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True HD IPS is much sharper than HD Super AMOLED

I know the True HD IPS screen is better than the AMOLED but I didn't think it was that much sharper than the HD Super AMOLED on a borrowed Galaxy Nexus. It's almost like putting on glasses, very crisp detail. I'm guessing when there is a non pentile HD AMOLED the differences may be a lot smaller but against the pentile HD AMOLED the difference is huge. The only thing holding the Optimus LTE back against truly surpassing the Galaxy Nexus in just about every way is the lack of an official ICS rom but then there is always CM9 for those of us who know how to get it on the phone.
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Yup. 3 subpixel elements rendering out light using RGB + a decently wide gamut backlight, rather than educated guesswork (well, subpixel rendering) using only a combination of two subpixels per pixel (and still off color). Also, no uneven black screens. Minor nitpick, but has always annoyed me on all amoled displays (it really shows up a night).
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Also keep in mind that the G nexus has a slightly larger screen, therefore lower PPI.

There's no question about it. I also compared the Nexus vs. Nitro side by side, and the text on Nexus' screen is more like my old 3GS, but on Nitro it's much sharper. Oh, did I mention the over-saturated color?

What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.

HTC did the right thing using the SUPERLCD in the one X imo

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What's funny to me is that the next great android super phone, the Galaxy S3 is STILL going to use a pentile AMOLED screen.
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Yeah that is disappointing. Those who say pentile isn't noticeable never used a high density IPS display; I could see what looks like a dithering pattern everywhere coming from the optimus true hd lte. I also don't like how AMOLED has these blotches everywhere when viewing the screen on low brightness.

I refuse to get anything less than our True HD IPS. Coming from an iPhone 4 to the Nitro, me eyes have been looking at retina quality screens for too long to go back to anything less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF-Z3_f3WCE
That's the difference I'm talking about

Another thing to point out (and maybe it's just me) the last phone I had was an infuse 4g and I noticed a burn in with the status bar, my brother's phone is the same which is a galaxy s. Both of them are amoled. Which I could notice while playing games on them.
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True I've already seen a few AMOLED displays with burn-in visible. I think LCD technology is also prone to some image persistence problems but not nearly as prone as AMOLED

Wow the youtube video really gets the point across. And I was already considering buying a Galaxy S3. I think we may be spoiled by our phones because there is a possibility LG may not continue to do the IPS displays. Also, the processor is a factor as well. I'm still on the fence between a 4X and GS3.

I've yet to experience the burn issues with OLED but I've never peaked out the brigtness settings for a prolonged period either which it strongly states can cause screen burn.. There is a divided group I've come to notice were some don't really get all that excited by the vibrant colors and outright detest the lack of viewabilty in open sunlight. I don't make any qualms against those and their reasons are valid. There are a lot of us however who are passionate about them for their stunning colors that captivate a photographers eye. I suppose it's an each their own issue but for anyone who is new with AMOLED, any prolonged brightness at the maxed settings on a fixed screen inevitably causes burn. I've personally never had any issues.

Biggest downside for me on p930 is the touch sensitivity. It's definitely noticeable compared to the skyrocket. It's especially pronounced on the screen edges. Otherwise, the form factor is better (thinner, textured back), the screen has a great feature where the glass curves over the edges of the bezel. Could be the reason the edges are less sensitive? I also prefer the three capacitive buttons vs. four. And as mentioned display quality is great: ppi, benefits of it's lcd vs amoled, etc. Show someone the videos included with the stock gingerbread wrong. It amazing.
Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.

Samsung said they are including the pentile again, because it lasts longer then the HD amoled display. Something else to consider.
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This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"

gmkelly001 said:
This sorta seems like a slap in the face to current Galaxy S2 owners doesn't it? "Hi, this is Samsung, your Galaxy S2 screen should be dying soon, perfect time to buy a new S3!"
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Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).

In Canada you basically have to go 3 year contract or the subsidy isn't worth it and you might as well buy the phone outright
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jeremyshaw said:
Basically, it's Samsung admitting burn in IS an issue, even within the 2 year confines of many phone contracts (though some in Canada get 3 years!?).
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I think it's more likely that they can't make a profit if they included Super Amoled Hd + displays.

Thank you for your new reel

I returned my Galaxy nexus and bought a LG Nitro HD. The screen on the Nexus had way too many flaws to pass for a high end phone. The yellow tint, and the ghosting were unacceptable to me.

[Q] 800 pixels width vs 720 - discuss

The only thing putting me off the note 2 is the smaller screen resolution. I can imagine apps like the samsung calendar must be less usable. Also I find 800 pixels is a dream resolution for viewing internet pages.
For those that switched from the note 1 how are you finding it?

Is the less dpi really that noticeable? I'm actually very excited about the new aspect ratio as I watch a lot of movies on my phone
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Finally a thread like this
It's really annoying in some situations but then you launch a video and your stunned.
You browse, somehow less good, it's quite noticeable when you had Note 1 but then the screen is so much better in ALL other aspects.
Then you get no problems with app compatibility due to the more standard resolution. You see more webapps and games thought for 720p.
So wrapping up, I guess I'll get use to it and with all the other goodies on Note 2 it's worth the upgrade: amazing batterie life (doubled), screen colour and brightness, speed and great sound.
I'll keep the nostalgy of the original Note owner though :<
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Isn't the one lesser column of icons also the result of less horizontal pixel? Yes I agree the screen is much better, but I don't suppose it's just for web viewing. There are the utilitarian point of view to this. I would imagine people who used to have certain amount of icons on a single page and then suddenl reduce would feel negatively. It's like taking a feature out. I am coming from an Epic 4G so I got no bone to pick on this just voicing another valid PoV that some people didn't see.

Sometimes I'll do something and my brain will go, 'that looks a bit odd', because I remembered how it was before.
But you'll get over it. The Note 2 is THAT much better.
- Frank

1080 screens

Wanted some input from someone more tech savvy than I. Since the difference between 720 and 1080 smaller tv screens to our eyes are not much different (so I was told it only matters on very large tv's)
Will there be a huge discernable difference btween 720 and 1080 phone screens to the naked eye?
Thanks
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I'm sure it makes a difference. How big of a difference I don't know. I haven't seen a 1080 screen yet. But the Note 2 has the best screen I've ever seen. I can't see the pixels, but when I look really close I can barely see the ragged edge of text. Simply reading it's wonderful, no pixels.

For a screen as big as the note 2's, you will definitely see a difference between 720p and 1080p.
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I just wish it would output at 1080 thru mhl
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I saw a droid dna and note 2 comparison side by side of the same .jpg image and I mean on the 1080p screen of the DNA you could definitely see the shadows on the space shuttle were more defined and not as washed out as the note 2 . Other very minute details were visible when you really looked at them . At first glance you could again see the dna was *slightly* more defined. Due to the lower pixel density and the 720p of the note 2.
That being said . Any difference was only slight and would not have lead me to chose the DNA over the note 2 alone. Now THAT being said. If you were going for the most high definition clearest possible picture with super bright colors . The note 2 is definitely not the winner.
I purchased the note 2 because I was going to buy a tablet in addition to the phone I had and the note 2 was JUST big enough to where it was acceptable for browsing the web and gaming as well as all the standard smart phone features. Im pleased with my choice as far as what I was looking for / expecting in my comprimise.

Agree
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I saw a droid dna and note 2 comparison side by side of the same .jpg image and I mean on the 1080p screen of the DNA you could definitely see the shadows on the space shuttle were more defined and not as washed out as the note 2 . Other very minute details were visiting. ting ble when. you real home ooked at them . At first glance you could again see the dna was *slightly* more defined. Due to the lower pixel density and the 720p of the note 2.
That being said . Any difference was only slight and would not have lead me to chose the DNA over the note 2 alone. Now THAT being said. If you were going for the most high definition clearest possible picture with super bright colors . The note 2 is definitely not the winner.
I purchased the note 2 because I was going to buy a tablet in addition to the phone I had and the note 2 was JUST big enough to where it was acceptable for browsing the web and gaming as well as all the standard smart phone features. Im pleased with my choice as far as what I was looking for / expecting in my comprimise.
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Agreed totally I was going to get a ipad mini for portable
. Browsing as iphone 4 was too small and iphone 5 didn't impress me with the changes so I branched out saw a note 2 it was love at first site I truly have a pc in my pocket everywhere. Yes it can be slightly more time consuming to do things but while out the house this is just a beast!

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Agreed totally I was going to get a ipad mini for portable
. Browsing as iphone 4 was too small and iphone 5 didn't impress me with the changes so I branched out saw a note 2 it was love at first site I truly have a pc in my pocket everywhere. Yes it can be slightly more time consuming to do things but while out the house this is just a beast!
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Same here. I had the nexus 7 and a Galaxy nexus. When the Note 2 came out I bought it simply because it's just big enough for both without carrying 2 devices. As far 720 vs 1080 I don't know that there would be to much visable difference. Not to mention you would need more battery to carry the extra on a 1080. I'm very happy with the screen on the Note 2!
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I just wish it would output at 1080 thru mhl
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NZTechfreak's connectivity review seems to imply that it can do this, are you sure it can't?

The Note 2 has plenty of pixels to do everything you want it to. Adding more pixels isn't going to make your user experience much better. Maybe worse if it drains the battery. Also, I would rather have the extra .5 inches of the Note 2.

Is there a point to 1080p screens?

With all the talks about Note 3 having 1080p screens - made me wonder, would there be that much a difference between 1080p and 720p screens when it comes to such small screens? I'm not talking of the screen quality, which is a whole different topic. Obviously it requires much more battery power, so is it worth it, really?

Makes no difference to me. I think my note 2 screen is good enough as is. Would choose battery life over pixel density any day.
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Makes no difference to me. I think my note 2 screen is good enough as is. Would choose battery life over pixel density any day.
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Me too.I looked at the Note 2 and HTC One screens with the same image at the same time and i don't noticed any difference except the Note 2 being a little bit more saturated.And I like that saturation

The difference between 720p and 1080p screens is nearly not noticable for the human eye unless you realy blow up the image .

1080p is pointless on a phone sized screen. The only reason they made that jump is for marketing purposes. To the ignorant masses 1080p must be better because it's a higher resolution. The note 2 screen is already amazing and while I may upgrade to the note 3, which is almost certain to be 1080p, it would be for reasons which aren't the screen.
Sent from the mighty Note II.

Coming from an S3 to a Note 2 I did notice the Note 2 screen looked more "grainy" due to the larger pixels. However now I'm used to it I can't tell the difference.
I'll have to see the 1080p screen before I make a definitive judgement but I suspect you will be able to see the difference on a 5.5"+ screen. And bear in mind that the note 3 may well have a larger screen.

baileyjr said:
Coming from an S3 to a Note 2 I did notice the Note 2 screen looked more "grainy" due to the larger pixels. However now I'm used to it I can't tell the difference.
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Same here, the S3 screen was so sharp and vivid I was slightly dissapointed when I had both in my hand to compare but on it's own merit I now love the Note II's screen and the phone as a whole, and would much prefer a little more battery life v a 1080p screen.
In fact, I don't even have the urge to upgrade anytime soon to any other phone as the Note II ticks all the boxes for me :good:

On a 5 or 6" screen the difference is not noticable by the naked eye.
I rather have a 5" 6mm thick Note 3 with no bezel, 120 grams and 3 days of battery life.
But Samsung seems to take it into a different direction which will ultimately result (I think, this is my thought) in loosing customers that prefer a thin, light and slick device over a feature bloated brick. So I will NOT update to the note three but either go 'back' (in screen size) to the S4 or switch to another brand altogeter. The HTC one seems nice if they fix that camera...

It's just a thing that looks good on a spec sheet. The only jump from 720p would be to 4k to see a difference. A few years back when I was looking for a tv everyone said unless your having a tv over 32" the difference between 720p and 1080p is negligible. So to see a difference on a 5" screen, doubt it.

It will be noticeable even with a naked eye, we just like to say it doesn't to keep ourselves satisfied with what we already own.
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It will be noticeable even with a naked eye, we just like to say it doesn't to keep ourselves satisfied with what we already own.
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To say you can only notice on tvs over 32 inches I dont know how you could notice it on a 5 inch phon3
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Optimus G Pro vs Galaxy Note 2 screen/batt life

Is the increased resolution of the G Pro a big deal ? What is the G Pro superior for and where (if anywhere) will you be able to tell the difference side by side?
What about the battery life?

The screen on the OG Pro absolutely blows Note 2's away. All benchmarks I have seen favor the OG Pro. IMHO, the only category Note 2 wins is the pen. If you must have a pen, and think you can avoid losing it, get the Note 2. (I've heard that the OG Pro will work with any capacitive stylus, just not quite as precise as the Note 2's pen. Haven't tested, though) Note 3 comes out this fall...
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Note 2's battery can probably do a bit more screen-on time because of the less demanding display, otherwise pretty close in this category.

Ive had past experiences with lg and never will i be buying an lg phone again. I like custom roms and new updates..and with lg,they take a hell lot time to update their rom. Plus when they do it, they give u crappy software.
Get the note 2 and u wont regret it. Battery life is awesome. I get 6-7h of screen time with moderate use. Anyway just my 2 cents..Good luck with ur decision.
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I already have the Note 2 actually, but it's clearly a defective unit, as it randomly reboots and freezes. I'm thinking of returning it for another Note 2, but I was considering the G Pro.
I'm pleased with the screen of the Note 2.In what does the G Pro screen "blow away" the Note 2. Again, I know, more pixels... but is that really noticeable?
Don't like the locked bootloader on the G Pro

I spent some time with one in the AT&T store a few days ago. The OGP screen is all that it's cracked up to be. It's virtually impossible to see pixels, and in a totally other league from any of the 720 * 1280 screens available.

Ive played with the note 2 and the screen realy is that much better. Plus while lg does have crappy software there will likely be lotsa development once the bootloader is unlocked and will solve that problem. What can't be solved tho is samsungs shotty craftsmanship. U drop any samsung device from more than waist high, and ur replacing something, if not the whole phone. Just youtube droptests for samsung devices they consistantly do the worst of any device. As for a stylus the screen works with gloves on, anything can be used as a stylus on this ive seen more than one video where people used a regular pen although there no software support for it. While other phones may do 1 or 2 things better you can't buy a better all around phone right now. And its lookin like its gonna be that way till the note 3 and even then the enyxos 5s are barely outperforming the 600s although their design does give them better battery life.
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itikhvin said:
Is the increased resolution of the G Pro a big deal ? What is the G Pro superior for and where (if anywhere) will you be able to tell the difference side by side?
What about the battery life?
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I'm pretty much in the same boat but compared against the S4. Im also a bit more concerened about phone durability. I take care of my things but I want a little more cushion for when accidents happen. Is the OG Pro just as fragile as the s4? Has anyone managed to accidentally crack theirs?
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This is my current stats before I got home.
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I spent some time with one in the AT&T store a few days ago. The OGP screen is all that it's cracked up to be. It's virtually impossible to see pixels, and in a totally other league from any of the 720 * 1280 screens available.
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OK, so I understand that the screen is better, but where will I notice it compared to Note 2? In videos? Pictures? Text? Brightness? Outdoor visibility? Colors?

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This is my current stats before I got home.
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That's not bad at all.
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OK, so I understand that the screen is better, but where will I notice it compared to Note 2? In videos? Pictures? Text? Brightness? Outdoor visibility? Colors?
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I have a note 2, an iPhone 5, LG OG, GS 4, and have used One, plus all major devices before. For me, the main difference is the age old debate of LCD vs AMOLED. I prefer LCD. Colors are more true and whites are actually white. You can use different screen modes with the note 2 to minimize the over saturation, but o stool poetry LCD. The OG Pro also does better outdoors in sunlight. Overall the screen seems brighter and the increased resolution does make a difference. In my experience, the battery is not as good on the OG Pro, but still better than most Android devices.

The battery life is a concern to me. How much worse than the Note 2 should I expect. I have to say I have no idea what the Note 2 is capable of, as my current unit is defective.

Get the OGP if you like natural colors and a awesome screen

I had the Note 2. Its about the same. I used it for a while this morning before it even fell off 100%. The screen gets way brighter which believe me u will appreciate.
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It's not just the color accuracy. The added resolution really makes a difference. I could read full desktop web sites without zooming in. The Note 2 lacks the resolution for that. The One & S4 screens are too small to do so comfortably. The only strike on the screen is that it can't get the almost infinite blacks of an AMOLED screen.
I've heard that the Note 3 will still use a pentile pixel arrangement. On the S4, that's fine. The pixels are too small for it to matter. But on a 6 inch screen, I know I'd start to see sub pixels. Sure, it would be less obvious than on an S3, but I'd rather not see them at all.

I just got a replacement Note II, and think I'm going to stick with it. The device is easier to get here in Canada, as oposed to the G Pro which right now I can only get from AT&T in the States... The Note can be unlocked for free and used on practically any network here... and the bootloader isn't locked.
I already find the screen resolution of the Note 2satisfying for watching video...G Pro could have swayed me if it was REALLY good in sunlight such as say the Nokia 920, but it appears that isn't...The battery life on the Note 2 is also bound to be better (since the screen is only 720p). The camera on the G Pro doesn't appear to better the one on Note II either, even though the resolution is increased....

Check out this vs review. Lots of good stuff. They put out some opinions and more subjective details. Lots of objective stuff.
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_pro_vs_samsung_galaxy_note_ii-review-911.php

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Check out this vs review. Lots of good stuff. They put out some opinions and more subjective details. Lots of objective stuff.
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_pro_vs_samsung_galaxy_note_ii-review-911.php
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I have checked it out previously... the G Pro appears to be significantly better according to that review is the Synthetic Benchmarks, but I have no idea if this is really something noticeable in real life? They actuallly stated that he Note II has better sunlight visiblity what the heck...???

The synthetic benchmarks are one measurement, but the difference for me is not really noticeable from a lag or fluidness perspective. The screen on the pro g is pretty reflective. They're saying the digitizer for the s pen gives it a bit of a filter.

I have the note 2, s4, HTC one, and this phone and LG Optimus G Pro has the best screen of them all hands down. It also has great battery life and the screen does kill note 2. Plus the phone is easier to hold in hand and handle compared to note 2. Note 2 has stylus which is nice but if you don't use it LG is better.

nnotis said:
It's not just the color accuracy. The added resolution really makes a difference. I could read full desktop web sites without zooming in. The Note 2 lacks the resolution for that. The One & S4 screens are too small to do so comfortably. The only strike on the screen is that it can't get the almost infinite blacks of an AMOLED screen.
I've heard that the Note 3 will still use a pentile pixel arrangement. On the S4, that's fine. The pixels are too small for it to matter. But on a 6 inch screen, I know I'd start to see sub pixels. Sure, it would be less obvious than on an S3, but I'd rather not see them at all.
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Well being only half an inch bigger then an s4 doesn't make an enormous difference. I had the note 2 and went to the s4 I'm not sad that I lost that half an inch. The pen was cool though. But never used it too much.
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