http://teamwin-recovery.blogspot.com/2011/12/developer-burn-out-and-addiction.html
He says he will fulfill his obligation to finish our recovery. The point I'd like to make is that people need to backup off developers and just let them work.
This is happening far too often.
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I feel for him because I know what it's like from developing a MUCH MUCH smaller app, it gets very annoying.
At the same time though, I hate seeing these posts and how the devs let the community get them so worked up, we're all human but things like this you need to be able to deal with and know they will happen.
Hope the dev can enjoy his holidays and
He's definitely getting a donation from me when we get TWRP. No question.
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I feel like the ET4G users are more grateful after reading that. I mean, that ICS thread had almost or over $2k in pledges. I'm sure he will be happy with how our community, for the most part, acts and reacts after he releases.
Anyone else know immediately that it was Agraben as soon as they saw Teamwin mentioned?
I "kinda" feel for the guy, but he's always been very much of a "loves to dish it out, but can't take it" kinda guy.
When Team Alpharev or whatever beat them out for s-off on the HTC devices, he about had a meltdown.
He went full-hostile to pretty much the world for a while (on Twitter, at least), so much that the rest of Teamwin was doing the "we don't know this guy" dance for a bit.
Either way, though, I don't wanna wish anyone bad news, so I hope he gets it all worked out, because he's very much a hell of a developer, one of the best. (And it's very right-on for him to fulfill his obligations.)
He wrote they only received $500 on the hdmi port. I thought there was a bounty for that. I don't remember the amount but I think it was larger than $500. I will try to confirm but if it is true, than another bounty that failed.
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He wrote they only received $500 on the hdmi port. I thought there was a bounty for that. I don't remember the amount but I think it was larger than $500. I will try to confirm but if it is true, than another bounty that failed.
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Which is why bounties need to be done away with completely. Some people seem to pledge just to see the amount get high enough that it will "light a fire" under the devs. Then, when the product is released, they don't follow through on their pledge, but use the product anyway.
I know that the other members from team win haven't been so active and we may be witnessing the end. Heck one of them posts about how much he likes his I phone
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I know that the other members from team win haven't been so active and we may be witnessing the end. Heck one of them posts about how much he likes his I phone
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Yeah, and he freaking loves it, and won't shut up about it.
(but he's more of a "graphics guy" than a real dev.....)
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Which is why bounties need to be done away with completely. Some people seem to pledge just to see the amount get high enough that it will "light a fire" under the devs. Then, when the product is released, they don't follow through on their pledge, but use the product anyway.
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+ a million to that.
mazook98 said:
Yeah, and he freaking loves it, and won't shut up about it.
(but he's more of a "graphics guy" than a real dev.....)
+ a million to that.
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Shinzul.... Who spearheaded the Wimax movement doesn't seem involved at all and he was part of the heart of the team.
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Shinzul.... Who spearheaded the Wimax movement doesn't seem involved at all and he was part of the heart of the team.
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Whoa.... I was referring to Shift.
I have no qualms with Shinzul, as I've never exchanged one word with him.
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Just got the Christmas HD wallpaper. Thanks for the info!
This will make my GF jelly belly of my phone lol.
naripsta said:
Just got the Christmas HD wallpaper. Thanks for the info!
This will make my GF jelly belly of my phone lol.
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wrong thread?
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I follow Agraben on twitter, I have noticed his tweets getting more and more crazy! I think part of the problem is everyone was riled up and ready for TWRP2 when he saw the communities excitement he began to add more devices to TWRP2. Daily he would tweet about adding another device whether it was a phone or tablet, his work load was growing. I began to see TWRP2 never being released due to endless device adding, lol. Then I saw the tweet where he wanted $/donations to pay for 1/2 the new Galaxy Nexus, I dont think that panned out to well and it seems he bought the device anyway. That would be enough to tick any one of our wives off! And we all know it the wife isnt happy, neither are we, lol. If he had dropped the recoveries he had for the devices that were ready 2 months ago, things may be a bit different. People might be riled up to send some donations that way, but the endless device adding got everyone down, myself included.
mazook98 said:
Whoa.... I was referring to Shift.
I have no qualms with Shinzul, as I've never exchanged one word with him.
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I was talking about shift also in my original post... I was just stating that also on the team Is Shinzul who has been really quiet. I'm not saying I had qualms about him ust that he has been quiet for a long time. He was really cool and gave updates on stuff he was working on.
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I follow Agraben on twitter, I have noticed his tweets getting more and more crazy! I think part of the problem is everyone was riled up and ready for TWRP2 when he saw the communities excitement he began to add more devices to TWRP2. Daily he would tweet about adding another device whether it was a phone or tablet, his work load was growing. I began to see TWRP2 never being released due to endless device adding, lol. Then I saw the tweet where he wanted $/donations to pay for 1/2 the new Galaxy Nexus, I dont think that panned out to well and it seems he bought the device anyway. That would be enough to tick any one of our wives off! And we all know it the wife isnt happy, neither are we, lol. If he had dropped the recoveries he had for the devices that were ready 2 months ago, things may be a bit different. People might be riled up to send some donations that way, but the endless device adding got everyone down, myself included.
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Yeah, it's not like he's a lead chip designer for Nvidia or anything at his day job... (Oh, wait... he IS...)
Doesn't Nvidia pay their employees a good salary? I would think that they would, but who knows..
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Yeah, it's not like he's a lead chip designer for Nvidia or anything at his day job... (Oh, wait... he IS...)
Doesn't Nvidia pay their employees a good salary? I would think that they would, but who knows..
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I would think he brings in a good check, but thats still $750 two weeks before Christmas.
Whoops, wrong thread indeed LOL.
Its a fine line that many dev's have to walk; one side of them loves to work on new devices and the challenge of getting something to work on a device can be very intoxicating..On the other hand, it takes away from your personal life, and, eventually, the moochers, leechers, and the folks who feel they are entitled to everything and anything for free just because the registered of a web forum, drives away the creative, sharing folks who make the great software that we get to play with on our phones..
Frankly, even if he got paid for all the things he has developed for smartphones, it wouldn't make a differences, because, the first jerk bait, who complains about having to wait for an update, would just set him off again..
Any dev posting stuff on XDA, has to think about how they will deal with all the obnoxious ass wipers who seem to have overrun what used to be a fun, and exciting place to interact with others; its not just XDA that has this issue now, its pretty much every "Free" web forum that offers software and programs for anyone who can figure out how to register..
Maybe a "membership fee" type site, would help keep some of the worst, most obnoxious, douchebags out??
^ indeed.
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Free to read with a small fee to post in Dev forums (free for recognized devs) would work for me.
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For the people that are not on G+ or follow a few of the cyanogenmod team members that are on it I wanted to repost what Koush said about an hour ago. I know people are waiting for CM7 on the E4GT but at the same time pestering the dev's is not going to get us anywhere and in turn could get them upset.
Epic 4G Touch Users: The devices were donated to us by RootzWiki, with absolutely no strings or expectations attached. Please stop asking for ETAs, it's extremely irritating and pretty disheartening.
Regardless, for those asking about Epic 4G Touch, here's what has been done with it so far:
The first official template/guide for building Samsung recoveries, specifically tested on Epic 4G Touch:
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8296-gui...rkmod-recovery-into-samsunginitramfs-devices/
It also helped add external/internal sd card support in CWR and RM:
https://twitter.com/clockworkmod/status/130005657024856064
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/89ed0b7355e93c145bb40483db5f79766a00e7df
You may not appreciate it, since it doesn't get you CM7 immediately. But this is the kind of work that streamlines the process for future Samsung devices getting properly supported and mainlined.
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Just a reminder guys give them time and chill. It takes time to get something great for these phones.
-cid
Thanks for the update! just knowing that they are working on it has my mouth watering!
I agree with the op. Bothering developers about it will not get it done any faster. It might them quit working on it. So everyone please just enjoy your phone now and good things are coming to us.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
musclehead84 said:
I agree with the op. Bothering developers about it will not get it done any faster. It might them quit working on it. So everyone please just enjoy your phone now and good things are coming to us.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
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True, but it's still nice to hear about their progress every now and then. We hadn't heard about anything other then rootzwiki giving koush an e4gt. Can't wait to have some aosp goodness
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True, but it's still nice to hear about their progress every now and then. We hadn't heard about anything other then rootzwiki giving koush an e4gt. Can't wait to have some aosp goodness
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The fact that Samsung can't even get off their ass to fix such a serious problem like LOS much less update their phones definitely makes people antsy about getting AOSP (which also helps bring other development)
Thanks for the update! I really need to follow them on Google+
Koush is the man! Noobs....let him be.
For what its worth I don't think the hangup is Samsung and lies more in the hands of Sprint who apparently have had a Samsung update submission and haven't done anything with it...for various reasons given I don't understand.
In addition to Samsung stepping up their game since the Samsung S's releases (namely beginning with SGS2 they also tried to counter their poor update record.
During the time I had the SGS2 from April through July we had THREE Samsung updates...coming fairly quickly after known issues.
The carrier here is the roadblock.
Lesson? Get the Nexus Prime.
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The fact that Samsung can't even get off their ass to fix such a serious problem like LOS much less update their phones definitely makes people antsy about getting AOSP (whichwho also helps bring other development)
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For what its worth I don't think the hangup is Samsung and lies more in the hands of Sprint who apparently have had a Samsung update submission and haven't done anything with it...for various reasons given I don't understand.
In addition to Samsung stepping up their game since the Samsung S's releases (namely beginning with SGS2 they also tried to counter their poor update record.
During the time I had the SGS2 from April through July we had THREE Samsung updates...coming fairly quickly after known issues.
The carrier here is the roadblock.
Lesson? Get the Nexus Prime.
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The problem with the idea that Sprint is holding up the updates is three fold:
1) Why would Sprint hold up the LOS fix? They're losing money on constant credits and device exchanges.
2) Samsung has a history, no matter what carrier, of not being anywhere near prompt with updates.
3) Also, why would Sprint hold up updates for only Samsung devices? Other device makers don't seem to have issues.
I think the fact is, Samsung sees the international market as more important than the U.S., and is even less concerned with the CDMA market.
I am so exited! Got my phone and stock drove me CRAZY within a few hours. The folks at CM seriously spoil us. We are so lucky to have them. I don't know why the small group of geniuses at CM can develop a ROM that is AWESOME and the stock ROMs suck so bad. I mean, she wouldn't anyone want to know what their battery percentage is, or have options for their dock and lock screen style, or not throw their battery and performance in the dumpster!
Not only does CM put out awesome ROMs in a timely manner, they do it across like twenty devices and eight manufacturers for free! ! ! Friggin miraculous. Anyway, thank you! Let's not be impatient because the miracle takes a couple weeks longer than convenient.
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Replying for in this thread for a bump. Please stop pestering the devs. CM7 will be ready for our devices when it's ready.
chunology said:
Please stop pestering the devs. CM7 will be ready for our devices when it's ready.
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Really?
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Why do people bug the crap outta the poor devs. Best thing to do is don't get the device right when it comes out if you can't wait. KOUSH and the other devs have life's. He will bring it in time believe it.
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How do I follow Koush on G+?
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How do I follow Koush on G+?
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http://tinyurl.com/6l2gqny
and
http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa
Post of the week
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http://tinyurl.com/6l2gqny
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http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa
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Hey Nifnard,
How would I know his actual handle?
I know how to search in G+ and when I searched for Koush a log of profiles came up. I bet you were giggling like a little school girl when you were posting.
People on this website are full of themselves. I miss the old XDA.
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Hey Nifnard,
How would I know his actual handle?
I know how to search in G+ and when I searched for Koush a log of profiles came up. I bet you were giggling like a little school girl when you were posting.
People on this website are full of themselves. I miss the old XDA.
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Dude, it was in light fun.. you really need to lighten up a little bit there. and if you click the second link it googles his name and "google plus" which the first link that comes up, is his profile.. http://tinyurl.com/6xkhxaa
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holy **** that was hilarious. i never did get how people using android phones dont get how easy it is to google something. its a verb for god sake, just do it lol
MaliceOmega said:
holy **** that was hilarious. i never did get how people using android phones dont get how easy it is to google something. its a verb for god sake, just do it lol
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Google is a verb. So true. All my friends and family members probably think I'm an asshole because I google everything on my "google phone" to prove everyone is wrong. Sadly I prove myself wrong too at rare occasions.
We had a bounty for bubby to get the money to buy our phone. And I remember there was one guy who (was awesome!!) donated over $200 as well as gave bubby a computer for him to work on.
I have been following bubby on his twitter and it doesn't seem that he's working on our phone. He's working every day but just not on our phone, not at all.
But, by simply looking at his twitter it's not entirely clear whether he is or not working on our phone. I hope it's just me that read it wrong.
Edit:
Several people confirmed that he's working on his Epic 4G Touch, not our phone. He has not posted a single twit regarding anything he has done / is doing / is considering doing for our phone. He has not been responding to my questions on twitter, and people have been saying he either dance around when asked about our phone or not respond at all.
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I know the concept that a donation is a donation and is not like you are paying for something, but...
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While he has not developed a thing for any phone other than his own Epic 4G Touch, he has been asking for donation for numerous other phones. We should probably interfere and refer the people in other forums (potential victims) to this thread.
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Just a thought, whoever donated, are you able to charge it back through your credit card company with a reason of "service not delivered"? If you are lucky maybe you can get your money back? I know it's a "donation" but bubby did promise in the bounty thread to deliver lots of stuff, he even said he already got ICS booted etc and played us with "here's a bunch of goodies coming up from me just donate to me and stay tuned" ****.
If your following him on twitter you already know the answer to your question.
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Lmao, how pathetic.
Hard lesson learned for those involved? Sure.
Kick in the balls from his part? Absolutely.
How is that not 100% theft? Atleast fundamentally.
To the laptop owner, has he sent that back?
By looking at his twitter it's not exactly clear whether bubby is or not working on our phone. Can someone else share some opinion?
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If your following him on twitter you already know the answer to your question.
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+1
There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?
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Lmao, how pathetic.
Hard lesson learned for those involved? Sure.
Kick in the balls from his part? Absolutely.
How is that not 100% theft? Atleast fundamentally.
To the laptop owner, has he sent that back?
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Maybe he hasn't got around to work on our phone yet I hope?
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If your following him on twitter you already know the answer to your question.
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Sorry for my ignorance but what's the answer to my question? Can you please spell it our explicitly for me?
We have the same info as you, dude.
The thread you referenced: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318854&page=8
And his Twitter. Ask him directly for a 'better answer' but, I think he's made it pretty clear he doesn't know wtf he's doing.
Thread question answered.
Wow.....well I think this is pretty messed up....
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wow this guys gone, he just got a free laptop and a brand new samsung galaxy s2.
an undesrieable leech...
Its sad but truthfully some can be misleading as we all know. What is done here is in fun hobby and practice...to donate is great and needed....but only after said item has been created...
Moral wise...f ya its wrong and ill never support his present or future work.
Reality .... he probably cares less and can only verbally be punished....I think much more in order such as ban of account or other....
To mislead and not give up what was given....well some can be gutter trash here but hopefully not to long........
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We had a bounty for bubby to have our phone. And I remember there was one guy who (was awesome!!) donated over $200 as well as gave bubby a computer for him to work on.
I have been following bubby on his twitter. It doesn't seem that he's working on our phone. He's working hard every day for sure but just not on our phone, not at all.
But, by simply looking at his twitter it's not entirely clear whether he is or not working on our phone. I hope it's me that read it wrong.
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He is not working on our phone... He is working on his personal device Epic 4G Touch
I know... Sucks
its not the first time he does this, maybe you guys should've checked this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=926461&page=2
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its not the first time he does this, maybe you guys should've checked this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=926461&page=2
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Wow. I'm definitely glad that I didn't donate. I'd only donate to devs that I can vouch for, like Faux, Slayher, etc. Hopefully Bubby didn't violate any of you guys who has donated. Maybe he's working on something big.
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I brought this up in his bounty thread and everyone doubted me. Real devs can get their own phone. Simple as that. Someone should ask luckyduck or something in these forums; claimed to be his "tester".
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I think its effed up especially after just reading what mickeycobra04 posted about other thread. **** is nuts well deja vu if u wanna get technical. And the crazy part is right when the s2 came out he made stock kernel tar the stock recovery and i think a few other things. He basically reeled everybody in so they would know he wasnt just a nobody and could develop a little then he says cm, ics, asop and that rite there was like music to our ears so we start donating and he stays active. Then after some time he gets his phone and a laptop! And posted like 2 times since. Now i know everyone has lives and **** like that but cmon bro its been a month maybe a little less. Bring something to the table man it aint cool.
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Sorry for my ignorance but what's the answer to my question? Can you please spell it our explicitly for me?
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at the risk of being a **** to a 15 year old kid, let me try to help you understand. if you go over to the fascinate/continuum forums and ask them about bubby, you will hear nothing good about the kid. he has been making promises to android users for a while now, and RARELY coming through with anything more than a system dump or a stock kernel here and there. i know its said that donating with expectations isnt donating, but in the android community, why do people donate? we want to see someone make **** happen. well, this kid is a talker and not a doer. i donated to help get roman his gs2, i was rewarded with jugs(kernel), and juggernaut(rom). in the future, people should do a little more research before they dive in and give a person(15 year old kid) money for a phone, or a laptop.
He is in the skyrocket forums asking for donations also. I hate to say it but I seriously think he is in the wind folks. Its sad because this will prevent people from donating to serious developers. I have a corporate T-mo account and we got 25 galaxy s2's as a promo and he begged me for one of them and I was very close to sending him one in the beginning but thank god my very smart wife told me I'd be crazy to send some kid that I dont know from adam a 600 dollar phone. Well live and learn and just hope that maybe he will still come thru. But not looking to likely. Hell team kang has released 3 roms since Bubby supposedly got his phone.
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I brought this up in his bounty thread and everyone doubted me. Real devs can get their own phone. Simple as that. Someone should ask luckyduck or something in these forums; claimed to be his "tester".
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bubby wont use a tester on anything "valuable". hes a gloryhound. everyone should follow his tweeter and see his ridiculous tweets. its comedy.
http://twitter.com/#!/bubby323xda
I think that those that whove donated should bomb the Skyrocket, Epic and whatever else thread Bubby frequents towards get the message across. Post the links of these threads that shows proof of Bubby not delivering what he claim he'd deliver and maybe he'll answer.
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Hello again everyone. It has been a long few months. I had hoped that I would be back in the community by now but some things have been keeping me back. My mother has been having medical issues for a while now and I have been going through some desperate financial times. This was going on while I was active also I just didn't say anything. And I am embarrassed and hate that I have to do this now.
Well here it is. I need $50,000 to save my home. So I am asking that if you can spare anything to please send it to my paypal [email protected]. I am not into the social media thing so if you can spread the word to friends and family I would greatly appreciate it. If I don't get enough to save my home I will return all of the money. If you prefer to loan the money to me I will work as hard as possible to pay it back as quickly as I can. Just send me an email so we can work out the details.
I am really sorry for coming at you all like this but I don't know what else to do. If this is breaking the forum rules I deeply apologize and hope that you can understand my circumstances.
On a better note, I hope to have a computer setup in the next week or two. I see ALOT of things have changed since I have been out, and it might take a little bit to get back into the swing of things, but hope to be contributing again soon.
Thank you all for everything that you do.
Sincerely,
crawrj
Theres 10 bucks to get you started need another 5,000 people I guess
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Theres 10 bucks to get you started need another 5,000 people I guess
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Thank you very much. And that is 4,999
Sorry to hear things are so rough dude. Hope everything works out for ya, and I'll see if I have anything to spare in PayPal. Good luck man
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Thank you for the kind words and support.
At first I thought this was a joke.
Unfortunately, I realized it wasn't. It may or may not be against "forum" rules, but it's definitely against "things that are done" rules. Seriously, coming onto a smartphone forum/community and hitting the public up for 50 THOUSAND dollars???
Wow.. I don't really know what to say. I guess this may be the only way to explain it:
This week, I'm moving into a MUCH smaller home, because I seriously fell behind on my house note, and yes, the bank repossessed it, and it sucks, and it is happening all over the place. I did my best to come up with the shortage (the bank wanted the full amount, so it was more than 50k), but finally, I accepted my fate and am trying to get through a tough situation by dealing with the things I can control, and disregarding the things I cannot. However, throughout the last ~4 months I tried to save the house, not ONCE did the thought ever even enter my brain that it'd be an OK idea to come on XDA (or any social site for that matter) and flat-out ask other people to give me THEIR money so I could solve MY problem. I just don't get that at all.
Look, I'm sorry you're having a rough time: I really am....
But this isn't the place to ask for financial aid. Man up and deal with it the best you can, and keep the talk around here about Android, and Roms, and ICS, and yadayadayada.... That's what it's meant for, nothing else.
Just my 2 cents.
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yourbrotherrex said:
At first I thought this was a joke.
Unfortunately, I realized it wasn't. It may or may not be against "forum" rules, but it's definitely against "things that are done" rules. Seriously, coming onto a smartphone forum/community and hitting the public up for 50 THOUSAND dollars???
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He didn't ask for 50,000 dollars. He said that was what he needed to save his house. If it was someone else, any of the contributors in this community I would have not even given it a thought. But given the amount of time he has spent here and the things that he has done I could stand to give a couple bucks. I can already tell you the likely hood of making the amount in donations from people who have used his work or been helped by him is not going to happen. That doesn't mean the freeloaders can't chip in.
If people want to help out someone who has spent time helping make the E4GT community (and much further back) what it is then they can feel free to donate. If it is seen as something against the rules the moderators will deal with it as well.
I need $30,000 to pay off my student loans and another $7,000 to pay off my car! Please donate to me
Anyways sorry to hear about your bad luck. Hopefully things will work them selves out.
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I'm so sorry to hear about your mom's illness and hope she is on the mend and feel for you with your financial issues.
Have you checked into the programs available to homeowners to help with mortgage issues? I don't own a home so I'm not intimately familiar with them but perhaps your lender could point you in the right direction or maybe you could find something via Google.
I hope your situation improves soon. If I find out anything that might assist you I'll pass it along and will keep you and your family in my thoughts.
yourbrotherrex said:
At first I thought this was a joke.
Unfortunately, I realized it wasn't. It may or may not be against "forum" rules, but it's definitely against "things that are done" rules. Seriously, coming onto a smartphone forum/community and hitting the public up for 50 THOUSAND dollars???
Wow.. I don't really know what to say. I guess this may be the only way to explain it:
This week, I'm moving into a MUCH smaller home, because I seriously fell behind on my house note, and yes, the bank repossessed it, and it sucks, and it is happening all over the place. I did my best to come up with the shortage (the bank wanted the full amount, so it was more than 50k), but finally, I accepted my fate and am trying to get through a tough situation by dealing with the things I can control, and disregarding the things I cannot. However, throughout the last ~4 months I tried to save the house, not ONCE did the thought ever even enter my brain that it'd be an OK idea to come on XDA (or any social site for that matter) and flat-out ask other people to give me THEIR money so I could solve MY problem. I just don't get that at all.
Look, I'm sorry you're having a rough time: I really am....
But this isn't the place to ask for financial aid. Man up and deal with it the best you can, and keep the talk around here about Android, and Roms, and ICS, and yadayadayada.... That's what it's meant for, nothing else.
Just my 2 cents.
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I am terribly sorry that you had to go through that and certainly understand your opinion on the matter. I would gladly "man up" if it were only about me. But I have children to consider and I am trying my best to keep them from being impacted by this. And I will do whatever I can to keep that from happening. To me that is "manning up" but that is just my opinion. And maybe you have kids also. I am only stating where I am coming from. Trust me, I don't like this any more than you do. Plus I am not asking for a handout. If someone is capable of loaning me the money I am more than happy to pay it back. So if this offends you or you just simply don't want anything to do with it then please just ignore it. Negative comments aren't necessary.
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I am sorry for what you are going through right now I completely understand and If I could help you out I would. I have only been in the E4GT forums for a few days and from the looks of it you are one of the most well respected people here. I really hope that things start looking up for you. It takes a REAL MAN to admit that you need help, and for that I applaud you.
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I'm so sorry to hear about your mom's illness and hope she is on the mend and feel for you with your financial issues.
Have you checked into the programs available to homeowners to help with mortgage issues? I don't own a home so I'm not intimately familiar with them but perhaps your lender could point you in the right direction or maybe you could find something via Google.
I hope your situation improves soon. If I find out anything that might assist you I'll pass it along and will keep you and your family in my thoughts.
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Thank you very much. Yes I have exhausted every option.
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I am sorry for what you are going through right now I completely understand and If I could help you out I would. I have only been in the E4GT forums for a few days and from the looks of it you are one of the most well respected people here. I really hope that things start looking up for you. It takes a REAL MAN to admit that you need help, and for that I applaud you.
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Thank you.
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I'm really sorry to hear about your financial troubles, and I hope everything takes a turn for the positive for you and your family. I do agree that this is most definitely not the place to be coming to for help like this but you know something? I would do the exact same thing if I was in your shoes so f*ck 'em. It takes a real man to swallow his pride and ask for help especially among your peers that have as much respect for you as this forum does. It shows that you are humble and will do what you can to take care of your family, even it just means asking a bunch of anonymous internetters for a little help. Unfortunately, all I can offer you are these words, so I wish you the best of luck and again I hope things turn around for you.
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I am terribly sorry that you...... anything to do with it then please just ignore it. Negative comments aren't necessary.
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Okay, fair enough. Maybe I was just venting my frustration over losing almost 10 years of equity.. I DO know what you're going through though... If you do come to the realization that the mortgage isn't going to be extended, and it does go in to repossession, I CAN give you a lot of good advice on how to still occupy the home for a lot longer than you might think. The bank will make it sound like they're gonna kick you out on the street. They can't do that, if you take advantage of a few laws that they must abide by. You can do all this without a lawyer, if you'd like more details, pm me. (For example, my house was sold back to the bank in November, but for a while, it looked like they were going to allow me to reinstate my mortgage.. That didn't end up happening, and I'm moving this week, but it's been almost 7 months since the house was actually repossessed, and STILL not one person from the bank has demanded that we leave.. That's a lot of time to get a new head start, even if you can't save your home... Like I said, PM me if you need that kind of advice.
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I'm really sorry to hear about your financial troubles, and I hope everything takes a turn for the positive for you and your family. I do agree that this is most definitely not the place to be coming to for help like this but you know something? I would do the exact same thing if I was in your shoes so f*ck 'em. It takes a real man to swallow his pride and ask for help especially among your peers that have as much respect for you as this forum does. It shows that you are humble and will do what you can to take care of your family, even it just means asking a bunch of anonymous internetters for a little help. Unfortunately, all I can offer you are these words, so I wish you the best of luck and again I hope things turn around for you.
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Thank you. It is appreciated.
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Okay, fair enough. Maybe I was just venting my frustration over losing almost 10 years of equity.. I DO know what you're going through though... If you do come to the realization that the mortgage isn't going to be extended, and it does go in to repossession, I CAN give you a lot of good advice on how to still occupy the home for a lot longer than you might think. The bank will make it sound like they're gonna kick you out on the street. They can't do that, if you take advantage of a few laws that they must abide by. You can do all this without a lawyer, if you'd like more details, pm me. (For example, my house was sold back to the bank in November, but for a while, it looked like they were going to allow me to reinstate my mortgage.. That didn't end up happening, and I'm moving this week, but it's been almost 7 months since the house was actually repossessed, and STILL not one person from the bank has demanded that we leave.. That's a lot of time to get a new head start, even if you can't save your home... Like I said, PM me if you need that kind of advice.
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I certainly understand and appreciate the help. I will definitely take you up on that offer if it comes down to that.
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I am very sorry to hear. I wish I could just up and email you saying here is the $50000.00. You have done a lot for this community. If I can come acorss anything I will help, but unfortunatly my finances are strapped due to not getting my full commission.
I hope everything goes well and I keep youand your mom in my prayers.
Thank you for everything you have contributed.
Not to sound like a d-bag, but if your in such dire straits why are you worrying about getting a computer and deving? That sound like you have your priorities all wrong. You shouldn't be worrying about a computer at all unless it makes you money in some way or fashion. I do appreciate all the work you've done for us but really you should get all this sorted before you even think about contributing again.
Just my two cents.
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I say screw all the naysayers. The fact that you're coming out to the community for help just shows how desperate situations may be. I'm not in the best of positions right now myself, but next Friday (pay day) I'll chip in. Even if it's $10, I'm sure you can use it more than I would. Good luck and I wish you well.
Why's everyone rude here? Developers of ROMs don't spend hours of hard work just to be dissed. Yo. They do it because its something they mildly enjoy/want to do and wanna contribute. Being rude makes them want to not do this for us. You all can feel free to learn C, Java, C++ and the Linux command line and make us a flawless build. Although most of us aren't really capable of this. Myself included. So next time you wanna complain because something doesn't work, remember, they have lives too. Bug reports are fine, just be respectful! You all watched the noob video, right?
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There's a noob video? Missed that one, gonna go watch it lol :thumbup:
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What I really love is when someone fubars their device because they don't even belong trying to modify them and then they get upset noone can help because their lack of reading directions/warnings has left them with a brick.
This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.
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This site should be pay-for-use for non devs, that would eliminate a major amount of 1 time posters and all trolls.
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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I did love it, but not anymore, its been driven out of me by countless insults and utter stupidity that seems to occur constantly. I know its your opinion "some" are to sensitive, but its a personal work I'm sharing, having someone pm me that its an utter waste of time to flash because its a broken pile of....etc is a very personal insult and I see no reason to continue when I get responses like that for my time and effort.
Also, I'm not required to share anything I do, hell I can go pay per build if I feel like it. I did this because people wanted it, and I could provide it, that's all.
Its not making me stop doing something I love, it made me stop loving what I do.
I'm not sure if you dev or not, but really, until you deal with it yourself, you don't really understand where we come from. Some say go f yourselves, others just vanish, and then there's some like me that despite being burned out keep trying make the community happy (and mostly succeeding) and just get to a point where its not worth the insults anymore.
Also I'm sure there are a lot more devs that have been doing this longer then a few months and are maybe used to it.
I don't even own an a100 so its not like I just happened to have made something and shared it, I built it just for the community, I'll never run it myself.
Call it pathetic if you wish, but in my opinion you dunno what you're talking about.
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I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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haoleflip said:
I go through this almost every day actually. Maybe not making ROMs or developing programs for phones, but I have unruly people who comment and criticize my work all day long. It all goes in one ear and out the other because I know that some people are just like that and aren't thankful. I also know that I am good at what I do and that over the past few years I have pleased A LOT more people than I've disgruntled. I guess it has a lot to do with how different people cope with different things. With me, logic trumps emotion and it's very hard for me to take someone saying " your work sucks and you're a [email protected]" seriously lol. If someone pmed me and said my ROM is "an utter waste of time to flash and its broken," guess what? There's a delete button or I would just ignore it. There's going to be people like this no matter what field of work you're in.
I may not be a dev, but I do know how you feel. Alas, I'd like to say that I personally appreciate and respect you and every other dev here. They do great work for free most of the time and I honestly have no place to complain and neither do these other people. However, they shouldn't be discouraged and want to quit. Whatever happened to the "sticks and stones" rule?
Pay per build? That sounds great and I don't know why no one is doing this. If I were a dev I'd be all over making money for my hard work. Hell, I'd pay for a good ROM. It's totally worth it. But then again, it would be hard to regulate because there would need to be refunds given and stuff like that if people aren't happy lol you just never win as a dev, do you?
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Yes sadly everyone does want something different from any ROM, one will never satisfy all.
Not to get personal but what do you do for work that would subject you to that kind of...feedback? And I just noticed haole lol. Not sure if its what I'm thinking, but I was born in Hawaii, I'm hapa.
Anyways as I said I take it all quite personally, especially now as it was basically a favor for someone who asked me to come back.
That said, on topic again, some people just don't understand the amount of work involved and how calling it trash (this is quite edited ofc) is almost the same a calling me the same thing. They also don't care about the time it takes and just expect it to be given to them, or demand features or additions without considering it may be past the dev's abilities or desire to even do it. It comes down to they think they're entitled to it, when and how they want it, but seen willing to learn to do it themselves.
Also the whole internet mentality of its a screen name, not a person. Insulting pio_masaki isn't the same as standing in front of me and saying the same thing. I disagree with this mentality and prefer to consider it a person, not a screen name. Strangely I'm perfectly fine ignoring some a hole insulting me in person, yet take it personally about a ROM lol.
And pay per build would be quite difficult to implement, especially because it would need tailored per user, the time wouldn't be worth the cost to me, or the cost wouldn't be worth it for the user, I mean figure $10 an hour to build a ROM to be worth my time. User wants a cm10, tablet ui, memory bar added. Takes me 6 hours to implement the changes, sync, build. Would you pay $60 for a ROM for an a100? Not likely. I don't mean you personally, but the average user. They'll just use B1 instead lol. Maybe if I came and installed it for you or something lol
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Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.
I'm not talking about an expensive fee, ever $5 per year would be enough to keep the trolls away, Many years ago people said they'd never pay for torrent sites no look at the state of torrenting. Newsgroups are flourishing while free torrent sites are few and far between and their content is lackluster at best.
I would also be up for allowing devs to have ban powers in their own build threads. These guys do a service 99.9999% of us can't do, they do it for free and they get abuse for it. Keep your device stock if you can't act like an adult for one, and don't modify your device if you are unable to handle the real possibility of it going horribly wrong.
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Felt my rant belonged here. And a note on it, this is not aimed at A100 users, but everywhere on XDA.
Civatio-Retired
Pio-Retired
Linuxsociety-Retired
Waydownsouth-MIA/Retired
These were the major players when it came to ROM development on the A100.
And the general public has annoyed/angered most of them to the point of retirement or quitting.
What is wrong with people today?
I used to love chatting on forums with random people with common interests. Than I came to XDA. I'm not talking to anyone specific here OK, but in general, I've never met a mass gathering of people with common interest that act so hateful, childish, ungrateful, and reduce themselves to petty squabbles on a nearly hourly basis. And I am guilty of these acts of well. We all just need to step back in most situations and ask ourselves can I do this? or aren't I hear to learn and help?
I guess there's no point to my rant...
Looks like it's time to teach myself how to atleast update source.
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heh, people,EVERYWHERE are having issues...its like common descency and respect are things of the past..im a college adjunct proffesor and see some reall asshatery ...end of my rant...sorta..for those who do the hard work,much respect,..take what people say with a grain of salt..
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Most horrible idea I've heard lol. If this happened, no one would come here.....
Also, IN MY OPINION, some devs are too sensitive. There are people in this world who are going to complain and/or expect things they didn't work for themselves. It's just how it is. If I were a dev and people were complaining to me, I'd tell them "go learn how to code your own, then come talk to me." And then go on with my day without it phasing me. I wouldn't quit the work I love and stop sharing things because that one person out of the hundreds decides to complain and doesn't like the way I'm doing things. I've seen it happen, and it's pathetic in my opinion.
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Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.
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Depends on the individual...I completely agree with this. It's just been my personality since I was young (grew up in Brooklyn, NY...you NEED tough skin there). If I'm doing something and one or two don't like it, oh well, I know there's almost 1,000 (in this case a **** load of people!) who do! But oh well...everyone is different...I would find more satisfaction in the fact i'm contributing to the longevity of a device and others are using MY **** somewhere in this world and enjoying it.
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I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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I've come across a random guy at a McDonald's using my ROM before lol
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That's awesome! Must've been a great feeling....
I've never meant anyone with anything I've ever made
That is cool as hell though!
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I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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I try to be kind as possible, I would imagine how all the negative insults would add up and get annoying after a while. I am pretty young and only know enough to use things you devs make and post on here and that's only because i follow directions.But I would like to learn all this stuff and become a dev. Its gotta be pretty cool knowing you make things that hundreds of people use daily
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Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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Just over a hundred on the a100, just over a thousand on the thrive. My last cm10 is over 1020 downloads now. I should charge per download lol
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If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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If you charged per download not as much people would keep downloading every build you put out. I've used almost every single one of the builds you put out, the only other persons ROMs I have used is civato. And if you charged per download I know I wouldn't nearly use as much of your builds as I have. I would only download one of your builds every once in a while, and I don't even know how I would pay you since I don't even have a credit card or debit card or whatever you use to pay online. But if you could manage to keep the amount of downloads you have now while making people pay you would make a lot of money!
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I wouldn't actually do that lol
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I wouldn't actually do that lol
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I figured, I was just saying if you did
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I figured, I was just saying if you did
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Wonder if I can setup some kind get paid per download link or something. Probably wouldn't pay enough to be worth the hassle to people anyways.
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heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Most progress updates happen in IRC chat. irc.freenode.net #lg-optimus-g
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spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Heya, believe it or not we are both coming from the same place. I loved my EVO 3D and hacked it to the max. However, has the months went by the phone's specs were no longer "flagship" quality. As a result, I went with LG OG after much and I mean much research. To your answer it is not empty but it just in hibernation until Jelly Bean is released, which is going to happen at any time very soon for Korean already has it (End of Jan I hope). So the devs are holding back releases for roms until JB but CM and ASOP are all in development as we speak.
Great Link for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2064215
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080610
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2009531
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083320
P.S - It is SOOO much easier to root and unlock this phone compared to our EVO 3D. Even a one click tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2039421
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^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?
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Space, I don't have a wide berth of knowledge to give you, as this is only my 2nd Android smartphone. That said, the development here is severely lacking. There were a lot of hotshots promising things they couldn't deliver early on (like this phone is exactly the same as the Nexus 4, lol). They say all the action happens in IRC but log in there. Try it. Back yet? Didn't learn **** did you? No one talks about development there. It's like a business meeting about more meetings. They talk about what they need to be developing.
In the end, I'm not helping, so I can't really complain, but it's slightly frustrating to have a beast of a phone that no one is improving. Least of all LG. When I've attempted to get information I've been ignored or given the "we don't really know" SLASH "stfu kid" response. If you find good development news I'd love to see it.
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Many of us work, I work full time and have kids. Plus I have several other projects. If you honestly think nothing is getting done, maybe you should check github. Look at the amount of work being done towards cm10.1 for the lgog.
Not all development is ROMs and themes. Most of it happens before you see those ROMs and mods. Sure I could copy paste a rom together on my phone and call it something. Then everyone would think it was so cool, but the fact is it wouldn't be much different then what we already have. Will I build a stock based rom? Yes. Kernels? Yes. Aosp ROMs, yes. Some fancy aroma kitchen sink mod. Yup. Will I be doing this all within a week of getting the device and doing my research on it? Nope. There are like 20 sensors on this phone. Not to mention a ton of testing on kernels, what's bloat, what's a proprietary driver/lib vs source built. You need to remember that all of the development is done in peoples spare time. The phone is fast so no rush making it
Faster. The software is decent and has some decent feature without a lot of annoying issues so no rush there. Battery could be improved but thats mostly usage based. Nothing is crippled on this phone so there isn't exactly a huge rush to fix something on it. That is a good thing. We can pace ourselves and get more creative instead of fixing crap that should work already.
The biggest issue is not being jb+. That is being worked on daily by many people. I plan on helping as well but I agree with most of the devs on waiting for the korean source drop.
Give this phone time and it'll be crawling with flashy things.
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To add on to what Jokersax said, there is alot of development going on, but not as roms. CM10.1 technically works, but there is a bug that wont allow your to see anything on it. Would you like somebody to post it for you to test? We have to get a device tree going, and see what mods from other phones work here, and what we need to chance to get the different roms we build up and going. I am fairly new on the dev scene, but I am working on a rom ATM, just about to get out of the testing phase for my first public build (in the dev section). b-reezy is also working on porting MIUI, removing LG software to make it almost completely AOSP, and getting a few themes on our device, and helping me learn more as I go. We have alot of devs, but between real life events, and the time to make everything work it takes time. How long does a take big companies to get updates out that have dedicated developers? For LG it has been over a year to update one generation of android. Just be happy we can update it before that. Also if you sit enough on IRC you can find stuff (I found a flashable korean rom for our phone that boots, is english, but doesnt have 3g/4g/wifi working and such, so it is not posted here yet), but alot of it is people working in their free time, and all my talk about my work is either in my what do you want in my roms thread under Q&A, where there is already 3 test builds of my rom, and some of us are talking individually, like joker right above me, and b-reezy both talk to me daily on Gtalk the last several days to about 2 weeks for each one of them. And I cant remotely do anything as good as they can. Just wait a month or two then you will be spammed with roms and kernels to use. Try hitting up the Nook Tablet thread and see how development is going on there- I have had it over a year and there isnt even 2 dozen roms for it. It is all a matter on how locked the device is, and the drivers and such for the phone. Also we may be able to port stuff from the Nexus 4 BUT THIS IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME THING! We have a locked boatloader, the nexus doesnt (really big difference for dev work), plus GSM vs. CDMA radios is alot harder to dev for it seems like in the beginning. It is annoying how people complain about dev work not being fast enough yet they dont even remotely understand how any of it works. FYI we will probably have Jellybean on our device before LG releases it. 4.2 is the primary concern for the bigger devs right now. IF ANYBODY CANT FIND OUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT ON IRC JUST ASK, OR EMAIL OR GTALK ME AT [email protected] FOR MINE AND OTHER DEVS LATEST WORK. LET THEM WORK ON IT IN THEIR FREE TIME FOR FREE, AND I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WHILE I AM AT SCHOOL OR WAITING FOR PRACTICE TO START. If you payed these devs then you complain, other than that STFU. There is alot of stuff that goes on that we cant account for ahead of time.
Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.
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Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.
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Ex f'n xactly. I just appreciate anything I can get. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Oh God I hope I said that right!!!
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It's picking up really well. I truly love the beginning of development life for great phones. I also had the evo 3d and enjoyed it grow from cleanrom to jellybean 4.1.
I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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pretty things are soon to come. Just need to gets bugs and such out. My work somewhat, but mostly others devs I have been talking to.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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Agreed. Pressure should be put on LG to update and release source. This is what we need to get more things rolling.
That being said, even though this software is only ICS, this is my first Android that I don't mind stock. I've run all the versions of ZV9 so far and stock deodex with some tweaks runs wonderfully. I'm coming from Touch wiz and Sense systems where they skin and change everything. I'll always be a Vanilla head, but I'm just as stoked to see what LG does with jellybean. This stock software isn't that far from AOSP really.
Also I don't see what the hoopla is about trying to port Nexus 4. This phone has way more potential than that.
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I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
I completely agree. However, is this all that surprising? This is my first LG but it's my understanding they're notoriously bad with updates.
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^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?
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If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..
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are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldent you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?
nickespi said:
are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..
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Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?
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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!
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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!
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I agree with everything you said I just think its easier to be patient when things are kept in perspective. I too am disappointed lg didn't reach they're original promise of jb by December but I'm happy the phone works great and that lg didn't hurt the software TOO MUCH so there isn't problems.
And I'm glad you said you appreciate the devs work I just didn't wanna see the opposite and assumed you were being pushy because you said you agree with that guys post that sounded very demanding just cuz he couldn't see work done on irc.
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