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Moderators...you Are Losing It...

Hey Guys...there Are As Many As Five Forums Requested Of Late And The Mods Have Just Not Waken Up.
Htc Gene
Htc Phoebus
Htc Vogue
Htc Shift
Htc Polaris
....guys This Thread Is Dedicated To All The People Who Want Their Own Forum. And Lets Start Voting To Show The Strength.....
+1 Vote :d :d :d :d

well not sure about the other devices but the shift has not being released yet! for sale so a forum would be of little use at the moment but once the people who own these devices increase we can expect a change. but not till then. and also lets not be negtive these guys perform a great service to us and dont get paid they only get my and hopefully others respect and support....

just FYI Mod's CANNOT create new forums.

STILL
hey i agree that the mods do a lot for us .... on the other hand if the mods alone cant create sub forums...who can do it...coz if there will be forums ..people will automatically join..and when people will join thr will be constructive discussions goin on...even if it is for a TO BE released fone...aint it

nyxneo said:
hey i agree that the mods do a lot for us .... on the other hand if the mods alone cant create sub forums...who can do it...coz if there will be forums ..people will automatically join..and when people will join thr will be constructive discussions goin on...even if it is for a TO BE released fone...aint it
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Only the admins can add new forums, of thoses admins i think only 1, Flar, is active and she has the flu atm...

nyxneo said:
Hey Guys...there Are As Many As Five Forums Requested Of Late And The Mods Have Just Not Waken Up.
Htc Gene
Htc Phoebus
Htc Vogue
Htc Shift
Htc Polaris
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Hi All,
My apologies for not responding earlier but as midget explained I wasn't able to due to sickness.
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
Gene and Phoebus are still under discussion within the mod forum.
I hope everyone understands that we don't create a forum for every device HTC thinks up (although we'd love to) but we are short on space and for every new forum we need mods to support them..
HTH HAND,
Flar

hii flar
well i can understand ur side...but HTC has just not thought about the GENE.....GENE is selling hotcake majorly.....plz do sumthin about it....
nikhil

what about a nike forum ... i got one. it is on sale at least in uk and germany.

When you check the new posts,you see only the Kaiser,Elf and Tytn under discussion.I own a gene,but I think the factors standing in the way of its forum are:
1. Nobody can come up with a WM6 upgrade. No point in discussing something that doesnt have any issues/problems. What are we gonna do at that forum,brag about a stable handset?Really,now.
2. Not enough Gene owners speaking out.No advanced users interested in tinkering with it.The ROM Kitchens arent very helpful to the RUU either.
3. Refer to point no.1

Flar said:
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
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touch dual is "nike", "vogue" is touch for USA (CDMA) with different chipset from original touch and dual... Completely different devices
please, add a forum for touch dual aka htc nike

forum for HTC TOUCH DUAL
YES YES YES...please, add a forum for touch dual aka htc nike

Yes please. The Touch Dual needs to have a separate forum!

Flar said:
Hi All,
My apologies for not responding earlier but as midget explained I wasn't able to due to sickness.
The HTC vogue has been added if i'm not mistaken this is the codename for the touch dual.
The HTC shift has been added.
The HTC polaris is added.
Gene and Phoebus are still under discussion within the mod forum.
I hope everyone understands that we don't create a forum for every device HTC thinks up (although we'd love to) but we are short on space and for every new forum we need mods to support them..
HTH HAND,
Flar
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What about HTC Cavalier, it's more than 3 months that I've made a request for ia new forum???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319855&highlight=cavalier
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321724&highlight=cavalier
Cheers.

Vukile said:
When you check the new posts,you see only the Kaiser,Elf and Tytn under discussion.
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No Way. On the forum home page there is indeed a "no new posts" icon in front of Himalaya WM6, but that's not correct. The Hima is very much alive and kicking and so are the Hima community and the WM6 cooks.

Maggy said:
No Way. On the forum home page there is indeed a "no new posts" icon in front of Himalaya WM6, but that's not correct. The Hima is very much alive and kicking and so are the Hima community and the WM6 cooks.
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So you mean to say that some PDAs have had forums for so long they ran out of things to talk about?Thanks for the support.

No, I mean that there is actually a lot of exciting action going on in the Hima board. Hima rules.

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No, I mean that there is actually a lot of exciting action going on in the Hima board. Hima rules.
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So youre saying if we had our own forums we'd be enjoying the same exciting action? Your generosity knows no bounds.

Vukile said:
So youre saying if we had our own forums we'd be enjoying the same exciting action? Your generosity knows no bounds.
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Of course I hope you get your own boards. But you'll have to create your own exciting action, I'm affraid. Why not start the action in here, in the general discussion area? Publish an exciting ROM, a kitchen and some interresting questions about your device right here and soon enough the admins will transfer them to your own brand new area. At least that's what I'd expect. I'm not an admin or a moderator.

Personally, I think the current list needs to be categorised into generations because despite having a screen resolution of 1280x1024, it remains an absolute pain in the arse to scroll through everything to find the forum you want to go to... perhaps firstly categorising the phones into their various "generations" with no pictures just names (although a horizontal line of phone images across the top similar to the wiki would be good since that wouldn't bloat things too badly) but overall, the idea of just dumping them into Generation categories would save on a hell of a lot of scrolling in any case, and images at the top can enable the casual idiots to find the correct phone.
That's my thinking anyway.

Maggy said:
Of course I hope you get your own boards. But you'll have to create your own exciting action, I'm affraid. Why not start the action in here, in the general discussion area? Publish an exciting ROM, a kitchen and some interresting questions about your device right here and soon enough the admins will transfer them to your own brand new area. At least that's what I'd expect. I'm not an admin or a moderator.
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Id rather excite the wallet of some programmer who comes up with the ROM I want.That, as you say, will set the benchmark/starting point,which is what I said in my first post on this forum.
Btw,forgive the sarcasm in my previous posts. I was watching BBC News and they were putting words in some guys mouth. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

[Q] WP7 on Desire?

will it be possible for ppl to port wp7 onto the desire? altho it's probably strictly not legal cos of the closedness of wp7..

honestly.. why?

How many times are we going to see the exact same question posted over and over (and over)? Did you think to search before posting? Wait, don't answer that, it's a stupid question since we all know the answer already (you're obviously pressed for time since you couldn't be bothered to type all of the letters in some of your words)
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

you got more chance of getting windows 7 on your desire lol

+1 for wp7 on desire
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atomfix said:
+1 for wp7 on desire
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well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom

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well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom
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Oh, is that all

AndroHero said:
well first of all your gunna have to buy a licence, then your going to have to brick a few desires while you modify your radio to work with the os, then all you have to do it write all the drivers and modify the desire's bootloader structure, and finaly cook a rom
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Pshhhhh, can do that in an evening...

Why W7 when android but rapes all other mobile OS?

People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.

CrimzonEyed said:
Why W7 when android but rapes all other mobile OS?
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i like android but it abso does not 'rapes all other....'. gpu acceleration of the UI, for some utterly retarded reason, is missing and that makes the phone laggy at times when you're multitasking.
modern phones like ours have gpus and the damn UI should have been hardware accelerated as of android 2.1.
our desires as they are now (2.2) with hard accel or the UI would make it iphone/winmo 7 smooth (winmo is smooth - see hte anandtech article on it).
that's what i want for my desire above anything else at the moment - well, that and the ability to do the absolutely 100% legal task of recording my calls.
google are so stupid sometimes. hopefully winmo and a decent webos phone will light a fire under em to get some of the basics right before moving on to something else.

fraW said:
People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.
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Its harder than that. Yeah, Android can be ported to devices becaise its open source.
And how are there no good answers? I guess youve just completely ignored AndroHeros reply, and fhe 2 people who have quoted him... [/rage]
Sent from my HTC Desire

fraW said:
People have bothered to run Android on iPhone, so why wouldn't people try to run WP7 on an Android Device?
HTC is releasing 5 phones at moment with WP7, some of them have similar HW to Desire.
People keep asking because there are no good answers to this topic.
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There have been plenty of good answers (which generally are "no, because WP7 is closed source"). The definition of a good answer usually is "the answer is more or less correct" whereas your definition of a good answer appears to be the same as what my kids would define as a good answer in response to "dad can I..." questions - meaning "yes, of course you can."

jstegeman said:
There have been plenty of good answers (which generally are "no, because WP7 is closed source"). The definition of a good answer usually is "the answer is more or less correct" whereas your definition of a good answer appears to be the same as what my kids would define as a good answer in response to "dad can I..." questions - meaning "yes, of course you can."
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+1
Indeed!
Just because people don't like the answer that's given doesn't make it a bad answer, or any less correct (assuming it is correct!).
And there is *no* excuse for not using search. From the forum rules:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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Note that this is rule 1! The OP is not a newbie, so should have known better!
Regards,
Dave

Sure WP7 is closed source, but closed source has never stopped devs before.
The answer "No" with nothing else following it is generally a really bad answer, for many reasons.
It is possible to port WP7 to desire, the question is rather Who and When then If.
People said that the PS3 NEVER will be hacked, look what happened 4 years later.
Don't be so closed minded.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I don't really understand the pessimism. Many handsets that didn't get officially WinMo 6.5 EVER, got it from ROM chefs here at XDA. Why should it be different this time?

This has been asked and answered quite a few times. Search and Google are your friends.
Thread closed.

[Q] HTC HD2 and WP7

The HTC HD2 can now dual boot android and windows phone 7. I know that the hardware of the two phones are near-identical. Would it be possible to port WP7 to the Evo as well? If so, is anyone doing so?
btw: Don't flame, this is a specifically development related question; I only want your input if you have something relevant to say.

zorack8000 said:
The HTC HD2 can now dual boot android and windows phone 7. I know that the hardware of the two phones are near-identical. Would it be possible to port WP7 to the Evo as well? If so, is anyone doing so?
btw: Don't flame, this is a specifically development related question; I only want your input if you have something relevant to say.
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ha, you can put meego, ubuntu, winmo 6.5, win7, and android 2.3(?) on it...its ridiculous lol

you are in the wrong section, yes you want a developers input but you are asking a question about a WM phone in an Android rom section......
now think whats going to happen........

Despite his subject line, his question is about the Evo... however, I think the Q&A section would be a better place for this thread.

This has been asked about 5 or so times in this section(dev, but looks like its been moved).. unfortunately .... and has been trolled into oblivion.
please search before littering.. Im not trying to put you down.. but putting WINMO7 on the EVO is like asking to put a lawn mower engine in a Ferrari.. why hinder the performance.
and even mentioning WINMO here is blasphemous .. Just saying..

Sorry to bump an old thread, but with the leaked Sprint 'Gold' (HTC 7 Pro) WP7 ROM on the net and the HD2 working pretty well, are we any closer to a possible EVO WP7?

brennen.exe said:
Sorry to bump an old thread, but with the leaked Sprint 'Gold' (HTC 7 Pro) WP7 ROM on the net and the HD2 working pretty well, are we any closer to a possible EVO WP7?
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No...
1) No one has said they are working on it.
2) I'm sure XDA would not allow it on the site due to Microsoft license (before you ask, it isn't license for our phone. Like swype can only be included in roms that it comes stock in)

Well I knew nobody was working on it, I was just curious about the possibility. I figured the licensing would be a touchy issue, but I honestly wasn't sure where exactly XDA stood in that regard considering the HD2 seems to have full support. Just curious, really.

tyrnight said:
and even mentioning WINMO here is blasphemous .. Just saying..
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why? we all came from winmo devices. all android is, is a better version of that, same principle and fanbase. sorry but i had to say it.

[Q] multi touch

Is it just my desire or its a problem with every ones desire that multi touch doesnt work properly?
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it's not that good as iphone
but i think it's ok

Try multitouch vis app and youll see thats smnthngs not working well
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Desire doesn't have full multi touch, only pinch to zoom support

The reason multitouch is not working well, is that the desire never have and never will have a screen that supports multitouch(this was not advertised either). So what you refer to as "doesn't work properly" is actually non existing.
What we do have is dual touch(2 touch inputs) and yes it works well for simple gestures like pinch to zoom, but because of inaccuracy it has problems when the 2 touch inputs is on or close to the same axis(x or y).
And the simple answer is yes it's not just your device.

Like no one ever asked this question before
you are a fkin retard

dzumagos said:
Like no one ever asked this question before
you are a fkin retard
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dzumagos said:
Like no one ever asked this question before
you are a fkin retard
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I'm glad you chose to use your valuable time to fill our otherwise useful forum with a completely useless post. If you want to educate new users you will want to actually suggest what to do better. Otherwise please stay away. I'm not saying you're the retard, but you come very close.
The topic have been answered and should be closed before more people start spamming the thread to enlarge their e-p*nis.
And a final comment on the above quote. Yes you(topic-starter) should have searched through the forum first in which case you would have found the very same question answered several times.

mortenmhp said:
I'm glad you chose to use your valuable time to fill our otherwise useful forum with a completely useless post. If you want to educate new users you will want to actually suggest what to do better. Otherwise please stay away. I'm not saying you're the retard, but you come very close.
The topic have been answered and should be closed before more people start spamming the thread to enlarge their e-p*nis.
And a final comment on the above quote. Yes you(topic-starter) should have searched through the forum first in which case you would have found the very same question answered several times.
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over last two months the number of topics that treat about the very same problem has risen dramatically.
hell we even have a few topics on S-OFF and custom hboots DAILY
this has to end

dzumagos said:
over last two months the number of topics that treat about the very same problem has risen dramatically.
hell we even have a few topics on S-OFF and custom hboots DAILY
this has to end
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no need to nerd-rage at newbies.

Attention, so called "devs"!

Until this will be moved, read this. I'm sure most of you will find yourself in that article:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...om-developers-i-think-we-need-to-have-a-talk/

Definitely +1 on this one, I'm getting sick of 20 Sense ROMs which have the most confusing names ever.

Hear hear.

I don't see any problem.
Each of the chefs offers features that others don't. Personally I've found a nice home with Alex V's hybrid of Sense 2.1 and 3.0. It's odexed for great speed and has built in rock solid data 2 ext. Works for me.
It's best not to be so bitter Terepin, or of course you could choose a more 'homogenised' OS - which at some point you were considering, I believe. Where are you on that?

Except that Alex IS a developer, not a wannabe dev.

AMEN to that... **** I haven't even tried 75% of the ROMs for the Desire.. I mean thanks a million for spending so much time developing it but...
a lot are based on "OMFGAWESOMESENSEROM1" or "BESTAOSPROMEVER".. and it makes you wonder what the difference between that one is and the ROM it's "based" on other than minor tweaks here and there... Fair enough if you make MASSIVE changes to it, you obviously need to start from somewhere, but taking a ROM giving it a spit shine and slapping on your own branding does not work lol
One ROM has this bug fixed and another present, and another the exact opposite, it'd be nice to see all the devs who are e.g. working on a Sense 3 ROM.. to work together and make one awesome Sense 3 ROM instead of 5.. Of course I'm not saying that doesn't already happen because everyone HELPS each other out.. but imagine what kind of product could be outputted if everyone worked as a team on one large scale project, and take the Cyanogenmod team as their role models.
*gets into bomb shelter*

Alex is a responsive, friendly and kind guy. He's often helped out noobs (with a great investment of time) and I've also seen him give a lot of tips to people who do technically know what they're doing. However, he himself gives thanks to Coolexe and others that have taught him good stuff.
What the AP article seems to be saying is that:
1) the forums might be confusing for a beginner due to the vast number of ROMs and their variety in quality, and
2)new users might not know exactly what they're doing when they flash their first ROM
To which I respond:
1) The chaos breeds gems, some developers start off with ROMs that are bug-plagued nightmares but then either improve or disappear off the list (people power!). If you're going to have the kind of policing of ROMs that AP want, who does it?
2) Everyone's confused when they flash their first ROM, I certainly wasn't sure EXACTLY what was happening to my phone. Being here is a learning experience for users and devs.
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Once you know what the terms in the title mean then it's easy to distinguish. D2EXT, A2SD, Odexed/Deodexed etc... It's not too hard. Jeez, why do people want everything laid out on a plate for them?
To those who find the choice confusing maybe a simpler hobby would be more to your taste. Maybe knitting? Or trainspotting?

revthanki said:
It's best not to be so bitter Terepin, or of course you could choose a more 'homogenised' OS - which at some point you were considering, I believe. Where are you on that?
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The problem is that right now, we have an, at first sight, more "heterogenised" OS than it really, is, because 50% of the ROMs are MOD ROMs.
I think that even I!!! could post a "ROM" and call myself a dev as someones do. In fact, I have a very modified ROM, but it's something that every one without any informatics knowledge can do. I've just read some tutorials to make a ROM, based on CM7, with an alternate kernel, odexed, some apps deleted, some apps added, themed,
And call myself a dev makes me laugh to death. So I think all the "new devs" should be more self-effacing (word taken from google translator, hope it's ok ) and think that ROM development is NOT for everyone. You need to know a lot that is impossible to learn just by reading xda. Every advanced user can MOD a ROM and share it for the more newbies, but always leaving the name of the ROM and all the credits to the real developer.

the Slovak guy spams again, u keep facepalming everytime u see noobs post in dev section , but u're not much different, next time post ur spam in "Desire General"

The only real solution to this problem is to do the same thing as the SGS2 forum moderators did. Split the development forum into Original and Mod sections. Frankly this should happen automatically on every HTC device forum IMHO.
As for the devs, yes most of the big names have moved on to other devices.
If, however you want to see some real development action right now, you should definately check out the IRC ICS dev channel. That's were real development is going on atm.

Totally agree. I make these minor customizations and add my own themes to my device, but I would never consider posting one of these for general use, or claiming for a second I've done anything significant compared to the real devs who make cyanogen or various other great ROMs. Doing some research and slowly self teaching yourself basic development is a great thing to do. But unless you've created an original ROM, ideally as close to from scratch as possible and thoroughly tested it don't post it on these forums.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

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the Slovak guy spams again, u keep facepalming everytime u see noobs post in dev section , but u're not much different, next time post ur spam in "Desire General"
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Nice try, dude. Except one small tiny thingy: That this thread is meant for wannabe developers. It isn't question, it isn't need for help, nor it isn't chit-chat about weather. And with my "spam" agrees most of users here, furthermore, I'm not author of that "spam".

revthanki said:
I don't see any problem.
Each of the chefs offers features that others don't. Personally I've found a nice home with Alex V's hybrid of Sense 2.1 and 3.0. It's odexed for great speed and has built in rock solid data 2 ext. Works for me.
It's best not to be so bitter Terepin, or of course you could choose a more 'homogenised' OS - which at some point you were considering, I believe. Where are you on that?
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Except that Alex IS a developer, not a wannabe dev.
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Alex is a responsive, friendly and kind guy. He's often helped out noobs (with a great investment of time) and I've also seen him give a lot of tips to people who do technically know what they're doing. However, he himself gives thanks to Coolexe and others that have taught him good stuff.
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he he thx
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to [email protected] the beginning i also patched other roms to have my personal rom...but i don´t put it online (only cool3d runny...and this was only to give people who want sense 3.5 a feel that odexed is faster )
anyway....i think: for start rom development its a good thing to start with custom roms and change the things for personal use...but dont put it online
if you have the skills (from learning with the custom roms from other devs) then make a own rom...and put it online....
i never learned out...we need people like snq, seo, Neophyte, baadnewz, robocik, snq-, ownhere, coutts, melethron, Leedroid, Sub501, coolexe, sibere, droidzone and all we others...to learn...
a good thing would be if people like seo (ported the sense 3 lockscreen and weather), or ownhere for understand more the sqlite patch and how to find values in hex codes for newer roms....or or... - can make a little how to (so poeple can learn this and make it self)
thats why i answer much questions...so i hope the people understand what they do..
i searched also for a good how to to unserstand making kernels...but not found a really nice one...
with kind regards..Alex

Terepin said:
Nice try, dude. Except one small tiny thingy: That this thread is meant for wannabe developers. It isn't question, it isn't need for help, nor it isn't chit-chat about weather. And with my "spam" agrees most of users here, furthermore, I'm not author of that "spam".
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Put on some glasses, i didn't write "Q&A", i said "Desire General" , and Desire General is meant for this type of crap, so writing it in dev. section is spam , yes.

Crap? This is how truth is calling these days?

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Crap? This is how truth is calling these days?
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i agree with what is said in the article, but that's not the point, this is not the place to post it, rules that u want to be applied on others u should accept to be applied on u too, so next time when u insult "noobs" for openning a thread in the wrong place remember this one too and retell the insults to urself also , coz then it will be fair.

You know that article ain't about Desire, right? It's about ROM developers in general. So, by logic, which section is more suitable?

Mostly agree with the article. I hate when someone posts a kang and calls it a ROM. Nice racket we made with a$$paktyn case as the most recent example hehe
What I don't agree with is that developers should continue development indefinitely for legacy devices. You should follow their upgrade pattern if you were happy with their work, not the other way around.
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The only real solution to this problem is to do the same thing as the SGS2 forum moderators did. Split the development forum into Original and Mod sections.
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This is exactly what drove Neophyte from these forums, whose rom was a customized rom+theme+own kernel. As complete rom as it gets. So I disagree with separation, but insist on repression against kang.
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Terepin said:
You know that article ain't about Desire, right? It's about ROM developers in general. So, by logic, which section is more suitable?
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how about here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=565

Nope, I wanted to address this article directly to our "devs".