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I have been using HTC devices for many years now:
Pison 5MX, HP Jornada 720, HTC Alpin, HTC Trinity, HTC Kaiser and HTC Polaris!
The form factor of the new TP2 is brilliant.
HOWEVER, the keyboard is just not designed very efficiently for me because it is half of the size of the total width. Which means that the rear part is not used for the keyboard.
I would have preferred a FULL keyboard such as the one on the HTC Universal or on the Psion 5MX or Jornada 720!
I don't understand the point of designing a PDA with a built-in keyboard if the keyboard is just too small which makes it even not usuable. The one on the Kaiser was so small.
HTC produced the Universal with a full sized keyboard using the full width of the screen.
Why not on the newest models?
Any ideas?
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
I don't have a problem with the Keyboard size at all. I think it's just about perfect. My problem is the fact that they made the buttons much bigger and removed 10 keys from the original touch pro. Yeah, It makes it easier for some, but I know I'd rather have the keys. The keyboard still would have had really big buttons.
As a happy Universal owner I understand very well the point of sayborg.
As far as I know the only devices with great keyboards are:
Universal
Advantage
Shift
Toth (New)
But the last 3 options are too big...
I´m in the same interrogant? I want/need to upgrade my 2005 Universal but nothing I can see in the near future as a REAL replacement
TP2 is the closer one I can think
Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
I don't know what to think about the keyboard yet. The buttons feel good, not slippery. The number keys at the top are a pain in the ass because the lip of the top layer is slightly overlapping making it just annoying enough to bug me. On screen keyboard is pretty tight. No complaints there.
DavidMc0 said:
I've had a few thoughts being a long time mini-keyboard user...
It's true that a bigger keyboard can make things easier, but for typing with your thumbs, too big is also a problem due to limited reach.
Typing with a Psion 5 was not great with two thumbs, and with a phone you want to type on the go, so this is more important than 2 handed typing while at a desk / other solid surface. As most people want to carry their phone with them a Psion 5 sized phone would not be too popular!
Having a full width & height keyboard while keeping the ability to put the keyboard away (for touch screen only use) will usually require a bulky tilt & twist hinge (like on Zaurus C series, Clie UX / NX, or HTC universal), which means the screen has to be smaller / narrower. Quickly sliding out a keyboard to hammer out a text is faster than opening and then twisting a hinge.
The Kaiser keyboard was fantastic in my opinion - I could type very quickly on it, probably not far off my Psion 5 speed (as when you didn't hit the Psion keys in the centre, they did not always work).
Have you any ideas for achieving a bigger keyboard without compromising on the screen size, usability or overall size of the phone?
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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It's true that we aren't there yet, but as far as hardware I think the Rhodium is getting pretty dame close. Huge screen, sturdy construction, physical slideout keyboard, and a large enough screen that the onscreen finger keyboard is very usable. These are many things that I've been waiting for. The only thing that can make the design better is to make it thiner which will take so time in tech advancement.
I still think they shouldn't be losing some of the buttons they had on the titan/tilt style phones (d-pad and soft key hardware buttons). However, I'm probably not giving the usability of the touch interface enough credit.
As long as the software is up to par (hadware acceleration and strong usability) then it's all gravy. This is the device I've been waiting for for a long time. I'm also thinking that once it's been out a year or so The Android roms for it will be pretty advanced and very capable. Overall, this has a TON of potential and I think it will be the first phone I don't constantly look forward to the next version on.
I just hope against hope that they have enabled hardware acceleration on this phone. If we have another non-implemented 2D/3D driver while relying on CPU power for rendering gsnarfle... I'd be most unhappy.
That's one of the big reasons I'm looking to move away from my Mogul... while it's a decent phone, they seem to have shot it in the leg and then told it to go run a marathon.
It may be my ignorance to the matter, but I hope that all the touchflo3D phones have full hardware acceleration support!
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Thanks for the comments guys!
Well, for me, it would have been nicer to keep the SAME size of the current TP2 but with a wider keyboard, this wouldn't make the device bigger because the rear part/surface of the keyboard is even not used. A wider keyboard wouldn't cost more and wouldn't be heavier.
I thing the problem is that the producers of such devices are usually not consumers. I doubt that poeple who have designed such devices have as much usage experience as us. They sometimes lack of subtilty I think.
I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
There is also the Acer M900 which has an OK keyboard but it is not tilting and again the keyboard is not designed efficiently/optimally for me but again this is a personal opinion!
For me there is no point to have a 2,8 " PDA whith a build-in keyboard. Keys are just to small...
Maybe one day, we will see the perfect HTC Device...
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well honestly I think I think if they used the whole width it would take up to much space be harder to reach the keys on the ends of the keyboard with your thumbs., and also the kaiser keyboard is not bad, it is very easy to type on for me and I can type fast, adn honestly I think they are making hte keyboards smaller cause its easier to use them on the go,
but look at a pic of the touch pro 2 keyaboard they did make it use mroe space, so they know what you mean it does make typing easier, but for phones with HUGE keyboards.. well most people dont want a phone that big but honestly they used almost all of the space on the touch pro 2 for the keyboard
The only thing that worries me is the lack of the windows key and the ok button. Those two will be missed greatly. Otherwise, I think the keyboard will be a huge improvement over my Mogul's.
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I also think that there is no perfect repalcement of the HTC Universal which is sad.
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Eh sorry. While i havent used any touch device yet, i looked at the Universal, and one word jumped out at me.. Bulky. That thing just looks to big and clunky to be of any fluid use.
I was actually happy when i saw a pitcure of the TP2 keyboard. They keys look like a good size, and the bit of space between them i was happy to see because i toyed with the fuze/tilt and i fat-fingered with that keyboard enough to annoy me.
As far as removing keys... as Ranch Wilder would say..."Less is more". Just because a device as more keys/buttons doesn't mean its better. Take the Logitech G11 keyboard. They dumped a bunch of Macro keys on it, most of which never got used, and only made the keyboard take up more space. Their next version of the G15, the removed alot of the G keys (macro keys) to cut the size down, but there's still plenty to be useful.
I think its more a matter of people being use to so many keys, however i think the touch interface will more than make up for it. Plus i guess that puts me at and advantage where this will be my first phone with a keyboard.
If you feel the keys are too small, tell this to the Blackberry users.
I think the keyboard was stretched pretty close to the edges, I think its fine. the universal has a different target audience than the touch pro 2 if you want the PERFECT universal replacement I suggest this phone:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/shift/specification.html
but I never used or saw a universal so im not sure, but the shift is a really nice phone with a big keyboard and it has ALOT of speed, but it costs alot more than most phones and is wont fit in your pocket either but it seems like the perfect replacement plus it runs windows vista! a real os not a mobile one
and it has a finger print scanner built in whats not to like about that.
CAPS & Function Keys
I cannot imagine why the CAPS(shift) and Function keys are not reversed! Didn't the designers look at a computer keyboard?
So my question is - can the key functions be changed in the software and can the keycaps be popped off and switched?
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Hope HTC have some secret devices on that form factor, but I doub it
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Alas, I have been wishing this for years...
when the original Universal came out, as a college student, I didn't have the means for a Universal...
All I can do now is hope...
hello people,
okay im thinking of buying a WP7 device but but i can't decide between Omnia 7 or LG optimus 7,
i can get either one of them in 16gb, as i can just get the omnia 7 16gb from germany change the language to english and the optimus comes in 16gb only anyway so storage isn't problem
the only difference is that the omnia is bigger and has better screen according to people, but i dont really care about having/not having an SAMOLED while the lg looks slimmer and easier to hold, and alot of people have said the back and search button on the omnia is too sensitive so im guessing that would be bad when reading or playing games
so question 1; can you stick the omina in a skinny jeans while sticking an earphone in the head phone jack or is it too big?
2: would having a 3.8inch screen on the lg affect gaming and reading books on the phone as it seems almost all smartphones are required to have a 4.0inch or bigger screens
Well i have a Mozart because of its nice "pocket-size".
But i have to admit that the Omnias screen is really nice and has a lot of advantages while browsing/reading etc, but i prefer a phone which easily fits into my pocket because i am not reading or surfing all the time.
Seriously, most of the time your phone will be in your pocket, so you have to test out, which phone you prefer
I'm posting this from an LG quantum. I believe it has the smallest screen of all wp7's. I've checked out the focus, and to be honest I don't at all think my experience is any worse. Everything comes thru clear and looking very high res. And even that would be a plus of a smaller screen, higher pixel density.
These phones are very high end, I don't think screen size will make that much of a difference.
Oh and skinny jeans? Really? 2007 called, it wants its feminine douchebag fashion back.
Omnia7 has a better form factor and of course the amazing amoled, and IMHO it does matter. What I don't like with the optimus 7 is its home key button, it looks quite cheap and I believe it doesn't wake up the screen if pressed coming from sleep. As for the omnia7 back and search buttons, its true...being quite sensitive. I have a fried who has big hands and keeps on hitting it accidentally as he uses the device for browsing. For me, I already get the hang of using it without hitting it. So it takes a little getting used to but the pros outweigh the cons that's for sure especially if you say you can get the 16GB version. I only have the 8 but I'm I still have 2 GB left after all the stuff I have.
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I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.
I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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The size difference is about .5 I believe when you are comparing thinness.
I would say that the screen difference is neglectable at best.
Zaslav said:
I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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Omnia 7 uses metal. Probably explains why it is 20g heavier than the Focus.
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I'm posting this from an LG quantum. I believe it has the smallest screen of all wp7's. I've checked out the focus, and to be honest I don't at all think my experience is any worse. Everything comes thru clear and looking very high res. And even that would be a plus of a smaller screen, higher pixel density.
These phones are very high end, I don't think screen size will make that much of a difference.
Oh and skinny jeans? Really? 2007 called, it wants its feminine douchebag fashion back.
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yeah, first thing I thought of was the new Miller Light beer commercial.
geoken said:
I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.
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agreed, capacitive buttons do suck.
geoken said:
I would go for the LG. I've had my HD7 for about a month and I hate the capacitive buttons more than I could have ever imagined hating them. I have to always be conscious of how I hold my phone because if your finger grazes the wrong part of the phone you'll get kicked out of whatever you were doing. I type way slower than I used to type on my much smaller iPhone because I need to be extra careful when I hit the space bar; if I overshoot it by a millimeter I hit the home key. I also type slower because I can't hold the phone with my optimal grip, the capacitive buttons force you to keep your hands clear of that area.
For the life of me I can't figure out why someone would prefer capacative buttons.
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Yeah actually at first I wondered why LG would make the home button on the quantum a physical button, but after reading about the sensitivity, and noticing how sensitive the back and search button on mine are, I'm glad they did. And I assume it was on purpose with this knowledge?
You can use the iPhone as a comparison, assuming you've used one. It has a 3.5" screen, and I find it's big enough for most tasks.
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You can use the iPhone as a comparison, assuming you've used one. It has a 3.5" screen, and I find it's big enough for most tasks.
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Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.
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Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.
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IMO 4" are better than 4.3" in this case HTC really has lost their way.
That said, I wish there was a Samsung device with a 4.3" (or perhaps even 4.5") screen.
i wanted to get the Samsung Omnia 7 just for the amoled screen. But 8GB of memory is too little for me so i got the HD7. The screen wasn't as bad as i expected (coming from the HD2) its really nice and colourful.
4,3? damn before i would buy that i would go for a 7" one
$10 credit card sized phone and serious touch tablet
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Big enough, sure, but 4.3in is better.
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My point wasn't that bigger was too big, but that if 3.5" isn't too small, then neither will 3.8/4" be.
Zaslav said:
I would go for the LG just because it feels better built the Samsung is all plastic and feels a little cheap.
Screen size I think is negligible in this case as .2 inches isn't really a big deal. At least I don't think so.
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The Omnia 7 has a more or less complete metal casing.
I'd get the LG Optimus 7. I compared it with the Samsung Omnia 7 in a store and I THINK THE SCREEN ON THE LG IS BETTER.
Why:
1)
Most OLED screens have a lower effective resolution than normal LCDs because they have fewer subpixels. If you compare both you will notice text on webpages etc is looking jagged on OLED displays and much smoother on normal LCDs.
Search for "pentile matrix" on google.
2)
OLED screens consume big amounts of power when the image is very bright (black text on white background like on most web pages). To reduce power the OLED is auto-reducing brightness if an image with many white areas is displayed. WTF! This would p*ss me off. At least the store units did this and changed brightness while scrolling from dark areas to bright areas on a web page.
3)
OK the black levels on OLED are better but the LG's arent that bad.
Viewing angles arent good on the LG but I dont notice this at all in daily use.
Other points:
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Hardware buttons instead of touch (though the buttons arent that great but they do their job).
5)
Many free LG exclusive apps available.
6)
Hacking: Integrated MFG-tool with many options like a basic registry editor without unlocking (unlock works fine btw).
I bought an Optimus 7 and its working quite well. Second on my list was the Mozart which is also very nice, but I activated the capacitive search button by mistake all the time while testing.
Optimus 7 downsides:
-Headphone out has sligtly audible background noise, even more when on an active GPRS connection
-My device creaks a bit if you press it in between your fingers with force
-Pinkish spot in center of pictures taken with camera
-Supplied headphones are a piece of **** at least compared to my Koss Porta Pro
-First unit had broken bluetooth, had to send it in for repairs, now its ok
-Ringer volume is kinda low (no secondary speaker)
So here is the thing, so the screen size of the Nexus will be 4.6", is the actual usable part of the screen larger then our device?
What I mean, doesn't the buttons on the screen have to remain there all the time so in reality that part of the screen is not really usable for anything else. So it looks like you are not really getting any extra screen real estate you can use by having the buttons incorporated into the screen instead of the device.
Anyone see this any other way or am I missing something? If this is the case, it will really suck for smaller screens......
You are correct. From what I'm seeing the actual viewing screen is 4.3 inches do we imwill have a bigger screen in the end.
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[email protected] said:
So here is the thing, so the screen size of the Nexus will be 4.6", is the actual usable part of the screen larger then our device?
What I mean, doesn't the buttons on the screen have to remain there all the time so in reality that part of the screen is not really usable for anything else. So it looks like you are not really getting any extra screen real estate you can use by having the buttons incorporated into the screen instead of the device.
Anyone see this any other way or am I missing something? If this is the case, it will really suck for smaller screens......
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Yea, you are missing the fact that the menu buttons can be programmed to auto hide for most applications as the developer sees fit. I doubt you will see the menu buttons while playing games and watching videos, movies, etc.
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Off topic, kinda, I am dubious about placing the buttons onscreen. I haven't played with honeycomb much but with every iteration of android I've owned the screen occasionally freezes leaving only the capacitive buttons operative. If and when the screen freezes in ics will the onscreen buttons remain inoperable? If so, I'm a little glad I got one of the last phones with separate buttons.
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Jesse Buck said:
Off topic, kinda, I am dubious about placing the buttons onscreen. I haven't played with honeycomb much but with every iteration of android I've owned the screen occasionally freezes leaving only the capacitive buttons operative. If and when the screen freezes in ics will the onscreen buttons remain inoperable? If so, I'm a little glad I got one of the last phones with separate buttons.
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I've got a Nook Color...no hardware buttons (aside from power and volume) except home. So we get on-screen ones.
In situations like you describe they still work just fine. Those capacitive buttons are just a piece of the screen with no, well, screen under it. Same digitizer. I wouldn't worry about it.
The most recent leaked specs are pretty underwhelming, pretty much only the HD screen is a real upgrade and even then it's going to be curved (wtf) and smaller, harder to read text. The Prime is more of a sidegrade than anything, and not a very appealing one at that. I'm sticking with my galaxy II
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The most recent leaked specs are pretty underwhelming, pretty much only the HD screen is a real upgrade and even then it's going to be curved (wtf) and smaller, harder to read text. The Prime is more of a sidegrade than anything, and not a very appealing one at that. I'm sticking with my galaxy II
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Exactly
Samsung is going to make the galaxy for google and its users will benefit from having updates asap and vanilla android; however the galaxy S series is samsung's flagship. The galaxy S3 will be the next real upgrade from our devices.
Pheno.menon said:
The most recent leaked specs are pretty underwhelming, pretty much only the HD screen is a real upgrade and even then it's going to be curved (wtf) and smaller, harder to read text. The Prime is more of a sidegrade than anything, and not a very appealing one at that. I'm sticking with my galaxy II
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What is the recently leaked specs. The last I saw it had a 4.6" screen.
HondaCop said:
Yea, you are missing the fact that the menu buttons can be programmed to auto hide for most applications as the developer sees fit. I doubt you will see the menu buttons while playing games and watching videos, movies, etc.
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On my galaxy tab 10.1 it was the same concept with using on screen keys only and they never once dissapeared. There are threads and people rooting just to try and get the buttons to move off screen during video playback and such. Idk. We will sure find out wont we? But ya I think for the most part the buttons will always be on the screen 90% of the time
I've been looking at galaxy nexus videos for the last couple of days and the software key area does not look capable of using that area for anything but those keys. The screen looks like it ends before the keys.
The most recent leaked specs are pretty underwhelming, pretty much only the HD screen is a real upgrade and even then it's going to be curved (wtf) and smaller, harder to read text. The Prime is more of a sidegrade than anything, and not a very appealing one at that. I'm sticking with my galaxy II
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I agree as well. This phone feels like a mini tablet. If the screen resolution is better, hopefully they put a bigger battery to balance it out. It would make a difference right? Higher Res equals more battery use? Anyhow I love this phone. It is not going anywhere. I can't find anything (other than LOS) which I never get on pulled stock kernel. Wifi range is better than OG Epic, battery great, Bluetooth connects properly, Everything works and works well for me
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daneurysm said:
I've got a Nook Color...no hardware buttons (aside from power and volume) except home. So we get on-screen ones.
In situations like you describe they still work just fine. Those capacitive buttons are just a piece of the screen with no, well, screen under it. Same digitizer. I wouldn't worry about it.
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There is actual screen underneath those buttons. Idk if you've seen any of the demos but when doing thing like playing games or watching media those buttons disappear completely leaving you with a 4.65 inch hd screen. Another plus point is that they'll be context sensitive. So the dev of a given app can change them to fit your needs at any given time. I may be striking out from the crowd here but I'm actually totally in favor of then on screen keys. One of the most attractive features of the gnex in my opinion is the bezel to bezel screen.
Bezel to Bezel screen would be t*ts
depends what u mean besides the capacitive buttons the nexus still has more room density wise
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Isn't this phone out?
It's a joke phone with the newest OS.
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There is actual screen underneath those buttons. Idk if you've seen any of the demos but when doing thing like playing games or watching media those buttons disappear completely leaving you with a 4.65 inch hd screen. Another plus point is that they'll be context sensitive. So the dev of a given app can change them to fit your needs at any given time. I may be striking out from the crowd here but I'm actually totally in favor of then on screen keys. One of the most attractive features of the gnex in my opinion is the bezel to bezel screen.
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I don't mean to sound like a ****, but, I'm not sure what your point is. I agree with you 100%. My only point was that on-screen buttons were no different than our current setup, as they are digitizer driven just the same (meaning that our buttons are the same on on-screen buttons except there is no screen underneath them and that their reliability in 'locked up' circumstances is not to be a concern.)
Also, addressing OP's main question, if you do the math....given the resolution and subpixel division between both phones we have, roughly, the identical panel but with a slightly different sub-pixel division. We have an absolutely identical sub-pixel amount...sure, they have less sub-pixels and we have more, but, they have more resolution and we have less. It's the same panel configured with a slightly different sub-pixel arrangement...so...for all intents and purposes consider our screen size identical. 0.10" is nothing to worry about.
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Isn't this phone out?
It's a joke phone with the newest OS.
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I kinda agree, the phone itself isn't all that. I felt the same way with the nexus s also.
The other cool thing is that the buttons rotate to the bottom of the screen when you flip between portrait and landscape
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I kinda agree, the phone itself isn't all that. I felt the same way with the nexus s also.
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I second that. I'm not too fond of the 16:9 aspect ratio on the GN compared to the screen ratio on our device. I think we have the superior hardware.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review
Of course the new Galaxy Nexus has a better screen. It will look the same size as ours but will be a lot higher resolution. The screen is better on the Nexus and it is the one thing, other than ICS, I wish the SGS2 had. The Nexus and SGS2 have almost exactly the same physical footprint so it doesn't feel different than ours but you get more screen real estate when you need it (games, movies, internet, etc.). The people complaining about the 16x9 are off because the only time it seems like that is when you are in a movie or game and then 16x9 is great because it's like an HDTV. The area the SGS2 excels are the Camera and the processor. I don't know how anyone on here can argue that our older, lower res screen is in any way better than the new 720p Galaxy Nexus.
For those who got this as a pseudo tablet? its been almost 6 weeks I got the beauty and about 2 weeks since I got the allshare cast, and I haven't touched my roku or asus media player
Note 2 is everything for me, after using it so much, the screen size is normal to me ( compared to my previous S3 ) but I really don't mind it being slightly bigger - about 6"
Lol
I dont get it.. are u asking a question? And if so.... this is general
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inningsdefeat500 said:
Note 2 is everything for me, after using it so much, the screen size is normal to me ( compared to my previous S3 ) but I really don't mind it being slightly bigger - about 6"
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So you are saying that you'd like it to be more like answering your TV when it rings? Wow.
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This question is redundant for many reasons, the biggest being I've seen about two active threads on XDA, about this...
Cnet: Galaxy Note 3 with 6.3-inch display reportedly in the works
The rumor is that 6.3" will be the next screen size. Whether this is true remains to be seen. Too early to tell.
With a 16:9 aspect ratio for the screen, that would mean the width of the phone would grow approximately 0.375" more, or 3.5". (Note II's width is 3.125".)
Personally, I actually like the idea. I probably wouldn't even mind a 7" (Approximately 7.25" if I go by 9cm x 16cm.) screen if they keep to the edge thinness around the screen, if not thinner. That should allow the growth of the phone to be as minimal as possible. Of course, I'd stop at 7" for the max size I wouldn't mind on my phone. Any larger and many people will definitely start having problems holding their phones edge to edge.
twanskys204 said:
Lol
I dont get it.. are u asking a question? And if so.... this is general
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meatlocker said:
So you are saying that you'd like it to be more like answering your TV when it rings? Wow.
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This question is redundant for many reasons, the biggest being I've seen about two active threads on XDA, about this...
Cnet: Galaxy Note 3 with 6.3-inch display reportedly in the works
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General Thread - thus the question
I am basically saying that since many of us got this as pseudo tablet, it would be nice to have a slightly bigger screen so we could read ebooks etc
When I got the S3, screen seemed big and then we get used to it, same with the note - but we could increase that threshold to perfection
Its still a phone man...are u kidding? if thats the case u gonna expect them to make it 8 inches next year???
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Its still a phone man...are u kidding? if thats the case u gonna expect them to make it 8 inches next year???
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I know but much better than carrying 2 devices, what I am saying it would satisfy being a tablet and a regular phone if it was slightly more bigger
I have no issues carrying it now, hands have plenty more room
I wouldn't care for a larger screen so much as I would like Samsung to natively support a better pixel density so that I could fit more onto the screen. Something like 182 instead of the default 240(?).
If they kept the phone the same size, but increased the screen size, it would not be too bad.
I'm wondering if the next Note could eliminate the home button. That would be one way of increasing screen real estate, without making the device too much larger. It could go fully-touchscreen, as Jelly Bean devices are supposed to be, anyway. However, I think the home button has sort of become synonymous with the Galaxy line of devices, so it may stay. I would love 6 - 6.3" inches on the new Note. I wouldn't have issues with mobility.
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I'm wondering if the next Note could eliminate the home button. That would be one way of increasing screen real estate, without making the device too much larger. It could go fully-touchscreen, as Jelly Bean devices are supposed to be, anyway. However, I think the home button has sort of become synonymous with the Galaxy line of devices, so it may stay. I would love 6 - 6.3" inches on the new Note. I wouldn't have issues with mobility.
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Why not 7" I think it will still fit my back pocket gotta love big screen phone.
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Why not 7" I think it will still fit my back pocket gotta love big screen phone.
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Then its like the tablet, but seriously, slightly more bigger would be sweet
I would like to see no home button and screen extended all the way up and down. 6"-6,3" screen would be awesome.
I am fine as is hope they don't make the size of the phone bigger. If they can make screen bigger but keep same size I am OK with that.
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I used to think I'd want a Note 3 to have a 6" screen with small bezels and no home button. Now that I've played with my Note 2 for a week, I'm guessing I'll prefer going the other way. I'd rather have a 5" 1080p phone with very thin side bezels, a thin top bezel, and a thicker bottom bezel with 5 configurable capacitive buttons (I have a Nexus 7 and I like most things Nexus, but disagree with the move to on-screen buttons which most of the time waste real-estate). I'd be fine with a thicker phone too though to get an even bigger battery - heck, I'll take 4000 mAh or more, now that I know what 3100 can do. I knew the Note 2 was long and had tried mockups before buying, but now that I have the real thing, it's a bit too long for me - not a deal breaker, but I no longer think about going bigger. By the time 5" 1080p screens are common items and I upgrade from the Note 2, I hope there will be lots of options, some with pens (which I'm not convinced I need, but an interesting thing to try), and ideally, some without Touchwiz which I really don't like so far - I'm sure I'll be trying a ROM with a more Nexus like experience before I'm done with this phone. Too bad Google missed the ball (for me) so badly with the Nexus 4, I would have liked to consider it. Maybe the Nexus 5 or whatever the first 1080p Nexus will be called will be better.
Yes it will has 6 inch screen
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I used to think I'd want a Note 3 to have a 6" screen with small bezels and no home button. Now that I've played with my Note 2 for a week, I'm guessing I'll prefer going the other way. I'd rather have a 5" 1080p phone with very thin side bezels, a thin top bezel, and a thicker bottom bezel with 5 configurable capacitive buttons (I have a Nexus 7 and I like most things Nexus, but disagree with the move to on-screen buttons which most of the time waste real-estate). I'd be fine with a thicker phone too though to get an even bigger battery - heck, I'll take 4000 mAh or more, now that I know what 3100 can do. I knew the Note 2 was long and had tried mockups before buying, but now that I have the real thing, it's a bit too long for me - not a deal breaker, but I no longer think about going bigger. By the time 5" 1080p screens are common items and I upgrade from the Note 2, I hope there will be lots of options, some with pens (which I'm not convinced I need, but an interesting thing to try), and ideally, some without Touchwiz which I really don't like so far - I'm sure I'll be trying a ROM with a more Nexus like experience before I'm done with this phone. Too bad Google missed the ball (for me) so badly with the Nexus 4, I would have liked to consider it. Maybe the Nexus 5 or whatever the first 1080p Nexus will be called will be better.
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This has absolutely no chance in hell of happening, for a plethora of reasons.
1) It would be going backwards, when sales of the Galaxy Note line have proven that people like phones with really large screens, so Samsung backtracking to anything smaller that 5.5" inches would be stupid, and would eventually run into product overlap.
2) The product overlap would come with the rumored Galaxy S4. The S4 is strongly rumored to have a 5" screen. There's probably a good chance it will also have 1080p, but I sort of doubt it. At any rate, there would be no business case for Samsung to have two products that are virtually identical. The S III already shares a significant amount of the Note IIs features, sans having an S Pen. You make a Note III with a 5" screen and you'll just have an S4 with an S Pen. That's utterly asinine.
3) I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 720p screen and a 1080p screen. This is just the hype for this year. Seems like every year there a new hype geared towards sheep and ill-informed people. One year it was 3D technology. Last year it was quad core technology. This year its 1080p. Another year photo pixels were all the rave. Another year Apple's retina display was all the rave. Pretty much none of those things mean jack s*** in the grand scheme of things. I remember when I was going to purchase a new 40"+ 3D LED TV. I read many reviews to see if there was a huge difference between 720p and full-1080p HD. EVERY review stated that the only time the difference between 720p & 1080p became noticeable and worth considering, was when you had a screen larger than 40". So, if that's true, there's no way in hell anyone is seeing a noteworthy screen difference in a device as small as a cellular phone. At one point, I had a 720p Plasma HDTV and a 3D LED HDTV, simultaneously. To be honest, I was more impressed with the display on my 720p plasma, than I am on my 1080p 3D TV I ended up keeping. And I only kept the 3D television because it was packed with more features that sort of leveled the playing field.
If you desire as smaller phone, the great thing about Android, is that there's seemingly an endless array of phones to choose from. Get an S III or S4 or DNA or Nexus. Sounds like the Note II isn't a good fit for you.
Currently I'm sure I can't tell the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 for a 5" display. When I finally break down and admit I'm old enough to use reading glasses (which I should have done years ago as my close focus distance moved from 7" where it used to be to 13" now), then I suspect I will be able to tell the difference when holding my phone closer than 8". Other than focus, I have no issue holding my phone that close and I'll be able to get that much more detail into my brain (from maps, text, whatever). You can call 1080p hype if you want, but I think it is still actual progress. I don't know what photo pixels are, and I was not interested in 3D myself, but 1080p I am optimistic about.
Sorry if I'm not following thread rules or something - I'm just saying what I was thinking. I agree that Samsung Note 3 will quite likely go bigger, especially if the S4 is bigger. Who knows, anything could happen by the time I get another phone - maybe the glasses concept will be so appealing, I'll go that route.
I chose the Note II because a) I wanted a 5" or more display, b) I wanted to try out the s-pen concept which I don't know if it will be for me or not till I try, c) I wanted a big battery, and SD storage, d) I don't want to change carriers since as much as I don't like AT&T for many reasons, I'm on a family plan which I don't want to change and they are the only carrier with good coverage over my work campus. I ruled out the Nexus 4 and the Droid DNA pretty fast though I looked at them. I absolutely didn't need LTE and my data experience with AT&T around Los Angeles for a few days and Las Vegas for a few days has been very unimpressive - no better than my previous 3GS iPhone. Hopefully that will improve as the network improves.
Anyway, it's pretty early to speculate now - I better get back to figuring out how to use my phone to get my core iPhone use cases working again: podcasts, visual voicemail (both of these use cases require installing add on software I've found), offline topographic maps (I have 3 programs I've been trying on the Nexus 7), and a few other things. For ROMs, the HyperNote sounded the most interesting to me, but it seems like the AT&T model won't run many ROMs yet (e.g. no HyperNote yet) - I hope this is some transitional issue as porting ROMs from the International to the various carrier versions (which is a huge annoyance to me that this fracturing even exists) is worked out.
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If they kept the phone the same size, but increased the screen size, it would not be too bad.
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This. I wouldn't want anything physically bigger, but if they can remove more bezel (and NOT remove physical buttons), That would be sweet.
Trying to see what factors influenced people here to get a 4.3" screen over a 5".
Portability is a good reason but how do you reconcile that with decreased readability of a smaller screen.
The trend was to move from iphone size screen over to 5 inchers. 5 inches seems optimum. Anything bigger and it becomes unwieldy. Now it seems we're going in the opposite direction.
So given a choice over the Z1 or compact. Why would you go with the compact ?
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Trying to see what factors influenced people here to get a 4.3" screen over a 5".
Portability is a good reason but how do you reconcile that with decreased readability of a smaller screen.
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i am really, really glad someone took the step to release a 4,3"-phone with descent hardware-specs. I just want to reach all corners of the screen while holding it in one hand. Can't do this with 5" or larger. Also, i don't need 5" for any reason on my mobile. I got a Nexus 7 for watching movies, playing HiRes-Games and all the other stuff, a large screen is good for. So 4,3" on the mobile is perfect for me because it fits into the pocket and i can use it one-handed.
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Trying to see what factors influenced people here to get a 4.3" screen over a 5".
Portability is a good reason but how do you reconcile that with decreased readability of a smaller screen.
The trend was to move from iphone size screen over to 5 inchers. 5 inches seems optimum. Anything bigger and it unwieldy. Now it seems we're going in the opposite direction.
So given a choice over the Z1 or compact. Why would you go with the compact ?
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Size.
And as a bonus a better IPS-display.
I moved from a Galaxy S3 which I'd had for 2 years. My main worry about getting the Z1c was the smaller screen. And after having the Z1c for a couple of days I'm getting used to it.
I do find the keyboard letters smaller but. I do love this phone. It's far speedier than the S3 and I find the text shaper.
I'm not missing the 4.8" S3 at all.
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i am really, really glad someone took the step to release a 4,3"-phone with descent hardware-specs. I just want to reach all corners of the screen while holding it in one hand. Can't do this with 5" or larger.
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Underlined bit is a major reason i've heard people mention for not going beyond 5 inchers.
Time was you could not make a screen that big and be able to use it one handed. Things have changed. many people think the Z1 is very close to the size of the note 3 yet only offers a 5 inch screen.
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Also, i don't need 5" for any reason on my mobile. I got a Nexus 7 for watching movies, playing HiRes-Games and all the other stuff, a large screen is good for. So 4,3" on the mobile is perfect for me because it fits into the pocket and i can use it one-handed.
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What about web browsing though ? granted reading on a 5 incher isn't all that great either. but does going smaller make it worse.
Not talking about ppi or anything just wondering whether the reduced screen estate gets in the way. If you don't do much browsing then its moot. But part of owning a smartphone is being able to do just that. To browse on the move.
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What about web browsing though ? granted reading on a 5 incher isn't all that great either. but does going smaller make it worse.
Not talking about ppi or anything just wondering whether the reduced screen estate gets in the way. If you don't do much browsing then its moot. But part of owning a smartphone is being able to do just that. To browse on the move.
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i rarely use the browser. For most things (Wikipedia, Facebook, Amazon, Imgur, xda, etc.) i use the appropriate app. And reading within those apps doesn't make a difference between 4.3" and 5" for me. So: no, i don't browse a lot (by meaning "browsing" in the classical way using the browser), but gather information using the mobile apps. Which works just perfect for me. Especially as i changed the dpi to 280, so there's a bit more room for content.
If i had a chance to choose from z1 to z1c ill get z1c. Battery and screen size. Ratio of battery to screen size is almost perfect. I hope thwy should keep this ratio.
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Size. 5"+ is a mini tablet imo and impractical for one handed operation, and for some reason manufacturers seem to have thought this far that everyone wants a big screen which for me just isn't the case, where as the Z1 Compact is perfect for a "mobile" Phone.
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Specs and Size for me.
I've had the HTC One X now for nearly 2 years, and coming close to upgrade time so had been looking around anyway, however, started a new job five months ago and was given an iPhone 5 as my works phone.
Both on the same network, so has been a really good test for me to compare the two OS's back to back. And while the iPhone has loads of really nice features, there are so many things it lacks (and also performs really poorly on, like dealing with anything in a poor signal area), which has made me really prefer Android.
The only one thing that I really like about the iPhone 5 compared to my HTC, is the size... it's made it feel massive, and now I've used both side by side, I really notice how much nicer a smaller phone is to use day to day.
Went to look at all the other 'Mini' phones, and they're all the same spec as my current HTC One X, which considering it's nearly 2 years old, seemed pointless to pay for a 'new' phone, when it's no better than my existing one, only smaller.
Then the Compact was announced, with same high-end specs as all the other flagship phones, and fit the bill perfectly!
I bought a Z1c after a "Hands-On" in a shop and I had the same reasons as many others: Size and Spec
Size:
Some people state that the size of an IPhone 4s is perfect, some other prefer a 5". So it's more a point of view and taste.
I've had many "hands-on" with different devices and for my taste/usage everything above 4.6" would be too much.
If possible I still like to use my thumb for scrolling, etc and with Z1c I can reach almost every corner of the screen.
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I guess I don't have to go in detail? It's just perfect and is a great successor of my Xperia S.
Size. and HQ Sony Camera
So thats what I thought...but after I saw how bad the cam is, probably will get rid of this piece of crap.
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The only one thing that I really like about the iPhone 5 compared to my HTC, is the size... it's made it feel massive, and now I've used both side by side, I really notice how much nicer a smaller phone is to use day to day.
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Yeah, that's a very improtant reason. A phone ought to be portable if it isn't then you're compromising for something else.
I take it you're not much of a web browser either ?
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Went to look at all the other 'Mini' phones, and they're all the same spec as my current HTC One X, which considering it's nearly 2 years old, seemed pointless to pay for a 'new' phone, when it's no better than my existing one, only smaller.
Then the Compact was announced, with same high-end specs as all the other flagship phones, and fit the bill perfectly!
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Sony is teaching everybody else how to make a compact instead of some crippled smaller unit.
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Size. and HQ Sony Camera
So thats what I thought...but after I saw how bad the cam is, probably will get rid of this piece of crap.
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wow. That's what i call a rash decision.
Perhaps you might wanna take a thought about waiting for the next 2 or 3 ROM-Updates from Sony before "getting rid of this piece of crap"? Time tells us that newly released flagships might get better with new FW-Versions....
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If i had a chance to choose from z1 to z1c ill get z1c. Battery and screen size. Ratio of battery to screen size is almost perfect. I hope thwy should keep this ratio.
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Power to weight ratio.
Z1c endurance is 65 h, whereas the Z1 is 53h. The browsing doubled in time compared to the Z1.
Let's see how real world screen on times compare but i expect they will be better based on gsm arena's benchmarks.
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Perhaps you might wanna take a thought about waiting for the next 2 or 3 ROM-Updates from Sony before "getting rid of this piece of crap"?
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If it´s really a software issue. I mean my cam is making yellow pictures - this cannot be a random software issue. I have to use my nexus 4 to make photos, that´s crazy, why do I have this new phone?
But for 500€ it´s not ok that sony is selling untested smartphones
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If it´s really a software issue. I mean my cam is making yellow pictures - this cannot be a random software issue. I have to use my nexus 4 to make photos, that´s crazy, why do I have this new phone?
But for 500€ it´s not ok that sony is selling untested smartphones
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i remember pictures being pretty crappy on my HTC One last year. Some firmware-updates really improved quality a lot. So don't underestimate the mighty power of good firmwares.
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I take it you're not much of a web browser either ?.
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I browse the web a lot on my mobile when I'm on the go for quick bits of info, and the size difference between the HTC One X, and the iPhone didn't make a great deal of difference, as you still need to zoom in on most non-mobile optimised pages either way.
Although if I know I'm going to be browsing for a long period of time (20+ mins) I'll always jump on a PC as it's much easier.
The reason I went for the compact if the normal was the IPS screen. Much better viewing angles and improved design.
I'm not bothered about screen size at all. But I don't spend all day looking at my phone to be honest. Better in the pocket that a big screen phone also
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wow. That's what i call a rash decision.
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+1 Has any Phone been perfect upon release, I'd wait until until a FW update to see if that sorts it, if not return it.
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If it´s really a software issue. I mean my cam is making yellow pictures - this cannot be a random software issue.
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Is this indoors or outdoors ?