Just a thought, even if they are pretty similar devices, shouldn't there be a defy+ forum?
Thing is, the forum feels a little messy with both phones in it.
I think it will be useful too
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Lol its the same phone
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Deformat said:
Just a thought, even if they are pretty similar devices, shouldn't there be a defy+ forum?
Thing is, the forum feels a little messy with both phones in it.
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the only difference is that the defy+ roms dont include the module for the soc module (which most of the defys have). other than that, they are similar devices. i dont see why we should create a new forum, that would be a lot more messy.
At this time the Defy and Defy+ are very similar, so we don't need a Defy+ forum. But Google said that ALL devices running on 2.3 Gingerbread WILL GET ICE CREAM SANDWICH!
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/google-confirms-nexus-s-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich-for-real/
The Defy+ have 2.3 and born with it! So, the Defy+ will get Ice cream Sandwich, and when the Defy+ will run on ICS, at this time we will need a Defy+ forum! Because we can't have a same forum for two devices with one on 2.2 and other on 4.0...
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Motorola, unlock OUR bootloaders
I think we at least need a subforum.
Now its not very clear what roms are compatible with the Defy +
We've litterally got the same phones a part from different lenses and a stock overclock so i consider the Defy+ as a Defy, and commercially, as an opportunity for Motorola to take the p*ss xD
(Maybe a subforum...maybe..^^)
Wait ICS on Defy+ for a Defy+ forum
Raphael, you didn't read correctly : MOST, not ALL 2.3 devices will get ICS.
As for the subforum idea I'm all for it.
Yes but:
Some devices born in 2.2 and update on 2.3 will get ICS
The Defy+ have 2.3 and is BORN in 2.3
A device have minimum one update, Motorola give always one update + Motorola is Google now
= Defy+ will have ICS!
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Yes but:
Some devices born in 2.2 and update on 2.3 will get ICS
The Defy+ have 2.3 and is BORN in 2.3
A device have minimum one update, Motorola give always one update + Motorola is Google now
= Defy+ will have ICS!
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There is no minimum # of updates on a device. Sadly, there are several current 2.3 devices that look fairly unlikely to get ICS.
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Are there any info on a possible launch of the official Gingerbread update for the Defy (not counting the leaked beta)?
Maybe it will be released on Q3 ( by the end of september ).
There's not an official news yet.
I can confirm the previous gb leaks are for a newer model soon to be released. The only changes are the color, battery and 1ghz CPU.
It's unclear whether or not our old model will get the same update.
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I can confirm the previous gb leaks are for a newer model soon to be released. The only changes are the color, battery and 1ghz CPU.
It's unclear whether or not our old model will get the same update.
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In fact. If you flash the latest leaked GB firmware, you'll see that it shows "MB526" as model number. Maybe it's not a big change (I mean, Droid was A853, and Droid 2 is A955 - that's a huge variation, comparing to MB525 vs MB526), but it's probably a different piece of hardware that the ones we have now.
OR, it could be that they're relabeling the current Defy (red lens) to MB526 to officialize its difference from the old Defy (green lens). But that's just a far guess, based only in what I think.
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In fact. If you flash the latest leaked GB firmware, you'll see that it shows "MB526" as model number. Maybe it's not a big change (I mean, Droid was A853, and Droid 2 is A955 - that's a huge variation, comparing to MB525 vs MB526), but it's probably a different piece of hardware that the ones we have now.
OR, it could be that they're relabeling the current Defy (red lens) to MB526 to officialize its difference from the old Defy (green lens). But that's just a far guess, based only in what I think.
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Or.. it may be a big change!
everyone knows Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) isn't it? It has a 1Ghz Processor..
But Samsung released the Samsung Galaxy S Plus (I9001) which has a 1.4GHZ Processor!!
So there might a a great improvement in the new Model, Maybe better screen, etc
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Or.. it may be a big change!
everyone knows Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) isn't it? It has a 1Ghz Processor..
But Samsung released the Samsung Galaxy S Plus (I9001) which has a 1.4GHZ Processor!!
So there might a a great improvement in the new Model, Maybe better screen, etc
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No, it's not the case here. I do have the specs and pics of the new piece. It's intended as a silent (and low cost) replacement of the old MB525.
1GHz OMAP"3620", silver, ~1700mAh and that's about it.
may i ask where yoh got the specs?
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1GHz OMAP"3620", silver, ~1700mAh and that's about it.
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Huh, silver?!
WISH RED GUYS GET OFFICIAL 2.3 GINGER
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WISH RED GUYS GET OFFICIAL 2.3 GINGER
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So maybe we won't get it at all? Seems strange to only offer the Gingerbread update to those who buy a possible brand new version of the Defy.
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No, it's not the case here. I do have the specs and pics of the new piece. It's intended as a silent (and low cost) replacement of the old MB525.
1GHz OMAP"3620", silver, ~1700mAh and that's about it.
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Wow you got the Pics!? :O can you PM me them? XD
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No, it's not the case here. I do have the specs and pics of the new piece. It's intended as a silent (and low cost) replacement of the old MB525.
1GHz OMAP"3620", silver, ~1700mAh and that's about it.
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it seems that this will be more downgrade then upgrade from current Defy.
3620vs 3630..
It will be released this week.........in a parallel universe
i think, we will never get gb for defy( at least from carriers), and we do not need it because we have MIUI and CM7 wich are gingerbread 2.3.4.
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it seems that this will be more downgrade then upgrade from current Defy.
3620vs 3630..
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Show me one official document that shows Defy is marketed as 3630.
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When you connected to rsd lite in bootloader mode it will detect the cpu signature....and for defy its omap 3630
also there is a link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917000
from where did you get the pics and specs? can you post the pics? and i dont think theres gonna be an update exclusively for red lensed defy. and it would be stupid to come out with a new defy just for gb with higher cpu speed (our omap 3630 can handle 1.2ghz at default...)
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Well since you can't prove your words, racca, can you hint at least date when new Defy will be shown?
People stop asking for pictures as you won't get any at the moment. No one is stupid to make them public for obvious reasons (nondisclosure agreements). For sure there will be a new Defy launched by Moto in the future. As for the Gingerbread official update I don't think we will ever see it for Defy. In addition please take a look at the sloppy and slow Froyo upgrade process.
we may just be lucky if the bootloader will be unlocked on the new defy, maybe it will be compatible with our hardware (and it should be )
why are you so sure there wont be a gb update, there are leaked versions!
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hey guys any news about official 2.3 coming on defy ???
thanx in advanced
i dont think they will release an official 2.3 to defy...defy+ will be launched very soon...which comes with GB..
AFAIK they are busy with the 2.3 Defy-upgrade, so it may come.
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AFAIK they are busy with the 2.3 Defy-upgrade, so it may come.
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where did u get that news ? ofcourse its on air news flying here and there that gingerbread update is on d way . bt no concrete news regarding it . so asking in a way is there any proof regarding that ?
The presently available gingerbread updates(leaked) are for defy plus..
If they were going to offer an official update for defy it would have supported GREEN LENS cameras as well because they can't just abandon green lens defy.
Since green lens is not supported it looks like official 2.3 will be made available only for defy plus.
Short answer: Never
But i think on red lens devices, the defy+ rom will work smoothly
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Short answer: Never
But i think on red lens devices, the defy+ rom will work smoothly
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ah !! too pessimistic... atleast have some hope !! better than having nothing in your hand ... and to be frank . if GB update rumor wasnt around on air . we wd have never got the GB leaks so who knows the green lens owners might be lucky enough
Motorola said it on official forum,there isn't any plan to update the Defy beyond FroYo.
Install Motoginger and be happy.
Install Motoginger and be happy.
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Motorola said it on official forum,there isn't any plan to update the Defy beyond FroYo.
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Well, HTC said some crap like that about the Desire not getting 2.3 - they changed their mind a little bit later.
I'll wait until it appears here what will happen to the Defy regarding the elusive Gingerbread update.
i hope that`s true...i`m using custom roms now but will be nice to have official ginger on defy...maybe the devs will make wonders from it
Who cares if bootloader gets hacked and CM7.1 is there.
I care, because the Defy with green lens will be fully supported. Nevertheless, CM7 is a great option too.
I want to buy a defy but after the green /red lens situation.i am not sure about the future of green lens defy ? i don't want Good camera or 720p recording but will developers make further roms for defy as defy+ has been launched ?. I think that developers will make future rom's by taking defy+ in mind which have red lens.so chances are that further roms will get less and less comaptible with defy with green lens.Can developers give any detail on this that the defy+ will make no effect on the green len's defy owners and they will get developers always best services even in the future? So that i will have no problem in getting wonderful defy even with green lens or whatever
Buy defy+ instead...
I think new Defys come with Bayer modules so ur good to go...
Fortunate to own a Red Lens Defy...
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old
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one more question i have heard bayer defy were mde between feb to july...so if i am fortunate to get a red lens defy now it will be 8 months old ...so should i buy a red lens defy which was manufactured 8 months before or a green lens defy which is made recently like 1 month old
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I guess green lens is the old one and red one is new...
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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i dont think you can buy a new red lensed one, only with green lens (the ones with red lens are called defy+ now, thats the whole point, thats why they dont sell red lensed defys anymore).
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
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Some latest Defys have red lenses, but they're rare, and i guess no longer in production seen as Defy+ came out
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BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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I second this..get a Nexus instead. Just before you start building castles in the air by hoping for regular software updates from Motorola, just go visit their official support forum. There they have declared that there won't be any further software updates for the Defy and thats not just because of the green lens/SOC module issue but also because with GB Defy will come in direct competition with the Defy+. This is one of the many of Motorola's sleazy sales policies and they just don't give a rats ass about existing customers, period. You will be surprised how many petition posts are there on that forum from customers pleading for software updates. They just ignore those posts. And if you are thinking that perhaps getting a Defy+ instead of a Defy will mark the beginning of a beautiful friendship with the company, you are mistaken there too. Same thing will happen to the Defy+ with the release of Defy++ or Defy# or whatever.
I'll admit that the Defy is a good phone in terms of flexibility like rooting etc. because of its 'unbrickableness' due to the locked bootloader, but in terms of official updates its a nightmare. If your decision to go for the Defy was due to its ruggedness features then you could also consider the Xperia Active.
there are some options better than the defy... like nexus S
but the green leans (soc module) is the old module, new defys are coming with red lens (bayer module)..
Want thsese features only.....
i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
The cyanogen team will be rolling updates for both soc/bayer
Defy. So keeping it updated shouldn't be a problem.
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i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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you will care about updates when everyone around you will use ICS (android 4.0), and youre still on 2.1. nexus s already has official ICS, defy will never have it (and defy+ wont either afaik). nexus s has better cpu and much better gpu, so you wont have any lag, thats for sure. you wont see the difference between the two displays (the defy has a slightly higher resolution screen, but thats not that big of a difference), and the nexus has bigger sceen. internet works like magic on both phones. and one more thing: the nexus s has a built in nfc chip, the defy doesnt. cheers!
Motorola defy earpiece problem fixed or not!!!!
Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?
Disable motorola defy capactive buttons vibration android froyo....
Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?i have unchecked the heptic feedback but problem still lives. I am using android 2.2.2 .Plz provide some suggestions as the vibration is very annoying
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i dont care about updates i will b happy with eclair or custom roms.i want following features on defy:
1.great touch sensitivity no lag
2.great resoluion.i must be happy looking at a great looking display screen
3.internet shoud work like magic no lag
if only these features are there i will not care about updates. Plz tell me does defy runs great on my above features?
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I have a green lens Defy so let me help answer ur question.
1. Yes no lag, on CM7 and GO launcher
2. Yes awesome resolution for its size, I havent a problem with it.
3. Internet works fine, 3G/HSDPA is fast, wifi not a problem...though some on nightlys wifi can be a problem. <---need some tweaking
So all in all, yes Defy is a great phone for your requirement with an added bonus of being more robust than others.
Though your requirements fits many other phones out there
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Does the earpiece problem still exists in motorola defy or it has been fixed ?
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It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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Hi, can anybody tell me how to disable the capacitive buttons vibration on motorola defy?
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https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cynyx.vibrafix works for me.
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It still exists on the majority of Defys :/
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Not according to Motorola. The official advice on the Motorola support forum for the Defy is as follows:
If you remove the battery you should see a label inside the battery compartment with a bar code and the words "Made in China". If the characters above "Made in China" include "BTxx" or "BFxx" then the phone should not be at risk of suffering the earpiece problem. Alternatively, if there is a blue dot on the label then the phone should also not be at risk.
So if your phone has "BTxx" or "BFxx", or a blue dot, then it doesn't have the fault. Bear in mind that there can be other reasons for the earpiece to fail, over and above the known fault which Motorola have acknowleged, so even a phone not in the "at risk" batch can still go wrong for other reasons eg mistreatment, or a one-off manufacturing error. Conversely, if your phone is in one of the suspect batches then it's not necessarily bound to break: my phone does not have any of the reassuring markings but the earpiece has been fine so far, touch wood.
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BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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well its not true that Nexus is around the same price as Defy+ ... f.e. amazon.de Nexus S - 296,66 EUR, Defy 228,90 EUR, Defy+ 237,89 EUR. If you want simmilar to Nexus S price, I would prefer SE Arc S. But diff between Defy+ and normal is too small, that I suggest to buy the newer stuff. And support is in the future - as Google said, that all devices with stock Gingerbread should get ICS too. We will see.
untill now i still can decide my defy got green or red lens even after read a thread about it
any other step that can i try?
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defy+ roms are defy roms with excluded soc modules. so theyre not that different. and cyanogenmod (imho the absolutely best rom available) supports defy (but not the defy+). so you should be fine buying a defy, i have one, had no problems with it so far (we will definitely get ics with cm9). and from what ive heard/read, the defy+ wont even get official ics, so youre screwed with stock roms either way. get the defy, its significantly cheaper!
BUT if defy is not good enough, consider nexus s, its around the same price as the defy+, and: bigger screen, better gpu, greater dev community, widely supported, and cmon, its a GOOGLE phone, not a crappy motorola -.-
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From Nexus to DEFY - I think DEFY can be defined as a phone against NEXUS
Motorola Have published update info ics.
Here is the defy part.
DEFY MB525 (Europe & MEA)
Will remain on Android 2.2.
DEFY+ MB526
Will remain on Android 2.3.
DEFY MINI
Will remain on Android 2.3.
So its all down to the Cyan guys.
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
Sucks!!
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No problem. As long as they just unlock the bootloader, as intended in Q4 2011, it's okay.
One word... Rage.
Why Pro+ is getting ICS with almost the same processor!!??
headhod said:
One word... Rage.
Why Pro+ is getting ICS with almost the same processor!!??
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my UK Atrix isn't even getting it and has a dual core.
They should unlock boot loaders and give out all the lib and binary files for non supported devices.
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yes but something tells me that they dont give a s** about us
I don't get why the defy mini has gb and the defy doesn't.
The defy mini has a 600mhz CPU
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Where's the rule about following updates untill 18months after the phone is released?!
As far as i know, defy+ is younger than 18months and defy mini is only 2/3 months old! :O
Motorola really are assholes
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Where's the rule about following updates untill 18months after the phone is released?!
As far as i know, defy+ is younger than 18months and defy mini is only 2/3 months old! :O
Motorola really are assholes
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Yer mobile alliance or something. Motorola was a founding member.
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headhod said:
One word... Rage.
Why Pro+ is getting ICS with almost the same processor!!??
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Pro+ : MSM CPU
Pro : OMAP3630
What? Were you actually still hoping? I guess hope does die last...
I think I'll start searching for a second hand Desire Z...
Good bye Motorola!
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What? Were you actually still hoping? I guess hope does die last...
I think I'll start searching for a second hand Desire Z...
Good bye Motorola!
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Desire z with the g2 rom (asop) would be a great phone. Not a fan of sense.
All hope has gone that was the last nail on the coffin. I will always use cyan but would be nice for updated libs and bits.
Think now my defy and atrix arnt getting updates and never have. I wont be buying Motorola again. Love the hardware but blur sucks aand no updates is a real deal breaker.
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Stupid
Just when we tought Moto's buy by Google will change smth. Maybe it's to early for that.
Regarding the update i think there are some minimal requirements for Android 4.0. And they give you the same bull**** Samsung and HTC gave. The hw does not support Android 4.0, the hardware does not support Android 4.0 with our interface.
But this doesn't make sense. Acording to their update schedule they release ICS for similar devices just because they are new. For example the original Atrix gets nothing inspite it's dual core, 1 GB RAM.
The human thing to do is open the bootloader. But that's not going to happen is it?
So goodbye Moto, welcome back HTC for me... I wll keep the defy because it' such a nice phone. Still the RAZR MAXX is great, i love the battery. Hope it doesn't even come to Europe so i won't regret not buying it.
motorolaaaaaaagh
This means not only Defy+ wont have ICS, but also not a single OS update for Defy+.... I'm really disappointed, Motorola...
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This means not only Defy+ wont have ICS, but also not a single OS update for Defy+.... I'm really disappointed, Motorola...
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Its like they don`t want repeat customers.
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For example the original Atrix gets nothing inspite it's dual core, 1 GB RAM.
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for atrix it says right there: ICS Upgrade in planning. Further details to follow.
from this i understand that atrix will get ics later on.
the only thing we can do now is support for unlocked bootloader petition...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426512&highlight=petition
that way we can help devs
Atleast defy+ guys can put Motorola in Mess by applying consumer courts because of there 18 months update policy.... But no hopes for Defy .....
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for atrix it says right there: ICS Upgrade in planning. Further details to follow.
from this i understand that atrix will get ics later on.
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from this I understand that they will leave it long enough for people to forget about getting a update.
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Perhaps they will update the droid 2/ milestone 2, so we can have updated libs and so
http://blog.gsmarena.com/motorola-cliq-2-finally-gets-android-2-3-gingerbread-update/
Motorola has finally released Android 2.3 Gingerbread update for its year and a half old Cliq 2 smartphone.
Will the Defy get such great surprise?
The cliq 2 has similar hardware of Defy, but with a qwerty keyboard in addition....
https://rsddownload.motorola.com/download/MotorolaVersion.2.0.87.MB611.T-Mobile.en.US.pdf
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTMzNjM4OTcxMC9zaWQvSXlFa052WGs=
T Mobile has just paused Defy Upgrade upto 2.2.1 .... Hence do we see them updating to Ginger Bread 2.3 ? Hope for the best !
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Hope for the best ! Expect the worst!
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FTFY!
This was probably an error or something, it's not Motorola's style.
No I confirmed this on motorola website:
http://www.motorola.com/mycliq2
No, no, I didn't say that you were wrong, I've read the news too. But the fact that Motorola is offering an update to an older phone... Seems almost like an error from them .