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Browsing trough the WP7 ROM dump, I came across this folder:
Code:
Phone_DPI_262
This seems to be a new resolution, because Windows mobile always supported DPI 192, 120 and 96.
Maybe this means a higher resolution for the coming Windows Phones.
Just a thought. Let me know what you think about it.
[ElCondor] said:
Browsing trough the WP7 ROM dump, I came across this folder:
Code:
Phone_DPI_262
This seems to be a new resolution, because Windows mobile always supported DPI 192, 120 and 96.
Maybe this means a higher resolution for the coming Windows Phones.
Just a thought. Let me know what you think about it.
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Maybe 800x800 or something. Sounds like an ugly squared tablet.
TheDeadCpu said:
Maybe 800x800 or something. Sounds like an ugly squared tablet.
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How do you know it's 800X800? I was more thinking about 1280X800.
Probably, but come to think of it.. Theres something called XGA and thats 1024×768.
To keep the widescreen ratio with 800x480 they would need something like 1200x720. Of course they are going to have other aspect ratios so I don't know.
This is a nice graphic that shows all resolutions...
I think WXGA would be the one that comes very close as it is 5:3 resolution just like WVGA.
262 DPI was actually mentioned by MS at MIX when they were talking about WVGA. I personally completely fail to understand what it means - it's supposed to be dots per inch, right? So without the size of the screen DPI is what exactly?
Well the screens won't get much bigger than the HD2 I think, expect if they're going to make tablets.
The problem is, the bigger the screen the lower DPI you should get at the same resolution. However, all VGA and WVGA devices previously had 192DPI in WM, regardless of screen size. So I guess it's a different thing here. What exactly it is I don't know.
vangrieg said:
The problem is, the bigger the screen the lower DPI you should get at the same resolution. However, all VGA and WVGA devices previously had 192DPI in WM, regardless of screen size. So I guess it's a different thing here. What exactly it is I don't know.
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That's true. I guess it doesn't tell us much, but at least it's bigger so either the screen size, or the screen resolution will probably be bigger.
WinMo 6.x supported 4 Logical DPIs (note that logical DPI is different from physical DPI, which is the bit that varies with each LCD panel/resolution)
96, 128, 131, 192
Note that a 5 inch panel might be operating at the same logical DPI as a 4 inch panel (lets say 192), but the physical DPI would be less on the 5 inch panel (larger physical pixel size)
If you were to change the logical DPI on a 4 inch screen from 192 to 262, while leaving the physical DPI the same (screen size/resolution does not change) - all on-screen elements would appear larger - more pixels would be used to draw each icon, scrollbar, etc.
Windows Phone 7 is showing 4 logical DPI's right now too:
96, 131, 192, 262
Just that we've lost 128 and picked up 262
Okay. But does that mean higher resolutions? Do you know if there will be higher resolutions?
The design of WinPhone 7 pretty much allows an arbitrary resolution, it's designed to be fully scalable. 1920x1280 @ 262 DPI @ 4 inches would make one ridiculous high res screen
As for what's in store, I wouldn't be surprised to see a large-format screen device like a tablet in the months following WP7's release.. but I don't have any specific knowledge of one yet.
Da_G said:
The design of WinPhone 7 pretty much allows an arbitrary resolution, it's designed to be fully scalable. 1920x1280 @ 262 DPI @ 4 inches would make one ridiculous high res screen
As for what's in store, I wouldn't be surprised to see a large-format screen device like a tablet in the months following WP7's release.. but I don't have any specific knowledge of one yet.
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Okay, yeah that would be indeed an amazing screen resolution for such a small screen!
A tablet would be very cool, I wonder if that's what HTC is working on.
Da_G said:
As for what's in store, I wouldn't be surprised to see a large-format screen device like a tablet in the months following WP7's release.. but I don't have any specific knowledge of one yet.
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But you do have general knowledge of one
RustyGrom said:
But you do have general knowledge of one
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Hehe nice one there. I'd like to know that too.
Maybe they need it for fully working HDTV support, although we're yet to see WP7 device that supports HDMI interface...
Possibly.
Zune supports it, so it would be odd if they wouldn't add HDMI support for WP7.
dont forget guys...higher resolution doesnt necessarily mean a larger screen.
you can still have a 1280 X 1024 etc etc higher res screen while still making it into a 3.7-4.3 inch screen.
hell you could even have a higher res screen into a 2.8 inch slot.
the difference with display screen isnt always about the resolution however its about the Pixel Size, the larger each pixel is the large the screen is, the smaller the pixels the smaller the screen.
just to give you guys a head up, at work i was wokring with an OLED Microdisplay screen that had the resolution of 1280 X 1024, YES better resolution than most HD TVS, however the display screen was less than an inch small, the reason is was because of how small the pixels were. its pretty cool.
hasseye said:
dont forget guys...higher resolution doesnt necessarily mean a larger screen.
you can still have a 1280 X 1024 etc etc higher res screen while still making it into a 3.7-4.3 inch screen.
hell you could even have a higher res screen into a 2.8 inch slot.
the difference with display screen isnt always about the resolution however its about the Pixel Size, the larger each pixel is the large the screen is, the smaller the pixels the smaller the screen.
just to give you guys a head up, at work i was wokring with an OLED Microdisplay screen that had the resolution of 1280 X 1024, YES better resolution than most HD TVS, however the display screen was less than an inch small, the reason is was because of how small the pixels were. its pretty cool.
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Really, oh that's nice. Such screens would be really amazing on mobile devices.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/goo...october-with-super-amoled-hd-screen-50004784/
Nexus Prime will be a Samsung and is looking like an October release. Seems early since specs and pictures are still unknown, but with the Iphone 5 being released in Oct maybe Christmas will be early this year
Wow, can't wait. Coming in October? I doubt that as Nexus phones always come out just before Christmas. But the earlier the better
It's a shame it has to come with Pentile matrix though It will ruin the 'Retina' display (as 720p within 4.5" screen is 326ppi) as it won't truly be 'retina.'
htc gps > samsung gps
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htc gps > samsung gps
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Samsung Super AMOLED HD > HTC S-LCD
Don't really read C-net that much so I don't know how credible they are. Either way I hope it's true and comes out in early October.
Looks like im going to be waiting for the nexus prime successor. I will never buy a Samsung device.
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4.5 **** that is way to big i hope thats not true
Im tired of HTC and their touchscreen problems, my friend has a mytouch 4G and has the same ecactly touchscreen problems the Nexus One has, HTC is losing to Samsung big time, and Google goes to Samsung because they make mostly their own parts and makes really good phones. Cry about the plasticy feels of phones all you want, all phones will break after a drop from a decent height, I cant wait for this phone to come out!
must...wait...till...october...ugggh
Put back the SD card slot and led notification!
Notorious544d said:
It's a shame it has to come with Pentile matrix though It will ruin the 'Retina' display (as 720p within 4.5" screen is 326ppi) as it won't truly be 'retina.'
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I suppose, but it should be pointed out that the PenTile fringing pattern is much less distinguishable at a higher resolution. The Atrix at 275 ppi uses PenTile, but you really have to inspect it a lot more closely than a N1 or NS to see.
b1337 said:
4.5 **** that is way to big i hope thats not true
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I agree but only sort-of. The 4.5" size of a Hercules or Infuse, I think that would be too big for me. But if the murmurs of a button-free Ice Cream Sandwich OS are true, then the screen can take up more of the phone's body. So we could get an Infuse-size screen with 720p resolution, but a phone no bigger than the SGSII. Maybe even smaller.
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Cry about the plasticy feels of phones all you want, all phones will break after a drop from a decent height, I cant wait for this phone to come out!
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For some of us, it's not about metal being more durable than plastic, it's about the look/feel of metal vs. plastic. I don't like the look and feel of plastic, and I would even pay a hefty premium for the exact same phone if it was in metal (vs plastic).
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Actually now that I'm thinking it through more, the Nexus Prime screen couldn't possibly be the same dimensions as the Infuse, because of the aspect ratio difference. So imagine the SGS2 (4.3" 800x480, 1.667, 3.687x2.212") with the buttons gone, and the screen elongated an extra 0.235" into that space (4.5" 1280x720, 1.778, 3.922x2.206"). So not as massive as feared.
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Its probably gonna be around the same size as the charge
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I just hope it has a LED notification light.... and a flash light on the back...
as for samsung's build quality, they have been doing some awesome stuff lately(Phones, Laptops, TVs) and with Cyanogen on their team, it's gonna be interesting!
As seen from the up in coming Samsung devices, Nexus Prime screen size is gonna be 4.65 inches.
http://m.bgr.com/2011/08/18/samsungs-next-android-windows-phone-and-bada-devices-leaked/
b1337 said:
4.5 **** that is way to big i hope thats not true
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Seriously. I love the size and structure of my N1. I've messed around with larger screen devices like the Evo, and they feel both unwieldy and less solid.
Really, I'd be thrilled to have something exactly like the N1, just with upgraded CPU/SoC (maybe dual core), more RAM and onboard flash, and perhaps a true multitouch screen. Ok, and maybe a re-worked power button. But really, that's all I want.
I don't need 3D, a huge screen I can't fit easily in pockets, gimmicky curved glass, or 7G radios that only last 90 minutes. I just want the N1, updated.
There's so much they got right with the N1 IMHO, it's hard for me to find something that I'd be willing to replace it with yet.
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cmstlist said:
Actually now that I'm thinking it through more, the Nexus Prime screen couldn't possibly be the same dimensions as the Infuse, because of the aspect ratio difference. So imagine the SGS2 (4.3" 800x480, 1.667, 3.687x2.212") with the buttons gone, and the screen elongated an extra 0.235" into that space (4.5" 1280x720, 1.778, 3.922x2.206"). So not as massive as feared.
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It will probably be around the same size as the HTC Sensation. Although it has a 4.3" screen, because it is 16:9 it feels much smaller than the SGS2.
bcpk said:
It will probably be around the same size as the HTC Sensation. Although it has a 4.3" screen, because it is 16:9 it feels much smaller than the SGS2.
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Right, but since the rumoured Nexus Prime is (I stand corrected now) 4.65" and also 16:9, it'll have to be 8% wider than the Sensation - but not necessarily taller due to removal of the buttons. Although some of that width could also come from slimming down the bezel even further, if at all possible.
tony45x220 said:
Samsung Galaxy S3 ohh boy...2.0Ghz Quad-Core, Ice Cream, Touchwiz 5.0, 4.65" screen etc...check the specs out for yourself...coming mid 2012
Link:
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/8721898-leaked-specs-galaxy-s-iii
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.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
Meh, I'll worry about it when it comes to the states. For now, I'm loving my E4T.
Very true, I have upgrade 4/12 and 9/12 so I'm covered. But still, this epic touch is quite amazing.... Incredible
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bondosho said:
Meh, I'll worry about it when it comes to the states. For now, I'm loving my E4T.
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Exactly, I want to actually enjoy a phone, I'll deal with whats coming out later. I am willing to pay retail if its that good, so w/e.
cds0699 said:
Exactly, I want to actually enjoy a phone, I'll deal with whats coming out later. I am willing to pay retail if its that good, so w/e.
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Exactly. The ET4G is amazing. If the next gen is that great, I will get that then.
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Just give us ice cream and ill be happy.
Sent far away from another galaxy....using my ET4G.
...reminds me of a week before the EVO 4G was released the dual-core SoC's were announced. At the time a bunch of people lamented how their new phones that weren't even out yet were now obsolete, but, keep in mind that it took nearly a full year until we saw the first release of a dual-core phone and almost a year and a half until a dual-core phone that actually seems like a worthy, full-on noticeable upgrade.
Cool, I'll get one of these in July-October next year when they actually exist.
I said this in another thread, but a 4.65" 1280 X 1024 screen makes zero sense. The screen alone would be 94.5mm wide. Throw in 5.5mm for the bezel, and you have a phone that is 100mm wide. The Epic Touch is 70mm wide -- a phone that is 43% wider than that is a 2 handed mini tablet, not a phone.
The only way to make this work as a phone is to have a fold out dual screen like the Echo. But I don't want to fold out my phone everytime I want to use it.
Not to mention it's a 5:4 aspect ratio....
Actually, 4:3 AR like old timey TV's or the iPad.
If you are worried that something better is going to come out, you will never be happy because technology moves so fast. That being said, this phone will be top notch for 1+ years imo
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Ics is supposed to only be virtual buttons so the screen size might be larger but the overall handset might be smaller than this due to smaller bezel and no buttons.
Hanson68 said:
I said this in another thread, but a 4.65" 1280 X 1024 screen makes zero sense. The screen alone would be 94.5mm wide. Throw in 5.5mm for the bezel, and you have a phone that is 100mm wide. The Epic Touch is 70mm wide -- a phone that is 43% wider than that is a 2 handed mini tablet, not a phone.
The only way to make this work as a phone is to have a fold out dual screen like the Echo. But I don't want to fold out my phone everytime I want to use it.
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Ics is supposed to only be virtual buttons so the screen size might be larger but the overall handset might be smaller than this due to smaller bezel and no buttons.
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It's simple math. 4.65" with 4:3 aspect means the width is 3.72" or 94.5mm. And that's just the screen, no bezel. 94.5mm is still 35% wider than the Epic Touch even if there is zero bezel.
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I could be wrong, but I believe they increased the size of the screen and reduced the size of the bezel, so it would be roughly the same size.
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scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
deliriousbb said:
I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
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I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
Good comparison site for sizes of both displays
http://www.displaywars.com/5,5-inch-16x9-vs-5,3-inch-16x10
Portrait width is .1" narrower but .3" taller on the Note II. They also list diagonal sizes at the various aspect ratios.
Asquared said:
I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
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If you check the specs of the width, it is only 3mm wider, but yet the Note2 practically is all screen from bezel to bezel. You basically have an additional 6.28mm of diagonal screen space to work with. Again, I don't think you need to worry about the width and how it will effect your typing. It is negligible. 4.79 inches vs. 4.49 inches
Plus the latest keyboards from swype uses all of the width space and is very easy to type with even with the smaller GS3 screen.
Because the screen is taller, the change in physical width of the screen is very small, around 2.5mm.
There is a loss of 80 pixels from the sides but the remaining pixels are larger than on the note 1 to make up for the loss of the 80.
So physically there is just almost the same amount of room for the pen to move as on the note 1. Also I expect the keyboard buttons to be the same size, just maybe the resolution of the text will be less.
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
Been wondering about this myself. I have a note 1.
Would the square inch space / size of the screen be higher on the 1? I did read ½ of the thread.
dhar8062 said:
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
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sure most movies are 2.4:1, but you also need to factor in that it means that on the note 1, you lose even more rows of pixels compared to the note 2, so movies will still be better on the note 2 because the black bars will be narrower.
and i find my note 2 to be sharper than my note 1. even though its missing 80 rows of pixels, it ends up being sharper because it has a full subpixel matrix, which means that despite having 80 rows of pixels less, it still ends up with 30% more subpixels, which makes it better overall in my books.
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I have a problem my galaxy note 2, I think the loss of resolution to 1280x720 left the icons and letters all blurry, while the galaxy note 1 to define the icons and letters were much better. this is a hardware issue or software?
hey guys i was thinking about getting a galaxy but my only concern is the screen i have like an ocd thing about pixelation and i heard their hardly isnt any on the galaxy note 2 although it has less pixel density as well, well maybe at least compared to the gs3. how are you guys liking the new screen?
I came from the high ppi iPhone 4, from 326 to 267, and I'm very happy.
I'm not as OCD as you, but I'm still OCD, and with all the features of the Note 2, and humongous battery, I am definitely pleased.
1280x720 > 960x640 anyday, albeit lower ppi.
If you mean, clarity of small text. I can read full page pdf docs with smallish writing, in portrait mode. Dont have to zoom in. Iphone would be just a blur. The massive screen more than compensates for effectively tiny ppi differences. Wait till we have 1080p on 5inch displays then it will be more noticeable.
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No problems here either. I've owned all of At&T's recent top end phones (iPhone 4, Note 1, One X, and S3 to name a few) , and I think it's the best screen on a mobile device to date. PPI isn't the end all be all. The bigger the device the greater the viewing distance is. The greater the distance the less PPI really matters. Can't really compare a 4" and 5.5" device on PPI alone.
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That's great. I've been debating on getting one but now that I have opinions I might go buy one now
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/runevenes/sets/72157631743373121/with/8076319286/
Photos of Note 2 and the Galaxy S2.
Play Store (marked) is the S2
Chrome is the Note 2
Click on the pic to get a bigger pic, then rightclick and select orginal for the big pic.