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Cracked the screen!

Dropped my HTC Touch Pro2 and its cracked the screen!
The actual LCD is fine, and the touch sensitive part still works, but the glass panel that covers the LCD has big cracks running across it.
Anyone know where i can get this repaired? or somewhere that sells the parts so i can do it myself??
Rang HTC and its about 15 pounds for an inspection and 90 quid to replace the LCD (though i don't think it actually needs replacing).

I'm pretty sure I've seen them on ebay already.
Check there.

Have the same problem.
Ordered mine here
Only searching for service manual or just manual to replace it.

thanks for the reply. does the 'touch screen digitizer' have a hard plastic/glass back to it that covers the lcd?
Just trying to make sure its the right thing.
I phoned a few repair places up and basically everyone seems to end up sending it to HTC anyway, so that sounds like the only other option. Since 90% of the cost is labour rather than parts, i think i'll try and sort it myself first

Found these dismantling instructions, in russian so had to translate
http://www.translate.google.com/tra...a/htc_touch_pro2/&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=

anyone used Phone Hospital?
http://www.phonehospital.com/main.html
they quoted 40 quid which seems reasonable it saves me ages dismantling the phone. can't find too much info on them though

Shame to hear that...
It´s always good to use a protective case

Sorry about the loss. But it has to be said...
This thread is worthless without pics!

well, i'm going to give that phone hospital a go. i've attached a pic. will update in case anyone else drops their phone! It was actually in a case, but i'd taken it out to reply to a txt.
Is their a case that can protect the screen whilst still allowing the phone to be fully useable?

Someone already replaced his screen manualy?

You can get a replacement digitizer for your touch pro on Ebay.
Unfortunately there is none available for the T-Mobile US version yet.

ribena1234 said:
well, i'm going to give that phone hospital a go. i've attached a pic. will update in case anyone else drops their phone! It was actually in a case, but i'd taken it out to reply to a txt.
Is their a case that can protect the screen whilst still allowing the phone to be fully useable?
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Man, that pic is like watching a dude get kicked in the nuts.. Ouch.

Is it really glass? How does that work with a resistive screen?

jdwrrzmm said:
Is it really glass? How does that work with a resistive screen?
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The LCD and the touch sensitive portions are just different layers. A capacitive screen just typically has a specially coated glass layer, where a resistive screen has multiple layers to get input.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_tin_oxide

ATLDON said:
You can get a replacement digitizer for your touch pro on Ebay.
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Yes, already bought the digitizer on Ebay.
Now I am looking for a gooed manual to replace it.
Here some photos of mine screen
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So if someone already replace his screen / digitizer please let me know....
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got mine back from PhoneHospital and it looks fine. However, the screen isn't aligned, and the "align screen" option in the settings just goes round in a never ending loop! Waiting to see what they say...
beginning to think the best option is just to send to HTC, soak up the cost, then stick the freakin thing on ebay because its just too fragile!

ribena1234 said:
got mine back from PhoneHospital and it looks fine. However, the screen isn't aligned, and the "align screen" option in the settings just goes round in a never ending loop! Waiting to see what they say...
beginning to think the best option is just to send to HTC, soak up the cost, then stick the freakin thing on ebay because its just too fragile!
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Hey Ribena,
Sorry to hear about your troubles.
My doorman's young son hit his fathers PDA with a hammer. I said I would help him sort out the problem - I would be grateful if you could let me know what PhoneHospital have to say about your screen alignment issue.
Rgs,
J

its being looked at now.
after browsing the web, i get the impression a screen alignment failure is usually due to a hardware rather than software fault, so at a complete guess i'd say its the new digitizer has not been installed properly.

finally got the phone back. difficult to see how phonehospital could have been worse.
Taken 3 months, and they've finally sent it back after constant pestering by me. They said it was now working so no refund was due. Unfrotauntely, it isn't working, the screen is still misaligned and the align screen option just loops over and over.
grrr.
I think the best option is to send it to HTC, which is what i'll be doing. Might cost more but
a. it'll get fixed.
b. it hopefully won't take 3 months!

That sucks. If it took 3mons and they still didn't fix the issue id say a refund is in order. Before I sent it in to htc I'd probably try my luck at it first.

It cost me $35 bucks but the SCRATCH is GONE!

Lord but I HATED that scratch. It ran from the top of my precious EVO's screen all the way down to the middle. It haunted me. It taunted me. It nagged at me. No matter what I tried, nicer case, higher quality screen protector, the SCRATCH was always there, mocking my existence.
So I took it to Sprint, paid $35 and they replaced the whole damn screen, LCD and all. El scratcho diablo es el gondo!
** NOTE - Yeah, I have insurance on the phone but insurance doesn't cover cosmetic stuff. I could have just busted the screen before I took it in and gotten it for free but I was afraid I might break the whole phone in the process and end up paying a $100 deductible and waiting on a refurbished POS. Plus there was that small issue of lying, karma and damage to my immortal soul.
I paid the $35.

cool story breh

lol @ el scratcho diablo
glad you got it fixed.

How does you scratch it? i was under the impression that you would have to try pretty hard to do that.
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Cares said:
How does you scratch it? i was under the impression that you would have to try pretty hard to do that.
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Actually quite easy to scratch. If you run a razor blade across it sharp end down, it wont scratch, but if you dragged the pointed edge of the bladed sideways across it it would scratch. Jagged sharp things can scratch it.
I dragged a piece of paper with a sharp staple on the bottom across it and it scratched real good.

Seems like a very reasonable fix for $35. I wonder if all sprint repair centers have that option though?

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so glad to hear they don't charge 200 like crapple!
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edlex said:
Seems like a very reasonable fix for $35. I wonder if all sprint repair centers have that option though?
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Actually very reasonable. Also my new LCD is of higher quality than original. Better picture.
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Haha....aaaaaaaand saved

why don't you get ghost armor. spend another $35 to make sure it never happens again, or at least $20 for just the screen protector.
glad to hear they did this so easily and reasonably priced though.

My local Sprint repair center told me the same thing about 3 weeks ago. I was in getting my speaker replaced and they were telling me prices on different things. Glad I always pay for insurance on my phones. Now my finace wont put a screen protector on hers. She said she would rather pay 35 for a new screen than 20 for a protector and lose some of the look and feel.....made me think about doing the same

davebu said:
why don't you get ghost armor. spend another $35 to make sure it never happens again, or at least $20 for just the screen protector.
glad to hear they did this so easily and reasonably priced though.
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Actually I'm a big screen protector guy. However as fate would have it, I was changing out screen protectors and messed up the new one. Couldn't get back to the store that day and that's when I got the scratch from hell. Just bad luck.
Mitchell's EVO

stanglifemike said:
My local Sprint repair center told me the same thing about 3 weeks ago. I was in getting my speaker replaced and they were telling me prices on different things. Glad I always pay for insurance on my phones. Now my finace wont put a screen protector on hers. She said she would rather pay 35 for a new screen than 20 for a protector and lose some of the look and feel.....made me think about doing the same
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Get a high definition protector from your local mall. Only $14 and the screen actually looks and feels better with it on.
Mitchell's EVO

mitchellvii said:
Actually very reasonable. Also my new LCD is of higher quality than original. Better picture.
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Good to hear of your experience. $35 seems perfectly reasonable - especially since the parts for the EVO are sometimes selling for far MORE than that Ebay - and they do all the work replacing it for you.

Shattered Screen - warranty?

I dropped my phone from about 2 feet up (fell out of pocket while getting out of the car). My screen shattered. I was shocked as I'd dropped it before without any problems. Also, I thought the screen protector that shipped with this was supposed to make it nearly shatterproof (or so I was told upon being sold).
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My question is whether this will be covered under warranty or not. I bought this at a rogers retail location in Canada and use it on the Rogers network in Canada as well.
Thanks.

I THINK THIS is not covered under warranty
u will have to pay for repair

abhisheak.bansal said:
I THINK THIS is not covered under warranty
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+1, why would they pay for your clumsiness , and jesus, if I'd dropped it once already and got away with I certainly wouldn't be letting that happen again.

Warranty????You are not serious..

I drove my merc of a bridge into a lake and the damage wasn't for the merc dealer strangely enough, but hey, if you get warranty let me know, so I can sue my merc dealer
from my Arc or Optimus 2x

Thanks for the info all. I was only asking because when sold I was told that such small drops wouldn't result in this type of damage. If I'd known, I would have waited for something with gorilla glass. Taking from the car analogy, the dealer basically said I could drive the car into walls at slow speeds, just don't drive it off a bridge. I'll do everything I can to get a new one. I don't car if the dealer is out of pocket.
Any idea how much these things usually cost to get fixed?

Here in Holland you can get your screen fixed for around 100 euro, which is about 150$ US. But officially through the dealer they ask twice that amount, I scattered the screen of my x10 a few weeks before I get my arc by walking into a desk a bit painfully...
For the x10 the screens were for sale on ebay, I don't know if they are for the arc, also there are several people who wrote how to change the screen yourself.
The car example was just a cynical joke, mate, blame my black sense of humor for that....;-)
from my Arc or Optimus 2x

If you had paid for your initial subscription/sign up fee with a premium Visa (or any other premium credit card), you maybe able to get the credit company to cover your accident. I assume its not cheap and fast getting it repaired. Good luck!

Donkey3000 said:
Thanks for the info all. I was only asking because when sold I was told that such small drops wouldn't result in this type of damage.
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That's a matter to take up with the retailer you purchased from - there is no such thing as a shatter-proof screen and you should never be sold a phone on that basis.
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If I'd known, I would have waited for something with gorilla glass.
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Gorilla Glass is just scratch-resistant, it's not shatter-proof either.
There'd be just as high a chance that the same drop would've cracked the screen on a Galaxy S or some other handset with Gorilla Glass as it did your Arc's screen.

Just say that the back cover is too slippery. May work
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007Arc said:
Just say that the back cover is too slippery. May work
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ha ha ha. I'll give it a shot. I'm already in a big argument with my provider (Rogers) over their quality of service which I'm probably going to leave them anyways. I get a whopping 0.05 Mbps where i live with 4 bars on 3g. tower issues near by they acknowledge but never fix (used to always force me back to 2g until I found test mode to set 3g only).
I really like this phone though and am willing to pay to get it fixed, which is where my stupid provider is going to screw me around. $25 to get it sent out to see how much its going to cost ... pay activation fee ($35?) to get my old phone activated while its gone, pay the cost of fixing the screen (shouldn't be more than, $200 they said but likely around $150), then pay an activation fee to get the phone back on again. Maybe the person telling me this didn't have a clue, but if that's the case, they've lost all business from me.
Anybody know of any third party repair places in Canada?
Thanks

Activation fee?
Surely you just put your SIM in the other handset and that's it?
As for third-parties, didn't I see someone say that Sony sells the handsets directly in Canada?
Is that's the case, they'll have some sort of repair service as well.

Why don't you visit one of the Sony Style stores.. I know they sell the Arc too

i used to work for a (private owned) rogers dealer and we send out all sony ericsson phones to Flextronics (details here). they are the only SE repair center in Canada. give them a call first to see if you are able to send your phone in directly (out-of-warranty repair) or if you have to go through a rogers dealer and have them send it in.
the repair estimate is usually around $35 and if you go through the dealer, the shipping is included. estimates can take up to 4 weeks. but definitely give them a call first and they'll fill you in on the details.

And please don't forget to get insurance next time. As they say here in the Philippines..
Once is enough. Twice is too much. Three's Stooges!
Had mine for accidental damage and cost me around US$20+.

I know Rogers offers Handsets Protection Guarantee. My device can get fixed when I break it or something for the first time. That's what they told me while I bought my Arc. Not sure how that works though. Maybe that will help you lower the costs.
P.S. I can always switch between my unlocked phones by just plugging in my SIM card without an activation fee.

Looking for replacement front glass on S3

Howdy all!
Not sure if this would be considered the proper place for this but I figured I'd give it a shot.
I cracked the front glass of my S3. It sucks, as the part is very scarce in the US currently. I have found a few replacement parts on Amazon, but the starting price is about $210, a far cry from the $50 I used to pay for my EVO. I know its still early in the game, but does anyone know of a seller that has these replacement touchscreens for something a little more reasonable than 1/3 of the price of a brand new phone?
EDIT: Has anyone tried replacing just the glass, with one of these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Digit...ultDomain_0&hash=item5895542a9b#ht_2317wt_906
Thanks!

Sorry but that might be the best you can get it for, for the gs3, because LCD replacements for the t-mobile sgs 2 is still $149 + shipping as the sgs 1 (Samsung vibrant) is still about $80 plus shipping (both on amazon) and these are all the cheapest prices I've found on the net over the span of a couple weeks of research.
So yeah, $210 is probably the best you're gonna get right now
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rock99rock said:
Howdy all!
Not sure if this would be considered the proper place for this but I figured I'd give it a shot.
I cracked the front glass of my S3. It sucks, as the part is very scarce in the US currently. I have found a few replacement parts on Amazon, but the starting price is about $210, a far cry from the $50 I used to pay for my EVO. I know its still early in the game, but does anyone know of a seller that has these replacement touchscreens for something a little more reasonable than 1/3 of the price of a brand new phone?
Thanks!
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it is still new, and CURVED. It isn';t a simple cut and sell situation, they need to mold them.

OTAw said:
Sorry but that might be the best you can get it for, for the gs3, because LCD replacements for the t-mobile sgs 2 is still $149 + shipping as the sgs 1 (Samsung vibrant) is still about $80 plus shipping (both on amazon) and these are all the cheapest prices I've found on the net over the span of a couple weeks of research.
So yeah, $210 is probably the best you're gonna get right now
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Thanks for the feedback, I'm starting to see that my LCD and digitizer are fine, just need to replace the glass with something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Digit...ultDomain_0&hash=item5895542a9b#ht_2317wt_906
Have you seen that process anywhere? All the video I've seen are to replace the full glass/digitizer/amoled assembly.
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it is still new, and CURVED. It isn';t a simple cut and sell situation, they need to mold them.
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Thanks for the reply! What of just replacing the glass with this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Digit...ultDomain_0&hash=item5895542a9b#ht_2317wt_906

Not sure if you can use this the glass and digitizer are fused together. I think this is just if you buy the screen and digitizer.
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I wish it was that simple, then I could put a white face on my blue phone and have a hybrid. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems too easy...and cheap.
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From my experience with other phones. The digitizer and glass are glued together... could be wrong for the gs3, but I would just replace the whole front end.
http://cnn.cn/shop/i9300-galaxy-c-1425_26_1412.html
$269 for the international white and blue.
$219 for the atnt red.
Shipping can take a little while but I've bought from this place before with no complaints.
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Five0nIt said:
From my experience with other phones. The digitizer and glass are glued together... could be wrong for the gs3, but I would just replace the whole front end.
http://cnn.cn/shop/i9300-galaxy-c-1425_26_1412.html
$269 for the international white and blue.
$219 for the atnt red.
Shipping can take a little while but I've bought from this place before with no complaints.
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Thank you for your feedback, this sucks! From your experience, is what I'd be receiving the actual Corning Glass face, or a 3rd party knockoff from cnn.cn?
raiderep said:
I wish it was that simple, then I could put a white face on my blue phone and have a hybrid. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems too easy...and cheap.
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You're most probably correct, especially after seeing all the responses here regarding it. Easy and cheap though preferred, is not always the best approach unfortunately.

Well this happened to mine on Sunday, i looked for every way possible as mine was only the front glass too. It is possible to replace just the front glass but it is very very difficult to do! you have to use a heat gun or a hair dryer to separate the glass front from the lcd/digitizer video here http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-root/how-to-replace-broken-lcd-screen-on-galaxy-s3/
I just got it repaired on Monday for £150 as a local phone shop had everything in stock and did it n a hour there and then, insurance wanted £100 excess so didn't bother with it. Anyway good luck and i hope you sort it soon as i know the feeling and it sucks
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I know how you feel, it sucks how expensive it is, it dropped 1 inch from my pocket to the cement. Luckily it only cracked a little in the corner, so I won't replace it for now until prices come down.

amoled screen have less layers than normal LCD's its because the amoled pixels are infused within the glass.
so they have to be replaced together

I ordered one from this seller on August 3 and receive it 5 days later they ship same day after place an order. I installed it and work fine looks original.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=170884092019
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m.nassy.uk said:
Well this happened to mine on Sunday, i looked for every way possible as mine was only the front glass too. It is possible to replace just the front glass but it is very very difficult to do! you have to use a heat gun or a hair dryer to separate the glass front from the lcd/digitizer video here http://galaxys3root.com/galaxy-s3-root/how-to-replace-broken-lcd-screen-on-galaxy-s3/
I just got it repaired on Monday for £150 as a local phone shop had everything in stock and did it n a hour there and then, insurance wanted £100 excess so didn't bother with it. Anyway good luck and i hope you sort it soon as i know the feeling and it sucks
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after seeing this video, I think the best thing to do is not let your S3 dropped.

Cracked my screen. What to do now?

Hi folks.
Dropped my phone yesterday and completely shattered the screen. Phone still works fine so I'm sure it's just the glass that's broke.
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Going to try fix it myself but was wondering if any members have had success in repairing a cracked screen.
What I want to know is is it possible to just buy and replace the glass? It does look possible going by some of the youtube tutorials but others say the only way to get a proper fix is to buy both the glass and digitizer. Thing is though I'm looking at a bill of a little over £10 for the glass or about £130 (cheapest I've seen) for both.
Anyone had success repairing only the glass and was the screen just as responsive? I've also heard it's very hard to get it perfect with air bubbles becoming an issue. Every single mobile repair shop have quoted me for both as they won't even attempt just replacing the glass so I guess it must be hard.
PS. I notice from searching that these threads can lead to a "gorilla glass shouldn't break" discussion. Really hope it can be avoided here as it usually ends up with the original question not getting answered. I do my best to look after my phone but don't like covers bulking up my phone so I take the chance. I have a screen protector on and that's it. As much as I try to be careful with my phone I have dropped it on a few occasions and it's been fine but I guess my luck ran out this time. The phone fell flat on it's screen onto mono block and I just knew this time it wasn't going to be ok when I picked it up
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Mate, if you try to only replace the glass, you have to get rid of old glue and use new glue for the new glass, will be hard, but if you find a solution for this I might be interested too.
I have a small crack on the top corner of screen which does not come over the screen or cam, but I also would want to change my phones bezel to dark grey. It's so freaking cool! :d
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Just wondering if either of you had a case on when it happened?
I'm trying to ascertain if/which covers are a waste of time for protecting the screen.
Best of luck fixing them though.
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johnbhoyc said:
Hi folks.
Dropped my phone yesterday and completely shattered the screen. Phone still works fine so I'm sure it's just the glass that's broke.
Going to try fix it myself but was wondering if any members have had success in repairing a cracked screen.
What I want to know is is it possible to just buy and replace the glass? It does look possible going by some of the youtube tutorials but others say the only way to get a proper fix is to buy both the glass and digitizer. Thing is though I'm looking at a bill of a little over £10 for the glass or about £130 (cheapest I've seen) for both.
Anyone had success repairing only the glass and was the screen just as responsive? I've also heard it's very hard to get it perfect with air bubbles becoming an issue. Every single mobile repair shop have quoted me for both as they won't even attempt just replacing the glass so I guess it must be hard.
PS. I notice from searching that these threads can lead to a "gorilla glass shouldn't break" discussion. Really hope it can be avoided here as it usually ends up with the original question not getting answered. I do my best to look after my phone but don't like covers bulking up my phone so I take the chance. I have a screen protector on and that's it. As much as I try to be careful with my phone I have dropped it on a few occasions and it's been fine but I guess my luck ran out this time. The phone fell flat on it's screen onto mono block and I just knew this time it wasn't going to be ok when I picked it up
Thanks
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I had a case of broken glass, watched a lot of videos thinking about doing it myself but in the end decided to just let someone else do it. About screen responsiveness, I have a personal feeling that it's more responsive than before, maybe there is less glue (or none at all now) than before so the glass is closer to a screen. There are no air bubbles so maybe no glue Personally I think it would be enough to put glue on the sides of screen just to create a seal against dirt getting between glass and display, it would also be easier in case of another broken glass
Here in Poland it cost me 75$ (UPS 2 way + glass + repair) and took 4 days total. I'm quite happy with the results

? Should have used a case...

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? Should have used a case...
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No case can protect you if your phone lands display down on uneven ground.....

Try dx.com
They generally sell spare parts of everything quite cheap. They do deliver free aswell (international) but waiting period could be 10 - 20 days.
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Happened to me too.
I took it to the Samsung Repair Center and they did the assessment and told me that I could take the phone and that they'd call when they had the glass for the repair. 3 days later they called, I took the the phone there, 40 minutes later it was brand new.
They charged $80 for the service.

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No case can protect you if your phone lands display down on uneven ground.....
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Op's phone landed flat....

Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like not many have actually done this.
Think I'm going to give separating the glass a chance. If I mess up the digitizer I can always just order another one anyway

I've had a single line crack right across the screen for a couple of months now. Phone still works like there is no crack, and the cost of a repair (plus the chance of a botched repair) is too high to make me want to do it. Got a Galaxy Note 8 to replace it - but then its sim slot went faulty, so back to the Note 2 while that gets fixed under warranty.

My honest advice is to let a pro repair your screen. On my previous phone I tried to replace the glass. Then I tried to replace glass and didgitiser. I warched the tutorials. Bought all the right tools. In the end my phone was "lost" so I got a new one on my insurance.
Save your self time money and stress. Send it to a pro.
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It ain't worth just replacing the glass, way too footery and likely to get dust/fingerprints between the display and the digitiser, if you can even get it separated without damaging the display.... I cracked the glass on mine, a Samsung service centre in the UK called Regenersis tried to rip me off and quoted for a new display + glass and a new main logic board, all to the tune of £300! There's absolutely nothing wrong with the main board and the phone works perfectly, they were just trying to make a quick buck or didn't want to do the work, figuring I was some n00b and would just say go-ahead.....

Wow for £300 you can buy another one and sell the cracked screen one on eBay
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My Note 2 also met an unfortunate fate of glass-floor impact. I went down the cheap route after a lot of research and paid £30 for a glass, tools and 2M tape kit. It did the job, but I find that after a day or two, especially in this heatwave we're having at present in the UK the screen does start to lift a bit and the responsiveness of the screen does drop considerably. Pressing the screen down brings it back to normal however.
Also the cheap route brings about what looks like moisture under the screen. (attached) It's actually just where the glass is touching the digitiser, and only occurs in the middle of the screen. I assume this is only because the repair tape is on the outside of the digitiser so has some wiggle room. It'd probably not exist, or lift, if a LOCA glue was used or an all over repair adhesive was applied to the entire glass. Downside to both of these is future repairs are just as tricky as the initial repair, with lots of headgun/hairdryer use. Also with the adhesive I heard that it's very hard to get on without imperfections. I guess it depends on how well you can repair tech and/or how flush with cash you are at the time.