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Cradle charger with AC adapter doesn't work

Hi,
Just purchased a cradle for the universal which has a USB and an AC adapter connection.
The USB works fine for charging the Universal.
The AC Adapter connection on the other hand doesn't charge the PDA at all.
I thought I remember reading something concerning a fix for this but can't seem to find the post for it.
Any body got the solution for it or do I have a faulty cradle?
Thanks.

I would change usb cable

modem_man said:
Hi,
Just purchased a cradle for the universal which has a USB and an AC adapter connection.
The USB works fine for charging the Universal.
The AC Adapter connection on the other hand doesn't charge the PDA at all.
I thought I remember reading something concerning a fix for this but can't seem to find the post for it.
Any body got the solution for it or do I have a faulty cradle?
Thanks.
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Did you ever find a solution to this?, I have the desktop charger jobby. The grey one that looks like a docking station. It has an ac adapter and a usb out on it .. but like you the charger doesn't seem to work.
p.s its the one with the stylus that stands up straight at the back.

Nope.....
Never found a solution for it.

Dam...
Does your original jasjar/xda exec charger work? mine doesn't.. only my 5v dc 550ma motorola charger works ... oh and the usb direct cable works..
Does you pda charge while sat in the cradle with just the usb attached?

Here's what I have working:
FYI, I have the Qtek 9000.
Original Power Charger - working
Aftermarket Car Adapter charger from Proclip - working
Aftermarket Desktop Charger (AC powered) - NOT working
Aftermarket Desktop USB plug - working
Aftermarket USB cables - working (at least the ones I've tried = 3)
Joe,
I remember reading that you should be careful of what you plug in to power up your HTC-Universal because the voltage needs to be regulated.
Also, don't even go buy those Alkaline battery powered travel charger - they don't work. I even tried with a 9V Altoid Tin Battery Charger (with the required 5V USB regulator) and it didn't work.
I just gave up and carry 2 batteries with me. Planning on getting a bigger battery later on.
Hope that helps.

modem_man said:
Here's what I have working:
FYI, I have the Qtek 9000.
Original Power Charger - working
Aftermarket Car Adapter charger from Proclip - working
Aftermarket Desktop Charger (AC powered) - NOT working
Aftermarket Desktop USB plug - working
Aftermarket USB cables - working (at least the ones I've tried = 3)
Joe,
I remember reading that you should be careful of what you plug in to power up your HTC-Universal because the voltage needs to be regulated.
Also, don't even go buy those Alkaline battery powered travel charger - they don't work. I even tried with a 9V Altoid Tin Battery Charger (with the required 5V USB regulator) and it didn't work.
I just gave up and carry 2 batteries with me. Planning on getting a bigger battery later on.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the reply,
Just checked on the web and the moto charger is regulated so it should be fine to use, I was thinking that my original charger may be buggered but because my new desktop charger doesn't work either I don't know what it could be. I'll need to try my cradle with just the usb attached tonight and see if it charges... if it does thats ok .. I can live with that.
My Cradle has a built in usb cable for the pc and a separate dc in socket for the wall adapter so unless it switches between the two i'm thinking that maybe the pins for charging are hardwired to the wall adapter and the data to the pc so it will only charge from the wall and not from the pc..
Maybe I shouldn't have bought such a cheap one

Joe,
I believe I might have the same cradle as you do.
I've open up the cradle to see how the connection is soldered and the points for the ground and powered seemed soldered into the USB port correctly.
I do remember reading something concerning the pins for the USB are wired differently (last 2 pins are shorted - on the Universal-wiki I think) for powered USB charge. Maybe that's why the cradle AC charger doesn't work while the USB cable works.
FYI, I've tried putting both the AC and the USB and you'll find that having the AC in is useless....you're just wasting electricity cos the PDA is still being charged by the cable (just turn off you PC and you'll find that the PDA is not charging).
Does your cradle have the annoying blue LED?
I think all aftermarket cradles are created equal = "CRAP"
If somebody out there have a cradle that have AC that works, please post where you bought it so that others will know which one to get.

modem_man said:
Joe,
I believe I might have the same cradle as you do.
I've open up the cradle to see how the connection is soldered and the points for the ground and powered seemed soldered into the USB port correctly.
I do remember reading something concerning the pins for the USB are wired differently (last 2 pins are shorted - on the Universal-wiki I think) for powered USB charge. Maybe that's why the cradle AC charger doesn't work while the USB cable works.
FYI, I've tried putting both the AC and the USB and you'll find that having the AC in is useless....you're just wasting electricity cos the PDA is still being charged by the cable (just turn off you PC and you'll find that the PDA is not charging).
Does your cradle have the annoying blue LED?
I think all aftermarket cradles are created equal = "CRAP"
If somebody out there have a cradle that have AC that works, please post where you bought it so that others will know which one to get.
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Sounds like I have the same cradle as you fella , I've tried the usb on its own and it seems to charge ok .. I tested it by putting a movie on and leaving it plugged in, started at 67% its now 77% so its charging through the usb.. dam it .. I could probably send the cradle back since I wanted it mainly for AC charging. Wish there was another one I could get that worked!

Thinking of getting this one instead:
http://www.addonsworld.co.uk/product.php/28408/0/
What dya think?

joe....
According to this guy on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1097137&posted=1#post1097137
his is working just fine.
If you can return it for another one, maybe you'll get one that's working properly.

i'm thinking maybe we have pda's from the same manufacture date.. and the hardware revisions are different and thats why our desktop chargers dont work, surely its not coincidence that both of ours dont work?
And if thats the case getting another of the same won't do much good.. theres just no way to be sure about any of this, think I may just send it back and try a different one entirely

Joe,
Good luck!

CDMA Touch Pro 2 - Charge from PC/Laptop?

Sorry if this is a duplicate thread, I searched quite a bit for a solution but only found stuff for the TP, not the TP2.
Ok, so I know with the original TP you could charge it from a computer, but it was not as fast as a wall charger unless you had the fix that allowed it to charger faster on the computer.
Well on my TP2, it really won't charge the phone, and if I am using something like wifi router that uses a lot of power, it will actually lose power while charging off my computer...
Is there a fix to bypass this so I can have my phone plugged into my computer and charge it???

make sure in your battery settings the box that says "when device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC" is unchecked. meaning an empty box. if its checked off, uncheck it. also, this might help, when plugged up to ur computer, cut ur backlight all the way down or low. the phone will use less battery that way and will charge faster when hooked up. either way though, charging thru a pc is trickle charging, meaning its gonna b slower than wall charger anyways. i havent came across the fix u mentioned for the TP.

trickle charging is when battery is fully charged and is still pluged on charger, then charging change to trickle power charge, around 20mA+actual request of the phone. this way if you have phone/any electronic in general on charger for a month, it's still kept fully charged.
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htc have two modes of charging slow 500mA and fast 1A (1000mA)
to say to the phone that charger is fast, you need to have one pin on mini-USB connected to ground. this pin is unused by mini-usb specifications but htc is using it for this trigger.
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cut open mini usb connector on usb to mini usb cable and wire the unused PIN to power ground (get pinouts pics or use multimeter!!!!! don't guess try it)
then you still facing another problem, USB is strictly specified to not exceed 500mA (with 10% toleration) no trick to get more then this from one usb. some computers are not so precise with rules though and could give slightly over 550mA
to get 1A you need to use two usb ports in parallel. like some china made usb harddrives enclosures
get an additional USB connector and add it to your cable.
NOTE: DON'T CONNECT DATA LINES ON THIS SECOND CONNECTOR!!!!!
data = inner 2 pins
power = outer 2 pins
* you can get an USB extension cable, wire 2 power lines out of it, connect to your usb - miniusb cable... this way you still can use the other usb for other device
NOTE: this is not a standard though accepted solution. I haven't saw or heard of any burned computers cos of this but wouldn't be surprised to see one.
anyway if I had that need, I would go for it
when making this cable, be very sure 5v wire is not touching data lines!!! Test it properly before plugging to PC! I have brand new laptop now, the old one is lying with DEAD usb host below table just because I believed there have to be protection against this. There IS NOT.
NOTE: NEVER LAUGH ON MY PAINTINGS!!

Or you can buy one for $4
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Othe...medium=shoppingengine&utm_campaign=googlebase

actually NOT.
without grounding the special pin on mini USB side of the cable, mobile would charge by 500mA no matter if you put 100A charger in. or paralleling 20 USBs

Wow...I'm pretty tech savy but that was a bit confusing...so I get the gist of that, but how is it that all it takes is plugging the usb chord into the htc ac power supply will fix that? why isn't it required for all that jazz of rewiring crap on the ac adapter as well, since it comes from the same usb chord...?

eh, have mercy with that english slang we are mostly not englishers here
What you meant was, why htc AC (wall) charger charges on hi power without those tricks?
Because the connection is already made there.
That's not a hidden trick anyway. Not even trick. It's a standart feature.
HTC is, not like other manufacturers, sticking to specs and mobile would not demand more then 500mA from standart usb connection.
usb is defined to be max 500mA
if you want a connector which is based on standart (htc's usb-hub can use usb cables), and you want a fast charging without violating standarts than this was the best resolution, to use pin which is generaly unused to trigger-detect 1A charger.
But as htc didn't made computer fast-charge cables. A serious company will not release such a cable. Connecting power from two usb hosts together - I feel pain by doing it, but it proved computer stabilizators don't mind it and though I don't think it's giving really double, it's giving more then 500mA.
But here you have to "imitate" original htc AC charger by shortwiring that trigger pin the way as it is there.
hope this was your question about.
Just final note in red when making this cable, be very sure 5v wire is not touching data lines!!! Test it properly before plugging to PC! I have brand new laptop now, the old one is lying with DEAD usb host below table just because I believed there have to be protection against this. There IS NOT.

Quick Charging USB Adapter... Any thoughts?

I am considering buying this usb charging adapter cable to help speed up my charging rate at work where I don't have an AC adapter and my work computer's usb ports are conveniently placed. From what I have read, normal usb charging maxes out at 500ma, but can be increased if your usb port has more juice if you short the data wires, which will tell the phone to grab more power because it thinks it is plugged into an AC adapter.
I have found this adapter http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-data-charging-extension-cable-for-samsung-p1000-black-91141
it is meant for a galaxy tab, but From what I see is that it has a switch that either allows data / slow charge or allows quick charging. I have purchased a few of these already because I'm assuming it will still work with my galaxy s2.
I'll let everyone know how it goes, but does anybody see a problem with this or think I'm going to fry my phone for any reason?
Thanks.

very interesting, heck it's only $3 bucks, might as well just buy it and find out
yes, charging via USB port sucks, it's too slow at 500 mAh
if that does the magic trick, by shorting it and making it believe it's an AC then it'll be nice, and it can pull around 1000 mAh off the USB port (depending on your computer mainboard)

Id be curious to see if this actually works but i see no fault in trying it

cbutters said:
I am considering buying this usb charging adapter cable to help speed up my charging rate at work where I don't have an AC adapter and my work computer's usb ports are conveniently placed. From what I have read, normal usb charging maxes out at 500ma, but can be increased if your usb port has more juice if you short the data wires, which will tell the phone to grab more power because it thinks it is plugged into an AC adapter.
I have found this adapter http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-data-charging-extension-cable-for-samsung-p1000-black-91141
it is meant for a galaxy tab, but From what I see is that it has a switch that either allows data / slow charge or allows quick charging. I have purchased a few of these already because I'm assuming it will still work with my galaxy s2.
I'll let everyone know how it goes, but does anybody see a problem with this or think I'm going to fry my phone for any reason?
Thanks.
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Only the Galaxy Tablets have this limitation (they cannot be charged at all via computer usb only via their "special" wall adapter) so the adapter won't do anything for a phone. The adapter works on the tablet because what the adapter is doing is shorting 2 pins on the USB cable to fool the TABLET into thinking it is on the AC adapter "specially made" for it.
As long as you plug the phone it into a self-powered usb port (ie: a hub with a power brick) you will get max current the phone allows. The adapter will make no difference on the phone because the phone CAN charge off the PC port while the tablet cannot. It won't hurt the phone but it won't help it either.

MisterEdF said:
The adapter will make no difference on the phone because the phone CAN charge off the PC port while the tablet cannot. It won't hurt the phone but it won't help it either.
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Thanks for the info on the galaxy tab, however I disagree with you in your opinion that an adapter that shorts the data wires will not help the phone to charge quicker.
It seems either the devices or android system itself limits charging to 500ma so it does not damage the computer, the phone itself knows that it is connected via usb, and will state "Charging: USB Plugged"
If you let the phone think it is connected to an AC adapter, it will allow the battery to accept whatever amperage you throw at it, and you will see that the system states "Charging: AC Plugged"
Obviously there are two modes of charging going on here.
See this thread:
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844284

Has anyone tried this yet?

I have found that using the Galaxy Tab chargers works the same way. They have a 2amp output vs the .5 amps that most blackberry chargers and USB use... It shortens the charge time significantly.
TMO SGS2, Darkside 3v8, Kernel Venom 3#5, UVLC8

Charger considerations
Hi,
I need advise for the following:
Charger A (Li-polymer battery) output : 5V, 1A
Charger B (Li-polymer battery) output : 5V, 500mA
Device input: 5V, 750mAH (Li-ion / Li-polymer)
When using Charger A, some people comment that it will limit the current of 750mAH for the device and the device's battery should be fine since both the charger and device are at 5V. However, some people comment that this will shorten the battery life of the device since it will perform a 'quick charge' using 1A.
When using Charger B, some people comment that the device will draw more current than it can deliver and causes it to heat up and reduces the charger's life. However, some people comment that Charger B will extend the battery life of the device since it performs a 'slow charge'.
I also read that USB pins on the charger denotes if the charger is a PC or a dedicated charger. If it is a PC, the device will limit the drawing current. If it is a dedicated charger, the device will draw more current to charge itself.
I am confused as to who is right and which charger should i be using.
Can someone enlighten me ?
Thank you very much.

What USB cable to charge GN?

Guys, I have my normal charger at home which works fine. Here at work I have a fairly new (but cheap) USB cable. At work the charge never goes up, it stays at the same percentage all day. It charged my Optimus 3D fine.
If I swap it for a colleagues USB cable (came with his Windows Phone) it charges fine (same USB port or USB ac adapter).
Is there a certain type of Micro USB cable I should be looking for that's not stupidly priced? (in the UK)

Coming from an Iphone I didn't have any spare micro USB cables so I went to a computer store and bought 3 store brand (cheap) microUSB cables and they all work fine.
The only thing to take note of is some wall charges are seen by the phone as "USB" and not "AC Charger" and thus will only pull in 500mah which is pretty slow. If you install battery monitor widget by 3C it will tell you the amperage coming in and if the phone sees your connection as USB or AC.
I discovered my 1amp apple USB brick does not charge higher than 500mah only my samsung one does that came with the phone.

sluflyer06 said:
Coming from an Iphone I didn't have any spare micro USB cables so I went to a computer store and bought 3 store brand (cheap) microUSB cables and they all work fine.
The only thing to take note of is some wall charges are seen by the phone as "USB" and not "AC Charger" and thus will only pull in 500mah which is pretty slow. If you install battery monitor widget by 3C it will tell you the amperage coming in and if the phone sees your connection as USB or AC.
I discovered my 1amp apple USB brick does not charge higher than 500mah only my samsung one does that came with the phone.
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yeah, but if I use the same USB port or the same AC plug I don't understand why 1 cable will charge fine, the other gives just enough to keep it at the same percentage all day?

Automobile Quick Charging Solution

What is the best solution for quick charging the Galaxy Nexus in an automobile?

I have started to use 12-220 volt converter so I can use wall chargers.

I have bought a few of the low profile car usb chargers but they were never recognized as an AC charge. Come to find out, it was the USB cable. I bought a usb charging cable from Amazon last week and it goes in the USB charger and the phone does not think it is a USB charge. I have not timed it but it is recognized the same as the wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY

ellisz said:
I have bought a few of the low profile car usb chargers but they were never recognized as an AC charge. Come to find out, it was the USB cable. I bought a usb charging cable from Amazon last week and it goes in the USB charger and the phone does not think it is a USB charge. I have not timed it but it is recognized the same as the wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY
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+1 .. this solution has been working great for me, as well.

I've been getting 2.1A car chargers (look for ones for the iPad), most of the ones I had prior to this were 700mA or so and they can't keep up with my 1A phones. Be careful of dual port chargers advertising 2A, they may only be 1A each and may be "optimistic" about that rating. And don't worry about getting one rated for too much current, the Galaxy Nexus won't pull more than an amp no matter what the charger rating.

Some really good solutions here and thank you all for the help.
I'd really hate to use an inventer in my car just to maintain a clean install, so that really isnt an option for me.
Was really hoping to be able to use a off the shelf car charger with the correct pins to trick the GNexus into thinking that it was charging from a USB port, but the above solution should work well with using a socket USB charger.

I've never run into a car adapter that looks like a USB port, including the VZW charger with a spare port or the cheap 2.1A chargers I got from Amazon. My guess is that a charger not built correctly and leaving the data pins open only supports ~500mA anyway. Even if that's not the case I have a moral objection toward buying a cable to fix a design flaw in another cheap product - but that's just me

Grant H said:
Some really good solutions here and thank you all for the help.
I'd really hate to use an inventer in my car just to maintain a clean install, so that really isnt an option for me.
Was really hoping to be able to use a off the shelf car charger with the correct pins to trick the GNexus into thinking that it was charging from a USB port, but the above solution should work well with using a socket USB charger.
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I've got a charger similar to http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-Car-...ccessories&hash=item4ab18358f4#ht_1638wt_1392
All I had to do was undo the screws at the top, put a bit of solder between the middle usb pins, and my phone recognises it as a AC source rather than USB.

There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA

Grant H said:
What is the best solution for quick charging the Galaxy Nexus in an automobile?
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Make sure the charger has the IC (rapid) chip. I use this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Vehicle-Adapter-micro-USB-Charger/dp/B000S5Q9CA

I've heard that Motorola one mentioned a lot as a good one.
The nice thing about having the low-profile usb plug is (a) it is low profile, (b) I can use it to charge other devices. The charge-only cable is only about $4, so I had no issues buying it to work with this to charge as an AC charge over a USB charge.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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I have this one and it charges just like it does from the home outlet and its says "AC" charging. I bought another 8 for family and friends and they all love it.

I think I've figured out the disconnect, I've run into chargers that appear as a USB host which limits the charging to 500mA on previous phones I've had.
You guys are concerned about USB vs. AC charging mode. Of the chargers I've got, this one lists as AC while the rest as USB. However, the fact that the other chargers all work just fine keeping up with GPS+streaming music indicates that the USB vs. AC really has no bearing on the charge current delivered. I'd stay away from charge-only cables just because they'll get mixed in with your standard USB cables and you'll knock yourself out wondering why they don't work. On the other hand, if you really want AC in your battery info order the one I linked.

I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

TheKaz said:
I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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What's much more important is the rating on the power source. The GN can pull up to 1000mA, if your charger is only rated for 800mA (like many car chargers) it doesn't matter if it's in AC mode.

jdbower said:
What's much more important is the rating on the power source. The GN can pull up to 1000mA, if your charger is only rated for 800mA (like many car chargers) it doesn't matter if it's in AC mode.
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makes sense.. the one I use has dual usb (1.0 and 2.1)

You went and gave me a project for the weekend, and once again science prevails over anecdotal evidence. I took each of my 5 chargers and hooked them up to a 12V power supply that measures current. I then recorded whether the charger reported AC or USB, for the ones with USB I modified a right-angle adapter to short out the data pins, and I measured the current. The contenders:
Verizon Wireless Dual Charger
XTG Dual Port Charger
Griffen Powerjolt Dual USB Charger
Griffen Portjolt Micro
CostMad Dual USB Charger
The VZW model was USB out the external port as I had tested before, however AC out the built-in cable which I hadn't bothered to test. It pulled 0.25A @12V via the USB port and 0.59A via the cable. Hmmm... A hole develops in my previous observation. While I had used this on a long car trip with no issues, it was via the built-in cable.
The XTG was new, I hadn't used it before as it's in the car I rarely drive. It reported USB and 0.22A. With the adapter to make it report AC it pulled 0.48A.
The pattern was set. I had expected the Griffen adapters to be built more appropriately but the dual charger reported 0.22A without the adapter and 0.42A with. I had used this without losing charge in the past so this was surprising to me, but it's possible I just wasn't drawing as much current because the screen was dimmer or something.
The compact Griffen adapter (which is great for a laptop bag, BTW) pulled 0.21A and 0.47A respectively.
The cheap CostMad adapter was the only one that performed well out of the box, both reporting AC and pulled 0.57A.
In theory, a perfect adapter should pull 0.42A. Anything more is waste, anything less means it's not keeping up. I have doubts about the Griffen 2x allowing for a full amp, but the VZW and CostMad chargers are pretty lossy. What's even worse is that I'm pretty sure the VZW charger is rated for 800mA (but I can't find an actual spec on it) which would mean that it pulled the most power for the least current. Not that this really matters unless you've got an electric car.
Sorry for misleading you earlier, I should have checked the other port of the known-good VZW charger and probably doublechecked the numbers on my other "known good" charger. Still hating cables that work for charging but not for data, I ended up modifying each of the chargers to short the middle pins (except for the VZW one). If I didn't have the soldering iron for this, I probably would have gone for some of these instead.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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CyberPunk7t9 said:
Make sure the charger has the IC (rapid) chip. I use this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Vehicle-Adapter-micro-USB-Charger/dp/B000S5Q9CA
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I'm using the same one and it works perfect. Charges even when GPS navigation is running.
Make sure you select Amazon as the seller though. I heard there are a lot of fake ones.

Grant H said:
There has got to be a standard car charger on the market with the middle usb pins already soldiered!
I found this on Amazon which advertises itself as a rapid charging device.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA
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+1 to those recommending this one. I have this exact model and it does indeed charge at the "AC" rate, about twice as fast as the "USB" rate.

TheKaz said:
I keep it in my car... i think I've heard on other threads that USB charging doesn't keep up with GPS (for Directions). Any verify?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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The Motorola one will charge even when using GPS. I have a friend I bought one for that uses his GPS all day and loves the Motorola charger.