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A word about some of the complaints that people on the forums seem to be making

List of complaints that need to be addressed because people keep making threads on them:
1. The Camera is 5 MP.
Okay, anybody who things that megapixels = quality probably knows very little about photography. More megapixels in many cases introduces more noise, especially considering how small the camera is.
If you want to print photos at a letter sized at 300 ppi, invest in a REAL camera. A low end DSLR will blow any phone out of the water; the image sensor is several times as large.
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/more/cameras/megapixel_converter.html
Until we see this phone next to a Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 4S taking pictures in a controlled environment, we can't say that this camera sucks.
2. The pentile display
It is currently not possible to make a 1280x720 or 1280x800 RBG display at the size we want and if they made it bigger, it would be very expensive.
http://pentileblog.com/uncategorized/pentile-for-720-hd-oled-smartphones/
The Galaxy Note has reached a point where some people say that they cannot see the subpixels, so this phone should not be a problem.
The only real valid criticism that the screen has a "blue" tint. For those that are unfamiliar with OLED technology, blue subpixels have the shortest lifespan. This was a deliberate decision by Samsung to maximize screen life.
Overall, side by side comparisons indicate that this is a step forward from the GS2.
3. The SOC/GPU
I am also disappointed in the PowerVR SGX540, but given the circumstances, it is the best SOC they could have chosen. The only alternative would have been the Exynos 4210 (the 4212 uses a new 32nm process not available and is only "sampling" right now) or the Qualcomm Scorpion, with its Adreno 220, which is inferior in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Of particular concern is the new generation of more demanding games and the fact that this GPU needs to drive a 1280x720 screen.
We need to see some real benchmarks as ICS may have had some under the hood optimizations and how it stacks up to the Tegra 3, which will come out in a couple of months. The Tegra 2's GPU was by no means better than the lower clocked (btw, did I mention that this GPU is higher clocked than the one on the GS1?), SGX540 on the first generation of Galaxy S phones.
The OMAP SOC on board is native 1.5 GHz, so I'm sure that you will be able to overclock it back to native clockspeed. I fully anticipate 2 GHz+ mods to come out afterwards.
4. It's too big
Your opinion. I like big phones.
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
6. No SD Card
This is one I am also disappointed at. It's a trend in the Nexus phones right now. Google seems to be encouraging cloud usage. I dislike this one as well, because data is expensive and ICS specifically has data management tools reflecting this.
Somewhat mitigating this is that there are 32 GB versions available and that internal storage is faster than a class 10 SD card.
7. DAC and sound quality?
Unknown and I eagerly await the answer.
Will I buy this phone?
Actually, I am undecided. I want to see reviews first and hold it. I am also eagerly waiting to see what the DAC is. Come H2 2012, A15 parts and perhaps an RGB version of the 720p display are probable. I will however buy it if I can get a sweet deal.

Couldn't agree more on peeps complaining about the 5mp camera!! I have a 3.2mp Sony digital camera that is probably 10 years old. It isn't even a DSLR. But it takes far superior pictures than my 8mp camera on my Charge. Why? In a word, optics !! My old camera has a Zeiss lens on it. It is folly IMO to expect high quality pictures from a phone camera !! If you want to be a photographer, buy a camera !!

All valid points, was a good write up. I especially agree with the point about waiting to see it in the flesh.

I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp

The issue I take up with the size is that it feels like there's a lot of blank and empty black space in not only the bezel (especially the bottom) but also with ICS. In general, the size and look of the device is both a love and hate. Sometimes I think it's gorgeous, and other times I think it's hideous. I think this is one of those "time will tell" things.

Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.

JCopernicus said:
Counter arguement:
My Opinion > Your Opinion.
Your move.
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Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".

bmstrong said:
Counter counter agruement: Who gives a s$&" until we all actually hold the damn thing in our hands and each of us can make up our own minds. Until then this is just bull$&@".
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Then why did you bother posting in the first place?

Enough.
The very purpose of this thread was to minimize this kind of trolling.

For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm

justabrake said:
I'm a zoom in shooter where does that leave me coming from a 4mp to a 8mp and back down to a 5mp
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Stand closer?
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Bawb3 said:
Stand closer?
Use a program? I posted one earlier.
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i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore

justabrake said:
i tried programs on my iphones and believe it or not i had to remove them because of issues and i don't want touch camera programs anymore
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Not camera apps. A program to enlarge a picture there are some for professional use. You know there's still something called a PC .
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For those who think the phone is big.. here are some pics to help you decide...
http://asia.cnet.com/large-screen-smartphones-pocket-test-photos-62211932.htm
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Stuff fits easily in empty pants, amazing.
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I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Most of these "it won't fit my pocket" arguments are troll posts from people who have no intention of buying the phone.
I have played for a bit with the Galaxy Note. It was big, but it did fit in my jeans with my keys inside.

sauron0101 said:
5. Plastic
Samsung's phones actually last pretty well. I have seen HTC's which get praised for their build break. A friend of mine owns a repair shop for phones. Apparently 90% of his smartphone displays that he repairs are iPhones, which also get praised. He is delighted that the new iPhone 4S shares the same design as its predecessor.
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I'll be happy with the durability if its as good as the Galaxy S II. With curved design of the Nexus, it'll less likely to get screen damaged on drops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw

Lootes said:
I had the opportunity to play with one over this past weekend. In regards to size, if you have held an SGSII in your hand it is more or less the same size. Slightly taller, but not really enough that one could use the "won't fit in my pocket" argument. The screen looks fantastic and ICS is very smooth, even on the beta build it was running.
That being said, would I upgrade my SGSII for it? Still not sure. I will have to see if I get the fever when it is released and order one.
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Any difference in the feel between the two SGS2 -Nexus

So I've had a dozen different android phones but none without an SD card. How does this work? Does it have a partition to mimic the sd card? Im going to get this phone regardless, but want to know if I can transfer all my files over from the sd card on my current phone.
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Should Note 3 be slightly bigger?

For those who got this as a pseudo tablet? its been almost 6 weeks I got the beauty and about 2 weeks since I got the allshare cast, and I haven't touched my roku or asus media player
Note 2 is everything for me, after using it so much, the screen size is normal to me ( compared to my previous S3 ) but I really don't mind it being slightly bigger - about 6"

Lol
I dont get it.. are u asking a question? And if so.... this is general
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inningsdefeat500 said:
Note 2 is everything for me, after using it so much, the screen size is normal to me ( compared to my previous S3 ) but I really don't mind it being slightly bigger - about 6"
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So you are saying that you'd like it to be more like answering your TV when it rings? Wow.
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This question is redundant for many reasons, the biggest being I've seen about two active threads on XDA, about this...
Cnet: Galaxy Note 3 with 6.3-inch display reportedly in the works

The rumor is that 6.3" will be the next screen size. Whether this is true remains to be seen. Too early to tell.
With a 16:9 aspect ratio for the screen, that would mean the width of the phone would grow approximately 0.375" more, or 3.5". (Note II's width is 3.125".)
Personally, I actually like the idea. I probably wouldn't even mind a 7" (Approximately 7.25" if I go by 9cm x 16cm.) screen if they keep to the edge thinness around the screen, if not thinner. That should allow the growth of the phone to be as minimal as possible. Of course, I'd stop at 7" for the max size I wouldn't mind on my phone. Any larger and many people will definitely start having problems holding their phones edge to edge.

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I dont get it.. are u asking a question? And if so.... this is general
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So you are saying that you'd like it to be more like answering your TV when it rings? Wow.
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This question is redundant for many reasons, the biggest being I've seen about two active threads on XDA, about this...
Cnet: Galaxy Note 3 with 6.3-inch display reportedly in the works
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General Thread - thus the question
I am basically saying that since many of us got this as pseudo tablet, it would be nice to have a slightly bigger screen so we could read ebooks etc
When I got the S3, screen seemed big and then we get used to it, same with the note - but we could increase that threshold to perfection

Its still a phone man...are u kidding? if thats the case u gonna expect them to make it 8 inches next year???
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Its still a phone man...are u kidding? if thats the case u gonna expect them to make it 8 inches next year???
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I know but much better than carrying 2 devices, what I am saying it would satisfy being a tablet and a regular phone if it was slightly more bigger
I have no issues carrying it now, hands have plenty more room

I wouldn't care for a larger screen so much as I would like Samsung to natively support a better pixel density so that I could fit more onto the screen. Something like 182 instead of the default 240(?).

If they kept the phone the same size, but increased the screen size, it would not be too bad.

I'm wondering if the next Note could eliminate the home button. That would be one way of increasing screen real estate, without making the device too much larger. It could go fully-touchscreen, as Jelly Bean devices are supposed to be, anyway. However, I think the home button has sort of become synonymous with the Galaxy line of devices, so it may stay. I would love 6 - 6.3" inches on the new Note. I wouldn't have issues with mobility.

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I'm wondering if the next Note could eliminate the home button. That would be one way of increasing screen real estate, without making the device too much larger. It could go fully-touchscreen, as Jelly Bean devices are supposed to be, anyway. However, I think the home button has sort of become synonymous with the Galaxy line of devices, so it may stay. I would love 6 - 6.3" inches on the new Note. I wouldn't have issues with mobility.
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Why not 7" I think it will still fit my back pocket gotta love big screen phone.
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jon3sh said:
Why not 7" I think it will still fit my back pocket gotta love big screen phone.
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Then its like the tablet, but seriously, slightly more bigger would be sweet

I would like to see no home button and screen extended all the way up and down. 6"-6,3" screen would be awesome.

I am fine as is hope they don't make the size of the phone bigger. If they can make screen bigger but keep same size I am OK with that.
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I used to think I'd want a Note 3 to have a 6" screen with small bezels and no home button. Now that I've played with my Note 2 for a week, I'm guessing I'll prefer going the other way. I'd rather have a 5" 1080p phone with very thin side bezels, a thin top bezel, and a thicker bottom bezel with 5 configurable capacitive buttons (I have a Nexus 7 and I like most things Nexus, but disagree with the move to on-screen buttons which most of the time waste real-estate). I'd be fine with a thicker phone too though to get an even bigger battery - heck, I'll take 4000 mAh or more, now that I know what 3100 can do. I knew the Note 2 was long and had tried mockups before buying, but now that I have the real thing, it's a bit too long for me - not a deal breaker, but I no longer think about going bigger. By the time 5" 1080p screens are common items and I upgrade from the Note 2, I hope there will be lots of options, some with pens (which I'm not convinced I need, but an interesting thing to try), and ideally, some without Touchwiz which I really don't like so far - I'm sure I'll be trying a ROM with a more Nexus like experience before I'm done with this phone. Too bad Google missed the ball (for me) so badly with the Nexus 4, I would have liked to consider it. Maybe the Nexus 5 or whatever the first 1080p Nexus will be called will be better.

Yes it will has 6 inch screen
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dara.parsavand said:
I used to think I'd want a Note 3 to have a 6" screen with small bezels and no home button. Now that I've played with my Note 2 for a week, I'm guessing I'll prefer going the other way. I'd rather have a 5" 1080p phone with very thin side bezels, a thin top bezel, and a thicker bottom bezel with 5 configurable capacitive buttons (I have a Nexus 7 and I like most things Nexus, but disagree with the move to on-screen buttons which most of the time waste real-estate). I'd be fine with a thicker phone too though to get an even bigger battery - heck, I'll take 4000 mAh or more, now that I know what 3100 can do. I knew the Note 2 was long and had tried mockups before buying, but now that I have the real thing, it's a bit too long for me - not a deal breaker, but I no longer think about going bigger. By the time 5" 1080p screens are common items and I upgrade from the Note 2, I hope there will be lots of options, some with pens (which I'm not convinced I need, but an interesting thing to try), and ideally, some without Touchwiz which I really don't like so far - I'm sure I'll be trying a ROM with a more Nexus like experience before I'm done with this phone. Too bad Google missed the ball (for me) so badly with the Nexus 4, I would have liked to consider it. Maybe the Nexus 5 or whatever the first 1080p Nexus will be called will be better.
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This has absolutely no chance in hell of happening, for a plethora of reasons.
1) It would be going backwards, when sales of the Galaxy Note line have proven that people like phones with really large screens, so Samsung backtracking to anything smaller that 5.5" inches would be stupid, and would eventually run into product overlap.
2) The product overlap would come with the rumored Galaxy S4. The S4 is strongly rumored to have a 5" screen. There's probably a good chance it will also have 1080p, but I sort of doubt it. At any rate, there would be no business case for Samsung to have two products that are virtually identical. The S III already shares a significant amount of the Note IIs features, sans having an S Pen. You make a Note III with a 5" screen and you'll just have an S4 with an S Pen. That's utterly asinine.
3) I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 720p screen and a 1080p screen. This is just the hype for this year. Seems like every year there a new hype geared towards sheep and ill-informed people. One year it was 3D technology. Last year it was quad core technology. This year its 1080p. Another year photo pixels were all the rave. Another year Apple's retina display was all the rave. Pretty much none of those things mean jack s*** in the grand scheme of things. I remember when I was going to purchase a new 40"+ 3D LED TV. I read many reviews to see if there was a huge difference between 720p and full-1080p HD. EVERY review stated that the only time the difference between 720p & 1080p became noticeable and worth considering, was when you had a screen larger than 40". So, if that's true, there's no way in hell anyone is seeing a noteworthy screen difference in a device as small as a cellular phone. At one point, I had a 720p Plasma HDTV and a 3D LED HDTV, simultaneously. To be honest, I was more impressed with the display on my 720p plasma, than I am on my 1080p 3D TV I ended up keeping. And I only kept the 3D television because it was packed with more features that sort of leveled the playing field.
If you desire as smaller phone, the great thing about Android, is that there's seemingly an endless array of phones to choose from. Get an S III or S4 or DNA or Nexus. Sounds like the Note II isn't a good fit for you.

Currently I'm sure I can't tell the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 for a 5" display. When I finally break down and admit I'm old enough to use reading glasses (which I should have done years ago as my close focus distance moved from 7" where it used to be to 13" now), then I suspect I will be able to tell the difference when holding my phone closer than 8". Other than focus, I have no issue holding my phone that close and I'll be able to get that much more detail into my brain (from maps, text, whatever). You can call 1080p hype if you want, but I think it is still actual progress. I don't know what photo pixels are, and I was not interested in 3D myself, but 1080p I am optimistic about.
Sorry if I'm not following thread rules or something - I'm just saying what I was thinking. I agree that Samsung Note 3 will quite likely go bigger, especially if the S4 is bigger. Who knows, anything could happen by the time I get another phone - maybe the glasses concept will be so appealing, I'll go that route.
I chose the Note II because a) I wanted a 5" or more display, b) I wanted to try out the s-pen concept which I don't know if it will be for me or not till I try, c) I wanted a big battery, and SD storage, d) I don't want to change carriers since as much as I don't like AT&T for many reasons, I'm on a family plan which I don't want to change and they are the only carrier with good coverage over my work campus. I ruled out the Nexus 4 and the Droid DNA pretty fast though I looked at them. I absolutely didn't need LTE and my data experience with AT&T around Los Angeles for a few days and Las Vegas for a few days has been very unimpressive - no better than my previous 3GS iPhone. Hopefully that will improve as the network improves.
Anyway, it's pretty early to speculate now - I better get back to figuring out how to use my phone to get my core iPhone use cases working again: podcasts, visual voicemail (both of these use cases require installing add on software I've found), offline topographic maps (I have 3 programs I've been trying on the Nexus 7), and a few other things. For ROMs, the HyperNote sounded the most interesting to me, but it seems like the AT&T model won't run many ROMs yet (e.g. no HyperNote yet) - I hope this is some transitional issue as porting ROMs from the International to the various carrier versions (which is a huge annoyance to me that this fracturing even exists) is worked out.

SGarnett said:
If they kept the phone the same size, but increased the screen size, it would not be too bad.
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This. I wouldn't want anything physically bigger, but if they can remove more bezel (and NOT remove physical buttons), That would be sweet.

Is this the right phone to get?

For those of you that have this phone, and have had it since close to it's release date, what are your opinions?
I am going to be purchasing a new phone, for use with WindMobile in Canada (i.e. it must be an AWS phone). As far as I can tell this is my best option because I use my phone mostly as a camera so my #1 interest is a camera that does not lag and will open quickly. I also am a fairly heavy user for NUMBER of apps. I have a lot installed and switch between them frequently. I don't play games or watch videos so graphics don't matter much.
The kicker here is I am REALLY hoping to keep this phone for 2 years at least. Do you think that this phone will last? Keeping in mind I don't care about being behind on new technology. I only care that it can handle my volume of use and won't sputter and choke to a slow after 6 months use like the one I have now.
I currently have an Optimus 2X but it is dying. It lags incredibly between tasks and the plastic covering the camera is poor quality and I had to rip it off so the lens is mostly unprotected now. I don't want to deal with stuff like this is I am going to buy a brand new phone. Do you think the Xperia ZL is the right choice?
p.s. I saw a review of the camera where the reviewer said that the photos look great on the BRAVIA screen but once on a computer screen are not very good. Has this been your experience? What about printing?
p.p.s. would appreciate comments about how rugged it is also as I work as a nanny with two 24 month old toddlers. Honestly I want the Z due to it's waterproof encasing but it's not sold new up here in Canada.

so my #1 interest is a camera that does not lag and will open quickly.
--> camera itself is the fastest I've seen. First thing you notice is the super smooth and responsive viewfinder.. even in low light. It always feels 60fps. I compared this to HTC ONE and it's a LOT slower..really.
About opening.. opening of the camera app isn't fastest i've seen (can take 3 secs) but because of the dedicated button you can still open it way faster than phones without button.
I also am a fairly heavy user for NUMBER of apps. I have a lot installed and switch between them frequently. I don't play games or watch videos so graphics don't matter much.
--> Ye as with all 2GB phones multitasking is almost instant and apps never really close.
The kicker here is I am REALLY hoping to keep this phone for 2 years at least. Do you think that this phone will last? Keeping in mind I don't care about being behind on new technology.
Then yes. I don't see why this phone wouldn't make it 2 years.
I only care that it can handle my volume of use and won't sputter and choke to a slow after 6 months use like the one I have now.
With 2GB ram it's pretty future proof IMO.
p.s. I saw a review of the camera where the reviewer said that the photos look great on the BRAVIA screen but once on a computer screen are not very good. Has this been your experience? What about printing?
Well, in my opinion, pictures look suberb on the 5" with bravia engine 2..really gives a wow-factor.
When you then watch them on the PC they look kinda normal/bland/boring..so its just the way you look at it
p.p.s. would appreciate comments about how rugged it is also as I work as a nanny with two 24 month old toddlers. Honestly I want the Z due to it's waterproof encasing but it's not sold new up here in Canada.
The back isn't made from glass but very grippy texture. I haven't dropped mine but the phones feels very sturdy and good quality, except for maybe the little flap on the back for sim/SD.
Honestly I think ZL is very underrated and still (even with new models like Z1) ZL is still my favorite.

Thanks for your quick quick reply!! One clarification I have to ask: I understand what you mean about quality depending on the screen. However when you look on your computer do you think the quality fits the price? Let's put this simply: I am tired of my boyfriend's iphone photos looking SOOOO much better than mine. Can I at least compete now? lol

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Thanks for your quick quick reply!! One clarification I have to ask: I understand what you mean about quality depending on the screen. However when you look on your computer do you think the quality fits the price? Let's put this simply: I am tired of my boyfriend's iphone photos looking SOOOO much better than mine. Can I at least compete now? lol
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To be honest I really like the camera but the software app just doesn't do it justice. Pictures looked a bit washed out when looked at the computer. You can still install another camera app with less compression effects.
Also, for me the camera opens very quickly, less than 1 second with the latest 267 firmware update.
The phone looks gorgeous with the incredibly small bezel for a 5 inch phone. But if you want an awesome camera phone you really should go with the Galaxy S4. Still the best midrange camera phone I've seen so far is clearly the Nokia Lumia 920 but its a Win8 phone... both phone can be easily unlocked if not offered by Wind and are AWS versions.
Also, lots of people complain about the screen being TFT which is the cheapest technology you can use for a phone nowadays. So the viewing angles aren't good but I personally don't care much. But I think you will notice it right away.
Still, for a lot of other aspects, I prefer the Sony ZL

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p.p.s. would appreciate comments about how rugged it is also as I work as a nanny with two 24 month old toddlers. Honestly I want the Z due to it's waterproof encasing but it's not sold new up here in Canada.
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the Z is available through Bell FYI.

I just traded it my s3 for an zl very disappointed in camera in dark places there is a ton of noise I have to also take multiple snaps before I can get a shot to have a properly focused pic if I use flash it works fine but using superior auto mode and in a well lit room it still doesn't compare anything to the s3 which had a very quick focus but other then that the phone is well worth it will last you 2 years if you do not abuse it only thing im concerned is the non removable battery... wonder how will it perform in 2 years from now....
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I just traded it my s3 for an zl very disappointed in camera in dark places there is a ton of noise I have to also take multiple snaps before I can get a shot to have a properly focused pic if I use flash it works fine but using superior auto mode and in a well lit room it still doesn't compare anything to the s3 which had a very quick focus but other then that the phone is well worth it will last you 2 years if you do not abuse it only thing im concerned is the non removable battery... wonder how will it perform in 2 years from now....
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Do you have the latest update? A lot of reviews I saw said that there were a lot of problems before the latest update.

shahkam said:
I just traded it my s3 for an zl very disappointed in camera in dark places there is a ton of noise I have to also take multiple snaps before I can get a shot to have a properly focused pic if I use flash it works fine but using superior auto mode and in a well lit room it still doesn't compare anything to the s3 which had a very quick focus but other then that the phone is well worth it will last you 2 years if you do not abuse it only thing im concerned is the non removable battery... wonder how will it perform in 2 years from now....
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Don't use superior auto by default, it adds way too much noise. Try using normal with some basic tweaks, you will see a major difference.
Especially with the latest update.
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Well I kind of have the same problem. Own an Optimus 2x and now ordered Zl from an amazon offer (350 euros). I love the white version since - if the black back looks cheap - this is absolutely not the case with the white.
However, I am quite disappointed by the screen. You notice the viewing angles immediately and every time the phone is lying on a table in a darker room, it looks like it is showing a bright Grey picture although background is black. So I wanted to return it.
Then I thought of alternatives, but very successful.. I am looking for a phone with no amoled screen, wo no s4. I really want at least 32gb memory and would be happy if it had a working fm radio like XZL (tried Optimus G and thought that must be a bad joke). The Optimus G was nice, but fm radio crap, and due to non expendable storage, I was really missing USB otg. S4 active would be nice, but no fm radio, feels somehow big and is very overpriced. The new nexus 5 seems to only have 16gb.. LG G2 is very expensive with 32gb. And none of them has a dedicated camera button. So I guess xperia zl is a great package! If only they had included a IPS screen (which can be considered as standard today, even for cheap phones).
Today I looked at the screen in a bright room and then it looked way better than yesterday night when it was dark. So I am thinking of keeping the phone - seems like the package is quite good. Or does anyone of you habe a proposal?
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My comments:
The poor viewing angles on the screen aren't as horrible as people make it out to be, the screen is still perfectly good and quite a joy to look at. (plus if you like to be private then it stops people from seeing what you're doing easily)
Picture quality is fine, I have an unlocked bootloader(which I did before TA backups were a thing ;_ and even still everything looks great on the screen. Video quality is pretty good in my opinion. In low light, yes the picture quality does tend to suffer but it's still acceptable for it being a phone, I personally haven't tried tweaking with the settings much besides installing the Z1 camera app port.
If you want to see the quality yourself, here are some photos/videos(mind you the outdoor greenery shots were taken a while ago so the latest updates might have improved things):
http://imgur.com/a/qoqg2#0
http://youtu.be/SXxN14HdeGU
Performance has been pretty good, there are a few things I've noticed which can make it a little laggy, like setting a smaller icon size in Apex and the app Twilight can make scrolling a little laggy, but otherwise performance is snappy.
Something that might be of concern is battery life, due to the non-removeable battery. I can usually get through a day before having to charge. I get about 4-5 hours of video watching, so if I only use the screen for a few hours sporadically(15 minutes here, 15 minutes there) then I can usually push it to 24 hours.
One thing I would really suggest is getting at least a decent screen cover, if not case as well, I have one of those meifeng cases from ebay, it's decent enough quality and it's pretty thin, I don't use it every day though. But the built in screen protector is an absolute lint electromagnet, it's like it's sole purpose was to collect lint, not cool. I picked up a skinomi screen protector, just put it on top of the built in one and it works/looks fine.
One thing I like about the skinomi is that it's slightly soft, so it doesn't scratch easily, but it still a good surface for fingering.
The speaker isn't loud enough to be heard over a concert or some power tools, but if you're just at home or in the car then it's quite adequate, the headphone out is also adequate, though it can be a tad quieter than some might like, depending on headphones used.
The microphones are pretty great, that youtube video? The music in person was ear-screeching, yet somehow the microphones managed to pick everything else up pretty well.
The IR Blaster is fun if you normally use multiple remotes for your home.
I can't really think of anything else at the moment, but feel free to ask and I'll try to answer.
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Shadowman19: Personally I find the viewing angles acceptable knowing that I'm probably never really going to be looking at my phone from these angles anyways, 99% of the time I'm looking at it is straight on.

Personally I don't own a ZL(I currently own an Ion), but i have seen a couple of Z's(the Z screen is similar to the ZL). Honestly, I don't see the difference when tilting the phone(I can definitely see it on my ion). The poor viewing angle claims are exaggerated.

Buyer's Remorse, is Droid Turbo 2 worth it???

I got to be honest, I may suck up the $35 and return this puppy. So far it just hasn't wowed me enough to be worth the $720 (for the 64GB). It doesn't seem faster than my Droid Turbo 1, and the camera is faster at taking pics, but the pics aren't better. The battery life seems about the same. I am not a fan of the size of it. Octa-Core SchMocta-Core is what I say..lol. I do like the design, but again the additional size takes away from that IMO. I went to the DT1 bc of the smaller size coming from a Note 3. I feel like I've gone back up to a Note 3 in size and that is not what I wanted. And it's loaded with games I don't want with additional apps I don't want either. smh. great 5MP front facing camera, though I don't often take selfies...
Also I'm getting complaints of people not hearing me or I sound like I'm breaking up. I'm not sure if it's the phone or the weather. We're having bad weather right now so I've been waiting to see if it clears up.
Can anyone convince me to keep this Turbo 2? It's not bad, but it's also not "much" better than the DT1.

The screen is better, has better white balance and slightly brighter. Battery is definitely longer lasting than DT1 (even though spec-wise it's smaller). Speakers are much louder and crisper sounding. Camera is much sharper, better white balance and the lens is better because corners are not as blurry as DT1. There is MicroSD slot. Front has 5mp with Flash. Screen has a user-replaceable top layer so when you decide to sell 1-2 years from now you can replace your scratched up screen with brand new layer from moto for $29 turning it into almost new phone. Overall design - much stronger casing, no more cracking noise when squeezing the phone. Charging is 13hrs in 15 mins vs 8hrs in 15mins, using 25W charger vs 15W. I had both phones side by side for several days. So I'm not sure in what respect DT2 is worse than DT1, it's basically better in every single aspect I can think of.

First it definitely takes better pics then the t1. It's faster taking pics as well my wife and daughter both have the t1. Now is it worth upgrading from the t1 no absolutely not. I don't know why you would waste your money. I didn't feel upgrading from the Maxx to the turbo was worth it. And that was a bigger upgrade in every way. It's only been a year take it back and wait until next year. I also don't understand you issue with size it is a hair larger that's all.
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dead batteries said:
I got to be honest, I may suck up the $35 and return this puppy. So far it just hasn't wowed me enough to be worth the $720 (for the 64GB). It doesn't seem faster than my Droid Turbo 1, and the camera is faster at taking pics, but the pics aren't better. The battery life seems about the same. I am not a fan of the size of it. Octa-Core SchMocta-Core is what I say..lol. I do like the design, but again the additional size takes away from that IMO. I went to the DT1 bc of the smaller size coming from a Note 3. I feel like I've gone back up to a Note 3 in size and that is not what I wanted. And it's loaded with games I don't want with additional apps I don't want either. smh. great 5MP front facing camera, though I don't often take selfies...
Also I'm getting complaints of people not hearing me or I sound like I'm breaking up. I'm not sure if it's the phone or the weather. We're having bad weather right now so I've been waiting to see if it clears up.
Can anyone convince me to keep this Turbo 2? It's not bad, but it's also not "much" better than the DT1.
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I love this phone but I'm coming from a lgg2. I'm my experience if you ain't happy now with it you won't be later. spend the 35 and get ya something that you will be happy with. When you spend that kind of money for something you need to completely happy.

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The screen is better, has better white balance and slightly brighter. Battery is definitely longer lasting than DT1 (even though spec-wise it's smaller). Speakers are much louder and crisper sounding. Camera is much sharper, better white balance and the lens is better because corners are not as blurry as DT1. There is MicroSD slot. Front has 5mp with Flash. Screen has a user-replaceable top layer so when you decide to sell 1-2 years from now you can replace your scratched up screen with brand new layer from moto for $29 turning it into almost new phone. Overall design - much stronger casing, no more cracking noise when squeezing the phone. Charging is 13hrs in 15 mins vs 8hrs in 15mins, using 25W charger vs 15W. I had both phones side by side for several days. So I'm not sure in what respect DT2 is worse than DT1, it's basically better in every single aspect I can think of.
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I didn't say it was a worse phone at all. I simply said it didn't WOW me out of the box, and a couple days later, I'm still not wowed sadly. I disagree with the battery lasting longer though. My DT1 lasts quite awhile with the same type of usage as my DT2.
As for another phone, there is nothing out there that impresses me. I guess it goes to show how great a job Moto did with the DT1??

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First it definitely takes better pics then the t1. It's faster taking pics as well my wife and daughter both have the t1. Now is it worth upgrading from the t1 no absolutely not. I don't know why you would waste your money. I didn't feel upgrading from the Maxx to the turbo was worth it. And that was a bigger upgrade in every way. It's only been a year take it back and wait until next year. I also don't understand you issue with size it is a hair larger that's all.
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Umm, let's just say I have small hands and leave it at that...lol

no buyers remorse here, cause i got mine for FREE !!! and IMHO, it's wayyyyyy better than the first turbo. i had one and couldn't stand it

Is the Droid Turbo 2, Moto X Force in my case (i live in Europe) worth upgrading from the Nexus 5 (2013)?
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Well, you're correct. It's a lot larger and that won't change. It was a real turn off for me. However, I find that since I can use this phone without a case, it is the same size in my front pocket as my Turbo 1 with a case. And, that was the real test for me. In the end, the rest of the spec improvements, including the SD card, are undeniable. So, I am satisfied with it. If it's too large for you, then you are probably smart to return it before your return window closes. Do I wish it was a 5" phone instead? Yes.

You can uninstall all those preloaded games. You can also go to settings-apps-all and disable all of the vzw bloatware so it is never run and you will never see it.
Have you turned off keep WiFi on when screen is off. Also have you switched to LTE/CDMA in settings? These two changes alone have tripled my battery life.
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Can anyone tell me if the Droid Turbo 2 is worth upgrading from the Nexus 5 of 2013?
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LordCapi said:
Can anyone tell me if the Droid Turbo 2 is worth upgrading from the Nexus 5 of 2013?
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You have asked this same question in 4-5 threads. Please stop it!
Ask it one place, or make a new thread altogether. Stop thread hijacking.
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JasonJoel said:
You have asked this same question in 4-5 threads. Please stop it!
Ask it one place, or make a new thread altogether. Stop thread hijacking.
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Ok sorry, but I just want to know
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After several days of playing with the Turbo2 non-stop, I'm being hit with buyers remorse. Very close to sending it back
No doubt its performance is superb. The camera is great, the turbo charging and battery life are awesome, and there is so so much to love about this phone.
But I cant get over the following issues:
1) Bezels... too big, but the bottom bezel is a disaster. It's huge. It makes holding the phone awkward for me. And I find myself constantly hitting the check-mark to try and go home.
2) Display. Its not horrible by any means. But it definitely does look "sunk-in" due to all the layers. This wouldn't be a deal-breaker on its own, but its still something that has managed to irk me since I got the phone.
3) I already have the Original Turbo... and that still performs great. Outside of the improved camera, this just isnt turning out to be as big of an upgrade as I had hoped. Testing the phones side by side on nearly ever app I use (note: I do NOT use my phone for gaming), I just dont see any meaningful increase in speed or responsiveness.
I think if I was coming from any 2013-generation phone, I would be have a very different point of reference. But having last years Turbo, I think I will end up being content to hold onto it longer, until something which is a more significant upgrade comes along.

rajuabju said:
After several days of playing with the Turbo2 non-stop, I'm being hit with buyers remorse. Very close to sending it back
No doubt its performance is superb. The camera is great, the turbo charging and battery life are awesome, and there is so so much to love about this phone.
But I cant get over the following issues:
1) Bezels... too big, but the bottom bezel is a disaster. It's huge. It makes holding the phone awkward for me. And I find myself constantly hitting the check-mark to try and go home.
2) Display. Its not horrible by any means. But it definitely does look "sunk-in" due to all the layers. This wouldn't be a deal-breaker on its own, but its still something that has managed to irk me since I got the phone.
3) I already have the Original Turbo... and that still performs great. Outside of the improved camera, this just isnt turning out to be as big of an upgrade as I had hoped. Testing the phones side by side on nearly ever app I use (note: I do NOT use my phone for gaming), I just dont see any meaningful increase in speed or responsiveness.
I think if I was coming from any 2013-generation phone, I would be have a very different point of reference. But having last years Turbo, I think I will end up being content to hold onto it longer, until something which is a more significant upgrade comes along.
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Yeah I agree turbo to a turbo 2 no bueno. I came from a droid maxx and its so much better.
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rajuabju said:
After several days of playing with the Turbo2 non-stop, I'm being hit with buyers remorse. Very close to sending it back
No doubt its performance is superb. The camera is great, the turbo charging and battery life are awesome, and there is so so much to love about this phone.
But I cant get over the following issues:
1) Bezels... too big, but the bottom bezel is a disaster. It's huge. It makes holding the phone awkward for me. And I find myself constantly hitting the check-mark to try and go home.
2) Display. Its not horrible by any means. But it definitely does look "sunk-in" due to all the layers. This wouldn't be a deal-breaker on its own, but its still something that has managed to irk me since I got the phone.
3) I already have the Original Turbo... and that still performs great. Outside of the improved camera, this just isnt turning out to be as big of an upgrade as I had hoped. Testing the phones side by side on nearly ever app I use (note: I do NOT use my phone for gaming), I just dont see any meaningful increase in speed or responsiveness.
I think if I was coming from any 2013-generation phone, I would be have a very different point of reference. But having last years Turbo, I think I will end up being content to hold onto it longer, until something which is a more significant upgrade comes along.
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Although I do not have the same issues you have with the device, I do agree on most points. My DT1 still does awesome. That was such a groundbreaking device for motorola to put out, unfortunately I don't think they did nearly as good a job marketing it as they are doing the the shatterproof shield DT2. I went to the V store today and saw like 4 people picking up the DT2. Made me clutch mine a little closer to my body..lol and it made me feel awesome bc I got mine thru design your own and I get a free refresh cause I got the 64GB phone

try doing this to a first gen turbo.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWHrOuyLrrU&feature=youtu.be

I think they could have made some incremental improvements to the DT1, and been successful without the shatter proof screen. The only problems I had with the DT1 were the capacitive buttons, poor speaker volume, lack of SD card, and the chin portion of the plastic housing. It is otherwise an excellent device.
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try doing this to a first gen turbo.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWHrOuyLrrU&feature=youtu.be
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I think everyone is aware of the shatter proof screen. The commercials are on TV ad infinitum. There's more to buying a phone then how difficult it is to break the screen.

Eddie Hicks said:
I think everyone is aware of the shatter proof screen. The commercials are on TV ad infinitum. There's more to buying a phone then how difficult it is to break the screen.
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Two things that are most annoying about this device are
1. People constantly complaining about the V logo..lol I wish it weren't there either, but it's not going away
2. People continuous posting or re-linking the shatterproof test video.... we've all seen it.

Switch from Z3 Compact to LG G4

I'm currently using Z3 Compact and I've been really satisfied.. but now the jack is not working and I'm tempted by all the good offers on the LG G4. I'm just wondering about a couple of things. Hope you peeps can answer some..
1. The size is my biggest issue... I'm afraid the LG G4 may be too big for me. I have quite small hands, but I would like a bit bigger phone than the Z3C. Do you guys think it would be too big for me?
2. Performance wise.. Will it be any upgrade?
Thanks

G4 has a large screen but feels very good in hand.
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I just switched to a G4 from a Moto X 2013. I have to admit the size scared me at first, but I'm getting used to it...
It's sad that I can barely type a message with one hand anymore (I still don't feel 100% confident in terms of balancing the phone in one hand while typing), but all the other benefits make it worth the trade.
The screen is great for reading, media consumption and just beautiful overall, and oh - the camera! Also, Marshmallow!
I don't regret my switch.
But I wouldn't mind having a bit of a smaller phone as my next one.

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I just switched to a G4 from a Moto X 2013. I have to admit the size scared me at first, but I'm getting used to it...
It's sad that I can barely type a message with one hand anymore (I still don't feel 100% confident in terms of balancing the phone in one hand while typing), but all the other benefits make it worth the trade.
The screen is great for reading, media consumption and just beautiful overall, and oh - the camera! Also, Marshmallow!
I don't regret my switch.
But I wouldn't mind having a bit of a smaller phone as my next one.
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Thanks.. It's the size im most afraid of, since I mostly use my Z3C with just one hand.. I rarely use it with two. If you were me and still had the Moto X, would you choose the G4 again, or buy a smaller one?

joakimbo said:
Thanks.. It's the size im most afraid of, since I mostly use my Z3C with just one hand.. I rarely use it with two. If you were me and still had the Moto X, would you choose the G4 again, or buy a smaller one?
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Honestly, it's also a matter of how good a deal you find. I got this G4 for a very nice price compared to how much other last year's flagships cost where I live, so the 5,5 inches is just something I can live with in exchange.
But I must admit I would prefer something around 5 inches. I would've gotten the S7 (non-edge, although the edge is beautiful) if I weren't too late for the preorder Gear VR bonus...
Didn't want to dish out so much for just the phone (over twice as much as the G4 cost me).
I had the S7 in hand and it feels perfect. ~5.1 inches is the sweet spot for my hands, it seems.
It also depends on what you're looking for in a phone... I really wanted a good camera and the G4 has one of the best.
Not sure about any other recent phones which are fairly compact and have a really good camera at the same time...
Well, there's the Galaxy S6, and you might ask why didn't I consider it - well, I didn't really fancy Samsung phones until the S7...
Although supposedly the S6 is much better with Marshmallow now... It's not a bad choice, I guess.
In the end, there's no short answer, since the size isn't the only factor here.
I think the G4 overall is such a nice device in every way... if you can get it at a good price, you won't regret it no matter if you end up typing messages in one hand or two...
Think about what you want the most in a phone and check whether the G4 has it and consider whether you're willing to live with the trade-off of having a bigger phone.

joakimbo said:
1. The size is my biggest issue... I'm afraid the LG G4 may be too big for me. I have quite small hands, but I would like a bit bigger phone than the Z3C. Do you guys think it would be too big for me?
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Only you can answer that. Are you a phone size phone type of person or not.. Why not hold one yourself.
Do take this seriously as the best phone in the world means nothing if you can't handle it comfortably. I opted for the G4 because the v10 would be too big. I did this be using a iphone 6 plus as a dummy (!) that blocky device was uncomfortable and the v10 was bigger still. My previous device had a 4.7" screen so jumping to 5.9" was a jump too far.
2. Performance wise.. Will it be any upgrade?
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I'm wondering how demanding you are of battery. How much sot do you require over how long for standby.
What sot/runtime does the Z3c give you currently over data only, over wifi only.

For me I switched from Z3 .. You will get many upgrades and noticeably better performance but you will be disappointed about the battery life a lot especially from a Z3 compact user.. SOT is barely 4 h and 30 m over wifi only.. Standby nearly 20 h

joakimbo said:
I'm currently using Z3 Compact and I've been really satisfied.. but now the jack is not working and I'm tempted by all the good offers on the LG G4.
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Wow that is a jump. I don't know what specifically attracts you to the G4. I chose it mainly for the Camera and the fact that I can enable Qi charging, which I couldn't do with the Nexus 5X. At that time I didn't even know about LG's ridiculous unlocking policy. So if Camera an Qi are not that important to you, I'd stay the hell away from the G4 and get an N5X instead. Real cheap now, latest Android, fingerprint and even a bit smaller than the G4.