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So would Sprint's upgrade to LTE render Epic 4G touch useless for 4G?
Yes... But that point is so far in the future, you'll have a newer phone by then....
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Yes... But that point is so far in the future, you'll have a newer phone by then....
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
I believe WiMax will be alive for at least a couple of years because full roll out of LTE is going to take time. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here but I think WiMax will certainly be here for the 2 years if you bought the phone on contract
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There are numerous threads about this already please use the search engine... And Google works great also
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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Phew I was like now i'm like
It renders 4G for me useless for the most part. As I live in a city with no WiMax And the odds of ever getting it are about zero now. Oh well... I just hope we get some LTE love before the next great thing is out. But I'm sure I'll be loving my E4GT for least a year or 2 still.
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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Hence, so far in the future that the LTE network is fully rolled out and the Wimax network shut off which will be more than likely, quite past 2015, yes, at that point, the epic 4G touch will be USELESS on the Wimax network. It can't be upgraded to LTE and at that point, it'll be well past it's useful life as a "high end device" anyway, so, won't matter much.
To the OP, by the time you need to worry, you won't have this phone anyway.
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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+ 1 I was going to say that
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Does anyone know why Sprint went with Wimax to begin with? Was it so they could get it up faster and claim to be the first 4g carrier? Or was it sort of like when HD DVD and Blurays came out... weren't sure which was going to be better?
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Does anyone know why Sprint went with Wimax to begin with? Was it so they could get it up faster and claim to be the first 4g carrier? Or was it sort of like when HD DVD and Blurays came out... weren't sure which was going to be better?
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Yes, they wanted to be the first 4G network and Wimax was the easiest to deploy quickly.
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When sprint chose wimax it was definitely the front runner. It had pretty good financial backing from Google and intel. The problem is that it was never designed to be a mobile technology, it was merely adapted for that purpose. There was a revision (802.16m) that would have given it some legs to compete with lte from a power consumption and mobility standpoint but because Sprint is the only carrier that picked it up, all of the hardware makers stopped investing in mobile aspects of the technology. Effectively that makes it impossible to continue, without the radios being refined wimax would continue to be at a disadvantage to lte in the phone arena.
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Sprint also needed to start doing something with its 2.5 GHz spectrum. Those licenses had coverage conditions that the FCC could invoke to take the spectrum from Sprint to sell or give to another entity that would use it. At the time, LTE was not a ready for commercial deployment, but WiMax was.
So by far best phone on sprint is the et4g. Seeing sprint is turning to lte will the et4g be compatible to lte?
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Nope, the Epic Touch won't support LTE. It only supports WiMAX.
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No, and Sprint's turning off WiMax (what the E4GT, Evo, Evo 3D, Photon, and all Sprint 4G phones) use around 2015. I hate thinking about it but by then we'll be on to the SGS5.
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I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
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I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
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I have asked a few of the sales reps and customer service people about this. They say that it is not going to be able to use the LTE service, and that it would need new hardware. And if I'm not mistaken, The wimax service that we currently use is from another company that sprint is with. So i'm not real sure how this will play out, but it is definitely not going to be able to use the LTE service.
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I was just at a CORPORATE Sprint store getting my poor OG Epic repaired. While I was waiting, I asked about the Galaxy Nexus. I was told that the EPIC 4G TOUCH needed a firmware update, and it could then be used on the new LTE network by a Sprint salesperson in the store. Sounds official to me!!
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Note to you.....you are gullible....the hardware will not even sniff a lte signal.....thus would be like saying with a firmware upgrade your dvd player will play bluray..... The first CPU that Samsung has that can handle lte is the one going in the galaxy 3 ....that is why every galaxy 2 that had lte was omap or snapdragon....the CPU in our phone is incompatible
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Get off my ass dude... What about Samsung's Droid Charge. There, your credibility is already shot!
Anyway, apparently there is an inactive 800 Mhz radio in the E4GT. Rumor has it is that is the way it can be accomplished. It remains to be seen, but remember the Motorola Xoom? Same principle I guess...
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Get off my ass dude... What about Samsung's Droid Charge. There, your credibility is already shot!
Anyway, apparently there is an inactive 800 Mhz radio in the E4GT. Rumor has it is that is the way it can be accomplished. It remains to be seen, but remember the Motorola Xoom? Same principle I guess...
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A) The Droid Charge doesn't have an Exynos processor in it like the Galaxy S II
B) The Exynos does NOT do LTE, which is why the Skyrocket and AT&T Galaxy Note have Snapdragon S3s in them, not Exynos.
C) He's right. You're not going to magically get LTE with a WiMax radio or even the built in CDMA radio. It doesn't matter if LTE is going to be transmitted on that frequency; the phone's modem won't understand what LTE is.
D) The Xoom actually had it's original radio REPLACED by Motorola, in addition to a software update. You had to send your Xoom to Motorola for them to physically open it up and add/replace the LTE radio.
E) It requires a SIM card, which the E4GT doesn't have a slot for.
Done.
IRead and understand that 800 mhz radio is cdma like the evo 3d for voice and 3g that is it ...when they decommission the iden frequencies they may put voice on the frequencies but there its no chance of lte on this phone .....none .... go read the other 4 threads already about this ....
And i will not lump all sprint employees in the same boat but 95 % of sprint employees are legally brain dead..... Just a joke ... But they know nothing about phones or the network...you will get the correct info here way before a sprint employee.... But some regional managers and such actually have some info but salesmen etc at stores even customer service have no clue
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IRead and understand that 800 mhz radio is cdma like the evo 3d for voice and 3g that is it ...when they decommission the iden frequencies they may put voice on the frequencies but there its no chance of lte on this phone .....none .... go read the other 4 threads already about this ....
And i will not lump all sprint employees in the same boat but 95 % of sprint employees are legally brain dead..... Just a joke ... But they know nothing about phones or the network...you will get the correct info here way before a sprint employee.... But some regional managers and such actually have some info but salesmen etc at stores even customer service have no clue
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I was a technician in a Sprint store and I agree with the bolded statement 100%.
And you're right about no chance of LTE on any current Sprint phone.
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A) The Droid Charge doesn't have an Exynos processor in it like the Galaxy S II
B) The Exynos does NOT do LTE, which is why the Skyrocket and AT&T Galaxy Note have Snapdragon S3s in them, not Exynos.
C) He's right. You're not going to magically get LTE with a WiMax radio or even the built in CDMA radio. It doesn't matter if LTE is going to be transmitted on that frequency; the phone's modem won't understand what LTE is.
D) The Xoom actually had it's original radio REPLACED by Motorola, in addition to a software update. You had to send your Xoom to Motorola for them to physically open it up and add/replace the LTE radio.
E) It requires a SIM card, which the E4GT doesn't have a slot for.
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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
Guys, ALL 4g devices will work just not on 4g LTE network. They just don't download at LTE speeds. You gotta remember that LTE is still a 4g based network. So, we are talking about downloading at 5mb/s or 10mb/s. At those speeds, it really doesn't matter unless you are trying to stream 5 porns in high quality at once lol. Same thing as 1x/2g still working but 3g is preferred.
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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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Actually you lose because the Photon has both the WiMax and the LTE radios built in the LTE just isnt activated...
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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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The Photon most definitely does NOT have an LTE modem installed. I don't know where you think you got your info. It has the bece3502 chipset which is WiMax ONLY. On top of that, if you read the FCC filings it has only passed for use with WiMax, not LTE. So YOU lose, and you are the one who should research before you speak. ROFL
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The Photon has an LTE modem installed, it will be able to work on the lte setup. You lose, research before you speak.
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I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.
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I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.
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This is the same misconception as the epic touch and evo3d just because they were made to work on the 800 mhz frequency...they think the cdma radio will pick up lte signal.... Its actually really funny how they argue like they really know
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Product F(RED) said:
I thanked you by mistake, but I just wanted you to know, I was a technician at Sprint...I have all the research I need. My job was to open up and repair phones. The Photon does not have an LTE modem. Please show me where you read that it does. And please no, XDA threads with speculation about it. I want solid evidence, like an official spec sheet that says so.
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Plug it in people. Sprint may not update the firmware to allow it, but it does have one. You girls can fight about whatever you want, I know the truth, and it doesn't matter if you think it will or not, I was just giving people the correct info. Flame me or whatever, I know what I see, and I know what is in the photon. If you in fact did take photons apart then you would know as well. This has already been discussed in many other threads so I will stop beating the horse. Peace.
All this talk about the photon and I bet not one of you actually owned one. lol
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Epix4G said:
This is the same misconception as the epic touch and evo3d just because they were made to work on the 800 mhz frequency...they think the cdma radio will pick up lte signal.... Its actually really funny how they argue like they really know
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Its amazing the people they let in these forums. I'm glad you like to tell people what they think, good stuff. I never once said anything about the cdma modem working as an lte modem. But hey you can create statements however you want.
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Plug it in people. Sprint may not update the firmware to allow it, but it does have one. You girls can fight about whatever you want, I know the truth, and it doesn't matter if you think it will or not, I was just giving people the correct info. Flame me or whatever, I know what I see, and I know what is in the photon. If you in fact did take photons apart then you would know as well. This has already been discussed in many other threads so I will stop beating the horse. Peace.
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The LTE modem is left over from the Verizon Bionic. The hardware simply isn't there.
I can install AMD GPU drivers on my computer all I want.... but it won't give me the hardware.
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Note to you.....you are gullible....the hardware will not even sniff a lte signal.....thus would be like saying with a firmware upgrade your dvd player will play bluray..... The first CPU that Samsung has that can handle lte is the one going in the galaxy 3 ....that is why every galaxy 2 that had lte was omap or snapdragon....the CPU in our phone is incompatible
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You mean the Galaxy Nexus...
all of you are so silly! of COURSE our etouch will work with lte! why would sprint release a device designed for a specific technology, and then piss on the ENTIRE customer base of wimax owners by not only HALTING the development of wimax, but then switching to a completely diff technology our device would NEVER have the capability of working with?
common sense...
Okay so I know most people right now don't have Sprint LTE but I have a few questions before I start flashing ROMs. First one is LTE built in to ROMs such as AOKP and CM or do we just have to go without it once we root? Second is there a way to lose LTE keys/radios/whatever like there was on WIMAX? The phone I had before this was an OG Evo and I know that if you weren't careful you could lose the wimax keys and never be able to get on wimax again.
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Okay so I know most people right now don't have Sprint LTE but I have a few questions before I start flashing ROMs. First one is LTE built in to ROMs such as AOKP and CM or do we just have to go without it once we root? Second is there a way to lose LTE keys/radios/whatever like there was on WIMAX? The phone I had before this was an OG Evo and I know that if you weren't careful you could lose the wimax keys and never be able to get on wimax again.
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I've never heard of anyone losing dmu keys on LTE devices, but it may be possible. Mind you I am on Verizon that has removable sims. You could lose your LTE radio, yes, if you flash the radios in the wrong order. Only during a flash though.
As for roms, most if not all should support LTE. Root isn't relevant to LTE in any form.
Sprint has a embedded sim..the only way besides flashing radio wrong would be your sim go bad.....ie hardware failure
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Sprint has a embedded sim..the only way besides flashing radio wrong would be your sim go bad.....ie hardware failure
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I think that's pretty ridiculous how the sim is embedded. I mean if it goes bad you have to get a another phone? At least Verizon isn't doing that crap.
I know what you mean about the wimax keys not there is not the problem here and never had it with Verizon lte devices . So your safe welcome evo 4G (I used to be a evil owner too)
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Thanks for the info guys, coming from a Wimax phone where no AOSP Roms supported Wimax at first and where you you can lose your wimax keys, I had couple of concerns before I got flash happy
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I think that's pretty ridiculous how the sim is embedded. I mean if it goes bad you have to get a another phone? At least Verizon isn't doing that crap.
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give it some time
Maybe next year they will "give" us that and charge us $15 cuz the process of doing that is slightly more expensive....
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So if our phone is customized cdma/lte is it possible to mirror temporarily to get straight 4g until we get lte? Or is our phone not capable/modifiable to do so?
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So if our phone is customized cdma/lte is it possible to mirror temporarily to get straight 4g until we get lte? Or is our phone not capable/modifiable to do so?
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The 4G network that sprint currently has coverage for is WiMax Our phone does not have a WiMax antenna. So were stuck waiting for LTE 4G to come to our area.
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Yes, was wondering what the catch was! But one more question, what does an antenna have to make a difference in getting wimax vs lte?
Isnt what residual in the board tell it either to receive of send certain waves, etc etc. Is the antenna kryptonite vs coal in wimax phones? Love to Know and Learn, if you catch my drift....so dont take hatefully. Dont know the answer to the question unless the questions have all been answered
Is there a video and explanation of what is in a siii sprint video somewhere?
I upgraded from the ET4G which has WiMax 4g. There is a 4g tower literally 1/4 mile down my street and i was getting an average of 8-10Mb/sec download speed under Wimax.
I ASSUMED... (thats where i went wrong) I purchased the Note 2, and thought there was the 3g, 4g WiMAX, and 4g LTE modes/antennas. Nope. So now that I have the Note 2 without LTE in my area, I'm stuck with HORRIBLE 3g (CDMA) speeds. No more HD Netflix or even a reliable connection to Pandora (high quality).
I live in South Bay Silicon valley area in California. Now I have to WAIT until LTE rolls out before I can use a data connection speed over 100k/sec. I cant believe they made this phone without the ability to connect to WiMAX 4g. I suppose WiMAX 4g will trashed once LTE rolls out and that would be a waste of hardware in the phone but there was no warning in the tech specs or Sprint reps.
Just warning to all out there wanting to upgrade the the Galaxy Note 2 where LTE is not available but have WiMAX speeds. The phone will NOT pick up WiMAX 4G. I would have waited to upgrade. =(
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I upgraded from the ET4G which has standard 4g. There is a 4g tower literally 1/4 mile down my street and i was getting an average of 8-10Mb/sec download speed under 4g.
I ASSUMED... (thats where i went wrong) I purchased the Note 2, and thought there was the 3g, 4g, and 4g LTE modes/antennas. Nope. So now that I have the Note 2 without LTE in my area, I'm stuck with HORRIBLE 3g (CDMA) speeds. No more HD Netflix or even a reliable connection to Pandora (high quality).
I live in South Bay Silicon valley area in California. Now I have to WAIT until LTE rolls out before I can use a data connection speed over 100k/sec. I cant believe they made this phone without the ability to connect to standard 4g. I supposed 4g will trashed once LTE rolls aout and that would be a waste of hardware in the phone but there was no warning in the tech specs or Sprint reps.
Just warning to all out there wanting to upgrade the the Galaxy Note 2 where LTE is not available but have standard 4g speeds. The phone will NOT pick up 4G. I would have waited to upgrade. =(
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You could always switch back to the epic 4G Touch until LTE arrives and use the note 2 as a WiFi device.
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woah, seriously? I had no idea this was the case... major bummer. I wonder if custom ROMs have the option?
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You could always switch back to the epic 4G Touch until LTE arrives and use the note 2 as a WiFi device.
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Very true, I was just hoping to sell it for $200 and make some money back off the the beastly Note 2 price (on contract when purchased). Its so sad, I'm so used to looking at the 720p screen, it makes the E4GT look so much like a girly phone. =) I read some articles on how fast the 4g LTE should be coming out with wider coverage, I guess LTE is supposed to cover just about everywhere that has 3G coverage. Just a matter of time.Since the Optimus G and the Note 2 are being released, they are pushing LTE as "quick as they can" supposedly.
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woah, seriously? I had no idea this was the case... major bummer. I wonder if custom ROMs have the option?
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I checked as best I could. I went into the phones hidden menu using the MSL code and checked the settings. There is no mode for 4G and 4G LTE separately. Sprint tech support also confirmed this (which I don't believe the crap they say). I gave them a hard time because I had a very hard time believing that that phone would not pickup standard 4G.
The app called 'PHONE INFO' on the market show you all your options for radio settings also.
A simple, quick google search would have confirmed that this phone does not have a WiMAX antenna... Samsung tried the best they could to standardize the hardware - not only across carriers but globally as well.
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A simple, quick google search would have confirmed that this phone does not have a WiMAX antenna... Samsung tried the best they could to standardize the hardware - not only across carriers but globally as well.
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Thats why I used the words 'I ASSUMED' It makes sense to have WiMAX built in. A normal person would assume it would hence the posting. Just a warning thread.
You wouldn't think to check if, 4G would work on a 4G LTE phone.
Not to piss on ur rant bit its been said a million times by sprint and everyone else no new wimax devices wayyy back before evo lte launched its kinda a no Brainer, that this device wouldn't have wimax jus sayin
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randy2 said:
Not to piss on ur rant bit its been said a million times by sprint and everyone else no new wimax devices wayyy back before evo lte launched its kinda a no Brainer, that this device wouldn't have wimax jus sayin
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Obviously my fault with not keeping up with tech specs. I stayed on T-mobile after switching from Sprint just phone their line of phones and recently came back to Sprint. GSM is alot more simple.
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I checked as best I could. I went into the phones hidden menu using the MSL code and checked the settings. There is no mode for 4G and 4G LTE separately. Sprint tech support also confirmed this (which I don't believe the crap they say). I gave them a hard time because I had a very hard time believing that that phone would not pickup standard 4G.
The app called 'PHONE INFO' on the market show you all your options for radio settings also.
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Even though I was basically without 4G since the inception, I am glad that they didnt include a WiMax radio on this phone. It is a battery leach (so it was always turned off) and I would not want to change the battery life of this phone ever. I am right now on 1 day 5 hours with about 15% left on this battery charge.
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Even though I was basically without 4G since the inception, I am glad that they didnt include a WiMax radio on this phone. It is a battery leach (so it was always turned off) and I would not want to change the battery life of this phone ever. I am right now on 1 day 5 hours with about 15% left on this battery charge.
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Yes, WiMAX was a leach! At least the specs for battery life are close to 3g battery life. Something i can look forward to.
Not claiming the validity of the thread but I only have one problem which is the OP calling WiMax a standard 4G. So far only LTE Advanced (not a regular LTE) is capable of such standard.
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Not claiming the validity of the thread but I only have one problem which is the OP calling WiMax a standard 4G. So far only LTE Advanced (not a regular LTE) is capable of such standard.
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I was thinking about correcting that but i figure people got the idea.... ill go ahead and change that...
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the sprint s3 the same way? Lte only, no wimax?
I'm sorry about this, but honestly this was a no Brainer. Once sprint signed on with lte, wimax was done. To expect them to put a battery draining radio they had no intention of continuing with (known for a very long time) would be unrealistic.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the sprint s3 the same way? Lte only, no wimax?
I'm sorry about this, but honestly this was a no Brainer. Once sprint signed on with lte, wimax was done. To expect them to put a battery draining radio they had no intention of continuing with (known for a very long time) would be unrealistic.
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I've been following the thread since the first page and have been waiting for someone to post exactly this. Complete no brainer IMO
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I've been following the thread since the first page and have been waiting for someone to post exactly this. Complete no brainer IMO
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Ah, oh well. I should have kept up with the High speed specs of LTE and WiMAX. I just went out and bought the lastest and greatest. I'm your typical "USER". I did some searching. obviously AFTER the fact and it seems I'm not the only one which make me feel a bit better about getting flamed.
It's not a big deal, and in fact, I'm a bit surprised you didn't get hammered sooner and harder. I'm thinking these forums are not as active or less forgiving than say the development forums.
Enjoy your new toy, I'm jealous but I'm holding off till development is further along.
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This is coming from a 4 year XDA vet? Really? Wow...
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It's not a big deal, and in fact, I'm a bit surprised you didn't get hammered sooner and harder. I'm thinking these forums are not as active or less forgiving than say the development forums.
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Duh
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Duh
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Lol! Just gonna leave leave the thread open to how much my rectum can take...