any of the massive OC stories are true I am talking from knowledge of engineering processes. 30-40% OC seems to be in the realm of reality. Beyond that, you enter the land of the bovine excrement.
First of all, as an engineer you simply do not design these chips with that much OC'ing being possible. Up to 40% OC seems possible - I would actually predict that some time in the near future we will be able to run the chips in the inc at 1.3 - stable. Expecting anything more is silly. If it was possible to run them at those speeds, guess what, they would have released them as 1.5 or 2 GHz chips.
Secondly, even if you were to temporarily be able to run them at substantially higher frequencies than what we can see them get to right now, they would be extremely unstable and would run hot very quickly. Thats too big a risk to take. In the best case scenario, you will just have a bricked device - replacing which will cost you $500-600. In the worst case, you will burn your hand and/or your face.
I would recommend that the OP volunteers his money, device(s), body and brains towards finding just how far we can OC an incredible. In the meantime I am happy to sit on the sidelines and implement solutions which are more logical and less quixotic.

wow LOL sounds cool to me just wondering, thank you!

IMO, Over clocking is over rated. You end up with reboots, crashes, and an unreliable phone.
I see a lot of people more concerned with quadrant scores than good battery life. Some of them expect both. I for one think the incredible is fast enough already, especially coming from a storm 1.
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To be honest i do notice a little bit of a speedup when I had mine overclocked to 1.15. But of course less battery life is a trade off with that. I am running the newest HTC stock kernel, no OC, and am very happy with battery life and speed. The phone would absolutely FLY with an OC of 1.5ghz or higher. But as someone said, if it was made to do that, they would have just put a 1.5ghz chip in there to begin with.

G2 gets 3000 on Quadrant?!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839687
How can we get a kernel to compare to this?! Holy hell!

thats in-freaking-sane that thing isn't made to run those speeds can't wait for the first my G2 caught fire stories because of this i mean come on 1.9 ghz and no real cooling basically means i'm cooking my processor

Brutus2TheMax said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839687
How can we get a kernel to compare to this?! Holy hell!
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I got 2800 on my EVO using CM6.1 RC1 with snap7.6 turbo kernel and thats running at 1.2 GHz. There is a new Snap kernel coming out too (Snap9). Quadrant should be close to or at 3000 with that new kernel.

1.9GHz is soooooooooo fast holy titties

how in the world do you overclock a cpu 225%?

clock speed means nothing, its just a number.
my x2 athlon at 3.2ghz wont compare to a current 2ghz, im happy for them they were able to clock it that high but benchmarks will show real world results
I couldnt be happier with my evo regardless of what others can do with their phones

Brutus2TheMax said:
1.9GHz is soooooooooo fast holy titties
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I was informed at the store that the G2 is a next generation Snapdragon than what the EVO has and thus can be mad overclocked. However to achieve those speeds I promise they aren't running stock voltages. And yeah, they are close to cooking that baby.
Amazing that Amazon had the G2 for FREE with new service the other day.
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It is easy to FaKE the scores lol!!!! Anyways it just a number and really dont mean much. I yet to really see a video of these number being legitament!!!

Fly like a G2

Holy BALLS. They OC'd that thing a whole 1.1Ghz... That's insane. I would NOT want to push that processor that hard though. That's reducing the life of the phone by a very significant amount, especially considering how these phones have such crap heat dissipation.

cnstarz said:
how in the world do you overclock a cpu 225%?
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How, because the G2 is already underclocked down from 1.2GHz for battery saving reasons. Really only a 50% increase, which is still substantial as the EVO only overclocks 20%. You can't actually run it that high though, you can run it at around 1.45GHz, so its back at that 20%.
Also, my friend's HD2 hits 3500 in quadrant on the DesireHD rom. It hits 2000 underclocked at 500 MHz. He is running android off a class 6 card, but thats still some crazy scores. So our phones can hit that too if someone much smarter than me has some free time.

Anyone worried about a quadcore Sprint phone?

I am a little afraid that it will take Sprint a little too long to jump on the quadcore band waggon. As it did the dual core. Am I just being paranoid?
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Why would you need a quad core phone? ive had a single core HTC Evo for roughly two years now, no complaints, I don't think battery technology is keeping up to speed with processor advances that's my only real reason.

Well first of all its not that I NEED one, but I want one. Years ago people would have thought a 1gz phone would be crazy. So thanks for the input, but let's stay on topic. I would just like to have a little info on wether or not, Sprint will be getting a Quadcore by end of year next year.
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fair enough, was not trying to drag it off-topic but just pointing out the battery life issue as a reason why they may be holding off in the adoption of duel-core and possibly quad core phones.

That's a yea and no. You'll see that the multiple cores gives the phone better battery life due to the fact that the processor can manage processes better giving it better battery. On the flip side, were not perfecting the processors. Were simply flying by through dual cores and quad cores. We were on single cores for about 6 months. Dual cores about 9 and then quad cores were developed. So the developers of these processors need to take more time to perfect the processors, in order to recieve better battery life, less hiccups, more consistency.
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The new quad-core tablet, Asus Transformer Prime, has a battery life of 12 hours. This is because it actually has 5 cores. The 5th core is to update small applications with the tablet off so it doesn't have to power up the quad-core and waste battery power. There are probably other factors, but that is one of the main reasons why the battery life id really good on that tablet.

Galaxy nexus faster than galaxy s2 & sony xperia s?

I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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ray3andrei said:
I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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gs2 is surely faster on graphics (it has a more advanced gpu, though clocked slower), but it has less screen resolution.
on the cpu side they should be pretty equivalent.
i don't know about the xperia.

In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.

I wouldn't trust that much on benchmarks.
What matters is how polished the stock roms are for each device.
I love how the nexus keep running smooth even after installing a ton of apps, never experienced the same with other devices.

While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.

biffsmash said:
In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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Was it significantly faster in getting updates?

Benchmarks are cool in a sense, but I've started ignoring them. My GNex has been really fast, even with Window and Transition Animations. There are exceptions. I ABUSE my Android devices with heat (nature of my work environment). When it gets hot, it does lag. At the same time, the CPU is also scaling itself back. When I get the rare lock'n'reboot it's pretty much always due to heat. Typically, flinging through settings, menus, apps, etc is really fast. Right now I have wireless tethering on and I'm streaming audio through Tune In. My battery is almost 120F. It's slower. Any device would be. If I pick up my Nook running CM7, it'll be slower right now too due to heat.
Benchmarks mean very little to me now. I mean, what's the point? What are you gonna do, brag about a superficial number? Get it engraved on your belt buckle? I think they can be an indication of certain aspects of a device, but benchmarks do not necessarily tell someone what kind of user experience that device is going to provide.
If I pick up my favorite device and I can do what I want to do quickly and smoothly then I'm fine with it. Even OCing a high end device is something I've never been able to tell a difference with. Now my Nook, yeah, an overclock worked wonders. On the GNex, pish, nah. Remember too, a lot of these 1.5Ghz devices are pushing a bloated framework too. Beyond that, ICS is going to have it's own limitations, especially when it has bugs to get worked out.
It can kinda be like cramming 16GB's of Ram into a PC running 32 bit Windows 7. The hardware addition is irrelevant and while you can brag about 16 gigs of ram to all of your friends, it's a pointless feature of your system.

one thing for sure is that software optimization means much more than hardware differences between those 3 phones.
thus, it depends on what you're going to run: stock, aosp, cyanogen, miui? that's the question.

zapek666 said:
While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.
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This. I think one of my favorite aspects of the nexus is its dual channel memory. So important for performance.

biffsmash said:
In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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To me it seems exactly the opossite.. my gnex is faster than my gs2.... except in gaming.. the animations on the gs2 are different, than on the stock ics...
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My nexus is much faster at browsing than my wires gs2, and my work iphone4s..what? I didn't get to choose!
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I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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Simer03 said:
I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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We've had a pretty stable CM9 for the i9100 for quite a while now. But it still can't compare to the Galaxy Nexus....can't wait for mine to come

Just swapped over from the t989 gs2. The nexus is much smoother. We were always telling ourselves that our phones were better because of the supposedly better hardware... There were many threads Lol. Now that I have it I can see the experience doesn't even compare. Never buying anything touchwiz again

Are benchmarks really important???

I am a big fan of benchmarks but are there are really important

Please say what Kenel are you using.

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It really depends what you find important and what's useless. Its just for the certain few enthusiasts who like tweaking their devices and testing out different values to achieve a higher benchmark score and brag about it. I'm one of them although for the Note 2 I see little or no difference in performance when comparing between an over clocked and a stock setting.
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Some people are disagree with overclock some not, benchmark are high only with overclock but if they are not important what are the reason?

I personally think that having a benchmark with a phones overclock settings turned on is the best way to see the true strength of a phone.
Some phones being overclocked do not even come close to other phones with out it being overclocked
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So overclock or no overclock?
What you prefer?

When it comes to mobile phones, be it a ultra top end smartphone, absolutely not.
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for me, benchmark is only for fun and push it to the best performance of Note 2.
but for daily i still overclocked, 1.8GHz
it was stable and response very well..

Good way to compare devices. Although I do not overclock for my daily usage.

They are not for everyday thing but they tell their stories. For example I am a GPU comparison addict. I believe the GPUs are the first aging parts of the chipsets and if the GPU is not enough no matter what CPU or phone it is, it will fade away quickly. So when I am choosing a product I take one of the Nexus devices as a reference. For my Note 2, my referance was Nexus 7. Sİnce it will be getting at least 1.5 year support (the worst scenerio) Note will run any game for that time period.
So GLbenchmark comes in. Then it lets us to compare Nexus 4 and Note 2. What we can learn from it is, for example, Mali 400 is better for higher resolutions since 1080p and 720p results are same. Mali 400s quad core processors are so powerfull that they can not be effected by MSAAx4 or higher resolutions where Adreno 320 tenst to slow down however it has a bottle neck on the pixel processor side and it gets stuck on the Egypt 2.5 test no matter how much we OC it. So newer games will be a problem for Note 2 we can say. For the more older-coded games which are still close to the Egypt 2.1 side Adreno barely has %5-7 advantage over the Mali 400 so no problem for a long time.

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