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i hope people will do this i think it will get a result.....
join the protest for htc to make us a way to install apps to SD there just not enough room i said to them its no good its what is really killin this device for me now its not fair its locked out what kind of crazy idea to miss this feature out from day one
1. complaint made in writing and voiced
It's nothing to do with HTC per se, it's inherent with the Android OS - something which Google have already acknowledged and is rumoured to be fixed in 2.2 (Froyo) which will be announced in about 10 days at the Google IO conference.
No need to do that , it all depends on Google. This is what I've got from HTC.
Hi, Thanks for your email. We're all looking forward to that... it seems that they have now said that it is 'coming soon' and they have closed the forum regarding this on their site, so at present, it is assumed that it is coming in 2.2. However, until they announce it, it is still speculation. best regards, Pete W HTC
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"Hi, Thanks for your email. We're all looking forward to that... it seems that they have now said that it is 'coming soon' and they have closed the forum regarding this on their site, so at present, it is assumed that it is coming in 2.2. However, until they announce it, it is still speculation. best regards, Pete W HTC "
Ok, nice... coming soon.... but how much time then untill HTC releases it with sense etc?
BUT, do we have any information that leads us to believe HTC will release Froyo for the Desire - I've not seen nor heard anything other than their commitment to support Flash 10.1 for the Desire in a future update?? As Flash 10.1 is natively supported in Froyo an OS update would kill two birds with one stone and supposedly remedy the Android fragmentation issue on all Desires. However a simple OTA update to Eclair could readily unlock Flash 10.1 without the need for a full OS update to replace Eclair with Froyo.
hija31 said:
No need to do that , it all depends on Google. This is what I've got from HTC.
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Not only on google, but on HTC too. HTC will get Froyo next month, and then its up on them if they will give upgrade to Desire.
So make a request to put Froyo ASAP, not for HTC to include a core feature to Google Android operating system. This thread is ridiculous
Great.... just found this and didnt realize there was a problem like this with the Desire... that really sux! especially as my Desire turns up at 10am this morning and my trusty HD which I can install 32Gb of apps if I so wanted has just sold on ebay!
Maybe I need to stop buying HTC devices.
The desire is selling like hotcakes - I suspect on a whole different scale to any HTC device before. That makes me optimistic that froyo will be available for the desire at some point. Until then, I'm sure a cooked nexus one Rom will be able to tide us over.
Geeba said:
Great.... just found this and didnt realize there was a problem like this with the Desire... that really sux! especially as my Desire turns up at 10am this morning and my trusty HD which I can install 32Gb of apps if I so wanted has just sold on ebay!
Maybe I need to stop buying HTC devices.
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You do not seem to understand that it is not HTCs fault. This is an Android operating system limitation. So it is a "problem" with every single phone with the Desire.
I wrote "problem" because.. how much apps do you actually install?? I have about 50 apps installed and far from running out of my memory.
Also, of course you can stop whining and install a cutom ROM with A2SD (Apps To SD card).
Just to make it clear: Apps CAN store its data on SD card (like navigation apps storing maps etc) so most of the apps that require storage use SD card anyway. It's quicker that way.
I have to disagree, it's not an inherent problem with Android, but the fault of the handset maker. Android installs apps to the system memory - this is a fact. The manufacturer should provide adequate ROM memory for this.
That's a valid point. If HTC had simply put more memory in the device itself, accessible for apps and such, this would be a negligible issue.
personally, it will sure be handy but for me, I have ll the apps that i needed and my available space is still 113MB on my HTC Desire.
Ok, nice... coming soon.... but how much time then untill HTC releases it with sense etc?
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This is what I've got :
Until we get it, we simply don't know. It depends what changes in 2.2 and how that affects our Sense software and how much work is needed to get it working properly again. As a desire owner myself, i'm hoping it won't take as long as the Hero has (which i also own), and hoping that the 'defragmentation' that Google is supposedly doing will speed the process up in future. Best regards, Pete W HTC
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personally, it will sure be handy but for me, I have ll the apps that i needed and my available space is still 113MB on my HTC Desire.
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Wish I could say the same. I have 47 apps installed (including Navigon satnav, and 6 or 7 games) and I'm pretty much out of space. I'm reduced to making decisions on whether or not I can be bothered to try out a new game because it means uninstalling one that I already own... I also had to get rid of Google Earth, simply because I hardly used it and it took up so much space - however I would've loved to have kept it because it's nice to show off to people.
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That's a valid point. If HTC had simply put more memory in the device itself, accessible for apps and such, this would be a negligible issue.
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In fact, despite this not being Google's fault (HTC's penny-pinching) they are still going to address the issue in Froyo, for the good of the users. I imagine they are doing this to avoid any further harm to the Android name. Whatever the reason, good on 'em.
I for one will be happy when Froyo is released, and if HTC don't get their arses in gear quick-smart with a Sense update then I will be rooting (if I haven't rooted by then already). I'm only waiting now because it seems VERY complicated compared to rooting the Dream which I had before, and also I don't really have the time to devote to it right now, or to having a potentially unstable phone/ROM. But I'm not that enamoured with HTC or Sense, so when I do eventually get hacked off, I will root.
I deffo need space as I have to leave off or keep swapping apps around and I only use ones I need to or have actual value.
Still not reached the memory limit but getting close. So i keep my fingers crossed for the update. I think both Google and HTC are doing their best all we need is a little patience.
Btw although navigation software puts the maps on the sd their memory footprint is very different. For example, both Navigon and Copilot will use over 15 mb whereas Sygic only uses 8 mb.
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Still not reached the memory limit but getting close. So i keep my fingers crossed for the update. I think both Google and HTC are doing their best all we need is a little patience.
Btw although navigation software puts the maps on the sd their memory footprint is very different. For example, both Navigon and Copilot will use over 15 mb whereas Sygic only uses 8 mb.
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That's good to know mornixuur, and may help some people decide on a particular satnav, although I'm very happy with Navigon and won't be changing to save 7mb
I think you have to agree that it's pretty sad we're even having this conversation - why on earth should our decisions be based on a few megs when I have an 8GB class 6 microSD card in my phone which only cost me £11? I know that ROM memory is considerably faster and probably more expensive than SD cards, but really - how much would it've cost HTC (remembering they get huge volume discounts) to stick a 4 gig ROM chip in the phone? £5? £10? That way this issue would affect hardly anyone.
And it's not like people haven't complained about it before - every HTC Android phone has had the same problem, since the original Dream. You'd think they would learn! No, it's as I read on another thread somewhere - although HTC are more than capable of designing decent handsets, somewhere along the line the bean-counters get involved and decide to cut corners with cheap, inadequate components, such as not enough RAM (which was a problem with the Dream from the outset), crappy touchscreens (all HTC phones, except the latest Incredible), last generation processors (up until the HD2/N1/Desire/Incredible), cheap speakers, etc etc.
They buy huge quantities of the cheapest parts they can find and then use them until it's no longer viable and the competition has a significant technological lead for months (iPhone 3GS, Motorola Droid). I think it's planned obsolescence, as they release a new "must have" phone every 2 months, which in reality is only a very slight upgrade from the last. By the time a year has passed, you are looking at your HTC phone and comparing it to the 4 or 5 which have superceeded it, and you want a new one. Very clever, I must say.
The only time where they have cocked this up is in failing to release a high-end QWERTY keyboard Android phone in the last couple of years. I held off from upgrading my Dream for ages because of the lack of a decent one on the market (Droid/Milestone doesn't count because the keyboard was ****e).
Eventually I had to get something new because my nearly 2yr old Dream just couldn't play with the big boys any more, despite all the modding/hacks that the geniuses at XDA have provided (and I'm very grateful for).
Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a decent QWERTY to come out, whether that be the Droid 2/Nexus Enterprise Edition (with alleged better keyboard), or something from HTC or another manufacturer.
Anyway, rant over! I still love my Desire, it's the best thing I can get in this country at the moment!
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Will have to send it back for the memory fix anyway. Two birds, one stone I guess.
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That was posted in the loose hinge video thread in the General section. I was unaware there was a memory problem, but after a short Googling on the subject, turns out we only get 1.2GB of the promised 4GB.
Yes, I know the breakdown, 300MB for formatting, 1GB for FroYo, 1GB for future upgrades (or at least that's what the forums I all read said). However, after reading that statement from ihateusernames, I want to know.
Did they fix it? Do we get more memory now? I've got 1.09GB of free space on mine, and I've got really nothing more than a Chuck Norris facts app, all the Google apps updated, Angry Birds, ADW Launcher (the free one), ChompSMS, Beautiful Widgets and Feedr. So the usage would look about right for my phone starting with 1.2GB.
I've got the loose hinge problem as well, but instead of *****ing about it like so many people, I was going to use the method outlined in the G2/DZ General section, take it apart, stretch the springs and put it back. It sounds more fun than getting a replacement.
However, if they fixed the memory problem too, I'm gonna do what this guy is doing and just send the phone back. Two birds with one stone...hmm...there's a reason why that's a good saying.
No, there is no fix because nothing is wrong. That's what your going to hear. You probably just read an old post.
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It was. Someone commented on it on page 3 like 2 1/2 months after all the comments on pages 1 and 2 were done. I should've checked first.
Oh well, this just means I get to see the guts of my phone and fix my hinge
Thank you!
No, it's not true, the memory is how it is. There is a 4 GB chip in there but it's setup from the factory as 2.2 GB of storage. This is exactly the same on both the G2 and the Desire Z (just that T-Mobile's advertising of the G2 was highly misleading).
See the Wiki if you want the technical explanation - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
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No, it's not true, the memory is how it is. There is a 4 GB chip in there but it's setup from the factory as 2.2 GB of storage. This is exactly the same on both the G2 and the Desire Z (just that T-Mobile's advertising of the G2 was highly misleading).
See the Wiki if you want the technical explanation - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB
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Thank goodness I'm going to college for a Gaming and Simulation Programming degree, otherwise that link would've made NO sense to me lol. Thanks for the link, I just studied Assembly Language programming and Hardware Architecture last semester and that's the first real-world application I've seen many of those terms in.
Too bad, though, that extra ~2GB would be awesome.
So I don't know if you guys have a problem with this, too, but I thought I might post a poll of how much internal storage they start with on their fresh Galaxy Nexus (GSM).
When I opened up my Galaxy Nexus, it started out with 13.33 GB worth of available storage, means that the ICS firmware is taking up 2.67 GB.
I never asked for 13.33 GB worth of storage out of the box, I asked for something close to 16GB when I bought it. I don't like the fact that I feel cheated and the numbers were misrepresented. I KNOW I KNOW some of you will play Le Googly Devil's advocate and say, "Well obviously, the 16GB includes the Ice Cream Sandwich that comes with it, so it would obviously take up some space."
I KNOW I KNOW, but I want you guys to realize that operating systems like linux didn't take up 2.67GB way back when. But now, 2.67GB..? Now that's crazy OS talk right there. I like to have more storage please.
This is a very inconspicuous marketing tactic, using our own money, our own internal storage to pretty up an operating system, called ICS, worth 2.67GB of data.
I remember way back when...
So anyways, how much memory do you guys start at?
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So I don't know if you guys have a problem with this, too, but I thought I might post a poll of how much internal storage they start with on their fresh Galaxy Nexus (GSM).
When I opened up my Galaxy Nexus, it started out with 13.33 GB worth of available storage, means that the ICS firmware is taking up 2.67 GB.
I never asked for 13.33 GB worth of storage out of the box, I asked for something close to 16GB when I bought it. I don't like the fact that I feel cheated and the numbers were misrepresented. I KNOW I KNOW some of you will play Le Googly Devil's advocate and say, "Well obviously, the 16GB includes the Ice Cream Sandwich that comes with it, so it would obviously take up some space."
I KNOW I KNOW, but I want you guys to realize that operating systems like linux didn't take up 2.67GB way back when. But now, 2.67GB..? Now that's crazy OS talk right there. I like to have more storage please.
This is a very inconspicuous marketing tactic, using our own money, our own internal storage to pretty up an operating system, called ICS, worth 2.67GB of data.
I remember way back when...
So anyways, how much memory do you guys start at?
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if u remember way back.. then go get urself some old device with cupcake, donut or eclair. i m pretty sure they wont take up to 2gb of ur internal memory
if u want newest os, suck it up dude.
if u want more memory, get 32gb with lte.
if u dont have lte, but u want 32gb, well too bad, get 32gb with lte anyway and suck it up~~
I'm pretty sure most of the unavailable space is allocated for dalvik-cache.
As Chirality comments, a good chunk is definitely taken up by the dalvik-cache. You could get rid of that (don't ask how) and get closer to your 16GB, but then you'd end up with a really slow device.
btw, you're forgetting the marketing 16GB vs actual 16GB space. As every digital storage manufacturer represents 16GB as 16,000MB = 16GB, whereas in reality its only 15.6GB, that makes it 2.27GB for ICS by your calculations.
And not to mention your comparison to linux? This is Android, it only uses the linux kernel. But besides that, it's very different from a linux distribution, it's more like a JVM wrapped onto a linux kernel.
and finally.. is it really that big of a deal? If it is.. then as king23adrianc says, get the 32GB version, OR wait for an ICS phone that comes with an SD card. I understand that for some people, they need a lot of space. I can understand that. But then I can't understand why you would purchase a device limited with only 16GB knowing that you need more.
Yeah, suck it up.
It is a new OS, new requirements.
I don't know if you can flash Android version 1.0 to get more space.
Duh...
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So I don't know if you guys have a problem with this, too, but I thought I might post a poll of how much internal storage they start with on their fresh Galaxy Nexus (GSM).
When I opened up my Galaxy Nexus, it started out with 13.33 GB worth of available storage, means that the ICS firmware is taking up 2.67 GB.
I never asked for 13.33 GB worth of storage out of the box, I asked for something close to 16GB when I bought it. I don't like the fact that I feel cheated and the numbers were misrepresented. I KNOW I KNOW some of you will play Le Googly Devil's advocate and say, "Well obviously, the 16GB includes the Ice Cream Sandwich that comes with it, so it would obviously take up some space."
I KNOW I KNOW, but I want you guys to realize that operating systems like linux didn't take up 2.67GB way back when. But now, 2.67GB..? Now that's crazy OS talk right there. I like to have more storage please.
This is a very inconspicuous marketing tactic, using our own money, our own internal storage to pretty up an operating system, called ICS, worth 2.67GB of data.
I remember way back when...
So anyways, how much memory do you guys start at?
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Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.
maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.
SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.
zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.
look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!
Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.
As the title says, I've started a petition to Google to include memory card slots on future nexus devices and to encourage other manufactures to do the same. Please check it out and sign the petition.
Also, if a wise and powerful mod saw fit, I think this could be worth a sticky.
http://www.change.org/petitions/google-include-memory-card-slots-in-nexus-devices
note: if you don't agree or simply don't see a need for memory cards then just don't sign. Please don't post negative comments in this thread.
Update: Like the Facebook Page!!!!
http://www.facebook.com/CardSlotsForNexus
Not trying to be negative but what's ur biggest gripe not having this option?I get no mass storage which sucks and if ur phone takes a dump ur outta luck however its not bothered me to the point of wanting to make them change it.really its like buying a car if you don't like one pick another.well that's just my 2 cents anyways
but...but...but...having no SD is faster and cheaper...
evolving said:
Not trying to be negative but what's ur biggest gripe not having this option?I get no mass storage which sucks and if ur phone takes a dump ur outta luck however its not bothered me to the point of wanting to make them change it.really its like buying a car if you don't like one pick another.well that's just my 2 cents anyways
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My biggest problem is that I just don't see the reason not to have it. Other than the iPhone, pretty much every smartphone has had some kind of memory slot for years until recently. Having it is cheap and takes up very little space. Why limit users? Why not allow them flexibility?
Poke_N_PDA said:
My biggest problem is that I just don't see the reason not to have it. Other than the iPhone, pretty much every smartphone has had some kind of memory slot for years until recently. Having it is cheap and takes up very little space. Why limit users? Why not allow them flexibility?
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Why complicate things with an extra slot? Why slow things down with external storage? Why? It's not only easier for developers, but for consumers too. You never have to worry...its just there. You don't have to go "Well, VZW only gave me a 2GB SD lets go spend another $30 on a 64GB"...its just there and most consumers need that cause most consumers are, sorry, dumb.
Smokeey said:
Why complicate things with an extra slot? Why slow things down with external storage? Why? It's not only easier for developers, but for consumers too. You never have to worry...its just there. You don't have to go "Well, VZW only gave me a 2GB SD lets go spend another $30 on a 64GB"...its just there and most consumers need that cause most consumers are, sorry, dumb.
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I'm sorry, but that post is just dumb. (Not you, your post.) How can it complicate things?(*That's a dumb statement.*) I think even the older generation knows what a sdcard is and how to use it in a mobile device, camera, etc.. so I know the younger generation knows. What can be complicated to some, is hooking up your phone up to the computer and browsing through all of those folders trying to find where their pictures are saved. (*Most wouldn't look in the DCIM folder.*) Why slow things down? I spent an extra hour or so at the Verizon store waiting for them to transfer all of my pics, songs, etc...off of my sdcard, when it could have taken me 2 minutes to the transfer the sdcard from my old phone to this one. (*Again, dumb statement.*) I guarantee you most people are using the same 16/32 sdcard they've had from a previous phone and they either sell or put the new one they get with a new phone away for storage. Not to mention how APPS2SD has saved plenty of people space on their internal memory and whatever other benefits that comes from that. Sorry, but I just can't let you call me a dumb consumer because I want options. If you ask me, a dumb consumer is one who doesn't want more options.
Guys, there really is no reason to debate or argue this. Either you support it or you don't. If you do, sign the petition, like the page, and post something positive.
If you don't, please just leave well enough alone (like I said in the original post).
You could just buy a phone that does have an SD card slot. They don't have a gun to your head. Google is moving away from expandable storage.
I don't think Google plan to add micro SD cards in the future as we head towards a cloud based storage system in the future, so if you want an SD card, you'll most likely have to buy a non nexus device, this rant won't do anything much
I don't know if it's that people don't read or if my expectations are just to high. *sigh*
If anyone has anything positive to say, please say it.
No negativity here just opinion. I think manufactures should just include more built in storage. Flash memory is way faster than sdcards and I think that if there more of it, space would stop being an issue.
Poke_N_PDA said:
I don't know if it's that people don't read or if my expectations are just to high. *sigh*
If anyone has anything positive to say, please say it.
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I do think they'd be nice until the increased built in storage came into play though.
Poke_N_PDA said:
I don't know if it's that people don't read or if my expectations are just to high. *sigh*
If anyone has anything positive to say, please say it.
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Your a little sensitive. Nobody has said anything negative, just sharing their opinions. SD cards are not really necessary any more. Clouds!
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I just want SD to load my videos when i dont have wifi available. Its perfectly reasonable when every tablet has one...
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Poke_N_PDA said:
I don't know if it's that people don't read or if my expectations are just to high. *sigh*
If anyone has anything positive to say, please say it.
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Be thankful for the dicussion, as it bumps up the thread. If you limit posters to those on your side, this thread will fall into the depths of page 10+
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unlvmike said:
Your a little sensitive. Nobody has said anything negative, just sharing their opinions. SD cards are not really necessary any more. Clouds!
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1. Not everyone want's to store their information on other peoples servers.
2. That's only valid if I have a high speed connection everywhere and unlimited use of it.
jxr94 said:
No negativity here just opinion. I think manufactures should just include more built in storage. Flash memory is way faster than sdcards and I think that if there more of it, space would stop being an issue.
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The only problem with this is that, the more the storage, the more the price of the phone. Imagine how much a 64 GB phone or tablet is going to be. I'm pretty sure at some point buying a 64GB sdcard would be cheaper. Plus, when you spend more money on that new 64 GB device that you want, now you have to spend all of that time saving it to the cloud or transferring it from the old device to the new one. Now when your space in the clouds begin to get to full, you now have to spend a monthly/yearly fee for more space. Sorry, but I don't see the benefits.
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Be thankful for the dicussion, as it bumps up the thread. If you limit posters to those on your side, this thread will fall into the depths of page 10+
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Most Excellent point.
Fighting the forum is probably not the best plan.
Screw memory cards, where is my dvd-rw nexus??