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UK User Desire or N1?

Hello guys,
I've put my HD2 up for sale and i'm looking for a Android phone.
I've obviously got the Desire and N1 in mind however choosing between the two i'm just so unsure.
The Desire has the SenseUI which I love on my HD2, and by my understanding the Widgets are pretty good compared to the N1, but the Android updates will be slower because of SenseUI needing to be integrated on each release.
But I have to admit i'm one of those people who needs a device running on the latest software being all it can be, so with the fact the N1 is already on Froyo 2.2 i'm then pulled towards this phone, as I'm doubtful the Desire will receive the same support over time.
Also if I Root the N1 I presume some people are putting Sense UI on the N1's and I could do the same>?
Likewise could I do the same thing on the Desire, i.e. Vanilla Froyo 2.2 without SenseUI on the Desire? or are they different internally?
My other headache is I would need to buy the N1 from the states, and am concerned of it not working properly in the UK.
with pinch to zoom on the N1 now, the only difference is the slightley different pshyical layout, and SenseUI, with N1 getting the updates first.
If i've said anything incorrect please let me know, correct me, more information is always good
And if you were buying one now which would you buy?
Thanks, Luke.

Why do you NEED the latest software on the device? Bragging rights?
I went from an HD2 to a Desire and it's the best decision I ever made! Sense is better than on the HD2 - working out of the box - and bar A2SD (which I've added on a custom ROM) there's nothing you need 2.2 for...I'd get the Desire and wait for 2.2 to be released - N1 hardware is a bit pap and trackballs have a habbit of going wrong
This is my own view though

I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1

the reason i look to the N1
is because like soulja i feel the Desire is receiving updates later than the N1. Froyo is a clear example. the N1 has it already. but the Desire is going to get it with no date set. my concern is the supporr HTC will offer in future, because of SenseUI. im concerned that the modding, updates will not be as good or regular.
the reason the HD2 is going is because the app market is naff, and app support is failing as everyone is waiting for WM7.
I need a phone i can fiddle with.

Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo

Sounds like you already set on the n1 but decide to enter a room full of Desire users to dissuade you for some reason.
Do you have to buy from US?

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Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo
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Soe people just need to fiddle, leave them to it! Why make loads of custom roms, and change them on a daily basis and flash all the time! People love doing this, and if the N1 has quicker updates, etc let em have it. I personally would love to have time to fiddle with a phone 24/7, but I get an hour a month, and love my desire out the box and Sense is great! If you don't like fiddling too much then great, but if someone loves fiddling then that's great too! Don't question WHY people want summit they just do! I personally would choose the desire as it's great out the box, and better hardware, and OK I may have to wait a little bit for 2.2/2.3, etc, etc in the future, but so what, it doesn't bother me (it may bother others and so be it!)

I love to fiddle, I cooked ROMs for my HD2 as the stock ROMs were poor to say the least. I'm just wondering why this person needs to fiddle. The phone, out the box, is nigh on perfect so there's not a lot to do. FroYo will be out eventually so probably best to wait for it...
It's purely curiosity

Problem i've faced.
IS that like most things we have an idea of how something should work. Anyone who's used a HD2 is probably well aware of how much better it is with C00kies hometab mod. I can't actually use mine Stock lol.
I've had my HD2 2 a while and have only just released 1.72, where as Unlocked people are rockin' on 2.10 While I no this is more todo with the network than the phone, I'd just like to be using the newer more update features as and when they arrive. I also like applying mods to user interface, and sometime functionality.
I'm doubtful of HTC's commitment to keep the Desire up to date. Sure you might see 2.2 but will you get 3.0? will HTC then have replaced the Desire with a new flagship model and say that the Desire is no longer on the update program?
Oddly my problem is with HTC and there Sense UI, don't get me wrong my HD2 without it is crap, but it slows down the updates significantly with regards to the Android system, and this concerns me.
@panos: the Nexus one isn't available in the UK simfree, so i have to buy from the US. However the Desire I an obtain from a UK retailer.
The Desire is £400
The Nexus1 is £437 phone,shipping,vat,import.

If Google release a new phone then the N1 will also be left out of the loop so that's not really a valid argument. You can get the N1 on Vodafone so you could always get a contract with them (assuming you're due an upgrade).
Your experience of WinMo is the same as mine - I was constantly cooking ROMs and Co0kie's HT was a must for me - but on the Desire I've not needed anything bar trying the new radios. You can't compare the 2 as they're worlds apart!!
I prefer the buttons on the Desire to the touchscreen ones on the N1 - and don't get my started on the stupid ball on the N1!!
End of the day, if you're someone who can't leave something alone then get the N1 but IMO the Desire is a superior device and Sense makes it even better. Plain Android is piss poor and just looks boring...

well in a few month when desire is released in north America It's going to gain a lot more attention.
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souljas said:
I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1
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+1 totally agree with you

quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS

diablous said:
quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS
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If you really like sense ui then i guess the desire is better for you...but personally, after having the G1, i would go for a phone with a better dev community. I miss my g1 and custom roms,,,,it was very fun and i miss those days...
plus as some have said HTC normally are not very quick with updates like the hero
^^^but yeah i hope when usa gets it the deving will improve

Do hope I am not to late to input on this.
Well through a small loop hole in Vodafones mobile network, I managed to get both the Desire and the Nexus 1.
Initially I had an early upgrade from the sony satio (what an awful phone) to the HTC desire, and loved it. Was absolutely fantastic, loved all of it and couldnt think of trading it away.
However, it stopped working all of a sudden. Around 2 hours later on the phone to vodafone, I was sent a Nexus one the next day. To my dismay, my desire started to work again. Happy days. Anyway, after having both phones for around 2 weeks I've decided that I am to sell the desire, even though the nexus would get me more coin. Yeah, it doesnt look as pretty as sense, but after a while you dont miss it. As for rooting and having latest updates, its the way to go.
IMO get the N1, vodafone do a pretty good deal. Best advise is to make the contract over the phone, they will give you near anything if your convincing

I would have got the N1 if I could go back. As for Sense being good looking I have to disagree. HTC have removed the app transitions (the fade in and out) and replaced the 3d app drawer with a plain black app drawer that lags. Also they have managed to make the default music player worse than stock.
The only thing I like about sense is the widgets, but beautiful widgets is an adequate replacement.
Also the N1 is very easy to root and near impossible to brick, whereas HTC have gone out of their way to spoil the fun and prevent us getting a full root (so far)
I am considering selling my Desire and getting the N1

I got a Desire because the N1 was not available on contract if it was I would of probably gone for the N1.
I spent 18 months on a G1 and loved all the support it got from the modding community much the same as the N1 has now, but I also at the time was in awe of the ui on the Hero which turned out to be a better build than the G1 in my opinion, and I questioned my self on if I made the right choice to get the G1 or not or should of waited a bit longer for the Hero to be released.
Since the Hero came out later, it was behind on the modding scene then picked up pace a lot later on, much the same as I imagine the Desire scene will explode sooner or later especially if we get full root on the device, people also say HTC are slow at updates which is true, but I got an update as soon as took it out of the box, but I think due to the N1 not been available on contract though various carriers in the UK until now and as far as I am aware only Vodafone, HTC has has sold a hell of a lot more Desires though various carriers on contract, that i think Vodafone will ever sell of the N1 thus they might realise that 2.2 should be shipped out to the Desire sooner rather than later to keep its users happy.
My friend has a N1 and my personal opinion the Desire looks a hell of a lot better outside and inside.

Android 2.3 and sense?

I'm sure most of you have the heard the fiasco already baout how htc have cancelled the gingerbread update for the desire they have been working on (which was due this month) due to "memory restraints" of having both sense and gingerbread . . . . .
Iv asked this question numorous times but everyone is too angry to answer, Does this only effect the original desire? Or are g2/desire Z users also not receiving gingerbread?

No, only the ORIGINAL desire, for some reason even hd users were freaking out.
Sent from my T-mobile G2

I hope not! Our phones are a much more advanced chipset so it may be ok.
Saying that, I haven't seen a leaked build past the .1 release. The g2 is at .8 final
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Nospin said:
No, only the ORIGINAL desire, for some reason even hd users were freaking out.
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I hope your right as I'm planning to buy a desireZ soon!
craiglay said:
I hope not! Our phones are a much more advanced chipset so it may be ok.
Saying that, I haven't seen a leaked build past the .1 release. The g2 is at .8 final
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Well yeah we do have the 2nd gen processor but afaik the problem was internal memory (ROM) that gingerbread and sense could not both fit. Do the desireZ/g2 have more internal memory then original desire?

Jandyman said:
Well yeah we do have the 2nd gen processor but afaik the probly was internal memory (ROM) that gingerbread and sense could not both fit. Do the desireZ/g2 have more internal memory then original desire?
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They specifically quote RAM (EDIT: Incorrect) which is the same amount as us. The chipset will also use some of the 512MB we have. Could be tight...
[EDIT] No, reading more into it, its ROM [/EDIT]
We have 1GB more ROM that the Desire though.
Craig

If you read some of the posts on the HTC Facebook page, while understandably there is a lot of anger, people are quoting unreasonable comments.
Its a brilliant advert to XDA Developers on there at the moment, but its worth thinking that most of the XDA community ROMS are severely hacked around to work. Most Sense ROMS require EXT3 partitions on SD cards to function. You'll need a pretty quick SD card for that to work.
Also, the Wildfire S is compared which is a device released a year after with Gingerbread specially written for it. It also has much newer hardware inside it!
To be honest (and I'll be flamed beyond belief for this) they really should be grateful HTC tried to upgrade it. They'd be a bit more p***ed off if HTC released it and it was rubbish, or just ignored it saying buy a newer device. In my opinion, HTC should now issue an unlocked bootloader for people to more easily install 3rd party ROMS (along with "break it you're on your own"). This will restore some confidence in HTC's upgrade schedule.
Still Waiting for GB on our DZ ( also, Polaris running stock GB ),
Craig

craiglay said:
If you read some of the posts on the HTC Facebook page, while understandably there is a lot of anger, people are quoting unreasonable comments.
Its a brilliant advert to XDA Developers on there at the moment, but its worth thinking that most of the XDA community ROMS are severely hacked around to work. Most Sense ROMS require EXT3 partitions on SD cards to function. You'll need a pretty quick SD card for that to work.
Also, the Wildfire S is compared which is a device released a year after with Gingerbread specially written for it. It also has much newer hardware inside it!
To be honest (and I'll be flamed beyond belief for this) they really should be grateful HTC tried to upgrade it. They'd be a bit more p***ed off if HTC released it and it was rubbish, or just ignored it saying buy a newer device. In my opinion, HTC should now issue an unlocked bootloader for people to more easily install 3rd party ROMS (along with "break it you're on your own"). This will restore some confidence in HTC's upgrade schedule.
Still Waiting for GB on our DZ ( also, Polaris running stock GB ),
Craig
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Fantastic post sir!
Sent from my T-mobile G2

Guesses on details of the official 2.3 release?

I've been checking the tech news blogs pretty much every day for the past week now waiting on word of HTC's official 2.3 release for the Desire. I'm really curious what they're going to do for the update!
Just for fun (and to kill some time in between), I was wondering what you all thought HTC might do... I'm doubtful of all the chatter saying they'll be putting out stock Gingerbread for this update. I'd guess (and am hopeful) they'll be putting a more streamlined version of Sense on the phone. Personally I really dig the skin.
But I'm even *more* hopeful they'll leave so much damned space left over on the ROM I won't have to worry about low disk space notifications ever again (even though indie developers fixed that a long time ago).
By the way, long time xda reader, first time poster. Thanks for everything.

Quick Office,
Facebook,
Google Maps,
Google Search,
You Tube,
Google Voice Search,
Think some or all of above will go as I can't think of much else from FroYo ROM can be downloaded from Market.
Plurk will probably be gone too from leaked GB
I think they should move some bits to HTC Hub though like Teeter and Stocks.
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pumpkinpatch said:
But I'm even *more* hopeful they'll leave so much damned space left over on the ROM I won't have to worry about low disk space notifications ever again (even though indie developers fixed that a long time ago).
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Doubtful. The initial reason for Gingerbread not coming to the Desire was lack of space - which is true because the amount available on the Desire is abysmal compared to most other phones and you can't change the HBoot partition layout with an RUU/OTA because of S-On (to my knowledge). So to get Gingerbread and Sense on there they'll need to strip it out just to fit and move stuff around, you'll likely end up with less space than before.
I'd wait till it's released and A2SD+ is added by one of our resident geniuses.

YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
HTC will release a OLD version of sense, if not 1.9 then 2.0 on 2.3.3.... i will be very surprised (and impressed) if they could fit any thing newer into the phones stock memory, even if they got sense into it the phone carriers still want to put there crappy apps on top of it to make it to big for the phone.

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Doubtful. The initial reason for Gingerbread not coming to the Desire was lack of space - which is true because the amount available on the Desire is abysmal compared to most other phones and you can't change the HBoot partition layout with an RUU/OTA because of S-On (to my knowledge). So to get Gingerbread and Sense on there they'll need to strip it out just to fit and move stuff around, you'll likely end up with less space than before.
I'd wait till it's released and A2SD+ is added by one of our resident geniuses.
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Well sure they can change partition layout. S-on just means that the bootloader only allows flashing of files signed with the right signature. HTC will of course have this signature, and they use it to sign every update and ruu.
So yes they can indeed flash another bootloader both using ota and ruu, so if they want to, they can change the partition layout.

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YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
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This one doesn't actually pretend to be a '2.3 is coming' thread though - from the offset it says that it is to guess what's changed in the release when it comes.
If all they are doing is removing apps then all they can realistically remove are the ones dev's normally remove/update from a release anyway, being google's apps that are in the market, and quickoffice and facebook.
Everything else I think is sense/HTC related
Since they don't elude to moving anything like teeter/stocks to HTC Hub to be downloaded if one so wishes, which would be the only other sensible thing to try and squeeze a little more space out of the phone, (other than changing partition sizes which I doubt will happen)

I myself have also been eagerly waiting on stock gingerbread. Never took the plunge to run a custom rom, because stock froyo still runs super smooth, after almost a year. Now that htc claims to remove apps to make room for gingerbread + sense, Im starting to wonder whether the amount of free space will be even less than there is now. The internal storage problem has been my only issue. Knowing it will decrease even more when gingerbread is released, I dont see any benefits to the update, apart from having official gingerbread for the desire, which can be used to make custom roms lacking the internal storage issue.

Guessing on the content or perhaps lack thereof.
HTC is most likely not going to be messing with the HBoot layout, since that would mean user data would be lost. I'm sure that's not acceptable for an OTA.
So all that's left for them is to remove extra apps they loaded into the system partition to make space for whatever components have grown.
Pretty sure things like Plurk and a few others will face the axe.
The version of Sense will be anyones guess, however seeing they put out a test rom with the version of sense that was already on the desire and it fit the existing hboot layout: I'm betting it going to be a more recent version of sense, else they would not need the extra space from removing apps.

Yeah, I never tried to imply this was an "official" release thread... just wanted to shoot the breeze about what you thought might come out from HTC. I think most of you got that, though.
According to HTC's Desire/Gingerbread Update page on Facebook they're supposed to be announcing a release schedule early this week. Seeing as it's Tuesday already we should be hearing something soon.
As for repartitioning the HBOOT layout, I do recall reading somewhere (I can't remember where now) that this update might only be available as an install file to use with HTC Sync and not an OTA update. Again, this was just a rumor I read somewhere, but that might make some sense as most everyone who is rabid for an official 2.3 release would most likely know how to apply that update, and would be able to cope with their contacts/settings being wiped. Casual users, on the other hand, might not be able to deal with that, but also not care so much about updating to GB.
Anyway, still waiting...

I dont care much for sense or which version they will include, i run launcherpro anyways im just happy we will get gingerbread after all and they can remove all lame social apps that i dont use anyways.

Yes those social apps are so ANYOING... I dunno why there are included? I can go to Facebook witout stupid app...
Houpe for 2.1 (3) Sense and striped GingerBread without Google Voice Search, Facebook, HTC Wallpapers, Google Search, You Tube

average joe probably wants facebook preinstalled.

Rageypeep said:
YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
HTC will release a OLD version of sense, if not 1.9 then 2.0 on 2.3.3.... i will be very surprised (and impressed) if they could fit any thing newer into the phones stock memory, even if they got sense into it the phone carriers still want to put there crappy apps on top of it to make it to big for the phone.
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YAY! Yet another wanna be Mod. You knew by the title what the thread was about so why did you click on it and open the thread??

Facebook, Twitter, etc are what I want to remove.
Anyway, while waiting for the official 2.3, I managed to root the Desire. And I'm told that by rooting, I would not get OTA updates anymore. I will try to flash a 2.3 before the official one comes out.

nqk said:
Facebook, Twitter, etc are what I want to remove.
Anyway, while waiting for the official 2.3, I managed to root the Desire. And I'm told that by rooting, I would not get OTA updates anymore. I will try to flash a 2.3 before the official one comes out.
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Google+ will be the next one then!

Well here in Aus, Telstra (the telcom who distribute the Desire exclusively) are planning to go ahead with the whole stock AOSP gingerbread update. Dunno how it will work... I'm sure quite a few unknowing owners are going to have a shock when they upgrade to find no Sense anymore (whether that be a good or bad thing for them).

Can't see HTC allowing that as Sense is what they sell as there unique selling point. They wouldn't remove Sense to please a few customers

nqk, I've been running Insertcoin on my Desire for the past few days... I highly recommend it. Haven't looked back since installing.
OK so it's Thursday now, which definitely qualifies as *later* in the week. Seems to me like HTC's hitting some road bumps on this update. (Am I being too hard on their software engineers?)

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Can't see HTC allowing that as Sense is what they sell as there unique selling point. They wouldn't remove Sense to please a few customers
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I agree -
so... how's the Sensation?

It's awesome!! SO much better than the Desire IMO. Slight possibility my Aunt just got an unbranded unit so possible swaps on the cards Anyway, this from HTC UK's FB page this morning:
"Update: 30.06.11
Hi all- We're excited to share that we are testing our build of Gingerbread for HTC Desire and will start doing quality assurance for it this week. When we have an update on availability we'll post another announcement. Thanks for your patience."
Nearly there...

[Q] Sensation or DHD

Hi All,
I have the chance to get a Sensation tomorrow for free
I currently use the DHD and think the phone is awesome. Has anyone here had experience with both? I just wondered if the Sensation actually compares to the DHD or if it has any problems etc.
The main thing I can see immediately is the Sensation still doesn't have full root where as my DHD has boot unlocked and full root access so I swap my roms around quite often. Hopefully this will come soon to the sensation.
Anyway, if people who have already defected or played with both could let me know whether I'll feel impressed if I do get the Sensation please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

never mind,... only searched the DHD forums... just found this on the sensation forums.
same question sorry!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170169

I think you should go for sensation as i dont think its gonna take too long for the developers on xda to root it. hope for the best

Moreover its better to have latest hardware to be future proof as the mobile hardware is improving drastically with cellphones having dual core processors and 1gb ram

For free? Seriously? Then why you're still asking this question? Just go for it already. You're the 2nd person i've met who gets sensation for free.
Dammit you're so lucky.
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I think you should go for sensation as i dont think its gonna take too long for the developers on xda to root it. hope for the best
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Won't be necessary. Htc have announced they will be unlocking the Sensation bootloader via ota in August. The phone is already rootable for those who were light enough to get themselves an unlocked engineering phone.
Sent from my Cyanogenmod 7 phone.

For free then yes, as said when bootloader is unlocked devs will support it just think of it as a faster bigger brother to the DHD.
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Thanks for the replies everyone even though this is a double post
Sounds fairly unanimous to me, guess I'll have to pick it up

sensation definitely

I wouldn't go for the Sensation just yet, because I don't see any direct benefits from it, except for the higher resolution screen and the dual-core CPU. It is even a downgrade in some terms, since it's flash memory is smaller than DHD's. 1080p recording isn't a big of a deal, since the camera quality is just as bad as with all the other HTC devices. If you are after the fancy Sense 3.0 stuff, you can have it on your DHD with custom ROMs already. Plus, the high res is relatively new and there are still apps on the market you will have issues with. Thus, I would wait (and I will ) for the next flagship device, when the high res stuff is well established and there are no compatibility issues etc.
BUT, if you can get it for free and can live without root for some time, it's a different story, of course. Since its value is higher than that of DHD, I would probably go for it, but only to sell it later and get the next, proper flagship device

Funnily enough svyat that was my initial thought on the matter but you seem fairly certain this won't be HTC's flagship device. I don't really follow this stuff as much as I used to, do you know something I don't?? Do HTC have something else hidden away that they are going to sneak out anytime soon?
Cheers.

Called the htc holiday
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Flagship phones only remain so for around 6 months, so continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile. If your Sensation is 'free' on a new 18/24 month contract, I'd be inclined to wait and see what HTC announce in the next couple of months...

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you seem fairly certain this won't be HTC's flagship device.
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It definitely is their current flagship device.
Pasting said:
do you know something I don't??
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Not really, but eventually there will be another flagship device anyway.
mattmiller said:
Called the htc holiday
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This could well be it
mjt said:
Flagship phones only remain so for around 6 months
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True
mjt said:
continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile
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Wrong. I need to have the best flagship device at all times

svyat said:
I wouldn't go for the Sensation just yet, because I don't see any direct benefits from it, except for the higher resolution screen and the dual-core CPU. It is even a downgrade in some terms, since it's flash memory is smaller than DHD's. 1080p recording isn't a big of a deal, since the camera quality is just as bad as with all the other HTC devices. If you are after the fancy Sense 3.0 stuff, you can have it on your DHD with custom ROMs already. Plus, the high res is relatively new and there are still apps on the market you will have issues with. Thus, I would wait (and I will ) for the next flagship device, when the high res stuff is well established and there are no compatibility issues etc.
BUT, if you can get it for free and can live without root for some time, it's a different story, of course. Since its value is higher than that of DHD, I would probably go for it, but only to sell it later and get the next, proper flagship device
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+1. My criteria for a device is a) Android, b) good spec, c) "supported" by xda-developers
For the last point, read ROMs and the knowledge base.
All the same, if anyone wants to give me a Sensation, I won't refuse

Well... ok, maybe I should qualify my statement.
Continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile if you haven't got pocket-loads of disposable income. If you have, then go for it....
Since getting married and having children, such care-free days of unbridled tech-spending are long gone....

senstation is faster

sensation in better

Listen it's already confirmed Att will be releasing the htc holiday across the seas. It's estimated the name here in the us would be the Inspire HD. Jus like the mytouch series and the vibrant series. This phone is expected to be packed and quad core probably with the latest dual core chipset by the time it's released, be the best an latest. Wait till the htc holiday, it will be out this year around the 4th quarter of the year.
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mjt said:
Well... ok, maybe I should qualify my statement.
Continually clamouring after the latest-and-greatest is futile if you haven't got pocket-loads of disposable income. If you have, then go for it....
Since getting married and having children, such care-free days of unbridled tech-spending are long gone....
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You can also sell your current device and use the proceeds to buy the next best thing.

ICS update up in the air now?

Droid-Life just posted some new dates for the expected Ice Cream Sandwich update. Apparently HTC is now listing the DINC2 as being "To be determined (by the end of August). This doesn't sound very promising to me anymore. Not sure what may have changed but obviously something has.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/2...lt-in-july-august-incredible-2-up-in-the-air/
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Hopefully, the devs can figure out things even if this does not drop for us.

thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless

nitsuj17 said:
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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I think this is correct.

nitsuj17 said:
thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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One can hope that is for sure. However, with Verizon nothing surprises me as they like to cancel things at the last moment up to and including whole phones.

Yeah, the Thunderbolt and the Evo Design 4G both have our exact same chipset, so I don't see why it wouldn't be around June or so (once again, barring VZW's inane approval process).
EDIT: I think this is causing an unnecessary freakout. It's the Schedule that is TBD, not the update itself.
The majority of devices will receive upgrades in June and July 2012 and we expect to finish upgrades in August 2012 for all announced devices.
Our device has been announced by HTC and VZW as getting the upgrade. I'm willing to bet it's >90% done already by HTC, it's just a matter of when at this point.
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Eh... not too worried. We will get it when we get it.

For the benefit of those in here, I am quoting my post from the OpenSense ROM thread:
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i posted in the thread in general....
my best guess is that "tbd" refers to when they actually will release, but "by the end of august" is the latest they will release it
wouldnt make sense to not release an update for a semi popular phone (or at least 10x popular as the rhyme) that is running the same chipset as so many of the other phones on that list
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PLUS, and a huge plus, they said they will update it. I believe they should and would realize what a faux pas it will be if they now come out and say, you know what "We ain't gonna release it".
Plus, after scrutinizing the language used in the following sentences:
When will my device get the Android 4.0 upgrade?
The target timeline for announced devices is below. Because of partner and network testing, and approval processes for device updates, it can take up to 45 days for all carriers and countries to get the update after a rollout has begun.
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It sounds to me that they are going to release ICS for the Dinc2. It is on the list of devices with a schedule of release dates... PLUS, a FAQ below says this:
What devices will not get Android 4.0?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB ROM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.0. These devices include the HTC ChaCha, HTC Salsa, HTC Wildfire S, HTC Explorer, and others.
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Now, tell me how can you even think that the Dinc2 is not getting ICS when, (a) it is in the list of devices scheduled to get ICS some time back, (b) it is in the table of devices getting ICS and the corresponding timelines and (c) it is NOT in the list of devices specifically mentioned as not getting ICS?
So, verdict: Chill out man! Our phone is gonna get some ICS love!
Captain Obvious, over and out.
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Not double posting. Just letting people get the relevant info as they probably wouldn't have expected the info to be in that other thread. Lemme know if I did something wrong! (hope not)

Verizon has a way of disappointing customers with last second decisions. I have been a customer of Verizon for over a decade so I have an idea of what I am talking about.
Of course, I hope for the best but they have a distinct way of stating things so that it can be left open for doubt. As the date for the release indicates. All other devices got a, very rare, 2 month expected date. Ours didn't. Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".

blazingwolf said:
Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".
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LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...

litetaker said:
LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.

blazingwolf said:
You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.
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Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.

litetaker said:
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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litetaker said:
Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.
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Perhaps, but take the time to read the threads and you will notice that all devs say they need source code to do it right. Notice they have not said the source code for the IncS.
Anyways, I'm not going to debate it with you anymore. Only time will tell if we get an actual ICS release or not.

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Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.

I have been with Verizon for 10 years about now. I always loved the service but over the last 2 years they are pissing me off. First they screwed over the droidx2. Then the unlimited data is going away and now the Dinc2 might not get what was told we would get. If verizon screws us again I am leaving to another carrier no matter what. I hate verizon at this point.

Definitely getting the feeling of the Eris all over again.

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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.
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Of course, I was just supporting lite that saying our device can't run ICS is BS.
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HTC Facebook answered this for me. ICS end of August.
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I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.

xHoLyx said:
I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.
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Its always good to see updates for older phones....especially since going forward those of us with unlimited data (and want to keep it) can't use upgraded to get cheap phones
Sgs3 will probably fall after the cutoff, and unless I really save up won't get it....the vzw variant will most likely not be as popular as it would have been