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[Q] What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone?

What would you like to see in the next HTC Phone? Choose? And also post what you would like to see and have.

Good hardware. I.e., a camera sensor that doesn't suck, use of NAND rather than SD card for storage, screens which doesn't look washed out.
HTC has a lot of stepping up to do for me to consider another device from them. I was pretty happy with my HD2, but the HD7 I initially picked up went back to the store real quick. In the end I ended up with the Omnia 7 from Samsung instead.

Hardware
I switched for the first time from HTC, couldn't accept the Surround. Get rid of that rediculous speaker setup and replace it with their great keyboard. At least a 4.3" screen equal to the Super AMOLED of the Samsung Focus, maximum amount of internal memory (32GB would be fine with me), HDMI port.

I would vote for 32GB+ NAND flash for sure, all other things aren't important as far as I'm concerned.
More importantly, I'd like to see more than one next HTC WP7 phone (just as Samsung phones, and phones from other OEMs).
Because at this point of time, sales numbers for the next few quarters will determine the fate of WP7. And without phones you won't get those numbers. None of the OEMs is or will be capable of making just one phone that'll drive the OS forward.
No matter how much MS will talk about "sales aren't important" and "we're in it for the long haul", they are facing lots of pressure from investors, this isn't the time of XBox launch. Unlike many, I don't think that the launch was a failure (getting 2% of smartphone sales is awesome with so few devices and on half the carriers), but MS will need to ramp it up aggressively, and it can't be done by ads alone no matter how much they spend.
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.

Tegra 2, lots of NAND, 4" SLCD.

vangrieg said:
That there are no leaks with MWC looming is troubling.
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Agreed. During the initial launch we knew about pretty much every phone that was going to be released by this point. The only thing I've seen this time around is that Asus phone.
As for what I'd want in the next phone, physical buttons and half-decent build quality.

Microsoft knows that it has a major uphill battle. Most phone sales are due to word of mouth (a friend has one and loves/hates it) over TV ads. Windows Mobile had a bad rap when compared to Android and the iPhoney, due to its lack of upgrades.
Microsoft needs to blow the lid off this, work with providers to make KICK ASS phones that people want for fair prices.
As for HTC phones, anything over a 4.3" display is getting a little too big (don't people keep their phones in their pockets ?)for a phone. This is getting into the tablet area but, if there is NO QWERTY keyboard, the display MUST be at least 4"
Fast, "great quality, good sized display", modern tech (DLNA, FM, A-GPS, NFC...etc), QWERTY keyboard with a small form factor. If HTC has it, great, if someone else, maybe then it's for me.
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.

DavidinCT said:
I was loyal to HTC for a while but, I have had some crappy phones, so I am open to try others to see how good they are.
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The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.

vangrieg said:
The great thing about WP7 is that it doesn't really matter (shhh, don't tell OEMs). It makes a huge difference. My Mozart is the first HTC phone I've had that doesn't need a new ROM. It's marvellous what no OEM software does to a phone.
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Was not talking about Software, I was talking about hardware (I had 12 XV6800s...YES, 12, because they would always break)

A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!

orb3000 said:
A decent fast keyboard device please!!!!!
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let me drop a nice link for you then
http://www.htc.com/www/product/7pro/overview.html

To the OP:
You should change the QuadBand World Phone to Pentaband 3G. That's what should become the new standard for high end phones at this point.

I want dual core processor, 1gb RAM, better camera sensor/software and a hardware keyboard in a device with a 4" SLCD. Maybe one with LTE support
Problem HTC?

1. higher class of hardware (screen, speaker...)
2. a real IO port for using external addons (TV-out, IR remote control, bio sensors...)

Picking your next Windows Phone... What is your priority feature?

Thought this might be interesting if I go by things I read on different threads.
This won't be the case but let's assume you can get any phone on any carrier and price isn't an issue.
How would you pick your next phone?
I allowed for multiple choice but try not to vote for 6 out of 8 or this won't teach us anything specific. And if you picked "Other", what did you have in mind?

Other: gyroscope support and > 1 GHz processor

My most important features: Screen size (less than 4"), Camera (high quality with dual led), and something not there build quality.
I am pretty much all in for the Nokia 800. Second choice is the Samsung Omnia W.

For me there has to be a hardware keyboard - I just hate capacitive touch keyboards.

Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.

I LOVE massive phones, I went from my HD2, to an HD7, and if God would answer my prayers, the Titan would come to T-Mobile, though, soon enough it won't matter as I'm hoping we become AT&T. So, I voted for FFC since it's already a given to me that I'm going for a big phone. Screen type would probably be a close second for me, as I like the HD7 screen, but really wish it were a higher quality, but hey, I'm asking to be spoiled now, right?

It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.

species5618w said:
Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
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Yeah I guessed price would come up for many people as well as choice given by the carrier which is why I said in the first post regardless of price and availability

Peew971 said:
It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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I personally love HTC, I know I'm probably in the current minority, for some odd reason as they're the only phones to consistently update without an issue, but Nokia is also winning over my heart.

I really want my Mozart to be my last HTC ever. But it's been my desire to abandon them since like 2005, and I still was forced to buy their stuff because others were mostly even worse.
In your list, it goes like this: screen less than 4", 16GB minimum (64 preferred), usable camera, 1500+ mAH battery. No pentile crap. Looks are also kind of important, but I can live with something less than stellar.
The leaks and announcements really make me sad, I don't see anything really attractive. SeaRay is almost there but it looks like it'll come with PenTile, so it's most probably a no go...

I'm with FiyaFleye, I like HTC and and have seen problems that would affect with other OEMS that I don't have with my Fuze. Nokia I have no idea on that but haven't had one in 4 yrs and it was a dumbphone. However not willing to wait another 3 months+ for them either. I would like a hardware keyboard with a smaller screen would be first choice, or go with a big screen so I can type well. Extra nick nacks are always a plus if they are usable, and 1 gig > processor for some future app usage is good too.
This list would have been so much easier in Aug before they started announcing phones, I'm just waiting for mine to come to the USA.

I'd love to get my hands on a Nokia WP7 phone, but that could take a while and the HTC Titan is kinda expensive over here.
I'll prolly just get a Samsung Omnia W if I get too impatient, really wanna see what the better CPU/GPU can do for my emulator.
Also I'd really like to see some 32GB storage phones, 8GB is just killing me on my Trophy.

1. Storage, it must be at least 32gb
2. Nokia
I will only consider getting a phone that isn't a nokia if the storage space is 32gb or above (and nokia only offer 16gb variants).
If storage space doesn't improve by the end of the year I will probably jump ship to android, even though I prefer Windows Phone my music collection is a must for me.
I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that the Nokia 800 will come in 16gb and 64gb variants like the N9 and thus will be my next phone (in blue )

Manufacturer is gonna come into play for my next WP7. IE i'm not having another Samsung phone.

I went with screen size. 3.5" ish would be good. Also, want good battery life. At least a 1500mah battery.

Funny how so few people picked FF Camera when it's supposed to be an epic fail not to have it since Apple "invented" video chat

I would have bought that Samsung Omnia 7 W like today if it came with 16 GB...
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1. Storage...at least 32 GB
3. Camera quality
3. Screen quality
I don't know any one that actually uses the FFC...nothing but a gimmick.

I´m asking myself if I need a new WP in general...
My OMNIA 7 has all features I use daily (less DLNA and skype support).
So today I took a look at the new HTC devices:
1. HTC Omega is too small.
2. HTC Titan is too big for my taste.
The display is much better than the HD7 display but not even better than the OMNIA 7 display. Also the general quality of the phone is very good: less plastic parts and good working hardware buttons (compared with the HD7).
Do I need a HTC Titan 4.7" notebook in my pocket ? I don´t think so.
The upcoming OMNIA W will only have 8 GB, maybe 16GB... is this what I need ? I don´t think so either.
A general question is: Do I really need a FF cam ? How many videocalls I made in the past ? I only made normal voip calls...
I would say the only hope is that the NOKIA Empire strikes back... and I don´t think that the new devices will have more than 16 GB.
I hope that I´m wrong, but I think it´s better to wait 3 or 4 month before buying a new WP.
Regards
contable

I never thought I'd say this, but camera is my #1. Since everyone seems to be pinching pennies these days and both of my old 5MP point-and-shoots are just crappy, my phone has become my #1 camera for both stills and video. I remember when cameras first came out on cell phones and I was thinking, "why?" All that, and baby is now 12 weeks old, so I'm taking pictures like crazy!
Screen size is a close second. I doubt I could ever go smaller than my 4" Focus screen at this point.

Nokia/WP7- Is anything new being brought to the table?

Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.

They will bring a lot - great build quality, great reception, great camera and free worldwide navigation with Nokia Maps. Not sure about the battery life but maybe there is going to be something in that part too.

z33dev33l said:
Microsoft, a titan of the software industry, entirely unmatched. Nokia, once THE hardware giant in the mobile industry, fallen from graces due to poor software. Sounds like a romance etched in the stars for bards to write soliloquys about until time dth end, right? Well, according to the press, this is just a terrible idea.
Earlier this year, Microsoft announced an exclusive partnership with Nokia granting them more power over an already beautiful OS. Numerous jobs were lost, the bad press was everywhere, but Elop and Ballmer were smiling for the camera. Things died down, a few even began to see the bright side of what such a merger might offer, but with the release of the technical specifications of nokia's new windows phone devices, windows phone users everywhere froze. They seemed to offer nothing that the other OEMs couldn't. Some were expecting Nokia to blow us away with the use of a dual-core processor on a windows phone flagship device, my only thought, why?
Nokia is a hardware company not known for excessive hardware, but rather how they use it. While android was running sluggish on a 1 GHz snapdragon, symbian was smooth on a much lesser chipset. Nokia never was the greatest manufacturer for the power in the phone, just great execution be it their battery life which is absolutely phenomenal opposed to that of most smartphones, or their build quality, which provides a durable, polished, and attractive device. Don't even get me started on the camera's they've so often been praised for since the early days of smartphones. Nokia is a hardware company to be revered, even if not for their power.
Now, with WP7's strict hardware limitations allowing very specific chipsets in their devices, the chipset is not the issue by any means. What Microsoft needs now is a beautiful device with a great camera to take advantage of the fastest camera app out there, a great battery life to provide hours of smooth, lag-free browsing, and a polished build quality to match the polished OS.
Do I think WP7/Nokia could be a game changer? I'd like to think so, but only time will tell. For now, I'll just continue salivating over the new Nokia 800.
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stigma:
the stigma amoung developers will remain, i would imagine. bitten by a company doesn't make you want to turn around and work for/with them again when they smile and announce a new product with a new partner. but that's only a few thousand people. they certainly won't be doing any dev'ing out of shear joy or passion. maybe for a job, but i doubt the flashy new hardware will dull their memory of being wronged by nokia, and now microsoft.
hardware:
despite the marketing and constant suggestion that nokia will be revolutionary hardware, or a great relationship with microsoft, or something 'new' and 'invigorating' - to the common consumer, it's a yawner:
another phone.
it's green.
big camera.
wp7.
more yawns, wp7 has been available for a while. 5-6Mp cameras have been available. dual cores, NFC, big and bright touch screens, it's all out there, right now.
so, what is the draw for just another manufacturer releasing another phone here ?
enlighten me

"Nokia/WP7- Is anything new being brought to the table?"
Yes, of course, huge huge impressive 16gb storage.

HTC and Samsung and LG have learned immensely during the last two years about both software and hardware in the new smart phone era. It would be difficult to outdo their current offerings.
But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.

lekhwani said:
But there is really a chance, due to their partnership, that they may come up with something new and interesting. Let's just wait a few days.
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I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.

According to engadget "possibly the most beautiful phone ever made". But I guess without tri-cores they really arent any different from the giants that are HTC and Samsung. /S

Those blue and pink phones look great with similar-colored live tiles!

arturobandini said:
I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.

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um wat? lol. Nokia has more experience than just about any other phone manufacturer out there.
As far as what Nokia brings:
1. Excellent build quality & durability
2. Still best in class camera optics (at least on the high end phones).
3. Very good quality radios / cell reception
4. Typically very good battery life
5. Very stylistic designs well beyond what most manufacturers put out
6. Nokia services such as Ovi Maps (this will be huge for Bing Maps outside of US/UK)
7. Very large reach into lots of countries. More reach = more exposure = more people = good for platform.
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It's totally true besides one thing:
Since introduction of touchscreens their own Symbian OS bacame disaster,
which just couldn't catch the leaders, even if it was offerring more features than iOS and Android some time ago.
They couldn't manage this and develop this OS properly, even having such great experience and potential and money.
So take nothing for granted. I am not so sure WP7/Nokia will give such amazing results everybody hopes for.

arturobandini said:
I bet a lot of people will be disappointed.... Probably mainly low end devices
I also predict many issues/bugs/problems. Nokia haven't the experience that HTC have.
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Anyone want to bet that the Microsoft Hero Phone will come from Nokia?
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I agree the specs I've seen so far are not wildly inspiring, but maybe that's not the point. Whilst the sort of people who read XDA will probably be more excited by phones such as the samsung focus s etc., perhaps typical consumers look more at brand / aesthetics / contract price than processor specs, and Nokia still have a name somewhat synonymous with mobile phones for a lot of people. Even though I probably won't one myself, I see the Nokia influence doing wonders for windows phone as a platform as it will get it into the hands of many people who might not have considered it otherwise.

My last Nokia phone was the n80 and it was a great piece of hardware. 3.2mp camera was unheard of back then.
The software is the only thing holding Nokia back. With WP they have the potential to release premium phones as well as low end smartphones . Nobody has the worldwide reach lke Nokia. They are the biggest phone company in the world.
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This is something of a do or die situation, Nokia has to awe us.

The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.

vetvito said:
The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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devving for meego direct was hell so all we'd really get was ports and that's only from those who wanted to take the time to port. No matter how it went the best meego could've been is a second-rate android and they didn't want that.

We all know Nokia is going to make incredible hardware. What I'm mostly excited about are the OS changes Nokia has made.

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The N9 is one great looking device. Meego also looked great.
They need to quit ditching OS's.
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They ditched 1 OS.

brummiesteven said:
They ditched 1 OS.
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??? Are you kidding.
They dropped Symbian as well.

I admit i only read a few posts on this thread so if this point is made already im sorry.
The way i see it is that spec sheets are worthless as each manufacturer can buy up the same bits from the same places and bung them in a shell. WP7 is always a constantly fast smooth OS the expiriance unlike droid is the same from one device to another. So what does Nokia bring???? They bring the style! I dont see the spec sheets blowing us away at all or some super new tech but i ask you this when was the last time you looked at a phone without all the specs and that and thought wow that is one sexy beast? The only time i can remember really thinking that was over 11 years ago when Nokia baught the 8850 to the table. I dont care what the specs are i need the 800 (searay) in my life.

Nokia Lumia 800 reviewed

The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review

Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.

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Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
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Wow, you really see evil everywhere. Anti-wp7 bias? And why should it outscore the N9 exactly? Using their comparison tool, it makes total sense the N9 scores higher. Not to mention you're complaining about a 0.1 difference.
And you call people haters...
http://www.theverge.com/products/compare/42/2593

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Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
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Please cite specific examples of anti-WP7 bias.

I think it is a pretty objective review. Where the 800 shines, without question, is in the distinctive case design:
The Lumia 800 / N9 design ethos is all about effortless simplicity for the user, but it's backed by a stupefying amount of calculation, modeling, and testing behind the scenes. What you see and feel in your hand is a seamless piece of soft-touch plastic, curved on all sides and gently tapering toward flattened-out top and bottom surfaces, fronted by a curved screen. It's natural and pleasant to the touch, with great ergonomics and weight balance — the diametric opposite of the cold and impersonal appearance of most modern technology. Being able to meld that aggressively minimalist monobody design with a fully functional smartphone is where Nokia's manufacturing chops really shine through.
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Aside from a non-removable battery, it is probably the most attractive-looking phone I've ever seen.
The rest of the review does a commendable job of digging into the phone's strengths and weaknesses, and pulls no punches on areas where they feel Nokia/Microsoft could have done better (the unresponsive physical buttons, average camera performance, competitive but not stand-out WP7 hardware, and so on).
Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.

Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.

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Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.
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I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S

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I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
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+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.

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Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.
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You can argue WP7 isn't the best supported OS either and the N9 gives you Front Facing camera, 4 times more storage, double the RAM, a bigger screen, NFC, pentaband, tethering, video out. Since you're not scoring potential, it seems fair that the N9 scores higher.

The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.

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The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.
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Whatever dude.

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+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.
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the focus S has the specs but the design element is pretty ugly. I want a phone that's as aesthetically pleasing as the OS itself.

Peew971 said:
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
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That comes down to personal preference. After the debacle of Focus updates on WP7, I will never buy another Samsung phone. Ever.

I finally got the chance to pick up and play with a n9 the other day and disregarding the OS i was really not impressed with the build of the phone. Most of my quarrels are with the physical buttons similar to what the article mentioned and i really do not like having the micro usb ports at the top of the phone as opposed to the bottom as i like to put my phones in a cradle at my desk.
Although this is the n9 i am sure its is very similar to the lumia 800. This is definitely not the phone for me primarily due to its small screen size, as i like the real estate i currently hold with my HD7.
I still think its funny when reviewing WP7 devices they actually talk about the operating system other then to increase awareness. The WP7 experience is the same across nearly all handset minus included software, this is different to android reviews as they can have different interface which effect look and performance. Continuity is a wonderful thing.

I will just say one thing.. I WANT IT!

I'm still on the fence of whether to stay with WP7, or put it on the back burner (for now) while it finishes cooking. But, if I do stick with it, and assuming that Nokia can iron out the camera issues prior to releasing the 800 in the US, and assuming that there is a 32 GB option, this will probably be my phone of choice.

Peew971 said:
The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review
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Peew, its me. Please just hear (or read) me out for a few minutes and maybe we can see eye to eye.
I can't stand engadget's reviews but they are a necessary evil. I am hoping The Verge is different and when I opened the link you posted, I noticed the author's name sounded familiar. Vlad Savov... Vlad... where have I seen that before? Then I remember a conversation I had with a good friend about this article here.
Go to that link. Scroll down to the Disqus comments section. Sort by Best Rating. The comments complaining about Vlad are overwhelming. There was an aspect of the tablet that he complained about and it turned out he did not know what he was doing.
Now, back to where we are. I have not read the review yet and it may be a fair one. Engadget also posted their review today. I will read both and comment.
But Vlad was a questionable reviewer then at Engadget. Maybe he got better. Maybe he was being censored.
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I just read The Verge's review and it honestly sounded like a fair review. He nitpicked on the buttons on the phone, but since I haven't used it I will defer. Zee, you might be a little too sensitive
I could not even get through the first paragraphy of the Engadget review. They started off by slamming Elop for saying the 800 is a refinement of the N8, citing every hardware feature is worse. The Lumia 800 has a 1.4GHz cpu, radio, bettery battery life, a dedicated camera button, and Windows Phone on it. Clearly in a Windows Phone event, he would refering to the whole package as a refinement.

I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
Elop has gone on record claiming that the Lumia 800 is a "refinement" of the N9. That's not a good use of English and we can't let it slide, because every hardware difference between the two devices leaves the Lumia 800 worse off. There's no globetrotting pentaband 3G, which means no AWS support for T-Mo USA's network. The front-facing camera and notification LED have evaporated. The screen is slightly smaller due to the intrusion of the Windows Phone buttons. There's only 512MB of RAM instead of 1GB. Onboard storage maxes out at 16GB rather than 64GB with the N9. NFC is also inexplicably lacking, so the phone can't pair up with Nokia accessories and it probably won't be able to keep up future innovations that Nokia says its working on for Windows Phone 8 (aka Apollo).
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I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.

Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
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I do. I'm not impressed with the 800. Haven't been, either. But I just read something about the N9 that intrigued me. It has MeeGo and that's the only mobileOS I have never experienced.

Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
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software is more important to me than hardware. That's why I dont use android.

Lumia 900 experience

Hi, I recently preordered my Lumia 900 on the 30th. I was able to play around with the 900 while doing so. I noticed a few things compared to my current DVP. I love the screen on my DVP and think it looks awesome some may differ. One thing I did notice about the Lumia 900 is that the screeen sensitivity and scrolling didnt seem as fast as my DVP. I can flick the screen of my DVP and it scrolls very fast through the homepage. Colors seemed to be a bit washed out to me not as much as the Titan imo. Some people differ. On the DVP the colors seem to be very vibrant and alive. Not sure if it was due to the color choose the owner had or what but I didnt care to much for it but it didnt detour my decision to buy it. The lumia 900 felt light to me after coming from a DVP, this thing is heavy. Lumia 900 was also thinner and felt great and solid in the hand.
Few things I didnt get to test out was the volume of mic, speakerphone, and headphone jack. Nokia has been known for their loud speakerphones but not sure if they brought that over to WP. Output of the headphone jack is important to me but at the same time not really because I have a headphone amplifier that increases the volume because I use the headphones a lot.
But on the other hand im satisfied and cant wait to get my 900. Cant wait to see what apps Nokia will come up with. Im looking for an audio eq app from Nokia that would be great for me using my headphones a lot. But im going to enjoy my Lumia until the Nokia superphone comes out to replace my 900. I hope Nokia comes back to the states and take over like they did before. I remember when Nokia was the phone to get and they had tones of third party accessories for differentiating phones to whatever you wanted.

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Hi, I recently preordered my Lumia 900 on the 30th. I was able to play around with the 900 while doing so. I noticed a few things compared to my current DVP. I love the screen on my DVP and think it looks awesome some may differ. One thing I did notice about the Lumia 900 is that the screeen sensitivity and scrolling didnt seem as fast as my DVP. I can flick the screen of my DVP and it scrolls very fast through the homepage. Colors seemed to be a bit washed out to me not as much as the Titan imo. Some people differ. On the DVP the colors seem to be very vibrant and alive. Not sure if it was due to the color choose the owner had or what but I didnt care to much for it but it didnt detour my decision to buy it. The lumia 900 felt light to me after coming from a DVP, this thing is heavy. Lumia 900 was also thinner and felt great and solid in the hand.
Few things I didnt get to test out was the volume of mic, speakerphone, and headphone jack. Nokia has been known for their loud speakerphones but not sure if they brought that over to WP. Output of the headphone jack is important to me but at the same time not really because I have a headphone amplifier that increases the volume because I use the headphones a lot.
But on the other hand im satisfied and cant wait to get my 900. Cant wait to see what apps Nokia will come up with. Im looking for an audio eq app from Nokia that would be great for me using my headphones a lot. But im going to enjoy my Lumia until the Nokia superphone comes out to replace my 900. I hope Nokia comes back to the states and take over like they did before. I remember when Nokia was the phone to get and they had tones of third party accessories for differentiating phones to whatever you wanted.
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as an ex dvp owner I tend to agree with you. The screen was pretty good, and the scrolling speeds were amazing. Only the Samsung focus was on par with display. While the scrolling speed of the 900 is not the same, don't equate scrolling speed with overall speed. The 900 blazes.
As far as weight. The dvp was heavy, but it was a good heavy for me. The 900 is heavy in comparison between apples and oranges, but, to me, it fits nicely in my hands and does have a very good balance.
Perhaps the scrolling speed will have an adjustment somewhere

alodar1 said:
as an ex dvp owner I tend to agree with you. The screen was pretty good, and the scrolling speeds were amazing. Only the Samsung focus was on par with display. While the scrolling speed of the 900 is not the same, don't equate scrolling speed with overall speed. The 900 blazes.
As far as weight. The dvp was heavy, but it was a good heavy for me. The 900 is heavy in comparison between apples and oranges, but, to me, it fits nicely in my hands and does have a very good balance.
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You know the touch seemed to be more accurate on the 900 than the DVP. The DVP scroll speed is something I will miss but hopefully they will either have a fix or bring in a setting that can change this. When I did look in settings I didnt see anything that could change this but im moving on from the DVP, it will still be around if I dont like ATT service.

really, i have tried a lot of windows phone and have not seen that difference. I used a samsung focus, htc titan and tried the L900 that i too preordered but didnt notice this things.

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really, i have tried a lot of windows phone and have not seen that difference. I used a samsung focus, htc titan and tried the L900 that i too preordered but didnt notice this things.
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everyone has something they like, or don't like, best. Unless you had a Venue Pro, you may not know what we're talking about. The vp's up and done scrolling was incredible. A single flick with your finger could send scrolling forever. I've been exposed to most first Gen phones, the VP was the best at that flick.
Its such a small thing. The 900 is not broken by any means. Its just that in comparison, the VP could take off.
No big deal at all...

For me; I think im going to love the screen on this phone. I love Nokias clearblack technology displays. I would get the n9 if it was the same size as the lumia 900 since it has android and meego. ive only had HTCs really and a few other devices. and HTCs screens tend to not be the best.. also their build quality of their recent phones (sensation/amaze). I have the amaze right now and I plan on trading or selling for the lumia 900 asap last windows phone I had was the HD7 and I liked it but it had build problems and crappy sound/washed out colors. ive actually never seen a Nokia smartphone before so im pretty excited.
Unlocked of course, since i'm on tmo

stratax said:
For me; I think im going to love the screen on this phone. I love Nokias clearblack technology displays. I would get the n9 if it was the same size as the lumia 900 since it has android and meego. ive only had HTCs really and a few other devices. and HTCs screens tend to not be the best.. also their build quality of their recent phones (sensation/amaze). I have the amaze right now and I plan on trading or selling for the lumia 900 asap last windows phone I had was the HD7 and I liked it but it had build problems and crappy sound/washed out colors. ive actually never seen a Nokia smartphone before so im pretty excited.
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compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.

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compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.
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You know I honestly loved modding my Windows mobile devices, but now after owning WP I dont even feel the need to mod anymores. Dont know because Ive grown older or what but I dont even feel the urge to mod the way I use to

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You know I honestly loved modding my Windows mobile devices, but now after owning WP I dont even feel the need to mod anymores. Dont know because Ive grown older or what but I dont even feel the urge to mod the way I use to
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I was thinking about that the other day. I too modded my winnow to no end. So aneroid was attractive. I think thechange for me came when I realized that aneroid is one big mod, and operators allow a certain amont of it just to survive. In my opinion its leading to a huge mess.
With windows phone, stuff works out of box. Apps work. I don't have to worry about which version or which driver, etc.
That's not to say I'm 100% happy with winphone. I wish a slightly more flexible color scheme was in place. I would love black on white tiles,or white on black combos. I'm sure other people have their thoughts. I don't need the operating system ripped apart, or apps hacked and tweeked just run. If it wont run right on my phone, I don't want it. But that's just me..
I personally think android is getting ready to break. Too many low quality phones...too many os varients. Ice cream sandwhich is a great hit, and what's next...jelly bean? Too many exposed parts...just my opinion. I spend a lot of money each year on phones. The 900 will be my fourth this year, plus a kindle fire. I just want my phone reliable. Right now that means iphone or windows phones. Just too many broken andy Rubin looking things running around.

my experience with android is allright, i have an hp touchpad that i put ics on it and made wonders, but kinda bricked my samsung vibrant. Android is cool but i could never use it as a daily driver. I cant wait for my pre ordered nokia lumia 900! currently using an htc titan and cant stand the video lag that occurs every once in a while. Never happened on my focus but happens on the titan all the time.

Just read the reviews of One X on verge and Engadget, that phone looks gorgeous. Lumia 900 also looks gorgeous but not sure about the low resolution display of the WP7. I'm pretty sure WP8 will support higher resolution displays but it always bugs me on the current WP phones. Hope MS pushes the next gen of WP OS pretty fast.

My wife has a Asus transformer with ice. I liked the change at first but the OS still lags and gives problems. Not liking that. Android is a big mess and I never liked the UI layout at all. To cluttered.
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kirdroid said:
Just read the reviews of One X on verge and Engadget, that phone looks gorgeous. Lumia 900 also looks gorgeous but not sure about the low resolution display of the WP7. I'm pretty sure WP8 will support higher resolution displays but it always bugs me on the current WP phones. Hope MS pushes the next gen of WP OS pretty fast.
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dude, the one series will be awesome, the phone to beat, if HTC can pull it off. I was an avid HTC user until most recently when the quality just tanked. They've promised to restore the quality and build less variants. We'll see. Last HTC phone I like was the nexus one. If HTC can dupe that, winner!
But windows phone is mine now!!

alodar1 said:
compared to an hd7, this thing is s beast. Don't get me wrong, the hd7 is pretty DSM hood. But it's the poster child for old, taking its chasis design from the hd2. My girlfriend still uses it. She'll be getting my focus s next week.
After enduring a year or so of android, build quality is on top for me, followed by reliability. Both thongs seriously lacking in android. before any android lovers scream, android is fine...if you like modding. Otherwise its second rate...imo . Its a great tablet platform...fire and xoom.
I'm crossing my fingers that Nokia and ms hit a homerun here.
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back in 2010 it was my favorite phone, it was one of the best choices. I only had it for a few months before I traded for the atrix + $70 and was full of regret. yeah build quality with android devices is a huge problem. HTC just release the one s/x and they have really good build (looks like they copied a bit from nokia). but im tired of androids fragmentation. and the lumia 900 is really cheap for a new phone considering my amaze still sells for $400 on ebay which is ridiculous so im probably just going to trade.
yeah, android isn't bad I just don't use half of the features and I miss the super smooth-ness of wp7 and all the integrated Microsoft stuff.
apparently its the #1 selling phone right now
edit: http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/nokia/nokia-lumia-900-tops-amazons-att-best-sellers-list/