Grabbing a 64 N9, with the FFC, and putting WP7.5 on it? Best of both worlds right? Cake and ice cream?
Well.. i tried googling; whats "FFC" stands for?
Ffc = Front facing camera
Required for Skype, tango, video calling in general
Front Facing Camera.
Andyeah I really wish the N9 came out in America with WP7.5. I would of jumped the jump for that one. But the lumia 800... I feel that I am settling. Although i bet the battery life on that phone is amazing
At least the N9 has 64Gb storage.
And it took them 9 months to finally come to this.....?
Where has the money offered by Microsoft gone?
As big Nokia fan (i owned like 30 nokia phones) i'm pretty disappointed with their new phones and OS they choosed.
Ah. Yeah, like I said in the other topic, I missed that too. Non sense compairing with the second generation of WP7. All of them have FFC.
i would prefer an E7 with mango
I don't think that is going to happen. WP7 is only supposed to work on Qualcomm CPUs... the N9 uses a TI chip. Also it only has 1 GHz as opposed to 1.4 GHz... though the 1 GB RAM and 64 GB memory would be appreciated. But perhaps at least there will be a 64 GB version.
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I don't think that is going to happen. WP7 is only supposed to work on Qualcomm CPUs... the N9 uses a TI chip. Also it only has 1 GHz as opposed to 1.4 GHz... though the 1 GB RAM and 64 GB memory would be appreciated. But perhaps at least there will be a 64 GB version.
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I'm not sure about this but... didn't the windows phone 7 phones come with an internal SD card for storage? And the could actually be replaced by a bigger SD?
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ditto. although e7 would need to double its RAM to run WP.
renatofontes said:
I'm not sure about this but... didn't the windows phone 7 phones come with an internal SD card for storage? And the could actually be replaced by a bigger SD?
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They're getting away from that in 2nd gen. WP7 phones. They're going with non-removable internal memory now....at least some of them are. And I believe Nokia is one who is.
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I don't think that is going to happen. WP7 is only supposed to work on Qualcomm CPUs... the N9 uses a TI chip. Also it only has 1 GHz as opposed to 1.4 GHz... though the 1 GB RAM and 64 GB memory would be appreciated. But perhaps at least there will be a 64 GB version.
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Also don't all WP devices need these three set buttons on the front and of course the N9 lacks any front buttons at all.
Can't put WP7 on the N9 since it is missing a cam button and the three face buttons (back, home, search) also the screen is an unsupported res also the cpu is not supported either. Still all nokia really had to do is tweak those things and NOT SCREW UP WHAT THEY ALREADY HAD IN PLACE... but I guess that was just too hard. Lost one sale to me, thats for sure. If this had FFC and 64GB of storage it woulda been a day one purchase for me. Now I'm prob gonna just get a Nexus or a Titan although both of them don't have a very good option for storage either... I want my 64GB... It's like I;m forced to buy an iPhone and I soooooo don't want to.
Totally agree. I could have lived with no FFC, but 16GB ONLY ? Why don't make different sizes, like the N9 ? Propose a 16GB for cheap, and ask for, say, 200$ more for a 64GB... I'd buy it ! But now, no big reason to buy it as I already have 16GB on my LG.
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Why don't make different sizes, like the N9 ? Propose a 16GB for cheap, and ask for, say, 200$ more for a 64GB... I'd buy it !
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Yeah, I'd easily pay more for 64GB. As for reasons, we can only guess but I think it's due to manufacturing constraints. They can only produce a limited quantity initially, and opted for the most popular (cheaper) option.
Overall I wouldn't look at this device as a flagship for months to come (at least without modifications). Their first priority was to make it available, so they had to focus and left things behind.
I'll get it anyway, and if something better shows up soon I'll happily change. I like changing phones as often as I can. Don't give a damn about FFC. 16GB is tiny, but bearable, at least it's not 8 like on Radar or Omnia W.
Not to bothered with the storage on this it's no worse than say the new Nexus, considering we will not be getting the larger storage version in the UK. The FCC is not something I would ever use so that's no loss.
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Grabbing a 64 N9, with the FFC, and putting WP7.5 on it? Best of both worlds right? Cake and ice cream?
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Seeing how N9 sports a TI OMAP and MSFT's push for Qualcomm marriage, I don't think it is happening.
As a long time Nokia user, these phones seem pretty much what they should be.
In Nokia-speak, a 700 series phone is mid-range phone - affordable and for the masses. An 800 series phone is a middle tier phone with better design and features.
What we (enthusiasts) are waiting for is the 900 series phone (like an N9) that is their design flagship. That phone is still in the wings, as well as a 500 series entry-level model. Believe me there will be a 900 series phone since the Windows Phones are now their premium smartphone platform, an Nokia will need a successor to the N9 to carry the flag.
So don't look at these as the entire Nokia Windows Mobile line - they are just the first ones out of the gate.
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Of course, I would pay immediately for 32GB or 64GB.
Whereas 16GB is a dealbreaker. Paying for an underpowered device is always a bad investment IMO
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I am wondering if any manufacturers are going to be different anytime soon? I am hoping that by July we will see a little "fragmentation" i.e. we have tegra 2 phone with 32GB data and a SAMOLED screen.
Or is chassis 1 very, very strict, that we are only going to see specs x.
well MS has set all minimum specs, but I'm guessing that for things like CPU, MS should define what manufacturers can use as they're all too scared to just put any chip in without causing damage to the WP image. Most of the variations at present can really come from the camera, on board memory (and sd slot), and the screen type. Everything else you'll find to be quite similar at this stage, but hopefully MS defines the other 2 chassis type so that more variations can come about.
Meh, its annoying that the closest to what I want is a slider.
I plan on never having a slider again after seeing pretty much every person who owned a slider(including me) have it break. Conditions don't seem to suit sliders much.
16GB, 4" AMOLED screen, SD slot and audio quality coming out of the phone that is just as good the the Zune HD's.
Omnia 7 just misses it by no SD slot, 16GB almost impossible to get in SA, and the audio out seems to have missed all the low bass?!
I use quality headphones + an amp, or I plug my phone into my speaker system or my car. I will notice those frequencies...
Though one thing I do not care for, definately goes to speaker quality, neer really cared about that.
Agree! if just ONE manufacture put their whole effort into 1 of their WP7 phones, it would wipe the floor with the competition and give us all an obvious choice when it comes to selecting a wp7 phone. instead, the choice is difficult and they are technically no better than the 18 month old HD2 if just one of these new phones had for example a front facing camera, 32gb nand memory or more... ive no doubt it would be everyones pick.
I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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I think the Samsung Omnia is the best device, however its a shame that it only comes with 8GB memory and no way to expand it.
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That's why the Venue Pro is better
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That's why the Venue Pro is better
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
if i was patient enough i probably wuld have got the venue pro if it has 16gb
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I love this phone all except for slider if it was as slim as the HD7 I would not hesitate in getting one. The 4.1 super AMOLED screen is just right and 16 GB memory will get me buy for now.
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
The chassis only stated minimums... The OEMS aren't building more expensive devices because they don't have to. When the OS has picked up and is selling more, then you'll see the superphones (The first Android phone was not an Evo)
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It's AMOLED without "Super". AFAIK, only Samsung phones have S-AMOLED display.
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Sorry my mistake.[Fixed] I was just reading up on the difference and the super looks a fair bit better again.
Let's see, we have:
1) Samsung Focus S announced by AT&T
2) Samsung Focus Flash announced by AT&T
3) Samsung Omnia 7 S (made up name) leaked by the FCC
All these seem to sport Super AMOLED screens which is great. We do need information on availability and storage options but the Focus S sounds very promising. Today I'm much more likely to buy a Samsung Mango phone over a HTC.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-SGH-i708-hits-the-FCC-a-WP-Mango-remake-of-the-Omnia-7_id21955
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/12/samsung-focus-focus-flash-headed-att-windows-phone-7-mango-on-board/
Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Focus or go home, pretty much. It's the best device confirmed to be coming out now.
4.3" SA+ screen @ WVGA is a lot more bearable than 4.7" SLCD @ WVGA. 1.4 GHz almost as good as 1.5. It has a 32 GB Option IIRC. Samsung tends to use NAND in their phones, so I'm hoping for that. Decent cameras, and the sound and cell radio are almost guaranteed to be better than HTC devices.
Too bad AT&T axed Unlimited Data. That's a showstopper for me, and I'm guessing lots of other people.
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Super excited for the Focus S, assuming at least 24 GB will be available. Now, let's see what else will be coming out around that time...
@N8ter where did you get that 32GB info? Storage hasn't been mentioned. I hope it's a Worldwide phone unlike the first Focus.
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It's heresay. I have seen it mentioned by a few people at different sites. Sorry. That's why I put the "IIRC" part It's questionable.
If it has no 32GB option it'll be dead to me.
I'll buy a new iPod instead. Really, this is getting ridiculous.
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a 4" screen...
I spent about 2 grand on phones in 2010-2011. I'll be frugal for the next few years, so whatever phone I get in the next 1-3 months well... I'll just take a contract out cause I won't be giving anything else a try.
They better knock this **** out of the ballpark. Really, they're running out of chances and it's not like the issue of low storage in the devices wasn't a hot topic following the release of the 1st gen WP7 devices...
Though it voids the warranty WP7 are not hard to upgrade the memory. i'm being alittle hypocritical pointing this out, consdiering I bought a 32gb DVP when I could saved $100 getting a cheaper one with lower storage and upgrading. Prior to the DVP comingto AT&T I also got an HTC surround over the LG b/c of storage, though I prefer physical keyboards.
It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
That's like saying it's not hard to remove the battery from an iPhone, in many cases.
$100 to go from 15 to 32G when you can be absolutely assured that it will work correctly is worth it. Many of us would have paid that, but we didn't get the choice - at all.
The DVP didn't have a 32G option until many months after it was released. For the first 6 months or so all Dell Had were 8 and 16 GB options.
Plus that device only has 256MB RAM, IIRC, which is a showstopper for me. Not to mention the camera on it is beyond terrible.
No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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This time around I'm a little undecided. I'm leaning towards the Focus S, but I would consider the Titan too. I would like to have a physical keyboard as well, but it seems all of the Mango devices aren't available with that option. I guess I might hold out for a little while, but I would like to upgrade before the end of the year.
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No. The DVP has 512 but the early tmo ones had a bug where the system only read half of the memory.
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Good to hear. Thanks for correcting that.
The Omnia W has been officially announced today. If anyone can find full specs, please post them
http://wmpoweruser.com/new-samsung-windows-phone-device-omnia-w-announced/
http://asia.cnet.com/crave/samsung-announces-wp7-omnia-w-62211163.htm
Here are the specs: http://sammyhub.com/2011/09/26/samsung-announces-mango-os-running-omnia-w/
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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No SAMOLED+ and just a 3.7" screen...disappointing.
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Supposedly it has lower specs so that it is priced competitively, makes total sense to me since they're already releasing the Focus S with SAMOLED+ and a 4.3" screen.
Jesus, these announcements are going to turn me into a WP7 hater soon.
Just what's wrong with these OEMs? Why in the world do they equate high end with oversized screens?
I'm don't want to go any bigger than 4", but 8GB of storage and PenTile? Screw it.
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It depends on what WP7 device you have. It's not easy to upgrade the storage on an HD7. There is no user-accessible SD Card Slot. You literally have to open some of these phones up to get at those slots. Lots of devices have tape inside that clearly indicates if teh phone has been opened up. Some of them have stuff in the screws that makes it obvious if you even stuck a screwdriver in them, nevermind opened it up, and they'll void your warranty if that's been tampered with (they won't even touch it, they'll just say you're on your own - I know people this has happened to).
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There's a pretty easy to follow guide to change the HD7's SD Card without voiding warranty. Don't have to take out the screw with the void warranty sticker on it & can move the tape out of the way pretty easily. That being said, never done it, because of the compatibility issues with SD Cards & WP7.
http://www.neowin.net/news/nokia-searay-sabre-and-ace-specs-leak
Nokia SeaRay:3.7 inch AMOLED touch screen, a 1.4 Ghz processor, 16 GB of storage, and an eight megapixel camera.
Nokia Saber: 3.7 inch LCD display, a 1.4 Ghz processor, 8 GB of storage,interchangeable back cover and a five megapixel camera
Nokia Ace(Rumored for ATT):4.3 inch touch screen, a 1.4 Ghz CPU, 8 megapixel camera with auto focus, 16 GB of storage and support for the faster LTE wireless network
Wish the screen was 4inches for Searay though =/
EDIT: To have curved screen
they all sound nice but im committed to HTC especially since after they made that deal with beats audio.
No 32GB, no sale.
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Beats Audio isnt anything but a brand, I dont see how they make HTC your exclusive choice =/
Expandable memory?
Agree. The specs are all unenthusiastic, and they're all 16GB phones. Are Microsoft and their OEM partners really that hopelessly clueless. Only Dell released a 32GB device so far (not counting unsupported hacks).
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Beats Audio isnt anything but a brand, I dont see how they make HTC your exclusive choice =/
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So is Wolfson and other superior audio systems that exist in PMPs and other smartphones.
Seems like Nokia is going to try to sell WP7 devices on the merits of a great camera and value add features like free true VG-TBT Nav. Not sure how well that's gonna work.
I just paid over $250 for a new iPod Touch for apps. Maybe that's what Microsoft should focus on. Bigger internal storage and getting good apps ported from iOS. Incentivise developers, like they did for the WebOS people.
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No 32GB, no sale.
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who cares about storage capacity with things like SkyDrive,Zune and those other streaming apps? I have 16gb with about 2700 songs and still have plenty of space left.
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I've been sold on HTC since well before that deal. don't understand why so many people are hating on beats.
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who cares about storage capacity with things like SkyDrive,Zune and those other streaming apps? I have 16gb with about 2700 songs and still have plenty of space left.
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I have to agree with Peew & N8ter on this one. Local storage always beats any cloud based work around. Cloud requires Data & most US carriers limit data usage. I have a 16GB HD7 & only have 3.8 GB left. That could easily be used up if I put more movies on my device (only have 1). A year ago, it wasn't a big deal. Now, it is, especially w/o user expandable storage...
What'd be really nice, a 8/16/32 GB option for built in NAND memory & an non hot swappable SD card slot that you can add up to 32 GB extra.
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I've been sold on HTC since well before that deal. don't understand why so many people are hating on beats.
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From what I understand & may be wrong, it's only headphones. Not the built in speakers. I'm personally looking at the new Nokia Ace if it really comes to T-Mobile USA & the specs are true. I can deal with 16 GB for now, next batch better see better storage though. Sadly, the HTC Titan doesn't look to be coming to TMOUSA
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I have to agree with Peew & N8ter on this one. Local storage always beats any cloud based work around. Cloud requires Data & most US carriers limit data usage. I have a 16GB HD7 & only have 3.8 GB left. That could easily be used up if I put more movies on my device (only have 1). A year ago, it wasn't a big deal. Now, it is, especially w/o user expandable storage...
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my carrier doesn't limit data. iPhone users aren't complaining about their space are they? especially considering that iTunes music has file sizes larger than those used by Zune.
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my carrier doesn't limit data. iPhone users aren't complaining about their space are they? especially considering that iTunes music has file sizes larger than those used by Zune.
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iPhone 4 has a 32 GB version. So, of course not... Not to mention, most iPhone owners are Mac fanbois & would buy a rock named iRock for $1000 if Apple made it.
elcapo24682 said:
who cares about storage capacity with things like SkyDrive,Zune and those other streaming apps? I have 16gb with about 2700 songs and still have plenty of space left.
All your songs must been ripped at 96kbps.
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All your songs must been ripped at 96kbps.
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yea some are 96k wma pro, most are 64k wma pro and the rest are the 192k wma pro from the Zune marketplace.
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All your songs must been ripped at 96kbps.
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Agreed, I have 36 GB of Music alone. Don't need them all on my phone, but still, can't even do half. That's not even counting the 162 GB of movies/tv shows. Like I said + 32 GB NAND plus a 32GB SD Card would be nice, but I'm probably dreaming, lol... & let's not forget apps use storage space & they are pretty big...
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my carrier doesn't limit data. iPhone users aren't complaining about their space are they? especially considering that iTunes music has file sizes larger than those used by Zune.
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Most users' carriers do limit data now, so that argument is a bit weak.
Apple only sells two versions of the iPhone 4, a 16GB version and a 32GB version. They don't even offer an 8GB configuration any longer on new models.
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Most users' carriers do limit data now, so that argument is a bit weak.
Apple only sells two versions of the iPhone 4, a 16GB version and a 32GB version. They don't even offer an 8GB configuration any longer on new models.
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yea but because of the formats used in iTune$ it will seem less than that.
Same here.
Dont' even have data included with my carrier. I want a pmp which is also a phone. I'd love to leave Apple for the WP version of the N9, but if the stuck with low end devices, no way.
And, honestly, what about your awesome cloud far from any town, in the (french) countryside?
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And, honestly, what about your awesome cloud far from any town, in the (french) countryside?
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last year with my carrier when I went from Chicago to Atlanta I only lost my 3G signal in a blast zone (which u aren't supposed to have ur phone active there anyway) lots of farmland in between those 2 cities.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/nokia-searay-sabre-and-ace-specs-leak
Wish the screen was 4inches for Searay though =/
EDIT: To have curved screen
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your wrong the there will be to sea ray like devices but one is 3.7 inch while the other will be 4 inch here is the link. http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-ace-have-4-3-amoled-display-and-hspa
edit here is the right link:http://wmpoweruser.com/rumour-nokia-ace-with-4-3-inch-screen-leaked/
Edit again: it seems your are right are didnt read carfully enough to look a the specs of the sea ray and sabre
You might've misinterpreted. I simply was looking into the Searay for sometime. Yeah the Nokia Ace will hold 4.3inches but that's too big for my taste and its for ATT =/
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last year with my carrier when I went from Chicago to Atlanta I only lost my 3G signal in a blast zone (which u aren't supposed to have ur phone active there anyway) lots of farmland in between those 2 cities.
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Well,
I'm sorry, but that's nuts. It depends on your carrier, the mountains around you, the kind of data you're streaming....
And you live in the USA, not in Soviet Russia.
BTW, what about your little autonomy? 10 hours are perfectelly fine, like your 96k files? My bad.
Thought this might be interesting if I go by things I read on different threads.
This won't be the case but let's assume you can get any phone on any carrier and price isn't an issue.
How would you pick your next phone?
I allowed for multiple choice but try not to vote for 6 out of 8 or this won't teach us anything specific. And if you picked "Other", what did you have in mind?
Other: gyroscope support and > 1 GHz processor
My most important features: Screen size (less than 4"), Camera (high quality with dual led), and something not there build quality.
I am pretty much all in for the Nokia 800. Second choice is the Samsung Omnia W.
For me there has to be a hardware keyboard - I just hate capacitive touch keyboards.
Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
I LOVE massive phones, I went from my HD2, to an HD7, and if God would answer my prayers, the Titan would come to T-Mobile, though, soon enough it won't matter as I'm hoping we become AT&T. So, I voted for FFC since it's already a given to me that I'm going for a big phone. Screen type would probably be a close second for me, as I like the HD7 screen, but really wish it were a higher quality, but hey, I'm asking to be spoiled now, right?
It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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Price, can't be more than $100 with no contract. And of course, significantly better than my LG Quantum, otherwise I have no reason to upgrade.
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Yeah I guessed price would come up for many people as well as choice given by the carrier which is why I said in the first post regardless of price and availability
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It's odd to see one user out of two ready to buy a phone on its brand alone
I personally go for what I find better overall regardless of the OEM.
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I personally love HTC, I know I'm probably in the current minority, for some odd reason as they're the only phones to consistently update without an issue, but Nokia is also winning over my heart.
I really want my Mozart to be my last HTC ever. But it's been my desire to abandon them since like 2005, and I still was forced to buy their stuff because others were mostly even worse.
In your list, it goes like this: screen less than 4", 16GB minimum (64 preferred), usable camera, 1500+ mAH battery. No pentile crap. Looks are also kind of important, but I can live with something less than stellar.
The leaks and announcements really make me sad, I don't see anything really attractive. SeaRay is almost there but it looks like it'll come with PenTile, so it's most probably a no go...
I'm with FiyaFleye, I like HTC and and have seen problems that would affect with other OEMS that I don't have with my Fuze. Nokia I have no idea on that but haven't had one in 4 yrs and it was a dumbphone. However not willing to wait another 3 months+ for them either. I would like a hardware keyboard with a smaller screen would be first choice, or go with a big screen so I can type well. Extra nick nacks are always a plus if they are usable, and 1 gig > processor for some future app usage is good too.
This list would have been so much easier in Aug before they started announcing phones, I'm just waiting for mine to come to the USA.
I'd love to get my hands on a Nokia WP7 phone, but that could take a while and the HTC Titan is kinda expensive over here.
I'll prolly just get a Samsung Omnia W if I get too impatient, really wanna see what the better CPU/GPU can do for my emulator.
Also I'd really like to see some 32GB storage phones, 8GB is just killing me on my Trophy.
1. Storage, it must be at least 32gb
2. Nokia
I will only consider getting a phone that isn't a nokia if the storage space is 32gb or above (and nokia only offer 16gb variants).
If storage space doesn't improve by the end of the year I will probably jump ship to android, even though I prefer Windows Phone my music collection is a must for me.
I'm hoping *fingers crossed* that the Nokia 800 will come in 16gb and 64gb variants like the N9 and thus will be my next phone (in blue )
Manufacturer is gonna come into play for my next WP7. IE i'm not having another Samsung phone.
I went with screen size. 3.5" ish would be good. Also, want good battery life. At least a 1500mah battery.
Funny how so few people picked FF Camera when it's supposed to be an epic fail not to have it since Apple "invented" video chat
I would have bought that Samsung Omnia 7 W like today if it came with 16 GB...
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1. Storage...at least 32 GB
3. Camera quality
3. Screen quality
I don't know any one that actually uses the FFC...nothing but a gimmick.
I´m asking myself if I need a new WP in general...
My OMNIA 7 has all features I use daily (less DLNA and skype support).
So today I took a look at the new HTC devices:
1. HTC Omega is too small.
2. HTC Titan is too big for my taste.
The display is much better than the HD7 display but not even better than the OMNIA 7 display. Also the general quality of the phone is very good: less plastic parts and good working hardware buttons (compared with the HD7).
Do I need a HTC Titan 4.7" notebook in my pocket ? I don´t think so.
The upcoming OMNIA W will only have 8 GB, maybe 16GB... is this what I need ? I don´t think so either.
A general question is: Do I really need a FF cam ? How many videocalls I made in the past ? I only made normal voip calls...
I would say the only hope is that the NOKIA Empire strikes back... and I don´t think that the new devices will have more than 16 GB.
I hope that I´m wrong, but I think it´s better to wait 3 or 4 month before buying a new WP.
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I never thought I'd say this, but camera is my #1. Since everyone seems to be pinching pennies these days and both of my old 5MP point-and-shoots are just crappy, my phone has become my #1 camera for both stills and video. I remember when cameras first came out on cell phones and I was thinking, "why?" All that, and baby is now 12 weeks old, so I'm taking pictures like crazy!
Screen size is a close second. I doubt I could ever go smaller than my 4" Focus screen at this point.
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
And the gorgeous Sony Xperia U/P phones are using android-laughable, mere Dual Core 1GHz "old" chips in 2012.
That being said, I love the direction new Sony Mobile is going in. Eye-catching phones with reasonable specs. Nothing overboard like 4.7" Quad Core. All we hear in here is specs specs specs, yet we are seeing a regression in certain areas among specific phones in the Android world. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say Windows Phone is crap because 16GB no SD card slot is not going to be enough I would be retired.
What do Windows Phones need?
CPU: Modest Dual Core CPU only for the accompanying GPU to play nice games.
Handsets: More handsets on more carriers, and more nice ones like the Lumia 800/900. Would love to see Sony get into the Windows Phone game but that will not happen until Apple starts suing them too. And hey, if the S is popular enough that may happen.
Apps: More apps.
And that is it. Because a fantastic looking phone that is stable, smooth, has great battery life, and a huge library of apps is the recipe for success.
end rant.
I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Dr.8820 said:
I don't pay any of that junk attention, it's usually always the same people anyway....they'll see a shiny, new Android phone and the first thing they do is say "see, WP doesn't have this..it's a failure..". I read something the other day that made me literally laugh out loud: they said the"Windows fanboys" would change their tune about multiple cores...if the phone already comes with it, why wouldn't it be supported!?! I have repeatedly said I own an Evo 3D and an HD7, one has a single core processor, the other, a dual core processor...guess which one is smoother?
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
I agree, that's why I lol. ..some folks you just can't please: a person posted that you can't download mp3s over the air with WP, I said you can with the right app ( I use the full version of easyring ), they then complained that it wasn't free like Android lol...
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I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
I pretty much silenced the entire quadcore android leaks...what MS needs to do thread when I posted 2 sources stating that multi cores were coming. I know N8ter got banned and he was the biggest one, who else got banned?
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Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Well, sometimes it is hard to ignore the junk when you read it everyday. A large part of the noise went away when bans were handed out.
But what is wrong with us all when specs matter regardless of how useable those specs are? I am beyond curious to see what battery life they 4.7" ultrasharp, ultracore phones are going to have and how people will be able to justify it.
I like my car fast, but I do not think its acceptable if I need to refuel constantly and carry around a fuel cannister in my trunk cuz the gas mileage sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I disappeared because of the constant Android fanfare here and the lack of action by the moderators. I had to constantly ***** about it in PM to them because they would hand out a warning to me and allow them to continue ruining the experience here.
I honestly don't think that these specs going on in the mobile world are going to last though. It's very reminiscent of the power wars with PCs a few years back. Ultimately, efficiency won out and not "omg I have 7ghz." And I think you're seeing that with Windows 8, where no new specs are required. We're seeing that with Windows Phone - where an older snapdragon feels like a newly released processor.
I'm honestly happy with my HD7, I have been since day one. The OS, the apps, and the experience has done nothing but improve every single day. With the exception of HTCs HORRIBLE driver release and bugs, it has been as solid as solid can be.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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You guys know how I feel about this. I one of the big supporters of the cloud, pandora, zune pass, etc when it comes to music. While I would love a little more space, I have a boat load of music on my phone, I stream even more, and I have 7gb left after a year and a half lol.
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He forgot to mention they will be available in 16 32, and I think 64 gb variations.
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Forgot? The 4.3" Samsung Focus S comes in 16/32GB options as well in the same phone. The HTC One S 4.3" is 16GB. So I need to get a 4.7" phone in order to enjoy 32GB if I want an HTC One? Maybe that will change but as far as I see there are no variations.
But to be balanced I agree phones should come in 16/32GB variations. The Cloud is not a good answer for why only 8GB.
This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I think the forum is generally silent because you don't spend time tinkering with WP, it works. My point (and I think the Op's) is that having multiple cores on a cellphone doesn't guarantee a speedy user experience. No matter how much we go back and forth, some people can't accept that there are a select few that actually enjoy their phones without worrying what the other guys are doing .
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
Not really anything new since the past two nexus phones haven't had SD slots, but it's definitely not going to help HTC with sales. Personally, I won't even consider buying a phone unless it has expandable storage. I passed on the Palm Pre back in the day for that very reason even though at the time it was the nicest phone Sprint had and I was stuck with a three year old Sanyo dumbphone.
It's a shame OEMs are following in Apple's footsteps with regard to non-expandable storage (unless you buy a whole new device for more money) and none removable batteries.
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This is hilarious!
It takes android phones 4 cores to get near the smooth experience windows phone offers with only one core.
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Not really on topic to this fora, but this being XDA we should at least try to keep information on here accurate.
It's a very common misconception that hardware will be able to fix Android's stuttering when it's a software issue. It comes down to the fact that Google hasn't optimized the Linux kernel for Mobile Devices instead of PCs. It doesn't give priority to the UI with CPU usage, so if something else wants CPU time the UI performance will suffer. Not to mention a thread can only run on one CPU so the other cores would just sit idle regardless. Hardware rendering has also always been available, but due to it's overhead there are times when it can actually hinder performance.
The article below deals primarily with Android, but the underlying issues apply to pretty much all operating systems.
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I'm not sure the op had a point. It just seemed like the loling about certain new android phones having undesirable attributes. It seemed more about the sd card than the cores, anyway.
If I understand correctly, SD cards are being designed this way so that both system and user memory are combined into one; that way, there's no longer a hard system app limit, aside from of course the SD capacity. (I could be completely off.)
But all in all, what's the point of a thread on this? If you consider lack of SD card to be a dealbreaker like the people in the OP supposedly did, then yes, you won't be buying the One X. So what? Buy something else. Perhaps if there'd been a system change that made Android no longer support SD cards, then it'd be amusingly ironic. But you're talking about 3 phones here..
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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what he's trying to say is that all the Android fanboys come in here and poke fun at and chant failure to all the WP phones that don't have removable storage and that now has come back at them with the newer android phones not having removable storage where as the WP8 phones will.
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Three new android phones don't have removable storage, yes, I get that. So what? There are so many other new devices that, if an android fanboy don't want the One X, he don't have to get it. Saying "haha you can't get these particular devices" isn't actually saying anything, when the dissers have a varied enough ecosystem to draw upon. Maybe if they were all HTC fans (but HTC isn't even the #1 seller anymore, so..)
nicksti said:
Yes, this is an angry rant but this needs to be done.
After this forum has to endure relentless abuse from people about certain hardware decisions surrounding Windows Phone, I find it more than mildly amusing that these 3 flagship phones:
HTC One X - 4.7" Quad Core 1.5GHz 8MP
HTC One XL - 4.7" Dual Core 1.5GHz LTE 8MP
HTC One S - 4.3" Dual Core 1.5GHz 8MP
All have one thing in common: No SD Card Slot.
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I am perfectly fine if an android phone doesn't have a SD card slot. Those are on the big side of the big-small continuum. I don't think I would want a phone without a micro SD card slot unless it was a cheap and small phone. Even then, I don't know if I would do one without a micro SD card slot. Of it is cheap, the it probably won't have much in the way of storage space.
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drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Wow, N8ter got banned? I guess i been away for a while. I stopped paying attention to XDA for a while, because of him & a few others.
Ok, back on topic. Yeah, these specs do seem a little stupid, but this is even on WP7. I must say that the OEM's need to make better devices & give better choices on memory size. At least give a few versions; 8/16/32 GB. Not force everyone to one size. 16 GB is good enough for me for now, but I can see how some people could use more. 8 GB is just laughable IMO for that matter, but some people just don't need that much space I guess.
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Wow... i haven't paid any attention to that guy for awhile!
But yeah... OEM is thinking that customer will not need more than 16GB of data which is wrong. And they are thinking that people would not want laggy performance, so they don't use the SD Card to prevent this.
That is what i think.
But, the problem with this, i have said many times , that people will never know that Windows Phone run smoother in One Core only, they will still believe in the number and the mouth of the representative. "2 Cores will be better than 1, 2 is bigger than 1" .
Same Sh!t, Different Day. (S.S.D.D)
sylau90 said:
Since this General forum is so quiet recently,proves that the reason I remained silence is correct due to the typical WP7 fans like above?
if bashing android like you said making you happy,then just do it.
just want to say single core android can run as smooth as WP7 when it only build to run easy stuffs like on WP7.
Will back to my silent state again...think and experience always make you better....
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Same reason I stopped posting in here.
I'm on single core and having a extremely smooth experience.
Its also extremely annoying not having removable storage as Nicksi pointed out. That and the non removable batteries are big issue.
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What windows needs is more apps Had a windows phone for a while so many of the apps arent updated (like angry birds)