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Is it it a dog for you is it not.
Kind of regrettably, I Started a post. Is ATT Tilt2 a Dog.
I really felt this.
I had recently upgraded my ATT Tilt (original (1)),Tilt1 if you prefer, to ATT Tilt2.
My experience was less than preferable.
While others suggested that I would be happier with another ROM, Black Berry, or (ugh,UGH, can not put in bigger caps) iPhone. I have worked with Windows Mobile, as well as others on this board, before it was a phone.
I think I was issued, initially a piece of crap.
Because of my response to this I had to take some crap.
get some, give some.
My equipment, ATT Tilt2, purchased from Walmart/Lets Talk on Black Friday 2009.
How are you doing?
In love with mine
I was about to post in your previous thread, which I found a fascinating read
I actually bought two, the other for my wife. We both, had been suffering for years, with different Palm devices. I decided on these for two reasons. . .my fat fingers just didn't work with the small keyboard buttons any longer, and it had a MS OS. Like you, have been dealing with MS since DOS5. I knew what I was in for and, I knew I could tweak it. Already using Total Commander and cleanRAM. It's was a little advanced for my wife until I insisted she READ THE MANUAL. She also had an older (Cingular) SIMM. Once we had it changed out even she responded with a "wow, what a difference". We both love our Tilt2s.
Have been reading here for a week and will prolly read for a couple more before I break something I need an assist with. I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts
This is your second or third thread that is basically the same thing. Are you looking for attention or what?
jmarotto said:
I was about to post in your previous thread, which I found a fascinating read
I actually bought two, the other for my wife. We both, had been suffering for years, with different Palm devices. I decided on these for two reasons. . .my fat fingers just didn't work with the small keyboard buttons any longer, and it had a MS OS. Like you, have been dealing with MS since DOS5. I knew what I was in for and, I knew I could tweak it. Already using Total Commander and cleanRAM. It's was a little advanced for my wife until I insisted she READ THE MANUAL. She also had an older (Cingular) SIMM. Once we had it changed out even she responded with a "wow, what a difference". We both love our Tilt2s.
Have been reading here for a week and will prolly read for a couple more before I break something I need an assist with. I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts
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Thank you.
After a couple of months and a final equipment failure, ATT shipped, and I received today a replacement.
I am avoiding, if I can, adding any software soon, like tonight.
My experience so far, with replacement, has been more than I expected.
I work very hard during the week and from Friday evenings into the weekend, I really like to think less.
Before Monday, unless anyone asks about anything specific about this equipment, software, or ROM, I will be rebuilding to test all.
Good Night
kimtyson said:
This is your second or third thread that is basically the same thing. Are you looking for attention or what?
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Momma told me not to pay attention to folks like you.
Don't know why I do?
Maybe you have somthin to say?
I too have been with SouthWesternBell-Wireless-(Cingular) since '96 and I absolutey loved the Service I got, I used to hate how sprint had all the cool phones, I even tryed Sprint for a month awhile and kept my SWB line on just in case, it didn't take long and I Cxd. Then Cingular started coming around with good phones that competed. The Day ATT and Cingular merged is when it all fell to Crap, The service is still good, but the Customer Service is horrible, the care for what the customer wants is horrible, yes we have decent phones but they are almost outdated by the time we get them. I F'ing hate ATT , and am probably after all these years gonna switch to verizon. They deserve to lose everything they have, when they no longer care for the customer, unless you have a stupid iphony which is so easy to use, I say it's for simple minded people that wants square holes for square blocks. As far as the TILT 2, I too went from TILT1 to TILT2 , iskipped the fuse because i felt it was a rushed piece of crap. But I have very little complaints about the TILT2 , and after putting on Mobile Shell and deleteing the bloatware it runs smooth. I only hated it took so long to get it. So to Sum it Up i think the TILT2 is a very good phone if you know how to tweak it, and ATT Sucks. I wish Cingular and there Care would come back !
I pretty much agree with everyone. Came from a Tilt to a Tilt2 (no such thing as Tilt1 people) and I think it's a big improvement. Yes AT&T sucks, but I don't need them or their customer service. XDA is my customer service! The keyboard is way better and you can't complain about a bigger screen and faster processor (though it's still not fast enough, e.g. HD2). No phone really lives up to it's potential straight from the carriers except possibly Android phones. After a new ROM this phone was definitely a keeper for me. Looking forward to an HD2 or even better an HD3 when available though (1.5Ghz processor, Mmmm!).
bwnotredame06 said:
I too have been with SouthWesternBell-Wireless-(Cingular) since '96 and I absolutey loved the Service I got, I used to hate how sprint had all the cool phones, I even tryed Sprint for a month awhile and kept my SWB line on just in case, it didn't take long and I Cxd. Then Cingular started coming around with good phones that competed. The Day ATT and Cingular merged is when it all fell to Crap, The service is still good, but the Customer Service is horrible, the care for what the customer wants is horrible, yes we have decent phones but they are almost outdated by the time we get them. I F'ing hate ATT , and am probably after all these years gonna switch to verizon. They deserve to lose everything they have, when they no longer care for the customer, unless you have a stupid iphony which is so easy to use, I say it's for simple minded people that wants square holes for square blocks. As far as the TILT 2, I too went from TILT1 to TILT2 , iskipped the fuse because i felt it was a rushed piece of crap. But I have very little complaints about the TILT2 , and after putting on Mobile Shell and deleteing the bloatware it runs smooth. I only hated it took so long to get it. So to Sum it Up i think the TILT2 is a very good phone if you know how to tweak it, and ATT Sucks. I wish Cingular and there Care would come back !
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How did you remove the bloatware?
nycny said:
How are you doing?
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So maybe you just want to get the AT&T folks unified or more public. I just don't understand the purpose of this post.
I am doing fine. Thanks for asking.
nycny said:
Momma told me not to pay attention to folks like you.
Don't know why I do?
Maybe you have somthin to say?
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And I bet if you run upstairs out of the basement Momma would tell you more. Go talk to her.
ptgptg said:
How did you remove the bloatware?
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You click the blue letters in my sig and search for "How did you remove the bloatware". Read the Wiki and the stickies, stay on point of the threads (except that this thread has no point), and read before posting your questions.
ptgptg said:
How did you remove the bloatware?
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go to this page , use file explorer and delete all listed, I didn't do the reg edits but it's had no effect at all on performance. it frees like 50mb and makes your device much faster and smoother. You don't have to delete all, also later you can hard reset and bring them all back if you'd like. I hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UninstallingTilt2Software
not easy
kimtyson said:
stay on point of the threads
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This is pretty difficult with ADD and a tabbed browser
look for CrudScrapper. It is an app that removes the bloatware from the Tilt2. Great little app.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637&highlight=crud+scraper
a dog is not necessarily a bad thing and it's really annoying the way you use it, please stop
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
I am going to try to pull these threads together
jcterry said:
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
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When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also when trying to trouble shoot equipment problems.
"Is it plugged in Mam/Sir?", sometimes will sound condescending to a customer who call for help.
For the dog lovers, I love and feel close to my pets also.
Sorry.
I am going to try to pull these threads together
jcterry said:
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
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When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurburbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also.
The only issue i've faced with my tilt 2 is the volume up/down buttons became dislodged then i dropped it one time and they got back in place but now my volume up button doesn't push back, but still works so doesn't bother me that much.
I guess your just having really bad luck. If you bought a new device and received a refurb with the same or worse issues, call back and explain to them that you need a new device because you paid for a new device thats supposed to work, not a refurb replacement.
jmarotto said:
I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing
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and thats the best thing i've read in a while here on xda! haha
nycny said:
When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurburbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also.
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... cool story, bro..
All I read in the forums are complaints about the Evo. I personally don't have a single issue with the phone aside from the awesomeness overdrive. Obviously, people will post/complain more about their issues than those who are completely happy with their phone. But it does skew the image of the Evo for those who happen to stumble on to XDA in hopes of researching the phone for future use. So here's a poll.
bump. i really want to know.
btw. how the frak do i change my signature?
if you can tell, its so damn old!
love it! and no issues!
Best phone I have ever owned or even used for that matter. Few issues but I think most will be solved within a month of release. Pretty damn impressive if u ask me.
Now if HTC would just release the source code we would be in heaven!!!
appzattak said:
love it! and no issues!
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Same here. If there were, I don't notice it and it doesn't bother me at all for me to completely disown this phone.
It's amazing in many ways and there's still plenty of room for improvements. The roms will certainly help this phone get there.
From the HTC Evo!!
How do I feel about the Evo..
Hmmm... EVO-lution. I was one of the very first in line at sprint and I have not put the damn thing down since. Even loosing sleep over it the phone is that awesome!
Eduel80 said:
How do I feel about the Evo..
Hmmm... EVO-lution. I was one of the very first in line at sprint and I have not put the damn thing down since. Even loosing sleep over it the phone is that awesome!
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Glad I'm not the only one. I find myself laying in bed at night doing stuff only to realize the sun is coming up....
Eduel80 said:
How do I feel about the Evo..
Hmmm... EVO-lution. I was one of the very first in line at sprint and I have not put the damn thing down since. Even loosing sleep over it the phone is that awesome!
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Ha! And my wife calls me a nerd and tells me to put it up. At least I'm not the only one.
Well, I haven't touched my laptop since Tuesday...I love it.
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Having this phone is really starting to mess with my circadian rhythm.
I don't feel anything....but there's alot I THINK about it.
I love it. It's the phone I wish I had years ago when the first iPhone came out. I had a Hero before, and I still liked my wifes 3GS, now with the larger screen of the EVO, I don't have that screen-envy anymore. The iPhone just looks tiny and awkward now.
What are the problems people in the poll are talking about? I don't have any issues with mine.
The people that come to this site repent one half of pone half of one percent of evo owners. The people you see here are either either true hackers, heard about how awesome rooting is and want to do it without reading directions, or find us by way of common search term for a specific issue they are having.
The point is, we may hear slot of complaining here, but its because we're part of a vocal and participatory minority.
I have an ipad for work, I had the pre and before that an htc touch pro before a myriad of other phones dating back to the nokia 101. The evo and android are the closest I have ever seen to fulfilling the promise of mobile technology and convenience.
The future is here, and many of the people reading these forums are holding it right now.
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My 2 Cents
I really like the EVO even though it has some issues like the Camera/Video quality for instance but most are mainly Network related so it would be a better experience had it been on T-Mobile...now the Dream/G1 A.K.A Valeria, (I named her that LOL) that's my baby, I love the **** out of that phone and still have it and probably would never get rid of it...many reasons why, it' the 1st Android phone, (so the Mother of all Androids) it's the White version (had it as soon as it was available) it was my first Smartphone and hacked phone from which I learned a little bit of Linux and it was given to me as a present on my Birthday by the love of my life...yea it's official, I'm never getting rid of that phone! Sorry, most of that had nothing to do with the EVO
I love it but my main gripes are the Android Market. Hopefully more devs make more apps or port some over. The app store isn't really organize and I would like to see some spotlighted apps or recommendations based on what apps you have installed.
_Kyros_ said:
I really like the EVO even though it has some issues like the Camera/Video quality for instance but most are mainly Network related so it would be a better experience had it been on T-Mobile...now the Dream/G1 A.K.A Valeria, (I named her that LOL) that's my baby, I love the **** out of that phone and still have it and probably would never get rid of it...many reasons why, it' the 1st Android phone, (so the Mother of all Androids) it's the White version (had it as soon as it was available) it was my first Smartphone and hacked phone from which I learned a little bit of Linux and it was given to me as a present on my Birthday by the love of my life...yea it's official, I'm never getting rid of that phone! Sorry, most of that had nothing to do with the EVO
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I had the g1 too. Learned stuff with that. I had to sell mine to help me pay for this phone. I miss it, but I love the Evo.
From the HTC Evo!!
gqstatus0685 said:
I love it but my main gripes are the Android Market. Hopefully more devs make more apps or port some over. The app store isn't really organize and I would like to see some spotlighted apps or recommendations based on what apps you have installed.
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Yeah. The market needs to go through a major makeover. Some apps are crappy. Needs for categories.. etc. I don't even bother browsing through it. I just search and go.
From the HTC Evo!!
I love my phone....I been hoping to run into someone who has a iPhone so I can say ...hhhhhhaaaaaaa hhhhaaaaa!!!
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Oh my goodness, I can't get over how slim and light the Nexus is and how beautiful the screen is!
I almost got a G2 a couple days ago so I understand. Might still get one or a nexus 2.
Sent from my supersonic.
you should be posting in the Nexus s section lol enjoy the phone
Lol...the sharks.
Sent from my supersonic.
I'm going to wait a few weeks and see if there's any chance of a Sprint Nexus S. If not, I'll probably get it too. T-Mo is as cheap and even with a regular 3G radio under HSPA it's much faster than Sprint's 3G.
You'll all be back when the next version of the Evo comes out. ;-)
Award Tour said:
I'm going to wait a few weeks and see if there's any chance of a Sprint Nexus S. If not, I'll probably get it too. T-Mo is as cheap and even with a regular 3G radio under HSPA it's much faster than Sprint's 3G.
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This is true. And the individual plans are pretty much the same now. Sprint needs a nexus. But the knight is coming soon. Its basically the G2 with sense.
Sent from my supersonic.
My contract was exactly the same price. The only difference now is that I have 1500 "anytime" minutes as opposed to Sprint's unlimited mobile-to-mobile (which I can live without).
not bashing anyone that get's the nexus S but i messed with a buddies and imho it feels samsungish cheap and plastic i DO love the screen and how the phone has a slight curve
+ 1
smarmytime said:
You'll all be back when the next version of the Evo comes out. ;-)
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Swyped from Eva running Myn's RLS4!
If only it wasn't a Samsung, though having Google involved should speed up the response time on software fixes.
No thanks, its definately not a phone worth jumping carriers for...Actually I dont think that type of phone exists. Its a minor improvement to the epic, on a crap network. I aint missing out on anything, however there is a dual core 1.5 gz monster that is going to appear in a few weeks......(cough *Evo2*cough) and that will be exciting to see. Nexus S, not so much.
Yea, made by Samsung killed any excitement I had for this phone right away! I would like to play with one in person to check out the screen, the curve and of course 2.3
But the only phone that made me consider jumping carriers was the g2, even then I couldn't see it, but definitely not for anythign Samsung. I do hope being a google dev phone that it is still somewhat as successful as the n1 was... for the sake of androids future.
Rippley05 said:
Yea, made by Samsung killed any excitement I had for this phone right away! I would like to play with one in person to check out the screen, the curve and of course 2.3
But the only phone that made me consider jumping carriers was the g2, even then I couldn't see it, but definitely not for anythign Samsung. I do hope being a google dev phone that it is still somewhat as successful as the n1 was... for the sake of androids future.
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Not sure if thats gonna happen. People are already calling BS on TMO for claiming that its really not unlocked....even though best buy said it is....So people are ending up paying alot more for it than they expected....Shame on TMO. lol
Congrats on the phone! Like many others said, it is unfortunate that it is a Samsung, hopefully Google backs it well. Unfortunately, with every Samsung phone I have ever had the hardware was complete crap, always had problems. AND I find it interesting that the phone came out today and there still is not a root method for the phone. I remember before the Evo even came out we had a root method. I think that this shows something for the developer in interest in the phone itself. Only time will tell and I may be proved wrong, but so far its not looking too good.
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Congrats on the phone! Like many others said, it is unfortunate that it is a Samsung, hopefully Google backs it well. Unfortunately, with every Samsung phone I have ever had the hardware was complete crap, always had problems. AND I find it interesting that the phone came out today and there still is not a root method for the phone. I remember before the Evo even came out we had a root method. I think that this shows something for the developer in interest in the phone itself. Only time will tell and I may be proved wrong, but so far its not looking too good.
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epic was also rooted before its release.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=479959#post479959
its rooted
swaze said:
epic was also rooted before its release.
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Hmmm not sure what your trying to say here. That is pretty interesting maybe I am wrong about support but in just black and white it seems like thats the case.
It is Samsung ... but it's also the only Samsung phone I'd even consider buying. Gotta agree though, got a good thing going with the Evo and Sprint is great around here - so it wouldn't make sense to switch phones ... let alone a carrier. And even if T-Mo speeds are faster on 3G than Sprints ... depending on coverage, that still doesn't excuse the lack of HSPA+ or no SD Card ... I dunno. I still hear people complaining about signal / reception with T-Mo. Just doesn't really make sense when you think of what is around the corner.
There will always be better phones. Always. But there will only be one (annual) true Google phone. That's it's main selling point for me. Everything Google (and a lot of top 3rd party developers) makes in 2011 will be based on the Nexus S.
I knew there was going to be Bloatware.. Here it is the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will have bloat ware click here. I tried to tell some and i would get slammed when ever i did. If it also hits Tmo or Att, expect the same. The days of bloat free Nexus devices is over.. Im definitely Importing mines now. !
Now mind you i am importing mines soi expect none, but the fact that the verizon version has the Nexus brand name and it has bloat/rear branding horrifies me. its a disgrace
Look at what i just found. while not official it makes sense. One of the bloatware APK's not playing nice with ICS.. SMH
What is going on here, Google?
Unless the definition of what a Nexus phone is supposed to represent has changed, why is Google buckling to Verizon?
There's a Verizon logo on the back of the device too.
looks like the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is exactly that... a Verizon Galaxy Nexus.
You could argue that the two apps are not considered "bloatware", but I agree with OP - it's a slippery slope.
But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary. It WOULD be interesting to see what exactly is going on behind the scenes from Verizon/Google (the initial deal, the delays, and the negotiating).
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But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary.
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but you can't remove them. you can only hide them.
Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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keatre said:
You could argue that the two apps are not considered "bloatware", but I agree with OP - it's a slippery slope.
But, since we'll be able to remove them anyways, I dont think the 'sky is falling' is quite necessary. It WOULD be interesting to see what exactly is going on behind the scenes from Verizon/Google (the initial deal, the delays, and the negotiating).
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you cant remove them.. just stop and hide i believe
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Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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wow great point...
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but you can't remove them. you can only hide them.
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Out of the box, you are right. My apologies, I meant to say - give it 2 weeks, and you will not see them. With the large dev community backing the device, any bloatware, annoying searchbox, or other change you'd like will most likely surface soon.
That doesn't change the fact that it was placed on the device in the first place, which I think is the initial complaint of the OP and many others. If a Nexus device cannot keep carrier apps away, little hope is left for any other device.
Damn. Unbelievable. Goodbye Nexus program. It was fun while it lasted.
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Not the biggest thing in the world, but how does this suggest firmware updates? Does Google send updates to Verizon so they can tweak it before releasing? Does this mean well be at the mercy of Verizon to release updates? This kinda defeats the purpose of a Nexus phone whose updates come directly from Google.
Damn this phone looks worse and worse today. Wifi Death Grip, now the possibility of delayed or lack of speedy updates. Ouch.
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The first I've heard of lack of updates from Google is the speculation from this post...I don't think there's a reason to worry until this is actually confirmed as fact.
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Damn. Unbelievable. Goodbye Nexus program. It was fun while it lasted.
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Im glad I didn't jump to it. Which I knew I wouldn't cause its Samsung. Explains allot.
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i'd say it's pretty indicative that updates will have to go through Verizon first. Android updates have always had to go through the carrier if they have insisted on their own bloatware to be preinstalled.
considering a lot of peopel consider those 2 apps useful, its still not a deal breaker.
still, as it hasn't been stated anywhere yet, it's just speculating and rumor-mongering
Enjoy your verizon curated updates!
(p.s. this started with the Nexus S 4G)
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Enjoy your verizon curated updates!
(p.s. this started with the Nexus S 4G)
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Yes, this is what you get with a carrier-subsidized phone.
None of the other Nexus phones were sold/distributed by carriers. That is why they had no bloat. The sim-free Galaxy Nexus is also not a carrier phone. It will have no bloat.
If you don't want carrier crapware, don't get a carrier phone. Oh, your carrier doesn't allow any phones on their network that they didn't sell? Well get a new carrier. F***ing CDMA ****e.
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I knew there was going to be Bloatware.. Here it is the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will have bloat ware click here. I tried to tell some and i would get slammed when ever i did. If it also hits Tmo or Att, expect the same. The days of bloat free Nexus devices is over.. Im definitely Importing mines now. !
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Did you even bother reading the article? Christ, you probably should so you don't seem like a complete idiot posting threads like this.
1 of the apps is the My Verizon application, which also allows you to put a widget on your desktop of your phone to monitor data usage (rather useful IMHO). This is hardly bloatware...
The other application is the Backup Assistant application, which allows you to backup your contact information to Verizon's online database, and would allow you to easily, and quickly, transfer your contacts from 1 phone to another without having to transfer them manually.
All things said, these are hardly bloatware applications (like the blockbuster app, or the vcast application). In fact, the article even makes MENTION of the fact that these really aren't bloatware.
Over-exaggeration on your part totally.
Fastboot OEM unlock. Bloatware is gone.
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I guess "Don't Be Evil" is now "Sure, for how much money?"
Still no launch date for USA, LTE or GSM? Check.
One of the worst launches I've ever seen? Check.
Complete lack of communication with you most fanatical base?. Check.
Complete lack of communication with everyone else? Check.
Bloatware on the Nexus line? Check.
What a shame. I wish we could post to Google where they would have to read it.
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Did you even bother reading the article? Christ, you probably should so you don't seem like a complete idiot posting threads like this.
1 of the apps is the My Verizon application, which also allows you to put a widget on your desktop of your phone to monitor data usage (rather useful IMHO). This is hardly bloatware...
The other application is the Backup Assistant application, which allows you to backup your contact information to Verizon's online database, and would allow you to easily, and quickly, transfer your contacts from 1 phone to another without having to transfer them manually.
All things said, these are hardly bloatware applications (like the blockbuster app, or the vcast application). In fact, the article even makes MENTION of the fact that these really aren't bloatware.
Over-exaggeration on your part totally.
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sorry pal these are all things you can do without the need of there bloat. remember the galaxy nexus already comes with a data usage monitoring tool.!
http://m.latinospost.com/articles/7947/20121208/samsung-galaxy-s2-jelly-bean-update-brings.htm
Wtf?
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Bull****
i knew i was signing up for this crap when i bought this phone
samsung usually treats their customer like crap by not giving out updates when theyre suppose to be given out..
that was the case for sgh t989, that is the case for us, on sgh t889
It's tmobile not samsung, seems like people have to say this everyday
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I really, really think its gots nothing to do with Samsung, and everything with TMo. The international S3, Note 2 (note 1?), the Verizon note 2, the sprint note 2 and now the S2 have all got it, or about to get it.
TMobile? Not a word.
Yes it is tmobile its not samsung. I just find it amazing that we cant get an update period and all these old phones are getting it...I mean its just backwards. I understand that it takes time for tmobile to port over updates and what not...but this is stupid.
I mean the note 2 is where multiview CAME from and we dont have it ON OUR NOTE 2'S
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This is getting completely stupid and I'm generally a patient person. I'd still be patient but for the fact that the other carriers have released multiple OTA's while T-Mo can't manage to pump even one out. Hell, it would be cool it they even leaked it so we could unofficially beta if we so desired.
I contacted T-Mo's support on Twitter, and they responded with something like "we are working closely with Samsung, etc and stay tuned."
I reminded them it's not Samsung that's the delay - it's T-Mobile. They conveniently didn't respond.
I'm new to T-Mo and don't like the way things are going so far. WTF is their delay??
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I contacted T-Mo's support on Twitter, and they responded with something like "we are working closely with Samsung, etc and stay tuned."
I reminded them it's not Samsung that's the delay - it's T-Mobile. They conveniently didn't respond.
I'm new to T-Mo and don't like the way things are going so far. WTF is their delay??
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prolly working hard to integrate carrier iq so they can spy on us
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prolly working hard to integrate carrier iq so they can spy on us
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Enough of the carrieriq conspiracy theories... seriously, you can just disable it.
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Enough of the carrieriq conspiracy theories... seriously, you can just disable it.
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Cospiracy theory ? Watch this video bro. Iq agent queried https which is supposed to be encrypted and was successful and also reported a text the guy sent in plain text on the report which T-mobile said they don't do . And *I* can't disable it because im not rooted. So it is a definite concern for me. Serious watch this . Dude runs a real time log cat and CarrierIQ runs code for every button pushed as well as each number dialed on the dial pad . This is even more than *I* thought it did. Scary stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T17XQI_AYNo#!
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Cospiracy theory ? Watch this video bro. Iq agent queried https which is supposed to be encrypted and was successful and also reported a text the guy sent in plain text on the report which T-mobile said they don't do . And *I* can't disable it because im not rooted. So it is a definite concern for me. Serious watch this . Dude runs a real time log cat and CarrierIQ runs code for every button pushed as well as each number dialed on the dial pad . This is even more than *I* thought it did. Scary stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T17XQI_AYNo#!
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Just go to settings > Back up and reset > Collect diagnostics and uncheck "allow diagnostics"
Taken from CIQ thread in the Q&A section.
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Not nearly as bad as Verizon and Motorola..... Had a Bionic that took a year to get ICS and had a bootloader with military grade encryption.
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Just go to settings > Back up and reset > Collect diagnostics and uncheck "allow diagnostics"
Taken from CIQ thread in the Q&A section.
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They can actually cut this back on when you clearly unchecked it. Don't know if it was because of reboot or they saw it when I was arguing about my bill.
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Cospiracy theory ? Watch this video bro. Iq agent queried https which is supposed to be encrypted and was successful and also reported a text the guy sent in plain text on the report which T-mobile said they don't do . And *I* can't disable it because im not rooted. So it is a definite concern for me. Serious watch this . Dude runs a real time log cat and CarrierIQ runs code for every button pushed as well as each number dialed on the dial pad . This is even more than *I* thought it did. Scary stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T17XQI_AYNo#!
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1) you should be scared if you are doing something that you aren't supposed to be doing
2) They really can't use any personal information (that's against their privacy policy and if someone did find out, they'd get the **** sued out of them, especially in this litigation-happy country).
3) You can turn it off... which, if you did a simple search on these forums has been posted at least 5 times by now (I've personally seen at least 3 posts about it)
4) The video you posted is by the original "discoverer" of CarrierIQ. The software itself is programmable, meaning we don't know exactly what T-Mobile is collecting, many phone simply have it to note mundane things like signal strength, etc. Also, here's an article on the guy who blew the whistle:
http://www.dailytech.com/Carrier+IQ...hart+Works+for+Tracking+Firm/article23511.htm
As many have known for a while now (it's been almost a year, and no one has died). It's hype and poor implementation by HTC (which has also been discussed on previous "OMG CARRIERIQ" threads).
I'm just tired of the sensationalism that surrounds CarrierIQ.
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They can actually cut this back on when you clearly unchecked it. Don't know if it was because of reboot or they saw it when I was arguing about my bill.
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Hmm, interesting, mine's still checked off, since the day I bought the phone (10/29). I don't think T-Mobile has the power to be able to re-toggle a switch that a user explicitly un-toggled... not to mention this is one phone that has it, imagine having to code that up for all phones and adding it to their system, etc. Even if they did, the information they collect really has nothing to do with you and you should have no worries unless you're doing something "illegal" like tethering your laptop without a hotspot plan, although that's probably caught by their backend servers sniffing your packets using pattern recognition software which is the same software that Google uses to direct ads to you on gmail based on your e-mail contents, but I don't hear many people complaining about that... maybe because it's "free"... (Go here to see the real "price" of Google: https://www.google.com/settings/ads/onweb, it's google's ad preference manager which tells you who Google things you are and what you're interested in, so they can sell that info to advertisers)
Ok my issue with lack of updates is lack of communication. T-Mobile clearly has an agenda for when it plans to release the update. Perhaps one big update turning on LTE, 4.2, etc some have speculated, but to reply something so generic is what's annoying. Finally people this is America's, hell this is planet earth. Do you REALLY think carrier iq is preventing companies and government from seeing or doing anything that they choose? Please don't be so comfortable in your false safety nets.......Lol at removing and disabling carrier iq lol trust if they need to know something, record audio, take pictures from your phone without your knowledge it's been done
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I think they are talking about the internatinal s2 and s3 in that article. From what I heard and I could be wrong the international note 2 already has the multiwindow thats how we got it ported over. Everything over here in the good old U.S. of A ( land of the free home of the brave) bulcrap always comes way after the rest of the world. If google went with samsung for there newestr nexus device I would have went that way but I just cant do lg. My first android phoine was the g2x and I lucked out and got one of the good ones but with all the problems and lack of support by LG and tmo left a bad tast in my mouth. BUt I really with samsung would make a AOSP note 2 like the g2x but it will never happen.
The flip side of this is we have some real kick ass devs in the tmo fourm alone and I am sure that the rest of the carriers have them too a phone like this is bound to attact the best of the best. If you look in the dev only sub fourm we have some eleite recongnized devs working together now. So with that and the fact that all the different varents are so close in similarity we will have some real good stuff. Dont worry about what tmo and samsung does we will do what we always do which is do it ourselves. Or i should say the devs will do it themselves people like me will support them in any way possible.
\peace
I spoke to a representative from Samsung today, and a rep from Korea. They said we should be getting the multi window update very very soon. Basically waiting for tmobile to shoot out the OTA.
Check your phones over the next week or so, because it should start coming out.
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Ok my issue with lack of updates is lack of communication. T-Mobile clearly has an agenda for when it plans to release the update. Perhaps one big update turning on LTE, 4.2, etc some have speculated, but to reply something so generic is what's annoying. Finally people this is America's, hell this is planet earth. Do you REALLY think carrier iq is preventing companies and government from seeing or doing anything that they choose? Please don't be so comfortable in your false safety nets.......Lol at removing and disabling carrier iq lol trust if they need to know something, record audio, take pictures from your phone without your knowledge it's been done
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I understand your point ' it means international phones'
But.man please...we dont even have it and other OLD phones are getting it. Its just backwards.
I mean I dont give a left foot about it because IVE had multiview for about a month. Its just the fact of the matter is its messed up
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You guys need to read about an agency called the NSA.
I've got news for you. All of you are being monitored. Every single phone call and text message is analyzed by them and there's not a thing you can do about it.
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