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3 Reasons stopping me from buying a Galaxy Nexus Please help me change my mind :D

Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.

most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.

oscillik said:
most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.
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You're right. As stated in the review, they haven't tested the battery extensively, and they said they would update the review with the new battery findings in the future

1) what do you mean could get obsolete?
it is already obsolete except for the 720 HD screen LOL
2) you might be right about that, we'll see how many hour this 1750 mAh battery can pull
3) you also forgot to mention about the lack of space for the ever increasing storage space required to play a game
mohitrocks said:
Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.
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Every phone will be outdated in a year....If thats a big deciding factor u may never get a phone.
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I have to confirm what they said about the battery life. I charged the phone up fully before even turning it on and with heavy use (you know how it is the first day you get a new phone) I got around 7 hours out of it. With normal usage I can imagine it lasting a full work day but if you are a heavy user you probably want to look into an external or expanded battery.
As for gaming, from my tests some games really don't run very well, although it might be partly due to them not being optimised for the Nexus hardware or ICS.
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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Chrono_Tata said:
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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probably it just need some optimization
but compared to the SGS2 T989 it sure it's lacking a bit there
the T989 on stock can easily pull 14 hr ~ 18 hr with moderate use, and if you are light use, then you can get over a day with that phone
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301609

Issues 1 and 2 apply to pretty much any smartphone you get nowadays. So STi489's statement is quite accurate.
I'll refrain from commenting on #3 because I don't do mobile gaming, so don't really know/care a lot about modern phone GPUs.

1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.

mskip said:
1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.
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Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23

qwer23 said:
Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23
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Point taken I was watching tv at the time while I was typing and wasnt thinking too much lol .
Mark.

the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..

I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.

I'm just concerned about how the GPU will cope in playing games. Otherwise, I can't wait until Sat/Sun for T-Mobile to get this in stock.

soullinker20 said:
the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..
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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
luffyp said:
I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.
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It would indeed be good but extremely unlikely
Mark.

mskip said:
With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
Mark.
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thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.

Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.

soullinker20 said:
thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.
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Well at least that will give you time to read reviews from people who are using the phone and see how its performing in the real world before you order it.
Mark.

mohitrocks said:
Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.
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Something like *THIS*. Its basically a huge capacity rechargeable battery that you can plug any usb device into to charge it. In my opinion more practical than buying replacement batterys as you dont have to turn the phone off to keep going. It could even be used as a rechargeable led torch lol..
Im sure you could find one that can be delivered to your location with a google search.
Mark.

1. It only need optimizations. and Ice Cream Sandwich is the start of the long awaited hardware optimization that Android needs.
2. User dependent. and Galaxy Nexus has that feature that any iphone doesn't have. A replaceable battery. So you could bring an extra battery for emergencies. But i really do think that 1750mah can last you a day
3. GPU is still very capable to handle games. Again, just like no.1 all it needs is optimizations. Besides, i don't see game developers focusing on making games that can only run on a very very very powerful GPU.

Anyone worried about a quadcore Sprint phone?

I am a little afraid that it will take Sprint a little too long to jump on the quadcore band waggon. As it did the dual core. Am I just being paranoid?
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Why would you need a quad core phone? ive had a single core HTC Evo for roughly two years now, no complaints, I don't think battery technology is keeping up to speed with processor advances that's my only real reason.

Well first of all its not that I NEED one, but I want one. Years ago people would have thought a 1gz phone would be crazy. So thanks for the input, but let's stay on topic. I would just like to have a little info on wether or not, Sprint will be getting a Quadcore by end of year next year.
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fair enough, was not trying to drag it off-topic but just pointing out the battery life issue as a reason why they may be holding off in the adoption of duel-core and possibly quad core phones.

That's a yea and no. You'll see that the multiple cores gives the phone better battery life due to the fact that the processor can manage processes better giving it better battery. On the flip side, were not perfecting the processors. Were simply flying by through dual cores and quad cores. We were on single cores for about 6 months. Dual cores about 9 and then quad cores were developed. So the developers of these processors need to take more time to perfect the processors, in order to recieve better battery life, less hiccups, more consistency.
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The new quad-core tablet, Asus Transformer Prime, has a battery life of 12 hours. This is because it actually has 5 cores. The 5th core is to update small applications with the tablet off so it doesn't have to power up the quad-core and waste battery power. There are probably other factors, but that is one of the main reasons why the battery life id really good on that tablet.

[Q] International One X or LTE One X

The main thing I do is:
1) Web Browsing
2) Music
3) APPS like FB, Twitter, XDA (not games)
Which version will work better? I don't really get good battery life with stock Sense UI with the International One X sadly.

I also can't decide which one to pick...
From what I heard the LTE one is a bit faster than the int one, the battery life is also better on the LTE but no one gave me numbers... If it's something like 10min it's not worth it imo... Also more people have the int version so there will probably be more devs on it. I asked on another thread if the updates from HTC were for both phones or if they are differents updates and which phone is the most updated but no answers yet... People are saying that battery life will get better with updates, and I read on another thread that Nvidia will release drivers optimised for ICS kernel and that should improve the battery life and perfs.
That said I think I'll go for the int version because: I live in Canada (QC) and here data is limited (50$ for 2gb) so I need internal storage and 16gb is a bit small... People are saying dual core is faster for in all benchmarks I have seen, quadcore version had better scores. Since I don't know if the updates from HTC covers both phones I'll assume it's not the case and I think the int version will get more updates than US version because more people are using it, same for the devs and custom roms. I don't care about LTE cause my area is not covered yet and since data is limited thats probably better xD
For games I don't care for now because I hate playing on touchscreen, but who knows, maybe they will release a mini game-pad.
For finish quadcore is probably overkill for now but I'll not change my phone for a long time and I think apps will be using quadcore in the future and be more optimised for it.

tsukurimashou said:
I also can't decide which one to pick...
From what I heard the LTE one is a bit faster than the int one, the battery life is also better on the LTE but no one gave me numbers... If it's something like 10min it's not worth it imo... Also more people have the int version so there will probably be more devs on it. I asked on another thread if the updates from HTC were for both phones or if they are differents updates and which phone is the most updated but no answers yet... People are saying that battery life will get better with updates, and I read on another thread that Nvidia will release drivers optimised for ICS kernel and that should improve the battery life and perfs.
That said I think I'll go for the int version because: I live in Canada (QC) and here data is limited (50$ for 2gb) so I need internal storage and 16gb is a bit small... People are saying dual core is faster for in all benchmarks I have seen, quadcore version had better scores. Since I don't know if the updates from HTC covers both phones I'll assume it's not the case and I think the int version will get more updates than US version because more people are using it, same for the devs and custom roms. I don't care about LTE cause my area is not covered yet and since data is limited thats probably better xD
For games I don't care for now because I hate playing on touchscreen, but who knows, maybe they will release a mini game-pad.
For finish quadcore is probably overkill for now but I'll not change my phone for a long time and I think apps will be using quadcore in the future and be more optimised for it.
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Yeah I share your frustration. I'm in Alberta and I don't want to pay the big 3 the money for LTE, so HSPA+ is fine. But the thing is my battery life has been horrendous so far on my international One X. It doesn't help that NVIDIA is using a VERY outdated kernel version, in comparison to the snapdragon. The other problem is we don't know when NVIDIA is going to fix this, as I'm not going to wait 1 more year before they update the kernel version. I think the LTE version is running a newer kernel thus better overall battery life. I only wish the LTE version came in 32 GBS. But that really doesn't matter too much for me now, since I can't even go one day on a full charge. I get about 1.5~1.75 hours of screen time with auto sync and auto brightness on. It's VERY disappointing in comparison to my Galaxy Note, which I now regret selling.

If I had a chance, I would go for LTE version. I have international for about one month and it quite disappointed, starting from lagging live wallpapers through laggy browser, reloading Sense ending with other performance issues. Still, I love the screen and standby battery time and performance issues will be resolved with next updates or when we find S-OFF method without loosing warranty.
As for now, T3 HOX disappointed me, but I hope it will get better and better over time. Luckily, I had none of bulid quality issues, no overheating, no dead pixels nor screen blikning, because I'm sure I would get rid of this phone right away.

corckie said:
If I had a chance, I would go for LTE version. I have international for about one month and it quite disappointed, starting from lagging live wallpapers through laggy browser, reloading Sense ending with other performance issues. Still, I love the screen and standby battery time and performance issues will be resolved with next updates or when we find S-OFF method without loosing warranty.
As for now, T3 HOX disappointed me, but I hope it will get better and better over time. Luckily, I had none of bulid quality issues, no overheating, no dead pixels nor screen blikning, because I'm sure I would get rid of this phone right away.
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harsh life... there's no other phone out there i would consider right now... *sigh*

Why not go for the international version of the LTE, the One XL this has got the same memory as the tegra 3 version.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php

anoniemouse said:
Why not go for the international version of the LTE, the One XL this has got the same memory as the tegra 3 version.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_xl-4572.php
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i know the snapdragon is running a newer kernel than the tegra, and rumour has it it has a better battery life somewhat because of the kernel. it's just frustrating that the One X is a let down battery life and screen problem wise.

Keep in mind that, due to the Apple vs HTC war going on right now, they had to modify the AT&T version of the HOX and it has little limitations, such as links not taking you to their respective apps (i.e. phone numbers won't dial and youtube links launch the browser, not Youtube, and give you no option to change it).
I believe there are other tweaks, as well, but I don't know all of them.
I had the AT&T version initially and was not very happy with it. It had the SMS bug, which has still not been fixed and it didn't seem to run as well as my International version.
S4 is great, but I think the Tegra has better idle battery life, thanks to the 5th companion core and I'm not on mine all the time. Even with use, my Tegra One X does okay.

greyhulk said:
Keep in mind that, due to the Apple vs HTC war going on right now, they had to modify the AT&T version of the HOX and it has little limitations, such as links not taking you to their respective apps (i.e. phone numbers won't dial and youtube links launch the browser, not Youtube, and give you no option to change it).
I believe there are other tweaks, as well, but I don't know all of them.
I had the AT&T version initially and was not very happy with it. It had the SMS bug, which has still not been fixed and it didn't seem to run as well as my International version.
S4 is great, but I think the Tegra has better idle battery life, thanks to the 5th companion core and I'm not on mine all the time. Even with use, my Tegra One X does okay.
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it's just hard for me to accept the stock battery life on this device. coming from a galaxy note, which I'm starting to think was a huge regret to sell, lasted one day with my use pattern. With my one X I usually last from 7 AM to 2-3 PM before it's screaming for a charge.
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Why not just sell the one x then and rebuy the note if you are un happy with the one x?

I tested the one X roggers version (same as AT&T) at best buy yesterday and I wasn't impressed at all... I mean yes the screen is amazing I love the phone design and sense but it was laggy, the multitasking is a joke and everytime you press home button you have to wait 1-3sec... What is the point of having a dualcore if there is loading times when you press home and you can't multitask? Anyway I really hope the int version don't have those issues (for multitasking I know it's "normal" but I heard it can be fixed with a script). Anyway the battery life is also an issue for me, when I see the GS3 with amazing battery life... I love the design the screen and sense on the HTC but I hate battery life and multitasking... I love the battery life and perfs on the GS3 but I hate the design and especially touchwizz vs sense... It's really really hard to choose.

so any updates on this now that you have sense 4.1 and stuff? is the T3 one x much smoother now? should i get international one x instead of at&t?

After the 4.0.4 update and Sense 4.1, anything other than the Tegra 3 variant is out of the question. Quadrants, Antutu, etc are off the charts as well as overall smoothness and general responsiveness. I came from a Galaxy S3 and the One X indeed feels overall smoother for me now
But for your mentioned use, id say that you would benefit more from the lte than the extra 2 cores and GPU power
My reason for choosing T3 (And my carrier offers the LTE version, AT&T)
-Tegra 3 Gaming
-32GB storage
-No bloat (in my case)
-Unlimited data
-Int variant should get updates faster
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[POLL] Did u get ur One X for gaming? or to conserve power for sake of mother earth?

Sorry about the humor title, i made this thread to stop arguing in the productive kernel development threads, so please vote here!
Did you chose your Tegra 3 One X for it's gaming brute force, games that Tegra 3 was designed for like HORN, Shadowgun THD and Dead trigger, games that Nvidia aggressively pursue, like they ported unreal engine 3 and keep pushing for the usage of quad core in games, this kind of console like gaming requires the maximum out of your CPU
This is why we are endlessly trying to squeeze T3 to it's limits, we found the optimal CPU governor settings in the gaming scripts and renovate gaming boost app and pushed top kernel devs like Faux to remove the single core step which was confusing and causing lag in multicore able games
Tegra3 in its full speed on the One X will give you around 2.5 hours of non stop gaming screen on time, the good news the boost mode is easily switchable by using the renovate gaming boost app and this way you can gain more of your battery during normal use
Or non of this matter and you prefer development efforts to focus on extracting the maximum screen on battery time, even at the expense of hindering the power of this thing, you are okay with it even if it means breaking the quad core ability in the Tegra3, like in the Nvidia Glowball tech-demo (any tweaking to the quad balance will cause lag in this app, the same for many Tegra THD games )
Gladiators, begin! :laugh:

I couldn't care less about 3d games on my mobile. What I want is a sleek interface, no stutter when browsing through websites or menus and a "decent" battery life. And, the customisation options of Android.
I don't think playing 3d games on phones is feasible yet. Battery life is too much of an issue and the phone (and internet) abilities of mobile phonesbis of far superior importance to entertainment for most users.
PS: It annoys me so much that theoretically very simplistic games like xxx with friends use so much energy, though. I wish they were properly coded.
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I bought it primarily because of it's superior screen and design, and ARHD :3

Nubzori said:
I bought it primarily because of it's superior screen and design, and ARHD :3
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er its a poll about gaming vs battery lets keep it there

I didnt care about gaming before (ocassionaly some softcore angry birds gaming) but a week ago i bought virtua tennis and i must i m pretty impressed by it and i cant stop playing!

baum01 said:
I couldn't care less about 3d games on my mobile. What I want is a sleek interface, no stutter when browsing through websites or menus and a "decent" battery life. And, the customisation options of Android.
I don't think playing 3d games on phones is feasible yet. Battery life is too much of an issue and the phone (and internet) abilities of mobile phonesbis of far superior importance to entertainment for most users.
PS: It annoys me so much that theoretically very simplistic games like xxx with friends use so much energy, though. I wish they were properly coded.
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I bought a ferrari for save fuel...
The battery life is enough for me I can easily do 4.30h with 70% brightness if I don't play anything or around 3h if u play for around 1h, if you wanted a more power efficient phone there's the razr maxx or even the one xl/at&t version , there's also a lot of very small portable batteries with 3000mah for a very cheap price.... So I don't really get why people want 6h on screen, you will never use the phone for all this time if you're outside.
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Gaming no doubt. I am most of the time at home, so battery is not an issue.
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gaming as tegra is known for gaming so thats why i bought it

batna.antab said:
I bought a ferrari for save fuel...
The battery life is enough for me I can easily do 4.30h with 70% brightness if I don't play anything or around 3h if u play for around 1h, if you wanted a more power efficient phone there's the razr maxx or even the one xl/at&t version , there's also a lot of very small portable batteries with 3000mah for a very cheap price.... So I don't really get why people want 6h on screen, you will never use the phone for all this time if you're outside.
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exactly especially since the phone drains almost zero when the screen is off even with all the data connections
i mean you have crazy amount of screen off time and screen on is based on your usage
pretty damn sweet deal if you ask me
but some people are asking for kernel development like the old days, where you try to control and subdue the device performance for the sake of more battery
Tegra 3 is not like those old devices, and this logic doesn't apply, for three reasons:
1- Its a quad core, don't get a quad superphone for your emergency use!
2- no point in doing anything about screen off life, Tegra 3 has it all solved and built-in thanks to the fifth Low Power core
3- you can't customize or create your own CPU governor, Tegra 3 is very unorthodox when it comes to it's CPU control, any attempt to change CPU control ends in breaking the main quad functionally, even clock speed control is very hard to do
In other words those asking for kernel development to "tam" the quad are actually asking the kernel developer to break Tegra 3, you are better off disabling cores using a core control app or reducing clock speed using userspace governor
and finally
the main battery consumer is the screen, you gain a lot more screen time by reducing brightness than by killing Tegra 3

and those voting for i don't mind balance between the two
do you cry if Nova3 runs laggy on your One X?

Lol i really dont mind how long the battery lasts as i carry my charger anywhere! I love ragging the F**K outta it for gaming! :silly:

baum01 said:
I couldn't care less about 3d games on my mobile. What I want is a sleek interface, no stutter when browsing through websites or menus and a "decent" battery life. And, the customisation options of Android.
I don't think playing 3d games on phones is feasible yet. Battery life is too much of an issue and the phone (and internet) abilities of mobile phonesbis of far superior importance to entertainment for most users.
PS: It annoys me so much that theoretically very simplistic games like xxx with friends use so much energy, though. I wish they were properly coded.
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+1 and infinity.
If I really wanted to and had the time to focus on playing games I would have bought a PS Vita or something. Would have been better (since its also a game pad) and much cheaper too.
Buying a device that's meant to be primarily used for web, communication and general multitasking is a rather ridiculous idea if you want to kill it with games.
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This isn't fair fight
The thread is a one way explanation for phone..
This phone is much more then a cpu..
It's a beautiful screen..
A lovely camera
Somewhat mediocre but comparatively good music
Awesome build quality
And superb speed and power
So the phone is not just for gaming, it's d best camera phone with authentic sound, screen..
Thus only seeing gaming part of it isnt fair.
Again it's only my opinion and what way most of people look at this phone.
And before u say I should have bought one xl then it is not available in my country and I wanted to upgrade from my sgs2 so dual core»quad core should be..
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geko95gek said:
+1 and infinity.
If I really wanted to and had the time to focus on playing games I would have bought a PS Vita or something. Would have been better (since its also a game pad) and much cheaper too.
Buying a device that's meant to be primarily used for web, communication and general multitasking is a rather ridiculous idea if you want to kill it with games.
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So why did you buy the tegra 3 version?
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geko95gek said:
+1 and infinity.
If I really wanted to and had the time to focus on playing games I would have bought a PS Vita or something. Would have been better (since its also a game pad) and much cheaper too.
Buying a device that's meant to be primarily used for web, communication and general multitasking is a rather ridiculous idea if you want to kill it with games.
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how r we killing it?
with the very maximum and most technically advanced game around (Horn, unreal engine 3), with full CPU boost and the fastest kernel, battery heat around 50c and you get 2.5 hours of screen on time with brightness @25%
i doubt any vita will do better, i know iPhone 4s can die in two hours on infinity blade!
now if you don't push it, it won't spend it very simple equation!

sumeshd said:
This isn't fair fight
The thread is a one way explanation for phone..
This phone is much more then a cpu..
It's a beautiful screen..
A lovely camera
Somewhat mediocre but comparatively good music
Awesome build quality
And superb speed and power
So the phone is not just for gaming, it's d best camera phone with authentic sound, screen..
Thus only seeing gaming part of it isnt fair.
Again it's only my opinion and what way most of people look at this phone.
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i agree on all +1
but this very thread is specifically discussing gaming vs battery
you are not concerned stay out of it or choose a medium vote

I think balance is more important.
Installed a lot of games when I just got my HOX, but have been uninstalling them one by one cause they drain my battery too fast. 1-2 hrs of gaming on the phone and I need to be prepared to say bye bye to my battery

sumeshd said:
This isn't fair fight
The thread is a one way explanation for phone..
This phone is much more then a cpu..
It's a beautiful screen..
A lovely camera
Somewhat mediocre but comparatively good music
Awesome build quality
And superb speed and power
So the phone is not just for gaming, it's d best camera phone with authentic sound, screen..
Thus only seeing gaming part of it isnt fair.
Again it's only my opinion and what way most of people look at this phone.
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Lol the sound quality one the one x is awful... But again there's the s4 version for who want a better battery Life and don't like ti play vg
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batna.antab said:
Lol the sound quality one the one x is awful... But again there's the s4 version for who want a better battery Life and don't like ti play vg
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I edited my post before ur rply..lol
I knew tat ws coming and sound quality as I said is mediocre but it's better than sgs2 or iPhone or something.. imo
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sumeshd said:
I edited my post before ur rply..lol
I knew tat ws coming and sound quality as I said is mediocre but it's better than sgs2 or iPhone or something.. imo
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OT OT OT, Out!!!!!!!!!!

[Q] HOX International Version: Some Doubts

I have decided to get the HOX instead of the GS3 as I can get the 32GB for the price of a 16GB galaxy, and the hardware seems much better and the phone much nicer.
As far as I understand, the 32GB version is the INTERNATIONAL version which basically is a 4 cores and no LTE HOX.
If I get this international version, there would be no problems with rooting and installing custom roms?
My other and very important concern, what about battery life? I read comments where it says it lasts about 6 hours of normal use, which is too little. I thought the HOX had great battery life, or is this a problem with the international version only?
THANKS!

Please ask about this on the international one x forums
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Didn't realized there was one, can any moderator move it there? Thanks.

One xl comes in 32gb in several regions. That spec alone does not define if the phone is Evita or endeaver.

I'm positive is not the LTE because is about 500 new unlocked for 32GB, and it says GSM phone on the description.

kwanbis said:
I have decided to get the HOX instead of the GS3 as I can get the 32GB for the price of a 16GB galaxy, and the hardware seems much better and the phone much nicer.
As far as I understand, the 32GB version is the INTERNATIONAL version which basically is a 4 cores and no LTE HOX.
If I get this international version, there would be no problems with rooting and installing custom roms?
My other and very important concern, what about battery life? I read comments where it says it lasts about 6 hours of normal use, which is too little. I thought the HOX had great battery life, or is this a problem with the international version only?
THANKS!
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If you're worried about development progress on the HoX T3, you've got nothing to worry about. It's one of the most active dev forums on XDA. If you got the XL version then you have reason to worry cos development there is a bit on the slow side unfortunately /:
6 hours of normal use? Define normal use I get 3-4 hours on screen time with moderate usage and some heavy duty gaming. Screen auto brightness.

Right, what would be normal use for some would be not normal for others.
I do not use it for long periods of time, but maybe I check incoming emails about 10/20 times a day, send/read another 10/20 whatsapp messages, talk no more than 1 hour on average, and maybe another 30 minutes of browsing.
I currently have a SGS2, and I manage to get about 14 hours of phone use like that, more or less, would I be able to get better battery on the HOX? Would it make any difference if it is the dual core or quad core version?
Thanks.

kwanbis said:
Right, what would be normal use for some would be not normal for others.
I do not use it for long periods of time, but maybe I check incoming emails about 10/20 times a day, send/read another 10/20 whatsapp messages, talk no more than 1 hour on average, and maybe another 30 minutes of browsing.
I currently have a SGS2, and I manage to get about 14 hours of phone use like that, more or less, would I be able to get better battery on the HOX? Would it make any difference if it is the dual core or quad core version?
Thanks.
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The dual core version has better battery life while in use, but the quad core one has better standby performance cos of it's 5th companion core. Since the phone will be on standby for the majority of the time, it kinda evens out. Tegra 3 has better talk time, while S4 has better on screen time. Both will definitely last you a whole day at the least I haven't checked out battery performance in awhile, cos it's always plugged in at my office pc But I can do a few tests starting today/tomorrow for a few days to see what my combination of ROM and Kernel does for battery life.

Thanks for the information. So I would buy the international version then, and an S3, just in case, and see which one gives me more battery (really hope it is the HOX, as the S3 is horrible, the S2 is much better looking).

kwanbis said:
Thanks for the information. So I would buy the international version then, and an S3, just in case, and see which one gives me more battery (really hope it is the HOX, as the S3 is horrible, the S2 is much better looking).
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The S3 does have a bigger battery though.. Also depends which S3 you're getting, the S4 Krait or the Exynos version (international)

ArmedandDangerous said:
The S3 does have a bigger battery though.. Also depends which S3 you're getting, the S4 Krait or the Exynos version (international)
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I currently have an S2, which I love, even if I would like the battery to last 2~4 more hours at least, which I would like to upgrade from.
While I love the aesthetics of the S2 in general, I do not like the S3 that much, and love the HOX aesthetics. My only problem with the HOX, or any other phone for that matter, is again battery time.
I think that in general, the HOX and the S3 are more or less the same, the only differences being aesthetics and maybe battery time.
So you are saying that the S3 has a longer lasting battery? Would the Krait last longer in general than the Exynos or the opposite?
I would prefer the HOX, any of the HOXes, to the S3, but battery is the most important thing for me, so much that I have even considered a Razr Maxx, but I'm not so sure about it.

If battery is of the utmost importance, then maybe you'd like to wait for the HoX+ that will be out in shops soon. It has a bigger battery, slightly better front camera, comes with JB and Sense 4+ and a slightly faster clocked Tegra 3. I haven't seen many S3 Exynos reviews yet cos most review sites are US-based, hence having access to the Krait version first. For really in-depth reviews I go for anandtech, they did a review for the Krait S3's already but none for the Exynos yet.
The HoX+ has a 2100 mAh battery, while the S3 has a 2100 mAh battery as well. Both will last you through a day easily, with the S3 slightly ahead.
I would say the Krait would outlast the Exynos, but that's just me making a guess haha.