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Build quality ?

Hello
How is the build quality of Desire ?
I've heard its worse than Nexus one,is that right ?
BTW I have a TP2 now and wanted to upgrade so it should be the same or have better quality than it.
thanks

I think the build quality is very good. Only the mechanism that holds the battery cover sucks. Other than that, it's typical HTC build quality (i.e. amazing).

The tp2 feels like a solid brick in comparison. Mainly due to its thickness, weight and hard plastic.
Construction of the desire is generally good though.
I'm more worried about how easy it is to scratch. My silicone case doesn't cover up the front area where the hard keys are.

I would say, in terms of build quality.. G1 < Hero < Desire.
Had a very brief experience with Nexus but I would say the built quality is the same. Actually when you think about it.. Desire has better quality because of the optical trackpad

I saw pics of the nexus ones body coming off. No such problems here, much better quality than my previous Touch HD
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Can't complain. It's the best phone I ever had regarding build quality (and everything else pretty much ).

Its good, but I wouldn't want to be taking off the battery cover every day.
Eventually its going to brake.
Fon22

thanks for the replies guys much appreciated

hmmm bad experience for me, I've had 4 within a week. The first three had an off centre optical pad. ie the small space around the circular middle button was off. Anyway I gave up the fourth phone is pretty much perfect, but a small space down the left of the screen between the casing. hopefully the brandop screen protector and my case will hide the problem.
I felt my build quality on my Magic was much better.
happy anyways

To be honest I think the build quality it great! I have had mine since release and apart from the greasy prints it looks good as new!
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[Q] Arc or Neo

Hi All !
I'm just about to get new phone and decided it to be SE. I love Arc but also like Neo cuz is smaler and fit better in pocket but i have few concerns.
Image quality - is it same as Arc's ?
Speed - is it as fast as Arc ?
and because smaler screen will battery life be better ?
Regards
Marek

Read here:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=200485&start=420
Pics quality AFAIK is a bit worse than Arc.
Personally I would take Arc.

Both handsets use exactly the same camera module, so the quality of the photos they take should be broadly similar.
Obviously every individual handset will vary slightly, not every Arc will perform exactly the same but there's no reason why the Neo should be any worse than the Arc.
Same goes for speed, both handsets use the same CPU/SoC and have the same amount of RAM.
As for battery life, I doubt there'll be much difference.
Yes the Neo has a smaller screen and that's an advantage but it's not a colossal size difference.

What's the difference between Neo and Ray?

The Ray has a smaller screen and an aluminium body.
All three (Arc, Neo and Ray) use basically the same hardware.

I would choose Ray over Neo because Ray looks stunning.

ray will be available in August and i like neo.
Q: why Neo screen is not as good as Arc's ? apart from size what specs are different ?

mareq78 said:
Q: why Neo screen is not as good as Arc's ? apart from size what specs are different ?
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Who says it's not as good?
It's the same tech, just a smaller panel - which means it has a better pixel density.

I was reading few reviews and apparently Neo screen is not as bright as Arc screen.

I don't know what reviews you've been reading but GSMArena's measurements of the two screens have the Neo's display as brighter than the Arc's.

for me, Arc is the best one. I'm still don't know with Neo...

Get the arc... It's beautiful and has a premium look . I am very happy with it. Great headphone quality too . You will love it for sure
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Arc for it's looks and only that...other same sized AND priced phones out there that have twice the ram and double the cores.
Neo for size, front facing camera, and hdmi out (that looks terrible on big screen)
Ray for front facing camera and portability with power. Ray gets my vote!

i got Neo and i very happy with it ! lovely phone !

Why did you buy S-E Arc?

Hello everybody,
actually Im a big fan of HTC-Devices and Sense. Everything startet with a HTC Blackstone and Windows-Mobile. Currently Im using a HTC Legend and Desire (private & work).
Meanwhile Im bored of the Design of HTC. To thick to "normal".
So now the Xperia Arc comes in. Wundervoll design, thin and compare to the measures small. Disadvantage for me is the USB-Port on the side for the dockingstation (New trend?) and the missing front camera.
But mybe there are other advantages than the design that I missed.
Actually what I want to ask is, why did you buy the ARC?

grossermanitu said:
Actually what I want to ask is, why did you buy the ARC?
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I have also used many models of HTCphone, I have changed to SE Arc for 3 months.
With Arc I'm happy because it has a lot of things better than HTC phones such as Arc has good radio, clear sound, its screen looks like Bravia TV. With Arc's camera I can have a lot of very beautiful pictures on days or night especially with added software Arc can take nice panorama picture and more...

I'm a SE-fanboy, liking the Arc and my X10 started to reboot often so I got it.
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I like Sony Mobile Bravia Engine, the Reality Display and the arc shape.

reasons why i bought the Arc:
- I'm a big SE fan, had a X10 but was missing 'some things'(vague, i know)
- Big 4.2" screen (with the bravia engine it looks great)
- Really good camera quality in day & night(and it takes a picture fast)
- The design: just look at the thing man! (let's be honnest all phone in the xperia range look very good)

Most SE designs look like they are made to my taste. Or you can also say others make phones that look ugly to my taste .
But I wish SE can improve the build quality of their phones to feel more solid and use more metal. I find HTC phones to have much better build quality than SE phones but somehow their phone designs don't interest me.
Samsung is a joke. They just copy everyone. To me, their best looking phone is Captivate and it looks somewhat like X10.

I have a desire. It's nice but not as nice as the arc. The pictures, audio quality and radio on the desire is appalling.
After playing with an arc in a store the camera is excellent, the audio quality is superb the radio works and the screen is beautifull.....but why SE why have such crap build quality?
I am looking forward to the RAY and that may be my next phone.

Xperia ray is beautiful but smaller. For me... Arc is suitable. Smaller than Dell streak and bigger than ray.
Gunawan - GN Multimedia - Xperia Arc

Killingly cool design
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1. design 2. camera 3. interface design. After using an atrix i decided a dualcore wasn't worth it for what i needed to do and would rather trade it for the "curvaceous" arc. Brother has a SGS2 and it is awesome, but the stock samsung ROM really leaves a lot to be desired design wise. Have a look at their stock dialer. blegh.
edit: oh yea, cant forget about the screen. Perfect size and looks great.

gk_terato said:
1. design 2. camera 3. interface design. After using an atrix i decided a dualcore wasn't worth it for what i needed to do and would rather trade it for the "curvaceous" arc. Brother has a SGS2 and it is awesome, but the stock samsung ROM really leaves a lot to be desired design wise. Have a look at their stock dialer. blegh.
edit: oh yea, cant forget about the screen. Perfect size and looks great.
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Exactly my first thoughts. Dont know what happened to HTC. But hey a good chance to see sth. different.
Ps:I just bought my Arc on Amazon Warehousedeals 304,-€

i saw it and wanted it
looks good
good camera
and i dont need a front camera

gunawan-1 said:
Xperia ray is beautiful but smaller. For me... Arc is suitable. Smaller than Dell streak and bigger than ray.
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I actually enjoyed the fact that Ray is small, but still packs almost the same features of Arc, sometimes i fell the x10 is already too big and Arc is even bigger. But i'll wait a little longer until buying a new device, my old x10 still serves me well and there's a lot of cool stuff being released, i'm not even sure if my next phone will be a SE but i do like their designs a lot.

a friend took me to sony store
hold the arc, dummy set even (high quality ofcos) and fall in love, feels great in my hand, desire hd looks outdated
ditch my HTC desire HD for arc design, camera, better speaker, love the home button for turning on the screen rather then power button way up the top, and it feels great in my pocket, but usually protected in my waist pouch 95% of the time
if you wan speed and nothing else, sgs2 with dual core and 1gb of ram will be your choice

My main reason for buying it was for 100% live view compatibility...
how disappointed was I!!

For me, it's the design. Big screen with BE and of course, the caméra.
I always liked the design of SE phones and will like for their future designes.
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the price mainly
The brand
The camera
The screen size
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- Nice design, really sexy
- good camera for both picture and video
- stable performance.
- good brand
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Brand
Camera
UI
Screen
Design
Weight

* Looks
* Camera
* Screen
* Thinness (makes the phone pocketable despite the large screen)
* Rootable, Unlockable bootloader
The brand was actually a huge negative for me - i loathe and distrust sony. I only bought after i managed to convince myself that SE are an entirely separate company.

Arc S camera is getting worse?

My gf own an Arc S, and after nearly one year of using slightly.
I notice that the camera is getting worse, the color is dull and not sharp, even the detail.
I compare to another Arc buy at the same time, the color is brighter and better.
Arc is running 2.3. Arc S 4.0.4

shokuhawan said:
My gf own an Arc S, and after nearly one year of using slightly.
I notice that the camera is getting worse, the color is dull and not sharp, even the detail.
I compare to another Arc buy at the same time, the color is brighter and better.
Arc is running 2.3. Arc S 4.0.4
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You sure, the camera glass is not covered with crap?

Mine has also gotten much worse, and it's probably the hardware.
It's glass, it collects dust and gets scratched.

Xperia z vs Xperia ZL..A close comparison

Ok had a play with ZL and XZ in a local store..I am surprised by these things:
As we know most things about the XZ i wont go onto those points..rather ZL.
1. ZL is more brighter and better contrast than XZ..And no the values of calibration were set to 0 on ZL..i put up sony live wallpaper [purple] on both and ZL was visibly more brighter and vibrant!I Wonder what was sony thinking not giving its flagship that same screen? :/
2. Sound through headphones and speakers both were better on ZL..Dont know why? i can understand speakers bcoz of water proofing.
3. Easier to use due to small size and withe same size screen is a plus.
And alas i am confused :/ Dont wanna loose the build quality of XZ but want a brighter screen too!

Have any pictures that you can post for us?

randy_c said:
Have any pictures that you can post for us?
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I will be posing pictures and videos of mine in a few hours! Damn fedex didnt say it would had came yesterday doesnt even show on the tracking but they left a stupid note.

Does the little door on the back for the sim/micro sd make the phone look cheap cause you can see it and it doesn't 100% look flush? I'm on the fence because I haven't seen the phone and it might make it look/feel cheap because of this.

tenshi888 said:
Does the little door on the back for the sim/micro sd make the phone look cheap cause you can see it and it doesn't 100% look flush? I'm on the fence because I haven't seen the phone and it might make it look/feel cheap because of this.
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Nah, its perfect fit on mine (one needs to press the flap firmly to make it fit flush). And it only looks elegant to me (i like it better than glass back on XZ), not to mention the better (more comfortable) grip it provides esp. for single hand use wrt XZ. I would suggest you to go n have a look at it in person. Also, i find the overall build quality of XZL better than my Xperia S and far better than my Note 2 :good:!
P.S: I compared the ZL screen with two XZs and found that it (ZL) screen had better contrast/vibrance than one XZ but no discernible difference with another one. The internal speakers on ZL are louder than Z. Then there are other apparent differences (size, placement of front & back camera etc.). One thing that i'm really enjoying on ZL is the notification LED at the bottom, pretty awesome n unique imo :victory:!

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Nah, its perfect fit on mine (one needs to press the flap firmly to make it fit flush). And it only looks elegant to me (i like it better than glass back on XZ), not to mention the better (more comfortable) grip it provides esp. for single hand use wrt XZ. I would suggest you to go n have a look at it in person. Also, i find the overall build quality of XZL better than my Xperia S and far better than my Note 2 :good:!
P.S: I compared the ZL screen with two XZs and found that it (ZL) screen had better contrast/vibrance than one XZ but no discernible difference with another one. The internal speakers on ZL are louder than Z. Then there are other apparent differences (size, placement of front & back camera etc.). One thing that i'm really enjoying on ZL is the notification LED at the bottom, pretty awesome n unique imo :victory:!
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Thanks for the information, i do love the ZL at least on paper. How's the shutter key, is there a long delay in opening the camera app after pressing it? Finally, does the phone feel thick at 9.8? Thanks again!

tenshi888 said:
Thanks for the information, i do love the ZL at least on paper. How's the shutter key, is there a long delay in opening the camera app after pressing it? Finally, does the phone feel thick at 9.8? Thanks again!
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Shutter key is good (actually better than my Xperia S). It launches the camera app in 1-1.5 sceonds from sleep (i.e no delay imo). Once camera app is ready, pressing the shutter key zaps the image with no delay/lag. And no, the phone actually doesn't feel thick to me, maybe because of the curved back. My note2 felt thicker (at 9.4mm). XZ is slimmer but not as much as one would think compared to ZL (given 7.9mm vs 9.8mm).

tenshi888 said:
Does the little door on the back for the sim/micro sd make the phone look cheap cause you can see it and it doesn't 100% look flush? I'm on the fence because I haven't seen the phone and it might make it look/feel cheap because of this.
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yes it does look cheap as u can clearly see the gap as much as u push it in..it looks like an after jod..they shud have put it on the sides like the XZ.
And as far as looks and feel go u cant compare it to XZ..XZ just looks way more premium than ZL..ZL's front is great but the back looks cheap,,just holding the XZ makes u wanna take it home

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yes it does look cheap as u can clearly see the gap as much as u push it in..it looks like an after jod..they shud have put it on the sides like the XZ.
And as far as looks and feel go u cant compare it to XZ..XZ just looks way more premium than ZL..ZL's front is great but the back looks cheap,,just holding the XZ makes u wanna take it home
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Lol.. certainly not! The sim/sd card slot door/flap fits snugly and doesn't look odd as you state. To prefer matte or glossy back is personal choice but i don't think anything with nice matte finish could be considered cheap! XZ is a beautiful phone, but i'm not a big fan of glossy back as it gets dirty easily (and then really looks cheap ), not to mention the odd / uncomfortable grip while holding an edged flat slab. And i think the front of ZL has killer looks, much better than XZ especially with the screen on & superb LED at bottom (due to same 5" screen fit onto much smaller bezel.. go figure)!
About the premium look or feel, I feel both XZ & ZL possess the premium looks but ZL has better feel in hand, its again personal preference! Currently don't have my camera, so can't post some nice pics of my ZL now. But i managed these from web (see attachments).

ethan3686 said:
yes it does look cheap as u can clearly see the gap as much as u push it in..it looks like an after jod..they shud have put it on the sides like the XZ.
And as far as looks and feel go u cant compare it to XZ..XZ just looks way more premium than ZL..ZL's front is great but the back looks cheap,,just holding the XZ makes u wanna take it home
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I agree that Sony should have put the SD and SIM slots on the sides. The assflap design choice makes no sense to me. However, that said, the ZL feels as 'premium' as the Z does. Now I am not saying this just because I have the ZL. I could have as well bought the Z, but it gets really uncomfortable to hold with to flat surfaces. Play with both for some time and you'll see

If there's a brightness difference between them, there's probably a water/dust related coating on the Z screen that isn't on the ZL.

ok just a correction..What i had seen was a demo unit which [i dont know why] has less brightness and contrast..Saw a retail Xperia Z and its very bright and there is no difference in Z AND ZL...Sorry for my not having researched!

Hmmm great comparison you have! Anyway I really like the waterproofing feature from the Xperia ZL!

AndroidDude11 said:
Hmmm great comparison you have! Anyway I really like the waterproofing feature from the Xperia ZL!
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