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New Rom Poll Rate Your Fav And Say Your Like And What Can Be Improved.. N00bs Wecome.

Ok i said i would make a new one so here goes. This is a place where you can tell what you like about a rom and what you think could be adressed. Please keep it on topic and Maybe the new people can look here first and pick which rom they will flash but before you do please read the Wiki and all the other posts that are stickys and there is a great upgrade guide made by MrVanx which can be found here! So go read... Anyone that has something negative to say well I could careless cuz I'm not here to make friends just pimp my Hermes! this place is full of great cooks and true WM guru's read and learn not post and ask is your best bet in the start
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Black 3.5 is not included since it is no longer posted or supported on this forum however my black 3.5 super lite is
Please Note new comers that we do not have the time to give nice happy responses to questions that have been asked 1000000 of times so its best to search about your issue or question before starting a new thread I have warned you and will now say that with starting a new thread you leave yourself open to being flamed and abused in all kinds of ways if your question has been talked about before....

this is a good idea. I will be creating an excel spreadsheet to document this if we get some good responses. chefs contact me for log.

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Whats good for one user is not good for another thats why the poll does not make sense. An updated chart of tweaks, programs installed and kernel and perhaps what the rom is geared towards would be more useful.

lets all grow up a little.. if you dont like a thread that someone made then dont post..
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I voted LVSW. It is a Vanilla flavor of a STABLE ROM. I have my own CABs for anything else I use. Did I mention it was STABLE!!!!!

shogunmark said:
lets all grow up a little.. if you dont like a thread that someone made then dont post..
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Well it's not the first time you delete threads that hit the heart of a topic, remember when i started a thread on WM6 for the Herms long before WM6 was even a thought of running on the Herms and you deleted posts in my thread and changed my topic? It's all kiss ass even between some of the mods here if you ask me In the end this poll still SUCKS!!!

I picked LSVW after using all of Blacks ROM's that produced unstable results with MMS and repeated resets.

As I have only flashed and run two of the WM6 ROMs that have been posted, I don't really know how valid my vote is, but I chose Custel's work. I decided to try his 2.5 Cingular version mainly because of the way Custel handles himself in the forum, and also because of the good reviews he was getting in his threads.
This ROM has been very stabile on my device, even with the plethora of apps I choose to install. It is faster than any of the ROMs I've used, including a few shipped versions of WM5, and the storage and program space it gives me is wonderful.
My gratitude goes out to Custel, all the other chefs, and also to the brilliant people who've created the various tools required to pull off this ... um ... competition. And also to XDA-DEV for it's hosting of this fabulous site.
Regards,
-pvs

Black???
Departure Jasjammina from xda- dev should not be reason rendering his ROM from inquiry popularity. Inquiry without Black ROM them as car without wheels

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I voted LVSW. It is a Vanilla flavor of a STABLE ROM. I have my own CABs for anything else I use. Did I mention it was STABLE!!!!!
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these are my words
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DAFTEK said:
Well it's not the first time you delete threads that hit the heart of a topic, remember when i started a thread on WM6 for the Herms long before WM6 was even a thought of running on the Herms and you deleted posts in my thread and changed my topic? It's all kiss ass even between some of the mods here if you ask me In the end this poll still SUCKS!!!
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it wasnt about deleting because they may or may not have hit the heart of the topic, thats all up to personal opinion.. when i saw the topic and replies i was looking at it in a different direction; "can this thread be helpful to others?" so i answered myself yes and continued playing waste management. its not about kiss ass either, its about keeping things calm around here, everyone complains about n00b posts, etc.. but no one wants to help make it a better place.. I would have done the same thing if you had posted this or some n00b with 1 post under their belt and things got out of control.. its simple.. IF YOU DONT LIKE A THREAD THEN DONT RESPOND TO IT... if no one responds then it will fall to the bottom of the list, its that simple
~no reply is necessary, we are just hijacking this thread, if you have a problem with me, or my moderation style then pm

Good to see LVSW on the list. His ROMs have always been very stable.

@shogunmark..... And i agree with you 100% on that response but, Can you see that in the end this is still a fight between JJ's Black and the rest? Custel? Only that austynsnyc is the puppet here Maybe i am wrong but this is why i don't like this poll and if i am then you all have my apologies and ill go back to my corner.

Sleuth255 said:
Good to see LVSW on the list. His ROMs have always been very stable.
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If you cant beat them, join them, so i did.... I voted LVSW #1 overall best, then all the Variants also deserve credit for the final iron works...
Also may i add, That even after the second time around on this poll the first time he was not included, this time YOU GOT HIS NAME WRONG IN THE POLL lol

I'd like to make my vote, but there must be an option to choose more than one version... i think...
And like to see Black in the list...don't understund why isn't in the pool...
Regards.

for those of you that did not follow the first one. Black has been taken out because JJ is not releasing his ROM on this forum and this poll is open to ROM's released in this forum. Yes there have been many polls before and I'm sure there will be many more unless we have one stickied!! Hint Hint... this is a good place to talk about what you like and what you would like improved in the ROM. thanks for the strict moderation. Sorry for spelling LWSV name wrong oops... at least i think i have all the major players this time until the next batch comes along.
Personally i like my ROM's because they have the extra stuff that i never use taken out and the major stuff still left in which give me very large storage to add what ever i like and not worry about it also i always run a 4MB pagepool which i believe is faster and more stable than a 6MB

austinsnyc said:
Yes there have been many polls before and I'm sure there will be many more unless we have one stickied!! Hint Hint... this is a good place to talk about what you like and what you would like improved in the ROM. thanks for the strict moderation. Sorry for spelling LWSV name wrong oops... at least i think i have all the major players this time until the next batch comes along.
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What about the posibility to choose more than one..... can you do this in the poll?

no the whole point of this really is so new members can come here and look at what other people say about the roms and and others views and maybe help them in finding out which one is right for them with out asking the time ending question ""Which Rom is The Best"
we all know all the ROMS released here are fuken great but some people like different things thats all thats why i ask everyone to write there like and disslikes about the rom the think is the best for THEM... all these roms benchmark the same pretty much so deep inside there are only a few key changes such as kernel XIP and so on but most members dont know about that stuff they just want to know if it works and what cool apps it comes with

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@shogunmark..... And i agree with you 100% on that response but, Can you see that in the end this is still a fight between JJ's Black and the rest? Custel? Only that austynsnyc is the puppet here Maybe i am wrong but this is why i don't like this poll and if i am then you all have my apologies and ill go back to my corner.
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that may very well be... but someone out there is going to read this thread and find some of the informational useful and will make their decision based on it. But i do think that all the roms, even jj's should have been included, he isnt the first chef to move their roms and support, sometimes its just natural progression..

Agreement
Agreement - thank you

THE BATTLE OF THE ROMS!!!! Make ur fav ROM win!

Yea, alright, i know, there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion, so Im creatin a poll ova here, and post your opinions abt different ROMS and why you like them and why you use them and pros and cons.... if you don have so much time, or u think its better to read their description or try em out, atleast vote in the poll, its not a really tough thing im asking you to do...
EDIT: Anyone wanting to vote for a version previous to ones listed plz do, in the same option, eg: AX3L or LVSW's and if you like a ROM not listed here, plz do mention it.

my favourite ?
the next

AkshayGenius said:
Yea, alright, i know, there hv been many threads abt which the best ROM is in ur opinion, but none of them hv really continued and provided some usefull opinion, so Im creatin a poll ova here, and post your opinions abt different ROMS and why you like them and why you use them and pros and cons.... if you don have so much time, or u think its better to read their description or try em out, atleast vote in the poll, its not a really tough thing im asking you to do...
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There's no stoppin' you hey AK?
You've obviously read the other threads - seen what others (the majority) think - seen that this type of thread has been created so many times - and you've even seen that
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none of them hv really continued and provided some useful opinion
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but you figured that your poll would be different - that everyone would vote and comment and that something useful would come of it.
OK fairy play to you - I encourage anyone who feels the same to boycott this thread. Sorry AK - no offense meant - but creating 5 threads for the same thing - I just can't see the point. Your last post was in another thread created today on the same topic.???????
Is it me or what?

this poll is great - a third of voters currently think the best ROm is one that does not yet exist!
You lot wouldn't be taking the p**s by any chance?

I like that "i dont understand english" hehehehe great voting

wow, dude, yea, everyone has their own opinions and I created this thread for the benifit of those ppl who are new here, and want to knw which is the best ROM to suit their needs, and yea it is funny that ppl have voted for ingigo's full version, but its because of their trust on mUn, or they already knw it gonna be good, because the FULL edition is just the lite edition plus more apps.
And yea, I posted in another thread created for the same reason, because it wasnt goin anywhere and it didnt have a poll.
And yea, everyone has their own opinion so I respect those ppl who find this thread useless, but till then, the ppl who think otherwise can continue voting and utilize this thread...

How about adding "Shipped ROM" to the poll?

What about PDAVIET ROMs why can I not express my preference for those ROMs? Also - my favourite AX3L ROM is 2.0.5 - why can't I vote for it.
What about Lasagna, Dopod, Spanish, Faman, Bepe's ROM ENG and GER, FLY ROM, UdK's ROM, Ausdim's ROM etc etc.
Even if you wanted just to look and English language ROMs - there are far more than you indicate. even though I really disagree with this thread on several points, if you insist on doing something- at least do it fairly? If this sort of thing can be done fairly.

well alright, although Im pretty sure your favourite ROM IS NOT A3XL 2.0.5, you have a point, so if anyone wants to vote for AX3L ROM 2.0.08 or earlier they can do that in the same option... I was not aware of the other ROMs, so if anyone has a choice not listed, they can very well mention it here. (although, ROMs of other languages are mostly based on the ROMs listed here)
Well, I tried to be fair, if I wasn't, I apologize, and if you anything else left to say, plz do....

Again : same useless question
I'm agree with nealed : "What about Lasagna, Dopod, Spanish, Faman, Bepe's ROM ENG and GER, FLY ROM, UdK's ROM, Ausdim's ROM etc etc"....
Is it a nightmare ...?? Please somebody wake up me !!! Argh....!!

nealed said:
Is it me or what?
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Absolutely agree.
It's the joint work of chefs to make our devices better, and we shall respect their work without this kind of competition.
Ciao

Should we open a thread asking which is better, P3600 or Trinity?
Or Opel or Vauxhal?
You are free to open as many threads as you want, but when you think 1 minute about the real use of this thread, i think that you will hit your head in the wall and call yourself names.
So you think that making a poll will make life easier for the users that want to choose a new ROM? You think that its not easier to read the threads about each of them and then pick the one that has better support for your device/likings?
Or that by doing this you are actually hurting the community by making people actually choose a ROM and make the cookers of the other ROMs leave the scene?
Everybody deserves the right to freedom, but there is a difference between freedom and stupidity and i guess that you are mixing it somehow.
Just my 10 cents... Feel free to disagree

To all SENIOR members, I know that for you this is just 1 more topic about the same old question, but for example for me it's a good information topic, at least to decide what will be my first WM6 ROM!!
I know very well, that 1 ROM could be the better to someone but for another person it can be the worst!
But if we have some kind of information about the pros and cons of the various ROM's then it's easier to decide wich one we will install!
And maybe later when we have more experience we start to try all of them and then we can decide by ourself's.
Maybe this can go STICKY and then no more questions about this

mikhe69 said:
But if we have some kind of information about the pros and cons of the various ROM's then it's easier to decide wich one we will install!
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You can have it if you're not too lazy for read all the post ... It's the better way of learning (and not posting just to know wich underwear i'm gonna use today) !!

All rom rocks and all coockers try to bring smth new to the comunity.

to Mikhe69 and all the others that think this thread is useful...
If you really want to help anybody choosing their ROM then you can make something more helpful. Read all the threads about the available WM6 ROM's, write down their pro's and con's and present this information to the community. When you do this, i am sure that many people will actually thank you and almost for sure that the thread would be a sticky. But this is the hard way, the easy way i think you already know about it...
This is not a question of who it senior or who is junior, its just a question of being lazy.
(Abraco Mikhe69.)
L.

shym said:
You can have it if you're not too lazy for read all the post ... It's the better way of learning (and not posting just to know wich underwear i'm gonna use today) !!
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Unfortunately sometimes u don't have the time to read all the post, and when u just want to put something new on your device, there should be a easy way to help you!
I started yesterday on the WM6 ROM,and already tried 3 ROM's, and I still don't even know how many ROM there's in this forum.
This is why we should have some starting point of information.
Of course this should not be considered has some sort of competition between the ROM developer's, and eventually the newbies will become more able to try new things and after some experiences (sometimes bad) they will decide what is the best ROM for them!

mikhe69 said:
Unfortunately sometimes u don't have the time to read all the post, and when u just want to put something new on your device, !
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I think it's the best way to brick your device : install something without any information about it ! As you want
Like nealed says in an another thread interesting as this one"You will find the pros and cons of each ROM by reading their threads. (If you can't be bothered to do that - this forum probably isn;t for you)."

mun_rus said:
All rom rocks and all coockers try to bring smth new to the comunity.
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Exactly. I am grateful to all of you guys who add flavor to my bland Trinity and are always outdoing yourselves. So for that, they all are great* and thank you.
*Except for that 'official' release, I hated that one personally.

shym said:
I think it's the best way to brick your device : install something without any information about it ! As you want
Like nealed says in an another thread interesting as this one"You will find the pros and cons of each ROM by reading their threads. (If you can't be bothered to do that - this forum probably isn;t for you)."
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Maybe in the future (when I reach senior ) I'll have the same opinion has you, but for know I just think that at least there should be a Thread with the list of all available ROM's in the forum.
This way the newbie's will know where to search!

Take care of your cooks

You know. I was always wondering why developers suddenly stop with roms or programs. They can have family or personal reasons like being very busy with work or with whatever.
But there are more reasons why developers stop with cooking roms and/or programs. I've seen this before on other forums where developers stopped. Like with "Todayplus" some years ago.Same reason.
Here's the other reason
Just a suggestion though to others, take care of cooks you still have here (ex: pcarvalho).Signs of encouragement help, less demanding in threads as if they owe you something, and every now and then donate enough to keep them motivated.
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As the cooker explaing this has nothing to do with donations.I think the above is very true.Demanding is very "deadly" in every case.
Think about it!

I agree there seems to be a sense of entitlement to people who are using the ROMs.
The good chefs here cook how they feel they want to and offer it to you. If you want something changed, learn to cook yourself.
The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.

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The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.
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Hi
I wrote the OP. The quote I used was from a cook I read and this start making me think. Resulted in this thread.So he was right. I only spread his word

Sadly, this attitude is not new and not unique to these 'rom cookers' either. Coming from an Open Source background, you must see the number of demands that are made of our project/members.. even when *we* offer free support and help as well as software.

I like to kick this thread once in a while to make you aware of the subject. Since it is important if you like see the new ROM's keep coming up.

i would like to also make note of the fact that not a lot of user will download a rom by a new cook. this is a bit unfair since although the rom that has been made may not be the best it still took a lot of hard work to create
the reason im highlighting this is because i think it important to try out roms from nrew cooks and let them know how its gewtting on in terms of performance wise let them know whats wrong with it and were it could be improved
ok now ill use an example
when i posted my rom i got a few downloaders who try it out but all of one reply
this reply consisted of badmouthing my rom
then i got one who said it was actually fast
so basically the first poster on the thread about my rom wasnt being very nice and id like to thank hendrixus for letting people this is a problem
also as far as my last post went
sorry if it confused the op into thinking i was calling him a dent
i wasnt talking bout this threasd but my own

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im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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That's because I smoke a Cigar right?

-PiLoT- said:
im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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[offtopic]
What a nice compliment, thanks.
btw I don't smoke at all
English is not my native. You probely speak better dutch then I do English [/offtopic]
Nevertheless.People do agree to what I wrote. But I still find posters demand the cooks, who ask the same questions over-and-over again. They don't search, nor read (faqs) to find the answers which are there.
They just "hop-in" and start asking. Like we are the HTC's helpdesk which we arn't.

I noticed the following for some time.
Even when a app is discontinued people keep on "talking" to the programmer, even when he hasn't been on the forum for a year or so. Asking for bugfixes and new features.
It is not only ridiculious, but pathetic too. Those who are doing so are not only newbies but also seniors. At least they should know better

oh crap i think ive just totally confused you all when i was reffering to the first poster being a dent and me wanting to believe the scond one
i was talking about my own rom thread. when i posted my rom in the thread for it the first poster just labelled it a piece of crap even though i said it was my first the second poster was a bit nicer
i wasnt talking bout you guys

Mods, I request an enforced ROM thread template

I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?

Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?

jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..

I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!

+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
EDIT: Good Idea
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.

mugetsu666 said:
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.

Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us

I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.

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I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt

I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous

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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...

yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.

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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!

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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?

That's y it was moved less attention.

Let the haters hate and let the dev's develop

Please read this post:
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I personally don't see any problems when it comes to cooked roms. These people shared their work with utmost dedication and I certainly appreciate it. It would boost SGY development in many aspects for one is the UI (user experience), the designs and themes are also part of development. Developing is not an easy task, bearing in mind the fluidity of your designs, the critical response of the rom's performance and the originality, the x-factor for a Rom's success.
You will see the value of your own work if it will last for a long time, and if people across the whole world will take time to install it to their phone. In that sense, I think Amal Das's creations is on the right track. I will not question the fact that he has contributed a lot in terms of ROM design choices. Look at his posts, there are tons of designs to choose from! at that perspective I will give a double thumbs up! (you can make a unified thread for your designs, instead of making a multiple threads, it will be more efficient)
If all of us will be hostile against people who want to share, there will be no point for such a forum to exist. He shared, you as user and a member of this forum can constructively criticize it as expected to a mature individual.
Sooner or later developers, contributors, themers will move on to other devices, so let us appreciate what is available for us right now.
Kudos for the maker of these roms, for making this community alive!
PS. Amal Das, please edit your first page. I do not see any chobits elements in your rom you may have overlooked the "chobits revamped ui" lol. It is okay to copy anything from my thread, atleast edit it to perfectly suit your rom's description. Thanks and more power!
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HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever. I'm guessing after the realease of the S III we don't have much time left. Lets try and do as much as we can while we can!"

i have another phone with me here,
a HTC Wizard one of the first windows mobile smartphones which was released mid 2007- early 2008,
they have a forum here in xda but sad to say the last development for a custom rom was on 2010,
so the forum is now but a ghost land with less than 1 post per 5 days or so with no devs left working on the device,
my point is a time will come that SGY will also be like HTC wizard,
turn into a old end device and the forum will be like a ghost town,
we do realize this and the best thing we can do it to just have fun with our device,
develop things for the sake of sharing ideas to others, collaborating minds of millions of SGY owners,
i love my phone and its the first phone i bought with my first salary so it has a sentimental value
cheers to all SGY owners

Exactly..I dont see the point in arguing with cooked/themed stuff..different people have various choices..some people like MIUI,some ICS, and some stock etc..whats wrong in that? There are pathetic people who dont contribute to the forums instead they criticize people who are trying to do some good to the forums...What we can do utmost is to deny those negative comments,take the constructive comments and move ahead!

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Please read this post:
HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever.
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I hope no one use HCFroyd's statement as an apology for developing a mere themed rom.

hitme987 said:
Exactly..I dont see the point in arguing with cooked/themed stuff..different people have various choices..some people like MIUI,some ICS, and some stock etc..whats wrong in that? There are pathetic people who dont contribute to the forums instead they criticize people who are trying to do some good to the forums...What we can do utmost is to deny those negative comments,take the constructive comments and move ahead!
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i don't have problem with themed rom as long as they give proper credit to original creator. i never ask credit for my work but someone did. the new trend in our forum, a lot new themed rom don't give credit to original creator. but that's only 'small' problem. bigger problem is a lot of new rom released with too much bug. if you experience user, you could solve that problem easily. but how about someone new ? please remember this forum become reference for other forum or non member. today i see in other forum, someone asking for help because his phone brick after flash themed custom rom from this forum.

we couldn't expect those wannabe devs to solve their rom problems. personally I doubt if they're know how to properly customize a rom. most of them only replace the apps, and change the ui_print stuff in updater script. in most cases they don't even know how to modify an apk since they modify their systemUI and framework-res via UOT kitchen. this will surely brings problems to new member or inexperienced one here.

It will surely come to an end, but the S3 will not kick the Y out of xda. It would need pretty long legs to kick a low-end device.

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i don't have problem with themed rom as long as they give proper credit to original creator. i never ask credit for my work but someone did. the new trend in our forum, a lot new themed rom don't give credit to original creator. but that's only 'small' problem. bigger problem is a lot of new rom released with too much bug. if you experience user, you could solve that problem easily. but how about someone new ? please remember this forum become reference for other forum or non member. today i see in other forum, someone asking for help because his phone brick after flash themed custom rom from this forum.
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Well, that's why we have the support general section, faq and q &a.. The bugs I saw in the threads are very minor and mostly fcs which are mostly accompanied by fixes from the dev.. The bricking errors are mostly due to wrong method of flashing and no thread in dev section causes bricks otherwise.. Regarding the credit thing, yeah some people may not give proper credit but they didn't just post the content as it is right? They did some work and stuff but it's respect that matters and they won't get it by modding stuff.. But I really appreciate the way amal das cooked and added the themes, apps.. It surely involves some definite time and effort and remember something is better than nothing.. We must appreciate their effort to upload and share them for nothing !
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You have a good point hitme!

as for me I do not see anything wrong when people want to share something. its just that other users tend to envy what they made and then criticize the creator/moder/chef.
(that's what I noticed here at SGY forum)
BUT THIS CRITICISM DOES NOT EXIST ON ANY OTHER FORUMS. i wonder why?

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I hope no one use HCFroyd's statement as an apology for developing a mere themed rom.
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I totally agree on this. And if these people uses custom ROMS as base ROM, themed it and added some apps that totally boost the UI and not the performance or to cut it short decorated the rom instead of adding new features or tweaks, why not release it as an OPTIONAL THEME UPDATE or OPTIONAL APP PACKAGE and not NEW DEV ROM thing?
Don't get me wrong but I do appreciate hard work. Themeing is developing but please keep it in mind that SKINNING is different from BUILDING. Skinning is theming and building means you start from STOCK ROM WITH NO TWEAKS and you DEVELOP/ADD/MODIFY the ROM to have new features -and that being true, I see no reason for a THEMED CUSTOM ROM to be LABELED ROM DEV NEW.
I have experience in building a custom rom, I have a Motorola A1200 Ming way back and what I did is I integrated A1600 and A1800 features to A1200 firmware. I didn't use and custom rom available and gave it a new look.
My point is, you don't label a rom whose base is a custom as *developed or *new. That sucks! How come you use others ROM and themed it + added some apps? and call it developed? It should be skinned or themed or optional update. You got to be kidding to think you developed it when you skinned it. And that number of thanks you get prolongs your day dreaming of being a developer when you are just a skinner/themer.
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The above statement may not be comfortable for your eyes to read but hey, it's true. If you're no developer, Well this post sucks. Truth hurts.

We need a Steve Jobs in SGY..
He was not a developer, but a motivator

steve 'jobs' (lol)
please don't think that me (or some other user) hate the rom development. nope...we only get tired of those who claimed themself as a dev but in reality know almost nothing in rom development.
1. these people potentially risk other user for bricking their device.
2. you can't expect a good rom from them. in most cases you'll only get a half assed rom with a lot of bug.
I was saying that statement to ensure that we get a rom with good quality from a real dev. i'm sorry if this words might sound harsh.

kurotsugi said:
steve 'jobs' (lol)
please don't think that me (or some other user) hate the rom development. nope...we only get tired of those who claimed themself as a dev but in reality know almost nothing in rom development.
1. these people potentially risk other user for bricking their device.
2. you can't expect a good rom from them. in most cases you'll only get a half assed rom with a lot of bug.
I was saying that statement to ensure that we get a rom with good quality from a real dev. i'm sorry if this words might sound harsh.
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You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
Sent from heaven!

I.AM.H3RO said:
HCFroyd has a point our phone will not be developed forever. I'm guessing after the realease of the S III we don't have much time left. Lets try and do as much as we can while we can!"
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I don't understand what you mean, SIII is too expensive, low & mid-range devices still remain

anasdcool71 said:
You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
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you chose wrong example
i am not too 'old' in this forum, but afair i was already here when chobits released. it's not themed rom and it's relatively stable even in first release. nobody can stop you from making/learning custom rom, but release to forum is another matter. if the mod only themes (which a lot new dev did) we already have themes sub forum. and if it's only fix small problem in other custom rom, why not just create patch. and is it really hard to says if he/she make it based other rom ?
i don't claim if i am a dev, but i do share some of my small modifications in this forum. before i share something, i need 2-4 days (in my spare time) to review my modification, make sure every know problems already fixed. most of my mod is low level so one mistake can brick your phone forever. i do wild and crazy thing with my own device. but when i decide to share it, i do very very carefully, because if i did something wrong it will effect someone else phone. few days ago i almost pull back my shared mod because someone report my mod make his phone restart. fortunately i can fix it.

anasdcool71 said:
You do have a point, man. They needn't be called devs, but they are making something! You can't just expect someone to just create a very good rom like chobits or creeds. They have to start from the base, making small mods, and when they become good at it, then they can start making bigger mods, and so on. You won't understand the studies of a university unless you've completed the one of school.
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learning and sharing is a different things...if they already have some skill about theming stuff they could share their work as a theme.
1. it has less risk for brick
2. easier for them to upload
3. easier to apply to any rom
please don't see me as someone who doesn't like rom developer. I don't mind if anyone ask me about rom development. I have made a thread about customizing a rom and anyone could use that as a starting point in their study. I've also helped several user developing their rom and some of them have published their rom in this forum. believe me, I want to see more rom developer in this forum. but I don't want to see a half assed rom with a lot of bug and complains from other user.
PS: if you consider about reputation stuff you'll understand that I'm saying this for their good. anyone will see someone who comes with a half assed rom as a fake dev. I don't wanna see that happen (again) to anyone here. if they could restrain themself a little bit until they could make a good rom, they could get better response and more appreciation of their work.

Question
@all
can you please tell us which roms and their developer, that you do not consider as part of SGY development? So we can clearly differentiate it from "real" development to just cooked or themed..
Thanks!