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CNET's Molly Wood takes Mango for a spin

Have you read about Brandon Watson's challenge to Molly Wood? What about her first impressions? Do you feel her complaints are valid?
Please don't derail this thread into an Android/W7 argument (again!), she happens to have lots of followers and any of her criticism will resonate with many and in my opinion will help address some things faster (some things she hasn't discovered yet so try to give a her break on that).
I'm not running Mango so I'd like to hear from people who do and know if they agree with what she has to say.
http://news.cnet.com/molly-rants/

The only problem with her review is that too many of her "cons" are simply based on ignorance (and I don't mean that in a pejorative sense). She didn't know the correct way to do something on WP7, and tried to apply Android techniques. When they didn't work, she assumed that the feature was either broken or missing.
If her followers read those criticisms and assume she is right, it may prevent them from giving WP7 a fair chance on their own.

Yep. Tis already begun. Two commenters have said they won't buy based on "Molly's impressions" and "little annoyances" she's described.
Her only real beef should be with the navigation. Outside of that, she has an argument as to comparitive number of apps. Yet, she hasn't explored the marketplace thoroughly enough to actually talk about what's there. She just knows two apps she uses aren't there.
I'd give her some time with it and I'm certain she'll clear up some of the things she's already posted which are incorrect.

She will... She complained before on her podcast about not having an app for facebook chat then corrected it on her blog after she was told it's built-in. Hopefully the listeners also read the blog, otherwise some might be a lost cause already.
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I'm really glad she's made such a fuss over the navigation and I really hope Microsoft pay attention. It's bloody stupid as it is - not matter what the reasons may be (I've heard licencing issues?) Microsoft need to sort this out.
She has some other valid points, but she hasn't (as she admits) touched upon a lot of the more unique features of WP7.5
Casey

Apparently turn by turn is indeed due to licensing issues but with Nokia owning Navteq this should be sorted in Tango (hopefully) or Apollo.
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Peew971 said:
Apparently turn by turn is indeed due to licensing issues but with Nokia owning Navteq this should be sorted in Tango (hopefully) or Apollo.
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I sure hope it is, because as it now stands, you can guarantee that it will be the cause of a lot of mocking from Android users. And comments such as this one I read on the article page aren't going to help much either:
Well Molly I have to say I actually enjoy the navigation. Think about it, if everyone's satnav did this, that commercial where the guy is driving his car and his wife calls and then the satnav (which is a woman's voice, btw) goes, 'Motel is on the right' and the wife goes, 'MOTEL?!? **CLICK**' that would never happen. While I agree it is a bit of an annoyance, I like it better. And it's fun when it congratulates you. Didn't you say you like the "pretty sounds?" Well when you do something right, it makes a pretty sound. so, please don't harp on what is probably the best implementation of navigation in the history of cell phones. Also, The thing I don't like about other satnav implementations, is that they get annoying. "In 1.5mi. turn left onto Camino St. then turn left onto Avery Avenue" then .25 mi later it says nearly exactly the same thing. For me what's great about the Mango implementation is that you only have to listen to the annoying computerized lady voice when you forget what your next turn should be. That's the brilliance of the Mango implementation.
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It's one thing to defend Microsoft for having no choice but to implement the system as it is due to licensing issues, but it's quite another to try to make the absurd claim that this system is better in any way. It's not.

it wasn't a biased or negative critique. id say it was spot on, by a regular user trying to use it as a daily driver. speaking of daily driver, I had no idea navigation was so broken. ugh !
yes, ios and android are mentioned .... if you are surprised or annoyed by this, smell some coffe. ios and android are dominating the market for a few reasons, this review sheds light on them.
improve and enjoy some success microsoft !

The verdict is in, it's a 50/50. I read what she had to say and find her point about Skydrive fair. It needs to have a proper app and a desktop client with better functionality. For techies it might be fine but for an average user it's a bit of a mess.
Off to watch her video now...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20094766-256/windows-phone-7-challenge-week-2-the-verdict/?tag=mncol;title

Peew971 said:
The verdict is in, it's a 50/50. I read what she had to say and find her point about Skydrive fair. It needs to have a proper app and a desktop client with better functionality. For techies it might be fine but for an average user it's a bit of a mess.
Off to watch her video now...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20094766-256/windows-phone-7-challenge-week-2-the-verdict/?tag=mncol;title
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And also how can an average user FIND OUT that Facebook chat has an inbuilt Messenger?

Sorry guys, but this review was amature at best. If you are going to call yourself a writer, and agree to do a test drive of a device, you owe to your readers to find the correct answers to any concerns or misunderstood features of said device. This is where she failed, and this is where CNET always fails.
This is nothing more than letting your Mom or Sister borrow your phone and you then ask them for an opinion. They are not allowed to seek actual advice, from an actually knowledgeable source.
This type of review is a disservice to technology in general. That is my opinion and that is why I do not use CNET for anything important.

I agree completely. She made so many mistakes and it was obvious she didn't bother researching any of her so called problems. The majority of the stuff she said wrong was corrected in her comments which she clearly didn't read. What a joke.
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Sorry guys, but this review was amature at best. If you are going to call yourself a writer, and agree to do a test drive of a device, you owe to your readers to find the correct answers to any concerns or misunderstood features of said device. This is where she failed, and this is where CNET always fails.
This is nothing more than letting your Mom or Sister borrow your phone and you then ask them for an opinion. They are not allowed to seek actual advice, from an actually knowledgeable source.
This type of review is a disservice to technology in general. That is my opinion and that is why I do not use CNET for anything important.
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was Molly Wood ever a man ?

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was Molly Wood ever a man ?
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I dunno, but the poor girl looks 10 years older than she really is.
And a little less sex in the city marathons with a jar of burbon/jug of martini, and a little more technology knowledge would be nice. Especially for a CNET writer.

Outlook and calendar
Watching a relative of mine having the Galaxy II, then I really understand how far behind email and calendar is... I just can't believe that she couldn't see that!!!
Merging mailboxes with threaded email... Outlook, Gmail, Live and Facebook calendar all in one with different colors... even better than the pc-version
Someone should have assisted her with this... someone who understands the value of it...

All that being said maybe it also means WP7 is not as simple as we all think for an average user.
Don't get me wrong, WP7 is very simple and intuitive but if you need a manual to understand some features then it means it could be made simpler.
Maybe it's because she was coming from Android rather than say a feature phone and had expectations but the point remains. And she's right about Skydrive/Turn by Turn.

if she got final mango like everyone else, there is a nice book to help the transition. right in the programs menu. with videos and text to speech for every, single, thing.

Peew971 said:
All that being said maybe it also means WP7 is not as simple as we all think for an average user.
Don't get me wrong, WP7 is very simple and intuitive but if you need a manual to understand some features then it means it could be made simpler.
Maybe it's because she was coming from Android rather than say a feature phone and had expectations but the point remains. And she's right about Skydrive/Turn by Turn.
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I agree.
If a person is coming from a standard phone to WP7 their impressions will be different, then those coming from another platform. I personally don't find any of the OS's easier or harder to use they're just different, with their own learning
curve. All reviewers bring their own personal bias into reviews IMO. The question is whether you think WP7 is better, not equal to other platforms. If you ask that type of question you have to take the good with the bad.
The map directions tapping is silly, MS should have known better then to even bother to include such a poorly implemented feature. If they don't have the rights to do it properly then don't do it.

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The map directions tapping is silly, MS should have known better then to even bother to include such a poorly implemented feature. If they don't have the rights to do it properly then don't do it.
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Than, they'd complain there's no default/built-in Turn by Turn Navigation. This is a no win scenario. People have to realize that MS was severely neutered by that anti-trust law suit. Now they are alot less aggressive & very careful so they are not sued again in this manor. Besides, people forget the 3rd Party apps like Garmin/etc & the fact that Nokia's map app is coming. The Mango Turn by Turn Navigation is nothing more than a way to tie people over till that comes.
Now, don't get me wrong, WP7 & Mango are far from perfect, but MS is working on it. They just posted a job listing to bring better PC/WP7 USB syncing of docs/etc.
Finally! Microsoft planning to connect Windows Phone and the desktop
Molly is supposed to be a power user btw, & she got so many things wrong in her review. I have to wonder if she even tried. It took her 2 weeks to set up WP7, it took me 2 hours tops. She must of never looked in the Office/Pictures Hub as she claims there's no Skydrive integration. Her review is nothing more than a joke. Scott Adams did a better review & he's an "average user," go figure.....

I think the only thing Molly can do now is to read up and post another review along the lines of "When I learnt how to use it" which should correct most of her errors.
Of course, as has been pointed out, if she genuinely made these errors then there must be a reason...(and I'm not going to say she's stupid).

Windows phone lost another to Siri

Ok well a guy I work with has a Samsung Focus, pretty decent device. BTW this is the only person I know that has a windows phone. ATT gave him the Focus free because of him having problems with his previous dumb phone. That was nice of ATT.
So recently this guy told me that the Focus has been giving him problems of late and he is hating it, like when he opens the camera and press the camera button the phone restarts.
So another guy I work with sold him an iphone 3g as a backup. So he goes home and plays with a non activated iphone 3g and he is wowed by the 3g. He told me how he downloaded apps and the phone was so fun without it even being activated. Now he wants an iphone which is fine because WP didnt win him over. They lost a user by ATT even giving him the WP device for free.
One thing I have noticed is that people tend to follow the fad. Siri is nice, which makes Tellme have a lot of work to do. I stand behind Windows Phone and will continue to. Everyone I know either are a Android or iphone user besides my cousin who is still a Symbian user but im slowly converting him over to Windows phone with the Nokia device.
My question is, how will WP overcome the competition or will they ever. They have a long way to go keeping up with the competition and passing them up. What will Windows offer that will appeal to more users? How will Windows wow people?

I have a kid that had an iPhone 3GS and Apple swapped her 3GS *FIVE* times, because all of them would either reboot, drop service, etc, etc. Got her an HTC Surround and she loves it. Couple weeks ago she dropped her surround and cracked the display. I asked her if she wanted to switch back to using her iPhone 3GS and she said "not thanks, I'd rather user this one with a cracked screen than my iPhone".
Molly Wood obviously got a problematic HTC Trohpy when she did her review, as she said it rebooted once to twice a day. Anyone who has a Windows Phone 7 knows that they are very stable and if you have one with issues, its probably HW related. The iPhone is considered a fairly stable platform, yet you hear problems all the time of stability and signal issues. All platforms have hardware issues and its how the carriers and OEM deal with this is really what is the big impact.
I have an InfiniTV that has never had an issue, yet I ordered one for a friend and his stops working every once in a while. Again, probably bad hardware.
My best friend works for AT&T as a floor sales person and I was talking to him about Windows Phone. He said the reason that he doesn't push them is that they have a high return rate. I asked him if it was because the OS is poor or that it was different from Android and iOS and he said he didn't really know.
I was showing a good friend of mine my focus yesterday and he really liked it. However, when he went into T-Mobile, he got an Android "because it was cheap and did what he needed". Both of my kids have Windows Phone and all of their friends with Android and iPhones say they wish they had a Windows Phone. None of them have switched, though.
And Siri? Lets just say "No Sir-e". Android, iPhone and Windows Phone all have voice commands. When was the last time you saw someone use them? Probably sames answer as when was the last time you saw someone else with a Windows Phone.... Voice commands are cool, but not actually used much, yet?

Different people have different views about how to use their phone.
Siri is a nice feature, but you don't use it all the time.
I bet 99% people here used to love playing around with Voice Features when it first came out, but then they find themselves hardly use it. I know i did.
People would find themsleves a suitable device and OS, because it really depends on how they use it, how much they have, which features they want, and how it helps their life. Everone has a different taste, just like when you say the HD2 is too big and then a lot of people still love it.
You never expected the phone gonna answer you the whole thing you throw to it, so don't depend on it, they don't have a human brain to reconize everything we said from slang... pros vocabs and a supersmart and large database to give you the answer. Just pull it out from your pocket, spend 5s to type it in Bing Search doesn't make your world end. And it isn't always suitable to speak to the phone, some craps like "i need a bathroom" you will never speak it in front of people... most people prefer to deal with it by their own and in silent.
WP7 has Microsoft TellMe, but i hardly use it, mostly, i just enable it to read messege for me when i play games "in my own room".
But i agree, Tellme need to be upgraded, and Microsoft just published a new video about it. Look impressive to me.

I am no fan of apple product, but siri seems to have some real potential. At the release, people are disappointed because they thought it was just voice control. But actually I think it's not. Controlling the phone with voice is not a brand new idea, just like touch screen was not brand new when iphone was released. I might be wrong, but I feel Google and Microsoft will be following up on this idea.

If you hear about more people with iPhone issues than WP7 issues, it might be due to the fact that there are about 30 times as many iPhones as there are WP7 devices in circulation.
And I think is just a bit disingenuous to put the voice command features of WP7 and Android in the same league as Siri (not directed at you, resol341). Yes, they will get there, but they aren't there today. They aren't even close.

I agree, voice features are nice to have, but all I use on my Titan is the read out text thing when in the car ( which is very useful), thing is though Siri just looks really neat and will impress people enough that it will significantly add to the reasons to buy an iPhone. Microsoft is still playing catch up even after mango, they need to overhaul the competion with some killer features if they want to get mindshare, time is limited.

From another thread.
I had a friendly WP7 vs Siri Face-off today at work. It was actually pretty funny. I can't remember everything that was said, but it did involve:
"Naked Football Statistics" (WP) weather reports of Clear during a thunderstorm (Siri), Escorts to the Vikings-Bears game (WP), I can't answer that or I don't know what you mean every other question (Siri), "There are no nearby adult services" (Siri) and "Bubble, Bladder shoe powder" (WP).
Not to mention... WP won't cuss when sending a text. Gives you, "No [email protected]!" instead of No ****. Siri will cuss. And, Siri read that obscured expletive as, "Dollar sign at".
Siri also didn't know what my co-worker meant by LMFAO. WP sends lol as L-o-l. But, if it receives it as lol, it says, "laugh out loud". While siri says, "Lawl".
We spent about 30 minutes doing this as we weren't too busy. It was pretty funny all the crazy stuff coming from the two platforms.
They both got a lot of things right and did pretty well but they definitely got things wrong. Overall, they turned out to be roughly the same in their understanding of spoken phrases and repeating said phrases.
In the end, Siri's biggest advantage was that it has more commands at its disposal than Windows Phone allowing some context in questions and search. Whereas, windows phone is fairly straight forward and has less commands. That being said, believe it or not, they're fairly equal in capabilities.

Wyn6 said:
From another thread.
I had a friendly WP7 vs Siri Face-off today at work. It was actually pretty funny. I can't remember everything that was said, but it did involve:
"Naked Football Statistics" (WP) weather reports of Clear during a thunderstorm (Siri), Escorts to the Vikings-Bears game (WP), I can't answer that or I don't know what you mean every other question (Siri), "There are no nearby adult services" (Siri) and "Bubble, Bladder shoe powder" (WP).
Not to mention... WP won't cuss when sending a text. Gives you, "No [email protected]!" instead of No ****. Siri will cuss. And, Siri read that obscured expletive as, "Dollar sign at".
Siri also didn't know what my co-worker meant by LMFAO. WP sends lol as L-o-l. But, if it receives it as lol, it says, "laugh out loud". While siri says, "Lawl".
We spent about 30 minutes doing this as we weren't too busy. It was pretty funny all the crazy stuff coming from the two platforms.
They both got a lot of things right and did pretty well but they definitely got things wrong. Overall, they turned out to be roughly the same in their understanding of spoken phrases and repeating said phrases.
In the end, Siri's biggest advantage was that it has more commands at its disposal than Windows Phone allowing some context in questions and search. Whereas, windows phone is fairly straight forward and has less commands. That being said, believe it or not, they're fairly equal in capabilities.
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Then i would say Siri has more command but Bing on Windows Phone is a smart searching engine.

The title has nothing to do with the actual thread as from the story the guy was wowed by an iPhone 3G so that has nothing to do with Siri.
This is the real issue... Even without Siri people would still go and buy the iPhone 4S, that has nothing to do with voice command.
Windows Phone is great, the UI is smooth, it rarely crashes (well except on HTC phones it seems) and integrates social quite well. However for most people, once the first 2-3 weeks are gone the novelty comes from apps and games and these are not there on WP. If you need a particular app for your phone, you will definitely find it on iOS and will probably find it on Android. It's very unlikely you will find it on WP unless it's a very popular app and even then there's no guarantee. A typical conversation between a WP an a android/iPhone user goes like this:
- Let me call you, do you have skype?
- It's not available yet (no one cares if it's "coming")
- How about Tango?
- Not there either but I have WhatsApp
- Alright, fine
- Do you have "X" app? It's pretty great
- Nope
- How about "X" game? It will blow you away
- Neither but I do have Xbox Live on my phone
- Cool, I have an Xbox 360, what games do you get on the phone?
- (better not to mention)
Rince and repeat the last bit with facebook and Zune. It's nice to have if you're into these things but it's not groundbreaking.
Most people get their phone on a 2 years contract, they don't want a phone that's just nice and promises more apps and games, they can just get that phone in 2 years time!
I was definitely going to recommend WP to my friends after Mango but the truth is there hasn't been an app or game worth downloading in 2 or 3 months so once the novelty wears off they would be pretty bored. My girlfriend has been playing 3 different Angry Birds games on her Nexus S lately and she got them all for free. She has dozens of apps that don't exist on WP so I can't possibly push her towards the platform. Same goes for my gamer friends who have tons of great games on their iPhone. Windows Phone could have competed on price but now you can get an iPhone 3GS for free or an iPhone 4 for 99$ so you would need seriously good arguments.
So all in all the issue isn't just Siri impressing people, it's also Microsoft not having a "Siri feature", i.e. a feature that makes you go "I want that phone".

RoboDad said:
If you hear about more people with iPhone issues than WP7 issues, it might be due to the fact that there are about 30 times as many iPhones as there are WP7 devices in circulation.
And I think is just a bit disingenuous to put the voice command features of WP7 and Android in the same league as Siri (not directed at you, resol341). Yes, they will get there, but they aren't there today. They aren't even close.
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Has microsoft finally released sales figures for wp7, or is this speculation ? 30:1 seems quite high on the wp side.

No the guy wants a 4s. The guy who sold him the 3g upgraded to the 4s and he saw that. He doesn't want the 3g as his primary.
Lets be real the only reason the 4s is selling crazy like it is because of the iPhone reputation and siri. No one cares about the dual core and obviously a bigger screen didn't matter wither in which plenty of people gripped about.
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No the guy wants a 4s. The guy who sold him the 3g upgraded to the 4s and he saw that. He doesn't want the 3g as his primary.
Lets be real the only reason the 4s is selling crazy like it is because of the iPhone reputation and siri. No one cares about the dual core and obviously a bigger screen didn't matter wither in which plenty of people gripped about.
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Most people buy the iPhone for its status symbol... they want to be in line for 4 days, show off their brand new iPhone and use about 1% of its abilities.
You do have a number of geeks, nerds and power users that make the best of a great smartphone like the iPhone, but the majority of them are just sheep, that buy into a trent or very well marketed brand (where MS needs to seriously catch up).

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No the guy wants a 4s. The guy who sold him the 3g upgraded to the 4s and he saw that. He doesn't want the 3g as his primary.
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It doesn't matter. The point is when he tried an iPhone he knew he wanted that. Now he wants the 4S most likely because it's the latest iPhone but his choice of OS was already made so this has nothing to do with Siri to start with.

4 million in 3 days is freaking amazing.
The biggest let down around here, has become the highest selling.
Remember we don't need dual cores, stupid app launcher OS, and only one device with a small screen.

vetvito said:
4 million in 3 days is freaking amazing.
The biggest let down around here, has become the highest selling.
Remember we don't need dual cores, stupid app launcher OS, and only one device with a small screen.
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It is impressive, but not unexpected. Now that Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T all have the iPhone, it's a guaranteed record breaker.
In all honesty though, who really cares? I prefer to have what I think is best for me. I do not care what anyone else thinks of my phone. I do go through phones quickly because I am addicted to technology and just like to keep up with it. I would never buy a phone so that I can prove to the world how cool I am.
I think Siri is great technology (even if Apple didn't really develop it). I also know that it is something I would only use when trying to impress others. I am not one to broadcast what I am doing on my phone out loud. There are few scenarios where voice control would appeal to me. But, this technology is important and needs to continue developing and improving.

I tried Siri in my natural language (Italian) and it couldn't even place a phone call or open an application. I didn't read any manual about it, but it tried saying phrases like "Call <Name>" or "text <someone>" or "open mail" or "search for <thing>". And it never worked!
Never had such problem with WP7.5, except for once when I tried to "search for GLEE" and it opened Bing searching for "teen ass" :-/

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You're kidding, right?
Can you schedule an appointment or set a location-specific reminder with WP7's voice commands?
Sure, WP7 can find a few things on Bing searches, but that is only a small part of Siri. It is integrated into the OS on a much deeper level than Tellme, and can do a lot more. They are not fairly equal.

No, sir. I'm not kidding. Fairly equal doesn't mean exactly equal. Siri can do a few more things than WP can do as I stated. But, having watched/listened to the tech firsthand, it doesn't do a ton more than WP does. I'm not saying it isn't better I'm just saying it isn't overwhelmingly superior as some believe.
My post above was anecdotal and not really a comparison of which was better. It was more me dwelling on the humorous things that both of the services came up with when asked to do certain tasks. Siri may have more commands but it's understanding of what a user is saying doesn't really surpass WP per se.
But, just for you, Robodad ... when I go back to work tomorrow, I'll play with it some more and see if we missed something. Although, she had me playing a game of Words with Friends against her brother-in-law. So, Siri experimentation might take a backseat.

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That being said, believe it or not, they're fairly equal in capabilities.
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I played with both, there is no comparison.
Also, day to day usage is a big plus, as far as voice commands go. Its possible to navigate to a friends house, txt them you're on the way, and check traffic without much hassle. Pretty badass from a phone.
Where's that speach to text video that was so laughable not long ago....

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I tried Siri in my natural language (Italian) and it couldn't even place a phone call or open an application. I didn't read any manual about it, but it tried saying phrases like "Call <Name>" or "text <someone>" or "open mail" or "search for <thing>". And it never worked!
Never had such problem with WP7.5, except for once when I tried to "search for GLEE" and it opened Bing searching for "teen ass" :-/
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That's why i love Bing/TellMe/windows phone, it knows what i want

Siri like app

Has anyone tried using speaktoit from the market?
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use iris
it's cool

I tried iris I think speaktoit is better
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why do people think siri is cool? its talking to a machine!
generation of mobile phone using assholes.
1. first mobile phone users with large handsets out in public
2. people wearing a suit walking around talking loudly into their handset all the time
3. business people adopting this more by carrying around a briefcase with nokia ringtone
4. use of bluetooth headsets, business people talking loudly in public but actually speaking on the phone as if they are SOOO important they need to talk whilst shopping
5. Siri comes along replacing the need for someone to actually talk to whilst you look like a **** walking around with your bluetooth headset in talking to your phone and getting updates on weather and calendar notifications....
Siri just seems so stupid and dumb to me, mobile phones should be personal rather then broadcasted telling your phone what to text or email...
am i the only one who thinks this?

Speak to it works ok, still kinda weak... For example I tell it to text bob what's up, and it writes bob what's up versus google built in would choose bob as the contact. Speak to it wants you to manually select the contact and hit send. So basically it just translated your speech, not very smart. But it is in beta! Has lots of potential especially the personality it has, but it needs more integration, automation, and maybe different voices. Plus a way to activate it without bringing up the app our widget and hitting the mic button.

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Speak to it works ok, still kinda weak... For example I tell it to text bob what's up, and it writes bob what's up versus google built in would choose bob as the contact. Speak to it wants you to manually select the contact and hit send. So basically it just translated your speech, not very smart. But it is in beta! Has lots of potential especially the personality it has, but it needs more integration, automation, and maybe different voices. Plus a way to activate it without bringing up the app our widget and hitting the mic button.
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yeah, it would really need to be integrated into the OS really to work as well as apple's does. but again... like most apple stuff, its gimmicky and worthless to most.
to be fair, it did play with they for an hour last night. its okay maybe if youre driving but really other than that.... stupid.

I'm using Voice Actions, I find it to be somewhat useful. Its like having another shortcut to get things opened and done. I installed a Loquendo voice so that it sounds better.
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penfold1992 said:
why do people think siri is cool? its talking to a machine!
generation of mobile phone using assholes.
1. first mobile phone users with large handsets out in public
2. people wearing a suit walking around talking loudly into their handset all the time
3. business people adopting this more by carrying around a briefcase with nokia ringtone
4. use of bluetooth headsets, business people talking loudly in public but actually speaking on the phone as if they are SOOO important they need to talk whilst shopping
5. Siri comes along replacing the need for someone to actually talk to whilst you look like a **** walking around with your bluetooth headset in talking to your phone and getting updates on weather and calendar notifications....
Siri just seems so stupid and dumb to me, mobile phones should be personal rather then broadcasted telling your phone what to text or email...
am i the only one who thinks this?
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Completely agree. I foresee Apple starting a whole new wave of people yelling at their phones (not talking to a person over the phone, but talking TO the phone) in libraries, at the movies, and other places where they should otherwise keep their mouths shut.

'Uhhh, look at meeee! Imz soo sexi wit ma nuu iPhony-speakin app!'

I've tried Iris but i'm not really sastisfied with this app
Siri like apps are a nice feature but nobody needs them and I would never pay for such an app.

the problem is that "apple" now seems to be cool when really at least imo apple always seem to be a bit.... unfinished.
as a pc user mainly i find apple products very unnatural and bulky. I own a ipod touch and i want the music on my ipod to look identical to what it does on itunes, why is that so difficult for you itunes? its little things like this that make apple not worth bothering...
back to the subject, because "apple" is "cool" it means the majority of the blind dumb sided public just inject what ever gimmick that apple throws at them directly into their veins. When using an iphone i never once thought..."you know what the problem is here... i cant put a notification in my diary about when i want to eat dinner with my mum... i wish my phone knew who my mum was so i could ask to call mum and it will dial her" i usually think of issues like "why is their camera so bad in day light, i dont want to take better quality night photos thats like giving me a nice smelling **** to hold... no matter what it smells like i dont want to hold the thing! Besides why doesnt my ipod tunes look EXACTYLY LIKE IT DOES ON ITUNES!"
what about... why cant i see some simple things on my home screen like unread emails or weather widgets? and as a user of the ipod i feel treated like a brick... once i take the ipod out of its box im very restricted with what i can do, there are no customisation options that are of any intrest

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Has anyone tried using speaktoit from the market?
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Why did this post get soooooooooooo far away from the original question? Not a lot of help here for the person who posted. I too am somewhat interested in an app like this for my own reasons but I don't feel it deserves other folks telling me why I shouldn't want/need an app like this. This is a great website with a lot of great, helpful folks who I very much appreciate so, does anyone have anything "constructive" to add as a response to the original question?

I just use the built-in Voice Search. Does a majority of what Siri does, and has the advantage of having been out significantly longer. Amusing to use 'navigate to' or 'listen to' and have an iDrone comment on how fast Google 'stole' Siri.
Voice Actions is OK, and Jeannie is decent aside from a HUGE amount of spin-up time and a tendency to take over for the A2DP 'play' function.

Been a while, and I'm sure a few updates to the app since this thread started but Speak To It is pretty good.
Our G2s have the search button on the buttom right of the screen; this button can be set up to access the app, so no need to have the widget up or start the app.
When you access the app via the search button , its more Siri -like as in you don't see the Avatar but the app otherwise works as it normally does
I love how it gives you witty responses too like if you ask it does it smoke or if it's in love for example LOL

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I've used Vlingo....not too bad actually. Give it a try

Take a look at Utter
I know the OP was from last year, but i just came across this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1508195&highlight=utter
Utter
I can't wait, hope it releases soon.

(Another) Scathing WP7 Review

widely published articles like this don't help the platform, regardless of their accuracy. don't shoot the messenger.
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Goodbye, Nokia Lumia 800: £400 and one month on, it didn't work out
It's only when you live with a new phone that you discover whether you like it or not. From love at first sight, Nokia's new Windows Phone offering has turned out to be not so enthralling. Want to buy a used phone?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/dec/30/nokia-lumia-800-goodbye
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But Tell Me, Windows Phone's voice recognition app is hard-wired into Bing. Do a search in that mode and it won't use Google. As a result, I don't trust the answers and would revert back to keying in the query on Google.
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This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?

What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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agreed...how someone could say they trust Google over Bing is beyond me.

This is just one guys oppinion, those Luminas sold, a buch of people went out and got them and swear by them. I am a Windows fan no dout but he failed to point out what really makes WP not all that great like WM. Sure Windows Phone is better than WM in the sense that it doesn't freez up as much and it is more pretty but WM gave the user more choices and the ability to actually do useful stuff on it. I agree that Zune sucks ass and don't understand why MS went the iPhone route on it with it's lame limitations, I mean come on; are you [email protected] me, you can't even send or receive MMS message that include Audio/Video (Only pictures) my old crappy WM6.1 could do that and how along ago was that? Hopefuly people are right when they say to give it a chance because the OS is only 2 years old for Windows Phone sake if they really ever plan to make it in the long run. We will have to see what Tango or Apollo brings but quite frankly there is a reason why people write negative rviews about the phone, MS needs to start listening to people instead of telling what they can and can't do.

Is it a coincidence all the smartphone articles I see from the Guardian are negative? negative news = mass page hits from whomever you pissed off. My take...
(FWIW alot of the Guardian articles I have been linked to were RIM related, so I may only see one side of it. Lol)

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What a dumb thing to say. Don't trust bing? Yeah its all a conspiracy out to brainwash you
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Nice spin. It was fairly obvious that when the author wrote about "trust" it is about accuracy and completeness of data. I don't trust Bing, because more often than not it delivers sub-par results, whether that is an address search, or a subject-matter query. I cannot rely on Bing to give me the results I need consistently, so I go back to Google every time.

Blacklac said:
Is it a coincidence all the smartphone articles I see from the Guardian are negative? negative news = mass page hits from whomever you pissed off. My take...
(FWIW alot of the Guardian articles I have been linked to were RIM related, so I may only see one side of it. Lol)
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its the guardian
its complete crap. I have yet to read one article about anything worth mentioning from the guardian. It's like both the guardian and sun may as well be in tow for awful reporting and sensationalism

that's some wank article! - the shameful thing is some Steve Jobs' pet has written something that's shared over 1000 times combined on twitter and facebook!
Surely was written on a hung over morning or a drunken night. He is just a journalist. SEE what the actual TECHY people say - http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/why-i-dont-want-an-iphone-any-more-50006257/?tag=mncol;txt

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from the article-
This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?
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Hang on, this isn't odd behaviour at all. I'm the exact same way. Why?
Because again and again, Bing is wrong about stuff.
Map locations being the worst. We went to Ottawa over Christmas. I entered my sister's address into Bing maps, and it showed them as living downtown... about 30km away.
Google maps was correct, and I had to type in less info.
When I'm in my city, I go to Bing, and I type in something like "123 Cedar", it will return things like "Cedar Pine Resort" or "1-2-3 Lawn Care". Useless.
It also fails to come up with some simple results when searching for things, whereas Google seems to just know what you're looking for. Sorry, but Google is a superior product in every conceivable way. I love wp, but I never ever use Bing.

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Hang on, this isn't odd behaviour at all. I'm the exact same way. Why?
Because again and again, Bing is wrong about stuff.
Map locations being the worst. We went to Ottawa over Christmas. I entered my sister's address into Bing maps, and it showed them as living downtown... about 30km away.
Google maps was correct, and I had to type in less info.
When I'm in my city, I go to Bing, and I type in something like "123 Cedar", it will return things like "Cedar Pine Resort" or "1-2-3 Lawn Care". Useless.
It also fails to come up with some simple results when searching for things, whereas Google seems to just know what you're looking for. Sorry, but Google is a superior product in every conceivable way. I love wp, but I never ever use Bing.
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In the UK, specifically London, Bing maps is spot on, even on the inner streets of the city! Guardian's fanboy surely was in UK while reviewing the phone!

^ are your location settings correct?
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This (strange) comment really belies how biased this 'review' is. Toss this article into the heap of fanboy posts. How is this on the guardian website, are they stooping to link-bait articles?
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Microsoft's search engines are not their forte`. Even their WP7 Marketplace search engine is way sub-par and omits many results. It requires a user to be very specific about what they are trying to find. Google's search engine is Google's forte`. Google's whole business is centered on their search engine. It's natural that their search system would be better and more trustworthy.
Microsoft's forte` is the PC OS and they are world class with it. None others can compete with them...not even Apple. But Microsoft's Bing Maps and nav are better than Google's...in my opinion. And also WP7 is better than the best smartphone system, the iPhone. So Microsoft can compete in many ways. But the search engine is not one of them. They have some serious work to do to even approach Google's.

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^ are your location settings correct?
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Please go on

I think he's got some valid points. I can't believe the single global volume setting hasn't been fixed a year after launch (how hard can it be to have separate "media" volume setting for Zune and other apps). Likewise I too don't trust the accuracy of the Bing search and so have resorted to a Google tile pinned to my start screen.
It's too easy to dismiss this as a fanboy review (some of his complaints are personal/misguided [e.g. timer app being tombstoned means it hasn't been "Mango'ised"] and won't affect everyone) but I sympathise with his whole "lack of trust" issue because I went through the same exercise with an Android phone (battery draining for no reason, slow response/lag, difficulty accessing Android market) and it's no fun when you don't want to pick up and use that device you've forked over a good amount of your own money for. Everyone who is being dismissive of this review should bear that last point in mind - this guy wasn't sent a review unit but rather went and bought one with his own cash out of excitement. I think that should get him a little respite from the "fanboi" comments.

It took the reviewer 7 days, lots of googling to figure out that the "arrow" next to the artist is in fact a play button. That says it all really

RoboDad said:
Nice spin. It was fairly obvious that when the author wrote about "trust" it is about accuracy and completeness of data. I don't trust Bing, because more often than not it delivers sub-par results, whether that is an address search, or a subject-matter query. I cannot rely on Bing to give me the results I need consistently, so I go back to Google every time.
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Lol. Agree.
I found this part interesting:
It's actually the quality of the sound output that really lets the Lumia down. For one thing, you only have one volume setting so if you crank the volume up to full (as I have to in my car - or, OK, want to), the ringer ends up at full as well. So every time I unplug it from the car, I have to wind the volume back. That's ignoring the fact that the volume is insultingly quiet. I bought a headphone amplifier, which made a difference, but the resulting sound has little punch or verve, which I think is due to the Lumia, not the app. Something in that bundle of hardware and software is stripping the life out of the music and giving it a sort of pasty, Val Doonican-like quality. The Lumia does not, repeat not, turn your car into a banging urban clubland.
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Because it's been my #1 complaint with WP7 devices since they were released. Too many of them suffer from poor sound.
I need to look for a tear down of some WP7 devices to see what type media hardware these things have in them. The sound is not cute at all, and neither is the management of volume levels for different sound types (Media, RingTone, System, Notifications, etc.).
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MartyLK said:
Microsoft's search engines are not their forte`. Even their WP7 Marketplace search engine is way sub-par and omits many results. It requires a user to be very specific about what they are trying to find. Google's search engine is Google's forte`. Google's whole business is centered on their search engine. It's natural that their search system would be better and more trustworthy.
Microsoft's forte` is the PC OS and they are world class with it. None others can compete with them...not even Apple. But Microsoft's Bing Maps and nav are better than Google's...in my opinion. And also WP7 is better than the best smartphone system, the iPhone. So Microsoft can compete in many ways. But the search engine is not one of them. They have some serious work to do to even approach Google's.
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No offense, but Bing is not better than Google Maps and Navigation. Not even close.
However, we shall see what the Nokia deal does the strengthen that...

This guy made me laugh when trying to figure out how to use the zune media player. I mean it really is not that hard to use at all, even my 4 year old nephew can use it.

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Lol. Agree.
I found this part interesting:
Because it's been my #1 complaint with WP7 devices since they were released. Too many of them suffer from poor sound.
I need to look for a tear down of some WP7 devices to see what type media hardware these things have in them. The sound is not cute at all, and neither is the management of volume levels for different sound types (Media, RingTone, System, Notifications, etc.).
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No offense, but Bing is not better than Google Maps and Navigation. Not even close.
However, we shall see what the Nokia deal does the strengthen that...
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No offense taken. I did the tests and came to the conclusion Bing Maps is better...or was, at the time, about 3 or 4 months ago.

Zune is bad? I never had a problem with it. This guy was obviously reaching in order to fill up white space in a dry article. He makes one or 2 good points, the rest is just bull**** and he knows it.

Siri vs Tellme

Well, nothing like a stroll through memory lane every once in a while.
To get things started here is an article talking about Siri useage. This is an interesting exact from the article:
"Making phone calls and sending text-messages are the most popular activities, according to the report, a sign that Siri usage is mirroring how people use their phones more generally. Roughly a third of 4S owners use Siri to place phone calls, send text messages, or look up information daily or almost daily."
In other words, people are using Siri to do what every Android and Windows phone does, and does quite well already.
Now to go back to this thread titled "Windows phone lost another to Siri".
So, let us face it... Android and Windows Phone have voice recognition software that can accomplish exactly what most people are using Siri to do right now. The rest is fluff. I know I went on record saying I can see why someone would want to say "Call John" but I cannot for the life of me see the point in some of the other "Knock Knock... Who is there?" things.

If everyone rode their bike straight from home, to work, and back home... we would never have learned backflips are possible.
Thank goodness for some fluff in life.

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If everyone rode their bike straight from home, to work, and back home... we would never have learned backflips are possible.
Thank goodness for some fluff in life.
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Okay, let us run with the analogy. Why then are people in that thread somehow trying to paint the picture that backflips are an important and useful part of riding a bike?
If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
I said it before and I will say it again, Siri as advertised is a gimmick.
Call ohgood = useful
Open program = useful
Interacting with your phone like it is your best buddy = slightly disturbing.

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If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
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I got this at least 3 times.
Continuing the analogy..
I asked 3 different people riding different coloured but the same bike "How did you end up spending so much money on your bike?"
The answer I got, though worded differently by each rider, can be summerized as "Because I can do backflips all the way to work and then also when I go back home, I do backflips after backflips".

the point that you guys don't see: People love to own stuffs that they don't even use them regularly. They just love to have them so if they need them (and probably never) they can use it. It is just a common thinking of people.
I know some people who just use phone for calling and texting only, and they have an Android Smartphone just to make some calls and send some message a day... And they are so proud of their phones because they have thousand of apps (i hardly ever see they use more than 3 apps) and ... fast...
It is just like money, some people really live to save up big money and hardly ever buy anything which is not necessary. It is just a good feeling when you have a lot of money in your pocket, same with the functions of siri.
Or just like me, who hardly ever have to drive around, feel terrible because my phone can't acquire the GPS signal to track down where i am . So you can't really blame people for that. lol.

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the point that you guys don't see: People love to own stuffs that they don't even use them regularly. They just love to have them so if they need them (and probably never) they can use it. It is just a common thinking of people.
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I understand what you are saying and take your point. Just remember I am have no problem with people wanting something they are not going to use. My issue here is not with the average consumer, it is with the technically inclined people who defended Siri as something that would somehow change the way people interact with their phones.
So far touchscreens have changed the game times over what Siri has done.

No contest: Siri all the way.
I used a test phone at a best buy, and it picked up my voice saying "make me an appointment for Tuesday at 2pm". No problem at all.
I can barely get TellMe to properly display "are you coming home". Takes like 4 tries.

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Okay, let us run with the analogy. Why then are people in that thread somehow trying to paint the picture that backflips are an important and useful part of riding a bike?
If you read through that thread (you made some appearances in there) some people believed Siri was the greatest thing ever. Backflips certainly are not the greatest thing to happen to bike riding...
I said it before and I will say it again, Siri as advertised is a gimmick.
Call ohgood = useful
Open program = useful
Interacting with your phone like it is your best buddy = slightly disturbing.
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(i rarely go back and read old threads, so i'll trust there was fun stuff there)
of course, a lot of the usefulness will depend on the user and the commands given. user input will dictate just how useful any application is. backflips, triple backflips, or just a blind man getting to 'drive' to taco bell.
the creativity that is possible, or requests posed to the maker of the app may do something revolutionary. maybe.

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(i rarely go back and read old threads, so i'll trust there was fun stuff there)
the creativity that is possible, or requests posed to the maker of the app may do something revolutionary. maybe.
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It went on for 11 pages so you can bet it was a barrel of monkeys It was more or less a debate about Siri with some people being skeptical (me), in the middle, or totally swimming in the koolaid river.
My fundamental problem with Siri being used as an effective method of interacting with a phone is the effort outweighs the action. I share this same skepticism with using a kinect + windows 8 as a method of navigation (a keyboad and mouse just is a better tool).
Anyway, it is clearly a user preference thing. Some people will make it useful and fit into their lives. I can't help but think Siri is Apple's way of sticking with a crappy static UI instead of going with a more dynamic one that can display more information on the home screen(s).

I don't know if this is still true, but the last time my sister and I compared her iPhone 4s to my WP7 is that hers can't read a messages and reply using hand free. I use tellme when I need as little or no hand interaction with my phone, like driving. If this is still true, this is where tell me trumps siri....reason my sister has WP7 envy.

Anyone use Ask Ziggy in the Marketplace yet? Supposed to be similar to Siri.

I use Tellme to send texts, and my friends (all of them, ha ha) have Siri. While we do the same things with them, I have noticed they have higher accuracy with the voice to text than I do. I've held an iphone side by side to my focus and said a message to both at the same time. Siri gets it right while my focus misses a few words. The added functionality of Siri doesn't matter a bit to me because I'd never use it, but when I try to send a message saying "yes ma'am" to my mom and Tellme decides to send "yes mammoth" it makes for a righteous laugh but also shows room for improvement.

Is TellMe a separate app than the one that is voice recognition built into the Messaging App?

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Is TellMe a separate app than the one that is voice recognition built into the Messaging App?
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No, TellMe is the built in one.

reminds me of a time when my friends and i were comparing Siri and TellMe, neither could send a message properly without 4/5 tries. maybe the phone don't do asian accents too well XD
but recently it's gone a lot better on my phone, imo
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it's slow and inaccurate, good fun though

I'm not a siri hater (I think it's really neat) but I can't stop laughing when Stern tries to use it on his radio show and it fails at EVERYTHING he tries. It must not understand his voice well or something. He hates the damn thing.

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The thing about TellMe, and Siri (I'm sure), is the tone of voice and sound matter. I speak quickly, so my device doesn't quite get what I say. But, when I'm a bit more sing-songy, it works much better. Let the tones move up and down with the words.
When saying "yes, ma'am" to my Lumia 800 right now, I got "yes maam" as what it captured. Not too bad.

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The thing about TellMe, and Siri (I'm sure), is the tone of voice and sound matter. I speak quickly, so my device doesn't quite get what I say. But, when I'm a bit more sing-songy, it works much better. Let the tones move up and down with the words.
When saying "yes, ma'am" to my Lumia 800 right now, I got "yes maam" as what it captured. Not too bad.
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And it is a bad thing if you have to move away from your natural speaking manner in order to get what you need done. I believe there is a place for certain interactions, where these inputs are best suited.
A keyboard and a mouse is best suited to complete a majority of tasks on a personal computer as it is designed now.
Touch (and multitouch) inputs work best in a flat architecture where the user wants to expand a selection. For example a grid of icons on a screen where these icons take you to your final destination (launching a game). Touch inputs really fall down when you take several steps towards a destination, or have to drill down to get what you want, for example start -> documents -> tax returns 2012 -> open excel sheet.
This is how I feel about voice control. Too much work to complete certain functions.

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I disagree in that how we speak absolutely matters. This technology is still pretty new. And the one variable is that few people speak the same way. How good are the softwares at recognizing how we 'mispronounce' things? Take the Siri "Rock God" commercial. The guy on HuffPo who was attempting to debunk the ad didn't use the same diction as the kid did.
The kid clearly stated Rock God. Two separate sounds. The first ending with the same consonant sound that the second begins with. The debunker actually glottalizes the phrase. He closes his gottis on the "ck", so never actually produces the consonant. This is covered by the fact that the second word begins with nearly the same sound as the first ends. So, he gives us "Rockod". This is two sounds combined into one with only a single consonant sound to separate them, when the correct speaking requires two hard sounds.
Also, inflection matters. Given that the English language is based on consonants and hard sounds to close our words, we overlook a lot of the tones/inflections that are always present. Speech recognition needs some of that, I think, to better understand what is being said.
Lastly, all of these types of conversations remind me of a book I read by Jonah Lehrer, called Proust was a Neuroscientist. He breaks down how many artists of their era and modality actually predated matching science. Gertrude Stein, for example, liked to break down language. He mentions her line "a rose is a rose is a rose". She's not talking about roses. She's making the sounds and reorganizing them:
"a rose is a rose is a rose"
"a rose isa rose is arose"
"a roses a rose..."
So, "isa" is a sound, but what does it mean? hehehe
Given the complexity of linguistics and speech recognition, and how quickly I speak, I'm willing to make concessions to help TellMe be more successful in correctly guessing my words. A little more use of tone and proper word start/stops go a long way.
Let's give the tech a few more generations before we start moaning about it. It's not Dragon, after all.

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I just downloaded it a few days ago. Initial tests were not terribly impressive. Maybe I just don't know how to ask it things the right way. Often it seems to get a few key words and just starts rambling incoherently. I need to spend more "quality time" with it before I decide whether to keep it or not.
What has your impression been?
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