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Can I swap my 002 for 003 if its a bit banged up? (pics link inside)

I have 002 Novatec that I purchased from Radioshack on June 4th at 6am here in Salt Lake City,Utah. My question is, I've banged it up a tad bit and was wondering if I bring it in (unrooted/stock of course) to radioshack and explain to them why I want to be put on the waiting list for a new one (30 fps cap, purple hue,not as bright as 003s) and maybe even show them the comparison picture of the 002 to the 003, and they deny me, do I goto sprint next or call HTC or keep trying?
http://tund.imgur.com/evo

i was under the impression that you could return it w/in 30 days for whatever reason. at least, that's what Dan says in his commercials.

or you could just tell em that you get crappy service inside your house so what's the point of having a phone you can't use at home.

healthpellets said:
i was under the impression that you could return it w/in 30 days for whatever reason. at least, that's what Dan says in his commercials.
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the thing is,.. the screen has 2 minor scratches,kickstand is scratched up a wee bit, the camera lense has a scratch or two but not right in front of the lens just off to the sides, and the corner has a ding, can I return it in that condition? I will post screens soon!
healthpellets said:
or you could just tell em that you get crappy service inside your house so what's the point of having a phone you can't use at home.
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crappy 4g service mind you, but thats what wifi is for

If it been less then 30 days your fine. Even if its been a few days over they can still do it. They might charge a restocking fee, but they can waive it. just be firm when handling those lovely radio shack employees.

Pics: http://tund.imgur.com/evo

Its 30 days if the phone is in perfect shape they have to take it back. If it isn't, like yours, then your taking your chances, you may have to plead/grovel.
Good luck!
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mrono said:
Its 30 days if the phone is in perfect shape they have to take it back. If it isn't, like yours, then your taking your chances, you may have to plead/grovel.
Good luck!
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Hmm so crappy signal inside buildings/home might defeat the fact that my phone is a bit thrashed?

Damn,
Did you drop it into a pile or rocks or something?
Getting paid $8/hour they probably won't care... YMMV

Wayno-san said:
Damn,
Did you drop it into a pile or rocks or something?
Getting paid $8/hour they probably won't care... YMMV
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Dunno, i brought it in couple weeks ago and showed the dude that sold me the phone the scratches on the screen, he was like dunno if we will be able to accept that phone, so I guess im stuck with it,.. which isnt a bad thing for me, just my wallet. So the question now i guess is, can I convince these RS guys to exchange my 002 with an 003 and hope I get an epson screen? I will be going straight to ZAGG HQ here in Salt Lake to have them install thier Invisshield since I'm so clumsy at it, if I do get a new evo.

You're still within 30 days, so even if RadioShack won't take the phone back can't you still cancel your service, or get a cheap dumbphone and change your plan accordingly? You can always sell your Evo on Ebay or something then.
EDIT: since the OP changed his original question, this post is no longer relevant

Probably depends who you talk to and how nice they are. Some Radioshacks will inspect the phone more in-depth than others. Basically you are wanting to exchange a nicked up phone for a new one. "30 fps cap, purple hue,not as bright as 003s" are not really considered defects. Unless you bought the warranty from them that covers wear and tear, then it's gonna be a hit or miss.
edit: I just skimmed your pictures and those are some pretty bad nicks. I thought it was just light surface scratches here and there. Good luck, but I'll be pretty damn surprised if they took that back.

Seriously?

gthing said:
Seriously?
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+10000000
Outside of just not taking care of your equipment your only real reason is from what you have read on the internet. You actually have no legitimate reason to return the phone. You probably never notice any difference until you read about it. It hasn't been proven with enough comparisons which panel is better or brighter. Now some are sticking with the nova panels. Tweaks are being done as well.
Funny you mention a refund due to it being heavy on the wallet yet you would take an 003 with epson if you had a chance.
Please don't post a complaint about how horrible customer service is when they don't fullfil your request.
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I really don't get how people can't take care of their expensive equipment.
If anything, try to go to a Sprint retail store and see if they'll let you swap over or do a dumbphone swap then get on the list for the rev0003. Considering your lack of care for your equipment, your odds are low. It would cost them money to take your phone back since they'd have to replace the screen and camera lens.

mrmomoman said:
Outside of just not taking care of your equipment your only real reason is from what you have read on the internet. You actually have no legitimate reason to return the phone. You probably never notice any difference until you read about it. It hasn't been proven with enough comparisons which panel is better or brighter. Now some are sticking with the nova panels. Tweaks are being done as well.
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Serious? -10000000. The reason I even began searching these forums was for a fix to the sluggish performance. This is not my first android phone. I've had an Incredible with Verizon and borrowed my cousin's N1 for a few days while waiting for the Evo to come out. Now that there is a psuedo fix for the fps issue, a real fix that doesn't break and FC everything is imminent. But a brighter screen with richer truer blacks and no screen seperation? Nobody knew the 003 were brighter with richer blacks untill the screen shot comparison.
I could tell immediately that the EVO had fps issues, the scrolling would glitch out and skip, the app drawer, the overall fluidity felt like something was holding it back, htc. I tried out the fix and man the evo blazes! Can't wait till they perfect it!
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Funny you mention a refund due to it being heavy on the wallet yet you would take an 003 with epson if you had a chance.
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Who Wouldn't? I'm paying for it, I want the best, just like the next guy.
mrmomoman said:
Please don't post a complaint about how horrible customer service is when they don't fullfil your request.
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I will do whatever I please.
cosine83 said:
I really don't get how people can't take care of their expensive equipment.
If anything, try to go to a Sprint retail store and see if they'll let you swap over or do a dumbphone swap then get on the list for the rev0003. Considering your lack of care for your equipment, your odds are low. It would cost them money to take your phone back since they'd have to replace the screen and camera lens.
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At the time of purchase that Radioshack did not have any screen protectors and only a universal smartphone body glove clip on case which is pretty dam useless,added unnecessary bulk to the phone and did not give me access to any of the buttons. It was just a holding case.
There were no limited edition Seidio Innocase Active Cases. Though I agree I am partly to blame for not babying it until suitable protection was available, one of the first threads I read was about how the phone had Gorilla Glass which seems like bs due to how easy it is to scratch the screen. =\

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My dad can beat your dad, wanna fight about it? Meet @ Radioshack next to the Subway in Taylorsville. I shall have made a makeshift sword for my evo and we shall have a battle to the death in front of RS employees. LOL

thats pretty banged up within 30 days haha

New product - Liquipel - just purchased.

Okay guys.
So I just got my 4S back from these guys, and wow, I am honestly amazed.
I saw them on my local news a few days ago, and figured what the hell. Apparently they put your phone through a process that binds their product on a molecular level, and makes it "waterproof" I didn't think it'd work as good as in the videos but it really does.
Essentially what happens is, you pay and ship your phone to them. Within a day of receiving it, they treat your phone and send it back. (can do the express version for 10$ more)
I sent my phone in on a monday, received it back on that thursday. I then decided to put it to the test. filled up my sink (about a foot and a half deep), closed my eyes, and submerged my 4s. To my astonishment, I opened my eyes and the screen was still on! I was even able to type a message to my girlfriend telling her I was texting her from underwater xD
I then answered a call in the shower the next morning and all worked fine! Its been a week since Ive gotten my phone back and have done the sink trick countless times to impress my friends, and it still works like new hehe. just thought id share, seeing as a good waterproof case for the 4s is about 20$ more.
http://www.liquipel.com
edit: I figured the accessories thread was the best place, let me know if you feel otherwise ;P

heres a good demo i found of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsSPZCGmuY

Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start

killall said:
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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try emailing them? I thought i read somewhere on there site that they can usually make accommodations for devices not on the list..
And they JUST started taking orders at CES, so they should expand the supported devices soon if theyre doing this good. pretty great start imo xD

Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.

killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Ah. Well that might be a problem then xD

killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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It said it was a mail in program... international mail... phone back in like 3 weeks lol
edit:The following devices are approved to be Liquipelled:
Apple iPhone 4s
Apple iPhone 4
Apple iPhone 3g/s
HTC Evo 4G
HTC Evo Shift 4G
HTC MyTouch 4G
HTC Thunderbolt
Motorola Droid X/X2
Samsung Charge

Wow that is amazing!!
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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blaine07 said:
My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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Good question. You might have to email them on that one. I don't have to worry about it since my battery isn't "removable" lol

While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).

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While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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It sounds like your completely guessing at what "it" does and how its applied. I on the other hand decided to investigate BEFORE acting as if i knew what it was we are discussing.
1. Its applied via vapor,in a vacuum chamber environment, so as to completely coat inside and out, all parts of said device. The coating is 1000 times thinner than a human hair and therefor does not change the way the phone feels or functions(screen response)
2. speakers are not effected because they too are waterproofed in the same nano tech molecular bonding process.
3. When you submerge your device once coated, water does completely run THROUGH your device. Short circuit cannot be obtained because the liquid cannot make contact to the positive and negative/grounding surfaces because of said thin/nano layer of protection. although it repels liquids, it still allows all existing electrical pathways to function without flaw, and will conduct electricity thus allowing for the capacitive functions to work also.
4. This technology was not designed to make your phone "UNDERWATER" proof, and they recommend not submerging any device in liquid. In the case that your phone falls from your hoodie pocket into the toilet, you can retrieve (and hopefully) rinse your device before electrical failure/short occurs. Its a backup plan for accidents, not a solution for mobile underwater photography or social networking.
These statements are not conjecture. this is what happens when you read and investigate what youve read.
If your gonna troll, at least take the time to know what your talking about. F'in trolls!

Not trolling, just thought this was the "old" method previously adopted (was it by Vertu?).
If you call anyone a troll for showing interest then I guess you would be alone in this world as a non-troll, just saiyan

Did you even read what you wrote??? Words like "probably", and other staments like "naturally closed" make you sound like an idiot, which im sure you are not... but if you are gonna post in a category, wouldnt it help to know the subject your posting about. The information is there and one should not have to ?guess?
I on the other hand became very curious about said tech, and therefor did the research needed to contribute to this discussion.
There are no what if this happens in this case because the are selling a tested product, and have limited device compatibility - for now.
I was hoping that when i saw a new post on this thread that it was someone with valuable information, trying to fill gapps of knowledge, but it was just "what if's" and "probably's"... come on. If you want to pm me about what ive learned about this product, ill be happy to share anything else i have with anyone. I am here to learn, not waste valuable time reading conjecture based on nothing.

Hey smart guy why would you come here looking for information when you already know everything?
Even if I was still interested, I wouldn't ask someone like you (just letting you know so you dont have to constantly check you pm)
Later buddy

Seriously guys. This is to get other peoples opinion about the product. No need to argue

first fall to ground, the phone can't power on, bad quality LG

my phone (with a spigen hard case) fall to ground first time, the screen is fine, but I can't power on it anymore...
sent it to LG service, said need 3 days to check what's wrong..
my Nexus 5 fall to ground many times, and working well. and Nexus 5x just one... LG quality now is really bad.

Well, LG might say that user handling of devices nowadays it's very bad.

Hard cases suck for drops. They accept the drop instead of deflecting it like softer ones do. Just my opinion, buy a better case

hopesrequiem said:
Hard cases suck for drops. They accept the drop instead of deflecting it like softer ones do. Just my opinion, buy a better case
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my nexus 5 use spigen hard case too, it fall to ground many time when my son play it... but still working

ourfear said:
my nexus 5 use spigen hard case too, it fall to ground many time when my son play it... but still working
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You don't think anyone dropped their Nexus 5 and it broke too? It's just luck if it breaks or not, as with any phone in a drop.
My 5x fell onto tiled floor with no case or screen protector. Barely even a scuff on two of the corners. Good job LG!
BTW you shouldn't expect a case to help in a drop when it's not designed to help in a drop, isn't advertised to help in a drop, nor was it ever publicly tested in drop tests.
If a case doesn't have these things then it is for scratch protection, minor bumps, and aesthetics only. Don't be fooled by empty marketing promises. It's easy for any case or SP to type some words on their JPEGs "super resilient, shock and explosion proof, 9H hardness" but that doesn't mean it's true or was ever actually tested. They just want your money.

Couldn't the thread have been titled, "First unlucky drop and no power.." or something like that. Ya just gotta throw in the dig of "bad quality LG" as if it's their fault you dropped the phone. I just don't get all these threads that don't really ask questions so much as to get eyeballs on a negative depiction of a very capable phone. And I'm just as guilty, I read this crap.

Me too Bobby. I keep feeding the trolls. I can't help it. I feel bad for them.

Thing is it was happening in the 6P threads too. I had one for about a week until I realized it was just too large a device for me and I was definitely going to drop and break it due to the size and slippery back. "Super lag on the 6P", "awful camera", speakers terrible" things like that just the same as here. Some of them just Sammy fans and some iPhone heads but they came out of the woodwork. And same here, "5X-Hugely disappointed" over 45k views. I mean who goes on just to post something like that instead of taking the time to return the device and research another one? It just makes me wonder motivation.
Back on topic, I dropped my phone once and not a scratch. It was on the carpet, does that count?

The only thing lacking quality in this situation is your grip.

Mine survived a 4 foot drop to concrete.
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bobby janow said:
I just don't get all these threads that don't really ask questions so much as to get eyeballs on a negative depiction of a very capable phone. And I'm just as guilty, I read this crap.
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Me too Bobby. I keep feeding the trolls. I can't help it.
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Some of them just Sammy fans and some iPhone heads but they came out of the woodwork. And same here, "5X-Hugely disappointed" over 45k views. I mean who goes on just to post something like that instead of taking the time to return the device and research another one? It just makes me wonder motivation.
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Me three.
I have to say -- I always try to assume the best in terms of motivation, and just chalk up someone's different experience to use case, app selection, etc. But my 5X is so fast, and multitasks so well, that I have to question motivation as well.

today LG called me ... said the mainboard damaged....
change a new mainboard is expensive, so I 'd better to buy a new one

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today LG called me ... said the mainboard damaged....
change a new mainboard is expensive, so I 'd better to buy a new one
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That, I'm sorry to hear. Somehow in this day and age they can make a phone almost indestructible. At least from a toilet drop and 5 feet onto cement.

my 5 fell into the grand canyon, I wonder if the screen broke. still rang but no one answered. sad. love my new 5X

Just cancelled my order after seeing this video

I saw this video and at the 7 minute mark he does a "bend test".
The phone was due to ship tomorrow couldn't press the cancel button fast enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVKnt7H4zVc&t=321s
See Ya !
UPDATE: Nevermind.....just reordered you'all can carry on nothing happening here.

That worries me, even though I put an Otterbox on it. This phone is in my pocket all day on construction sites, hope it doesn't crack!

Dear lord not this again!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/problems-bending-date-manufacture-t3290126

kdkinc said:
I saw this video and at the 7 minute mark he does a "bend test".
The phone was due to ship tomorrow couldn't press the cancel button fast enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVKnt7H4zVc&t=321s
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You probably canceled your order for nothing. That video is about the Pixel 2 and not the Pixel 2 XL.
If you had done some research you'd see that the place where it snaps is where the antenna bands are on the Pixel 2, the Pixel 2 XL doesn't have it's antenna bands in the same place so it won't snap/bend.

Had a 6P and my phone never bent under every circumstances I gave it.
Pixel 2 XL could be different then the Pixel 2...

kdkinc said:
I saw this video and at the 7 minute mark he does a "bend test".
The phone was due to ship tomorrow couldn't press the cancel button fast enough.
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Thank you ! I get a phone earlier. Hahaha

Look at the amount of pressure he put it to get it to bend!!! U think that's gonna happen during normal usage!!!!

lucky_strike33 said:
Thank you ! I get a phone earlier. Hahaha
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He said he couldn't cancel fast enough so he's getting it right? And do you really think the LG G6 fan ever really ordered it? The G6 was released in March so it's only been out around 6 months and he orders an XL 2? I guess anything is possible but the naysayers and trolls are invading like a Halloween mashup.
All in all I think the phone did pretty well in that silly test. What kind of water resistance does it have? I mean can you drop it into a bucket.. err toilet and pull it out and it not get damaged?

That isn't the 2XL. Plus JRE applies an obscene amount of force to the phones he tests.

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Look at the amount of pressure he put it to get it to bend!!! U think that's gonna happen during normal usage!!!!
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Obvious you may perhaps be in the American minority Weight wise.
I'm very well situated in the majority.

bobby janow said:
He said he couldn't cancel fast enough so he's getting it right? And do you really think the LG G6 fan ever really ordered it? The G6 was released in March so it's only been out around 6 months and he orders an XL 2? I guess anything is possible but the naysayers and trolls are invading like a Halloween mashup.
All in all I think the phone did pretty well in that silly test. What kind of water resistance does it have? I mean can you drop it into a bucket.. err toilet and pull it out and it not get damaged?
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No, I canceled it.
Yes I have the G6.

kdkinc said:
I saw this video and at the 7 minute mark he does a "bend test".
The phone was due to ship tomorrow couldn't press the cancel button fast enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVKnt7H4zVc&t=321s
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Or just don't try to break your phone in half. Or put in in your back pocket and sit on it (seriously, who does that??). Or try to cut it in half with a utility box cutter. These tests are so far removed from "real world" scenarios it is lunacy to base your device choice on them. He also called the Nexus 6P "a joke" and from a hardware perspective my 6P looks as good today as the day it was bought.
Seriously, re-order your Pixel 2, enjoy it when it arrives and ignore the pointless tests in that video.

Lol the paranoia going around in these forums about all these "issues" . Unreal
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Or just don't try to break your phone in half. Or put in in your back pocket and sit on it (seriously, who does that??). Or try to cut it in half with a utility box cutter. These tests are so far removed from "real world" scenarios it is lunacy to base your device choice on them. He also called the Nexus 6P "a joke" and from a hardware perspective my 6P looks as good today as the day it was bought.
Seriously, re-order your Pixel 2, enjoy it when it arrives and ignore the pointless tests in that video.
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It's paranoia man. People seems to have a bit extra here one the Google pixel forums. Funny enough I went to a theme park where one of the rides applied a crazy amount of pressure to my lap where my phone was. The lap bar literally landed on top of my phone and was on it throughout the whole ride. Would you guess what happened? Absolutely nothing.

bobby janow said:
He said he couldn't cancel fast enough so he's getting it right? And do you really think the LG G6 fan ever really ordered it? The G6 was released in March so it's only been out around 6 months and he orders an XL 2? I guess anything is possible but the naysayers and trolls are invading like a Halloween mashup.
All in all I think the phone did pretty well in that silly test. What kind of water resistance does it have? I mean can you drop it into a bucket.. err toilet and pull it out and it not get damaged?
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fyi I posted a yt video of p2xl water testing.

Believe it was the iFixit teardown where they showed the 2 XL has a magnesium core (aka strong) where its cousin the LG G6 had a plastic core. Seems OP may have gone the wrong direction...

I feel like I lost some iq points watching that. Scratching paint off with a utility knife is not a durability test. I'd never expect a phone to tolerate that.

Boring video.... I'll be partying with my badboy XL 2! Cheers ?????

Magnesium is stronger than aluminum and titanium. I think we're good
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fyi I posted a yt video of p2xl water testing.
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That was your video? Awesome testing and adorable pooch. Looks really good. Did the volume ever come back full?

bobby janow said:
That was your video? Awesome testing and adorable pooch. Looks really good. Did the volume ever come back full?
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No sorry, just a video I came across on YT.

[DISCUSSION] Jerry Rig Everything U12+ Durability test

Hey guys,
What do you think of this review.
I was chocked about the buttons that pop up so easily ?
Sauce :

If a phone has to be destroyed, I'd rather have it done for scientific purposes instead of just for views for some bald jabroni.

OGhoul said:
If a phone has to be destroyed, I'd rather have it done for scientific purposes instead of just for views for some bald jabroni.
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Lol, jabroni.
As soon as I saw that I knew I had a yinzer on my hands. He's beyond a jabroni, he's a chooch jag off!
I agree no need to do such things, it's a colossal waste.

I actually enjoy his videos. It's not as if he sawing it in half or putting it in a microwave or other stupid things people do. He's actually testing the device. Is it a little more exteme then what normal usage might bring? Yea, but it's nothing way out and I appreciate seeing what exactly my phone can handle and all that, especially compared to other phones.
As for this video, I can't lie and say i wasn't disappointed with how the U12+ did. Especially with seeing how those buttons popped off. And as someone who tears down phones all the time, hearing him question it's water resistance was also a little disconcerting. It's not going to stop me from buying this phone but one of the reasons I like HTC phones are because of the build quality. But seeing this do worse than how other phones faired and hearing his concerns did disappoint me.
And I wouldn't jump all over this guy for what he said about the phone. His videos aren't necessarily pure opinion. While he does give some opinions on how he think a phone will fare in certain conditions, it's all based on his testing and how the phone itself handled it and what he finds in his tear downs. That's all. If you got the U12+ and enjoy, even love it and think it's the best phone ever, then that's all that matters. Don't get too worked up over what others say.

Granite1 said:
Lol, jabroni.
As soon as I saw that I knew I had a yinzer on my hands. He's beyond a jabroni, he's a chooch jag off!
I agree no need to do such things, it's a colossal waste.
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Ya got me n'at. That's my point though, if I'm going to want to see a tear down (which I do, because I want to see what sort of vibration system HTC has employed here), I'll wait for a proper, scientific one from iFixit (who doesn't have one as of yet).
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I actually enjoy his videos. It's not as if he sawing it in half or putting it in a microwave or other stupid things people do. He's actually testing the device. Is it a little more exteme then what normal usage might bring? Yea, but it's nothing way out and I appreciate seeing what exactly my phone can handle and all that, especially compared to other phones.
As for this video, I can't lie and say i wasn't disappointed with how the U12+ did. Especially with seeing how those buttons popped off. And as someone who tears down phones all the time, hearing him question it's water resistance was also a little disconcerting. It's not going to stop me from buying this phone but one of the reasons I like HTC phones are because of the build quality. But seeing this do worse than how other phones faired and hearing his concerns did disappoint me.
And I wouldn't jump all over this guy for what he said about the phone. His videos aren't necessarily pure opinion. While he does give some opinions on how he think a phone will fare in certain conditions, it's all based on his testing and how the phone itself handled it and what he finds in his tear downs. That's all. If you got the U12+ and enjoy, even love it and think it's the best phone ever, then that's all that matters. Don't get too worked up over what others say.
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My gripe comes from his methodology and the fact that there are some who are still waiting for their phones. Seeing one destroyed in a non-scientific matter irks me. (Though the screen scratch testing, I have to give props to.) I can't see any day to day use where my device would come into direct contact with open flame or a utility knife.

OGhoul said:
Ya got me n'at. That's my point though, if I'm going to want to see a tear down (which I do, because I want to see what sort of vibration system HTC has employed here), I'll wait for a proper, scientific one from iFixit (who doesn't have one as of yet).
My gripe comes from his methodology and the fact that there are some who are still waiting for their phones. Seeing one destroyed in a non-scientific matter irks me. (Though the screen scratch testing, I have to give props to.) I can't see any day to day use where my device would come into direct contact with open flame or a utility knife.
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I still don't have mine yet. Supposed to come today, we'll see.
I'd like to see an in depth tear down too since I'm sure I'll probably break the back glass at some point. I'm in highway construction and I'm brutal to my phones.

OGhoul said:
Ya got me n'at. That's my point though, if I'm going to want to see a tear down (which I do, because I want to see what sort of vibration system HTC has employed here), I'll wait for a proper, scientific one from iFixit (who doesn't have one as of yet).
My gripe comes from his methodology and the fact that there are some who are still waiting for their phones. Seeing one destroyed in a non-scientific matter irks me. (Though the screen scratch testing, I have to give props to.) I can't see any day to day use where my device would come into direct contact with open flame or a utility knife.
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It is non-scientific, but he does this for all of the new releases. So it's interesting to see how all of the new flagships stack up to one another regarding durability. At least it did better than the U11+ though.

The teardown of the U12+:

I'm a big fan of HTC but I'm no apologist either. That was rough to watch. Things that would normally be so simple to replace on a phone are causing this phone to basically become a paperweight if damaged. At the price they're selling this at, all these "little" things become that much more bigger.

phxzy said:
The teardown of the U12+:
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Linear actuator confirmed!