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[Q] Slow USB Charging in AC outlet

Whenever I plug my Desire in an AC outlet, it charges ridiculously slow. I check the battery status and it says "Charging (USB)" (not AC) and USB Debugging pops up. My wall adapter says it has an output of 1000ma. Is the chord bottle-necking the charging speed or is it the adapter? I am using the chord that came with my phone but I bought a new adapter to fit my countries outlets.

Same problem. I would like a resolution to this also.

There is allready a thread concerning this issue and it has the solution your looking for.

mercianary said:
There is allready a thread concerning this issue and it has the solution your looking for.
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I have looked on the forums and it should seem like I should get regular AC charging on my Desire. I have a 1000mah charger and I am using the USB cable that came with my phone. I am wondering why I do not. I looked at my USB (fat side) pins and they are shortened. I have included an image of my charger.

if the adaptor says it supports iPhone etc then that is why the USB debugging symbol is coming up.
because that symbol is up it will only charge at 500mA max (the phone thinks it is in a PC, it doesn't wnat toburn out the USB port).
if it is a cheap adaptor, the voltage regulator may be limited to 100mA. thats what happened with me.
either way, in my eyes you have 3 choices.
1. buy a new adaptor
2. put a new voltage regulator in the adaptor (a friend did this for me)
3. use a converter so the adaptor you have will work in your wall.

nzdcoy said:
if the adaptor says it supports iPhone etc then that is why the USB debugging symbol is coming up.
because that symbol is up it will only charge at 500mA max (the phone thinks it is in a PC, it doesn't wnat toburn out the USB port).
if it is a cheap adaptor, the voltage regulator may be limited to 100mA. thats what happened with me.
either way, in my eyes you have 3 choices.
1. buy a new adaptor
2. put a new voltage regulator in the adaptor (a friend did this for me)
3. use a converter so the adaptor you have will work in your wall.
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O I didn't realize if it was branded to work with iPhone it would charge slowly. Thank you for your help. Next time I'll watch out for a "Works for the iPhoney."

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I would like to know how it ended?
I have a same problem, the only difference is that i have stock HTC AC charger with separate USB cable (stock too). When plugged to AC it shows "charging(USB)". Tried different cables, same result. Tried two different AC adapters, but both were from NOKIA, same result...

This might help your slow charging issue
If the wall charger is causing your phone to charge in a USB state, the charge time will be very long compared to a normal AC charging state which I'm sure you are aware of. A cable called QuickCharge might help. It will enhance USB charging to AC charging. You can find it on Amazon by searching for 'QuickCharge'. It's the 2nd or 3rd item down.

Automobile Quick Charging Solution

What is the best solution for quick charging the Galaxy Nexus in an automobile?

I have started to use 12-220 volt converter so I can use wall chargers.

I have bought a few of the low profile car usb chargers but they were never recognized as an AC charge. Come to find out, it was the USB cable. I bought a usb charging cable from Amazon last week and it goes in the USB charger and the phone does not think it is a USB charge. I have not timed it but it is recognized the same as the wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY

ellisz said:
I have bought a few of the low profile car usb chargers but they were never recognized as an AC charge. Come to find out, it was the USB cable. I bought a usb charging cable from Amazon last week and it goes in the USB charger and the phone does not think it is a USB charge. I have not timed it but it is recognized the same as the wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY
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+1 .. this solution has been working great for me, as well.

I've been getting 2.1A car chargers (look for ones for the iPad), most of the ones I had prior to this were 700mA or so and they can't keep up with my 1A phones. Be careful of dual port chargers advertising 2A, they may only be 1A each and may be "optimistic" about that rating. And don't worry about getting one rated for too much current, the Galaxy Nexus won't pull more than an amp no matter what the charger rating.

Some really good solutions here and thank you all for the help.
I'd really hate to use an inventer in my car just to maintain a clean install, so that really isnt an option for me.
Was really hoping to be able to use a off the shelf car charger with the correct pins to trick the GNexus into thinking that it was charging from a USB port, but the above solution should work well with using a socket USB charger.

I've never run into a car adapter that looks like a USB port, including the VZW charger with a spare port or the cheap 2.1A chargers I got from Amazon. My guess is that a charger not built correctly and leaving the data pins open only supports ~500mA anyway. Even if that's not the case I have a moral objection toward buying a cable to fix a design flaw in another cheap product - but that's just me

Grant H said:
Some really good solutions here and thank you all for the help.
I'd really hate to use an inventer in my car just to maintain a clean install, so that really isnt an option for me.
Was really hoping to be able to use a off the shelf car charger with the correct pins to trick the GNexus into thinking that it was charging from a USB port, but the above solution should work well with using a socket USB charger.
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I've got a charger similar to http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-Car-...ccessories&hash=item4ab18358f4#ht_1638wt_1392
All I had to do was undo the screws at the top, put a bit of solder between the middle usb pins, and my phone recognises it as a AC source rather than USB.

There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA

Grant H said:
What is the best solution for quick charging the Galaxy Nexus in an automobile?
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Make sure the charger has the IC (rapid) chip. I use this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Vehicle-Adapter-micro-USB-Charger/dp/B000S5Q9CA

I've heard that Motorola one mentioned a lot as a good one.
The nice thing about having the low-profile usb plug is (a) it is low profile, (b) I can use it to charge other devices. The charge-only cable is only about $4, so I had no issues buying it to work with this to charge as an AC charge over a USB charge.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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I have this one and it charges just like it does from the home outlet and its says "AC" charging. I bought another 8 for family and friends and they all love it.

I think I've figured out the disconnect, I've run into chargers that appear as a USB host which limits the charging to 500mA on previous phones I've had.
You guys are concerned about USB vs. AC charging mode. Of the chargers I've got, this one lists as AC while the rest as USB. However, the fact that the other chargers all work just fine keeping up with GPS+streaming music indicates that the USB vs. AC really has no bearing on the charge current delivered. I'd stay away from charge-only cables just because they'll get mixed in with your standard USB cables and you'll knock yourself out wondering why they don't work. On the other hand, if you really want AC in your battery info order the one I linked.

I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
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TheKaz said:
I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
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What's much more important is the rating on the power source. The GN can pull up to 1000mA, if your charger is only rated for 800mA (like many car chargers) it doesn't matter if it's in AC mode.

jdbower said:
What's much more important is the rating on the power source. The GN can pull up to 1000mA, if your charger is only rated for 800mA (like many car chargers) it doesn't matter if it's in AC mode.
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makes sense.. the one I use has dual usb (1.0 and 2.1)

You went and gave me a project for the weekend, and once again science prevails over anecdotal evidence. I took each of my 5 chargers and hooked them up to a 12V power supply that measures current. I then recorded whether the charger reported AC or USB, for the ones with USB I modified a right-angle adapter to short out the data pins, and I measured the current. The contenders:
Verizon Wireless Dual Charger
XTG Dual Port Charger
Griffen Powerjolt Dual USB Charger
Griffen Portjolt Micro
CostMad Dual USB Charger
The VZW model was USB out the external port as I had tested before, however AC out the built-in cable which I hadn't bothered to test. It pulled 0.25A @12V via the USB port and 0.59A via the cable. Hmmm... A hole develops in my previous observation. While I had used this on a long car trip with no issues, it was via the built-in cable.
The XTG was new, I hadn't used it before as it's in the car I rarely drive. It reported USB and 0.22A. With the adapter to make it report AC it pulled 0.48A.
The pattern was set. I had expected the Griffen adapters to be built more appropriately but the dual charger reported 0.22A without the adapter and 0.42A with. I had used this without losing charge in the past so this was surprising to me, but it's possible I just wasn't drawing as much current because the screen was dimmer or something.
The compact Griffen adapter (which is great for a laptop bag, BTW) pulled 0.21A and 0.47A respectively.
The cheap CostMad adapter was the only one that performed well out of the box, both reporting AC and pulled 0.57A.
In theory, a perfect adapter should pull 0.42A. Anything more is waste, anything less means it's not keeping up. I have doubts about the Griffen 2x allowing for a full amp, but the VZW and CostMad chargers are pretty lossy. What's even worse is that I'm pretty sure the VZW charger is rated for 800mA (but I can't find an actual spec on it) which would mean that it pulled the most power for the least current. Not that this really matters unless you've got an electric car.
Sorry for misleading you earlier, I should have checked the other port of the known-good VZW charger and probably doublechecked the numbers on my other "known good" charger. Still hating cables that work for charging but not for data, I ended up modifying each of the chargers to short the middle pins (except for the VZW one). If I didn't have the soldering iron for this, I probably would have gone for some of these instead.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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CyberPunk7t9 said:
Make sure the charger has the IC (rapid) chip. I use this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Vehicle-Adapter-micro-USB-Charger/dp/B000S5Q9CA
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I'm using the same one and it works perfect. Charges even when GPS navigation is running.
Make sure you select Amazon as the seller though. I heard there are a lot of fake ones.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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+1 to those recommending this one. I have this exact model and it does indeed charge at the "AC" rate, about twice as fast as the "USB" rate.

TheKaz said:
I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
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The Motorola one will charge even when using GPS. I have a friend I bought one for that uses his GPS all day and loves the Motorola charger.

[Q] Can use ipad charger to charge galaxy note?

Hi bringing one charger around would be much convenient. Can i use ipad charger, with 2A output to charge galaxy note?
Tq.

Yes. I've charged mine with it many times.

Hey thanks...

Apple out of norms
Hi
Using a standard USB cable will get you a slow charge, even if the Ipad charger is very powerfull. This is because apple doesn't follow the rules.
Charging your Note may take 6 hours then.
To get fast charge, you need to modify your cable or charger, as stated in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497864&page=2

jabab said:
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Using a standard USB cable will get you a slow charge, even if the Ipad charger is very powerfull. This is because apple doesn't follow the rules.
Charging your Note may take 6 hours then.
To get fast charge, you need to modify your cable or charger, as stated in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497864&page=2
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The increased charge in this mod seems to work for charging via usb port, power from a pc. Charge from main ac lead still higher.
So does charging my Note with an ipad adapter + Note usb cable help increase charge since the ipad adapter has an 2A output??

I'll try to make it clear.
Using a common adapter or any pc USB II or ANY apple adapter will give give you a slow charge with a standard USB to micro-USB 4 wire cable.
This is simply because they can't usually deliver more than 0.5A. For apple, they have a specific standard out of the USB norm.
To go into fast charge mode, the gnote scans pin 2 and 3 of the USB link. If they are short circuited, the gnote tries to go into fast charge mode, and draws up to 1A.
The short circuit of data pins (2 and 3) is specified in the USB norm to state "this adapter can provide 1A"
Some adapters, such as the Samsung one I got with my gnote, already have these pin short circuited inside them and make your phone go into fast charge mode.
If you have an adapter able to supply 1A or more, such as your Ipad's, the simplest way to fast charge your gnote is to have a modified cable. No risk to harm your phone nor your adapter if you respect the wiring.
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I think i understand now. Thanks so much Jabab.

jabab said:
I'll try to make it clear.
Using a common adapter or any pc USB II or ANY apple adapter will give give you a slow charge with a standard USB to micro-USB 4 wire cable.
This is simply because they can't usually deliver more than 0.5A. For apple, they have a specific standard out of the USB norm.
To go into fast charge mode, the gnote scans pin 2 and 3 of the USB link. If they are short circuited, the gnote tries to go into fast charge mode, and draws up to 1A.
The short circuit of data pins (2 and 3) is specified in the USB norm to state "this adapter can provide 1A"
Some adapters, such as the Samsung one I got with my gnote, already have these pin short circuited inside them and make your phone go into fast charge mode.
If you have an adapter able to supply 1A or more, such as your Ipad's, the simplest way to fast charge your gnote is to have a modified cable. No risk to harm your phone nor your adapter if you respect the wiring.
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what i want to know is:
if the ipad charger is 2A, will the phone draw all that 2A or just 1A?
im asking because if it designed to work with a 1A charger - is the draw capped at 1A?

Hi
The draw of any phone is limited to its maximum power consumption ie phone consumption + battery charging.
I believe this draw is limited to 1A within the gnote.
Having a 2A charger only means it can provide up to 2A. It's the "pipe" size, in a way.
If there were a way to increase the gnote draw to more than 1A, by example in order to charge the battery faster while using the GPS, this could be :
Either telling the gnote, using a resistor on the 5th pin of the micro-USB plug.
Or using a specific app.
(or both)
I'm not aware of this possibility at the moment.
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Jabab, thanks for ur valuable expert info. I've notice that charging my gnote with the ipad charger isnt much faster. But charging iphone with ipad charger does gives a great boost. What makes it possible with iphone?

Apple uses a not so different system to tell the iphone or the Ipad that it is connected to a powerful charger: the data pins are connected to the power pins through a ladder of resistances.
I see one main advantage to this: apple could change the resistances values inside the charger to indicate to the device if it is an 1A, 2A or any other current charger.
The main drawback is that this system is compatible with nothing but... Apple devices. This why you get a slow 0.5A charge with a 2A capable Ipad charger.
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I found the original thread where I learned all this. It may be much clearer than my own explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1384253
I believe though that you need a 1A (1000mA) at least charger to do the indicated mod on the charger for use with a Galaxy Note.
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[Q] Optimal charging hardware for Note III

So the note III is the first smart phone to use USB 3.0 this raises some interesting questions. First of all I’m a neophyte with electrical “stuff (to use the technical term) so I apologize if some of this is easily answered (which would be great).
1. Since USB 3.0 can draw 5 Voltsdoes this mean that the current crop of car chargers won’t charge the Note III at full speed. All the car chargers I’ve seen are 2.1 Amps (some are dual port and claim 4.2 but that’s total, not in a single port). Does this mean that we’re locked to slower charging in the car?
2. For those of us with built in DC/AC inverters, would we be better served by using that plug and a wall USB charger? If so which one, my Note III will be shipping soon, so I’m assuming that 1000mA is still the maximum (I think USB 3.0 supports 900mA).
3. Will the note III charge slower using a USB 2.0 cable even with the best inverter/car adapter
4. Do we need a “charge only” cable (like http://www.amazon.com/Specialised-Micro-USB-Cable-Charging/dp/B0088HTYUE ) to achieve the best charging speed ?
5. In the event we can't get an optimal charger will the note III charge faster with a 2.0 charge only cable vs a standard USB 2.0 (I assume so but better to ask).

The move to USB 3.0 only affects charge rates connected to a PC. 2.x is limited to 500mA while 3.x is 900mA I think. Both standards use 5V, but 2A AC chargers often run a bit higher at 5.3V. The chargers don't directly adhere to either USB spec and basically trigger fast charge the same as before, by shorting out or putting a fixed resistance between the data pins. My old HP TouchPad USB 5.3V/2A charger with 2.0 cord charges my Note 3 just as fast as the Samsung 5.3V/2A adapter with USB 3.0 cord does. If you look closely, you'll notice that the "USB 3.0" Samsung charger doesn't actually have the extra 3.0 pins, it uses a 2.0 port. That's because for pure charging devices the standard doesn't matter, only the current and voltage rating and that it shorts the data pins.
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CalcProgrammer1 said:
The move to USB 3.0 only affects charge rates connected to a PC. 2.x is limited to 500mA while 3.x is 900mA I think. Both standards use 5V, but 2A AC chargers often run a bit higher at 5.3V. The chargers don't directly adhere to either USB spec and basically trigger fast charge the same as before, by shorting out or putting a fixed resistance between the data pins. My old HP TouchPad USB 5.3V/2A charger with 2.0 cord charges my Note 3 just as fast as the Samsung 5.3V/2A adapter with USB 3.0 cord does. If you look closely, you'll notice that the "USB 3.0" Samsung charger doesn't actually have the extra 3.0 pins, it uses a 2.0 port. That's because for pure charging devices the standard doesn't matter, only the current and voltage rating and that it shorts the data pins.
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Thanks for the response.
So I should use a "charge only" cable, correct?

bladehawk said:
Thanks for the response.
So I should use a "charge only" cable, correct?
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If you want maximum charging out of a PC, yeah, otherwise it really doesn't matter. Also, if you use a fast charge kernel with fast charge enabled, it does the same thing by forcing the charger detection in software rather than in hardware. That said, you're still at the mercy of your USB port. USB 2.0 ports on PC's are only rated for 500mA usually and while you can overdraw from most without issue, you run the risk of overloading and at least triggering a software shutdown of the port (at worst, burning up the motherboard's power regulator for the USB 5V rail).
If you're plugging a cable into an AC adapter, it literally means nothing. All a "charge only" cable is is a USB A to micro B cable with the two data pins on the micro B side shorted together. Only the GND and +5V lines are wired through to the USB A connector which makes it only draw power, not data, and the shorting of the data pins makes it detect as an AC charger. Since the AC adapters short the data pins already, both cables look the same on the phone end when connected to an AC adapter. Same goes for a car adapter or external battery pack.
Technically, USB 2.0 and earlier, maybe 3.0 as well, are only supposed to let you draw 100mA. Devices must enumerate themselves to the controller and request the power limit be increased to 500mA. Many motherboards are pretty lenient about this so you can usually get away with plugging in a 500mA (or higher) load without telling the PC first but be aware it's breaking the specification and could be unsupported.

Some PC/laptop are BC 1.1 compatible. Meaning they can charge higher than the 450ma they usually do. I think it allows for up to 1.5a charging but don't quote me on that I forgot. I have a USB 2.0 hub that can use a wall charger and allows one device on any of the 4 ports (automatic sensing) to charge higher than usb2.0 specs. There are some hubs that allow all ports to do this. I am waiting for plufable technologies to update their 3.0 hub to do this.
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It is the normal case that the speed will be much slower when you charge a device such as your Note3 via USB than via DC Power Supply. USB is mainly designed for the communication. The standard charging current of many mobile phones is 1 A or higher. But the highest output current of USB cable is only 0.5 A which could not reach the source demand of a phone. Except for this, we do not recommend charging via USB because the unstable current output can easily reduce the battery life of your Note 3.

Handlewd said:
Except for this, we do not recommend charging via USB because the unstable current output can easily reduce the battery life of your Note 3.
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Now that's something I never thought about. I would always plug my old phone into my computer when I got to work just to keep it topped off. Though lately, I'm plugging into a powered Belkin hub, so hopefully the current is more stable.
Now that I've got a new phone, I may rethink my charging strategy.

Does Plugging In A Fast Charger Do Anything?

Will it charge faster?
Does it do harm?

What do you mean by fast charger? also what tablet -
On my tab pro 8.4 when hooked to the stock 2A charger it will charge close to 2A (1870mA) , I haven't tried hooking it up to anything higher but I suspect its limited by the circuitry.
But generally charging at faster rates will shorten the life of the battery as it causes more heat and the battery can wear out faster, you should generally stick the the charging adapter provided with the device for best results.

I did it once. Is that bad?

Dankees said:
I did it once. Is that bad?
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Since the internal electricity limits the current, it doesn't do harm when the current exceeds the limit.

Dankees said:
I did it once. Is that bad?
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As long as the charger matches the tablet / phone voltage then it should be ok, so plugging in a 5V 3A charger won't hurt it in the short term.
Sometimes the cable matters too (depending on the charger), if the wall charger doesn't support fast charging natively (using internal shorted data pins), then the data pins in a usb cable might need to be shorted to tell the phone to charge using AC mode, this is known as a "charging cable" and will only work with that function (once modified you can't use it for data transfers), you can also purchase charging cables, Though nearly all modern wall chargers now short the pins for you so you don't need the special cable.
On Samsung devices you can see if its charging under AC or USB mode by going to Settings -> General -> Battery and see if it says Charging (AC) or Charging (USB).,
USB is limited to 500 mA , or perhaps 900 mA on usb 3.0 (might need kernel support, and usb 3.0), AC mode should draw as much power as the internal circuitry or the charger can allow .