Hey guys, I have a question: if i upgrade to a new version, let say gmail, is the whole program replaced by the new one?, because the old one is a couple of MB and the new one too.
I was just wandering, about the limit of the phones memmory.
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It just overwrite the App, because if the upgrade would replace it you won't be able to choose reinstall the update.
Matteo
copyer said:
Hey guys, I have a question: if i upgrade to a new version, let say gmail, is the whole program replaced by the new one?, because the old one is a couple of MB and the new one too.
I was just wandering, about the limit of the phones memmory.
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Ignore the person above. They clearly have no idea. It will install as a user app and link itself to the normal system app.
It WONT overwrite the original it will just install as a normal app and show up instead of the original.
benjamingwynn said:
Ignore the person above. They clearly have no idea. It will install as a user app and link itself to the normal system app.
It WONT overwrite the original it will just install as a normal app and show up instead of the original.
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That's true. For example when you update to new market. You can revert back to the stock one with one click: remove updates or someting. Old market then must be still in the phone.
So what your saying is: the old version is stil there somewhere?
If this is the case, the phone's memory is much fuller than its need to be... en we all know that there isnt mucht memory to begin with.
can we get rid of the old versions?
What i do is check the market for all updates, then delete all old versions from my system using titanium backup and then clean up dalvik.
Then download and install the newer updated versions of the apps i removed.
Then back to titanium backup and convert the updated apps to system apps that way i have the latest versions without needing updates using precious space.
Must be rooted.
no chance to do that, bcause stil s-on
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Hi all,
I started using android from build 5/10 onwards and can notice the improvements substantially till 6/16.
My problem is that each time a new build comes out I have to delete my data.img thereby losing all my installed apps and their data. The apps can be re-installed easily but the data is lost.
My question/solution is that is it possible to buy one of the backup apps available on the store (titanium backup or mybackup pro) and then back up the data to the sd card and when a new build comes along just restore the data from the backup.
If anyone has experience with using these apps for upgrading builds easily I would like to use this experience before spending money on these apps.
thanks,
tovarish.
I can't imagine a backup program not introducing even more problems than before. Can't you just backup the .apk files in the Android apps folder?
I am more concerned with saving my data and settings than the actual apks. They can always be installed easily.
It is a pain to re enter all my detialed setup again.
tovarish said:
Hi all,
I started using android from build 5/10 onwards and can notice the improvements substantially till 6/16.
My problem is that each time a new build comes out I have to delete my data.img thereby losing all my installed apps and their data. The apps can be re-installed easily but the data is lost.
My question/solution is that is it possible to buy one of the backup apps available on the store (titanium backup or mybackup pro) and then back up the data to the sd card and when a new build comes along just restore the data from the backup.
If anyone has experience with using these apps for upgrading builds easily I would like to use this experience before spending money on these apps.
thanks,
tovarish.
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Ummm I dont seem to have this problem at all
I just use the uninstall menu in WM then install the new cab and its great, apps settings etc all OK. When you use the uninstall it leaves the required files AFAIK.
I am speaking about installing apps in android when a new build comes out. How can the old settings and data be migrated to the new android build.
I see that we have a new build already 6/23.
tovarish
Why not just download the latest rootfs, zimage and modules and replace them? I'm doing that since a few months and this way your settings etc will be saved.
Maybe this has disadvantages aswel but it works for me
ps this is just a work around of your question and I would still like to know if there is such a program.
tovarish said:
I am speaking about installing apps in android when a new build comes out. How can the old settings and data be migrated to the new android build.
I see that we have a new build already 6/23.
tovarish
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So am I.
I install the XDandroid cab, install my apps etc. Then when a new Cab is released I boot in to Windows and use the uninstall function, uninstall Android and then install the new xdandroid cab all previously installed app etc are still there.
Ah so the data.img file that is created need not be deleted when a new build comes along.
I use the rar file instead of the cab file.
Thanks for all you answers,
tovarish
The tread says it all, So I rooted my phone and uninstalled amazon mp3 and city id via titanium backup. What will happen when I go to update in the future. Is there a way to add these applications back without doing any flashing?
What are my options to be able to update via OTA without having any issues?
I have tried moving the cityid.apk to the system/app folder and installed it from there, but it just installed as a normal application that can be removed.. I figured that I need to install it as a system application. I now know that I should have just renamed them.
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Droid Incredible 2.2 Froyo (root unrevoked)
Snake42490 said:
The tread says it all, So I rooted my phone and uninstalled amazon mp3 and city id via titanium backup. What will happen when I go to update in the future. Is there a way to add these applications back without doing any flashing?
What are my options to be able to update via OTA without having any issues?
I have tried moving the cityid.apk to the system/app folder and installed it from there, but it just installed as a normal application that can be removed.. I figured that I need to install it as a system application. I now know that I should have just renamed them.
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Droid Incredible 2.2 Froyo (root unrevoked)
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Amazon MP3 is in the Market. You should have rooted, used ROM Manager to back up your system, and then removed bloat. Most ROM's have these items removed, some still use CityID or another version that does the same thing.
My suggestion is if you are rooted, you can backup your apps and such, just run another ROM.
I couldn't find CityID in the Market, but various ROM postings may have the apk for download if you wanted to re-add it. I would check those postings to see if it is listed there, and make a directory to move the files to if you think you may need them again! Prevents headaches, especially if they are needed due to corruption or something weird.
Correct me if I am wrong, the only reason I wanted to restore these applications was so I could update when honeycomb or whatever the new Update is going to be.
With that being said, could I just downgrade my phone using the PB31IMG.zip , that would wipe everything out.. removing root, and it would bring back original files that were on phone ( city id etc.) then the phone would automatically update itself over the air? problem solved?
You could just run ruu on it if I'm not wrong
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Well now I am really confused, the cityid.apk file just randomly showed back up in the browser... so i went and looked and it says it's a system app and wont let me uninstall it now... haha... this is so weird, so now I just need to find the original amazon mp3 then i will put it back in there and see if that works.
Is anyone able to get the Amazon Mp3.apk and upload it and send to me. I would like to get the one that originally came with my phone. Version 1.7.67 it is the one that came with stock froyo
https://www.facebook.com/htcuk/posts/226147870748035
To resolve Desire's memory issue and enable the upgrade to Gingerbread, we will cut select apps from the release. Look for status updates starting next week. We apologize for any confusion.
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I'm afraid we have heaps of these threads already
our suggestion is to cut the crap (like quick office) and other stuff that is available on the market, and i'd suggest pushing stuff like stocks to htc hub so its optional not forced
Hmmm...
1. Just remove all apps, which available in Android market, we can download them for ourselves.
2. Several live wallpapers can be also removed, for example waveform, spectrum,VU meter, Many,etc.
Lothaen said:
I'm afraid we have heaps of these threads already
our suggestion is to cut the crap (like quick office) and other stuff that is available on the market, and i'd suggest pushing stuff like stocks to htc hub so its optional not forced
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Moving HTC apps to the Hub is a very good idea and one that HTC should really think of themselves
Any update is good, devs just need the base, im sure we will make some uber ROMS off their "release"
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Moving HTC apps to the Hub is a very good idea and one that HTC should really think of themselves
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gets rid of the junk that the average joe or jane doesn't want too...
live wallpapers can be moved there too and installed when you wish (they could of course leave one default one perhaps)
flahplayer plugin its pretty big as well, not needed anymore.
Guys, are you giving advices to htc devs that reading here? lol
i posted my thoughts on the fb page and tweeted but i still doubt they read...
i think the problem will be what can they remove without the majority of people noticing and/or confusing the really basic of users.
like they won't be able to remove facebook without another outcry (some people probably don't know how to use market?)
OTA Update After Rooting
I just Rooted my Desire now I am running GingerVillan 2.5.
I enabled A2SD making ext3 partition of 512 MB and 32 MB Swap on SD card.
However as now the news just came out that There will be gingerbread for Desire
so as I made Full System Image using Nandroid backup, will it be safe to restore that Image and get OTA update when it is available.
They should show a dialog windows after the first reboot following the update and ask if the user want download from the market the missing app, flash player, facebook, maps, youtube...selecting the apps to download..like cyanogenmod does after the first installation
the problem is that in some country some apps are not avalilable in their market..
but..i don't think they will do this..because after removing and restalling that apps will lost its data, setting, preferences ecc..So probably they will just remove some of their app, wallpapers, weather animation, ecc (separate download on htc hub for example, in case of sense 2.1 )
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They should show a dialog windows after the first reboot following the update and ask if the user want download from the market the missing app, flash player, facebook, maps, youtube...selecting the apps to download..like cyanogenmod does after the first installation
the problem is that in some country some apps are not avalilable in their market..
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good point - some countrys the market isnt available?
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I just Rooted my Desire now I am running GingerVillan 2.5.
I enabled A2SD making ext3 partition of 512 MB and 32 MB Swap on SD card.
However as now the news just came out that There will be gingerbread for Desire
so as I made Full System Image using Nandroid backup, will it be safe to restore that Image and get OTA update when it is available.
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personally I'd say just run the RUU of either the Froyo or wait for the GB RUU to come out and run that to get the update, and/or wait for a pre-rooted GB image and flash that...
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personally I'd say just run the RUU of either the Froyo or wait for the GB RUU to come out and run that to get the update, and/or wait for a pre-rooted GB image and flash that...
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Thanks,
So, I will wait until a pre rooted GB image is out.
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I just Rooted my Desire now I am running GingerVillan 2.5.
I enabled A2SD making ext3 partition of 512 MB and 32 MB Swap on SD card.
However as now the news just came out that There will be gingerbread for Desire
so as I made Full System Image using Nandroid backup, will it be safe to restore that Image and get OTA update when it is available.
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Seriously, spare yourself the hassle and stay on the custom ROM. The stock Gingerbread won't be a revolution anyway and a2sd will come more handy like you have it now. If there will be any updated libs, ROM devs here will integrate them anyway, so you'll just flash a updated GingerVillan.
I'm a bit confused by how newer versions of gapps work, as far as version numbering goes. I flashed 4.0.4 but then restored a titanium backup for all my apps and data. Can restoring backups undo updates gained from flashes like this? If so, are there cases where they won't simply re-download the newer version from the market? The fact that some gapps don't seem to have market entries is also confusing in this regard; are these programs only ever updated with android system updates? Or do they just have invisible market entries to control who can download them but still offer updates?
According to app info, my browser is on 4.0.4-257829, so I guess that's a pretty good indicator that it's the latest version. But my camera says version 1, so I'm not sure what to make of that. Is version 1 the 4.0.4 build? Has the camera app itself never been updated, but other system files add improvements as the OS gets upgraded?
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Can restoring backups undo updates gained from flashes like this?
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Yes, restoring a backup sets everything the way it was when you made the backup - part of it's purpose is to give you a way out if an update breaks something.
If you didn't want to backgrade your apps you could try just restoring app data.
I'd have expected the apps to then be able to update through the market but I've never tried it. If they're not doing it automatically you could try opening market > my apps and seeing if it's offered there.
If it was an off market app you'd need to reinstall it manually.
Your other questions ???
Hmm, actually on looking into titanium's settings, everything that I would guess is included in the gapps bundle is set to not be part of backups (maybe it's all system apps? Not sure how much overlap between the two there is). Sure enough those apps all show as 4.0.4. So I guess by accident or design, titanium backup is safe to just run batch mode on between flashing and not have to worry about overwriting the gapps updates.
hi guys
i checked the link 2SD latest version that enable you to convert system app to user app , then link them to SD card !!
fantastic ! isn't it ?
but i found that converting some system app makes our rom crazy and Force close happening.
my question is , do you know which app's are convert-able and which one isn't ?!
till now , i know that converting phone and home launcher makes sooooo many force close !
can you please share your experience together ?
I tried it on the Android framework, and now my XPlay is bricked...
My guess is that the ones that would be compatible with transferring to the sd card are also the ones that are safe to remove. If you're going to test any more than that, maybe test the phone and messaging apps, but other than that, there's some real dangerous ground you'll be walking, as neverwinter found out.
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My guess is that the ones that would be compatible with transferring to the sd card are also the ones that are safe to remove. If you're going to test any more than that, maybe test the phone and messaging apps, but other than that, there's some real dangerous ground you'll be walking, as neverwinter found out.
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thank you
i'm ganna try it again
there is a light , always
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I tried it on the Android framework, and now my XPlay is bricked...
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bricked? if xperia play hardware is not effected in anyway, and you have CWM, unlocked bootloader its never bricked just soft bricked
I tried it on Gmail and it wouldn't do it.
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I tried it on The Amazon Kindle app and it worked. Asphalt 6 and Star Battalion it would not. Same for VZ Navigator (but I think I can uninstall it). That said I'm worried to do too much of this for the possibility of it screwing up a future OTA update.
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I tried it on The Amazon Kindle app and it worked. Asphalt 6 and Star Battalion it would not. Same for VZ Navigator (but I think I can uninstall it). That said I'm worried to do too much of this for the possibility of it screwing up a future OTA update.
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What OTA update? You think Verizon's actually going to do anything more for this phone?
In all seriousness, though, I'm not entirely sure the Link2SD has good implementation of this method. You might try Titanium Backup to convert system to user apps, then try linking it with Link2SD. It may still not work, but it'd be worth a shot, I suppose.
Furthermore, I always delete bloatware I'm not going to use with Titantium Backup. If I need to go back to stock for an OTA, I just flash the complete stock of whatever phone I'm on. For us on the Xperia Play, we have the .ftf files. That'll prep you for an OTA just fine.
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What OTA update? You think Verizon's actually going to do anything more for this phone?
In all seriousness, though, I'm not entirely sure the Link2SD has good implementation of this method. You might try Titanium Backup to convert system to user apps, then try linking it with Link2SD. It may still not work, but it'd be worth a shot, I suppose.
Furthermore, I always delete bloatware I'm not going to use with Titantium Backup. If I need to go back to stock for an OTA, I just flash the complete stock of whatever phone I'm on. For us on the Xperia Play, we have the .ftf files. That'll prep you for an OTA just fine.
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Hilariously, that exact question came across my head last night. In all reality I think they are done with it, we are never gonna see 2.3.4 or ICS (although shockingly they still sell it $19.99 w/2 yr in store, or free online w/2yr).
I'm gonna probably go the titanium backup route. I am running out of space severely.
U can try system/app mover on play store,but u need root. It works great! I changed some apps in my Cyanogen nightly build,like messaging app ,or stock camera and even converted Gboard