I've been checking the tech news blogs pretty much every day for the past week now waiting on word of HTC's official 2.3 release for the Desire. I'm really curious what they're going to do for the update!
Just for fun (and to kill some time in between), I was wondering what you all thought HTC might do... I'm doubtful of all the chatter saying they'll be putting out stock Gingerbread for this update. I'd guess (and am hopeful) they'll be putting a more streamlined version of Sense on the phone. Personally I really dig the skin.
But I'm even *more* hopeful they'll leave so much damned space left over on the ROM I won't have to worry about low disk space notifications ever again (even though indie developers fixed that a long time ago).
By the way, long time xda reader, first time poster. Thanks for everything.
Quick Office,
Facebook,
Google Maps,
Google Search,
You Tube,
Google Voice Search,
Think some or all of above will go as I can't think of much else from FroYo ROM can be downloaded from Market.
Plurk will probably be gone too from leaked GB
I think they should move some bits to HTC Hub though like Teeter and Stocks.
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pumpkinpatch said:
But I'm even *more* hopeful they'll leave so much damned space left over on the ROM I won't have to worry about low disk space notifications ever again (even though indie developers fixed that a long time ago).
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Doubtful. The initial reason for Gingerbread not coming to the Desire was lack of space - which is true because the amount available on the Desire is abysmal compared to most other phones and you can't change the HBoot partition layout with an RUU/OTA because of S-On (to my knowledge). So to get Gingerbread and Sense on there they'll need to strip it out just to fit and move stuff around, you'll likely end up with less space than before.
I'd wait till it's released and A2SD+ is added by one of our resident geniuses.
YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
HTC will release a OLD version of sense, if not 1.9 then 2.0 on 2.3.3.... i will be very surprised (and impressed) if they could fit any thing newer into the phones stock memory, even if they got sense into it the phone carriers still want to put there crappy apps on top of it to make it to big for the phone.
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Doubtful. The initial reason for Gingerbread not coming to the Desire was lack of space - which is true because the amount available on the Desire is abysmal compared to most other phones and you can't change the HBoot partition layout with an RUU/OTA because of S-On (to my knowledge). So to get Gingerbread and Sense on there they'll need to strip it out just to fit and move stuff around, you'll likely end up with less space than before.
I'd wait till it's released and A2SD+ is added by one of our resident geniuses.
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Well sure they can change partition layout. S-on just means that the bootloader only allows flashing of files signed with the right signature. HTC will of course have this signature, and they use it to sign every update and ruu.
So yes they can indeed flash another bootloader both using ota and ruu, so if they want to, they can change the partition layout.
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YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
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This one doesn't actually pretend to be a '2.3 is coming' thread though - from the offset it says that it is to guess what's changed in the release when it comes.
If all they are doing is removing apps then all they can realistically remove are the ones dev's normally remove/update from a release anyway, being google's apps that are in the market, and quickoffice and facebook.
Everything else I think is sense/HTC related
Since they don't elude to moving anything like teeter/stocks to HTC Hub to be downloaded if one so wishes, which would be the only other sensible thing to try and squeeze a little more space out of the phone, (other than changing partition sizes which I doubt will happen)
I myself have also been eagerly waiting on stock gingerbread. Never took the plunge to run a custom rom, because stock froyo still runs super smooth, after almost a year. Now that htc claims to remove apps to make room for gingerbread + sense, Im starting to wonder whether the amount of free space will be even less than there is now. The internal storage problem has been my only issue. Knowing it will decrease even more when gingerbread is released, I dont see any benefits to the update, apart from having official gingerbread for the desire, which can be used to make custom roms lacking the internal storage issue.
Guessing on the content or perhaps lack thereof.
HTC is most likely not going to be messing with the HBoot layout, since that would mean user data would be lost. I'm sure that's not acceptable for an OTA.
So all that's left for them is to remove extra apps they loaded into the system partition to make space for whatever components have grown.
Pretty sure things like Plurk and a few others will face the axe.
The version of Sense will be anyones guess, however seeing they put out a test rom with the version of sense that was already on the desire and it fit the existing hboot layout: I'm betting it going to be a more recent version of sense, else they would not need the extra space from removing apps.
Yeah, I never tried to imply this was an "official" release thread... just wanted to shoot the breeze about what you thought might come out from HTC. I think most of you got that, though.
According to HTC's Desire/Gingerbread Update page on Facebook they're supposed to be announcing a release schedule early this week. Seeing as it's Tuesday already we should be hearing something soon.
As for repartitioning the HBOOT layout, I do recall reading somewhere (I can't remember where now) that this update might only be available as an install file to use with HTC Sync and not an OTA update. Again, this was just a rumor I read somewhere, but that might make some sense as most everyone who is rabid for an official 2.3 release would most likely know how to apply that update, and would be able to cope with their contacts/settings being wiped. Casual users, on the other hand, might not be able to deal with that, but also not care so much about updating to GB.
Anyway, still waiting...
I dont care much for sense or which version they will include, i run launcherpro anyways im just happy we will get gingerbread after all and they can remove all lame social apps that i dont use anyways.
Yes those social apps are so ANYOING... I dunno why there are included? I can go to Facebook witout stupid app...
Houpe for 2.1 (3) Sense and striped GingerBread without Google Voice Search, Facebook, HTC Wallpapers, Google Search, You Tube
average joe probably wants facebook preinstalled.
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YAY! Yet another "Official 2.3.3 ROM" post! (3 a day is just is just slacking these days!)
HTC will release a OLD version of sense, if not 1.9 then 2.0 on 2.3.3.... i will be very surprised (and impressed) if they could fit any thing newer into the phones stock memory, even if they got sense into it the phone carriers still want to put there crappy apps on top of it to make it to big for the phone.
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YAY! Yet another wanna be Mod. You knew by the title what the thread was about so why did you click on it and open the thread??
Facebook, Twitter, etc are what I want to remove.
Anyway, while waiting for the official 2.3, I managed to root the Desire. And I'm told that by rooting, I would not get OTA updates anymore. I will try to flash a 2.3 before the official one comes out.
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Facebook, Twitter, etc are what I want to remove.
Anyway, while waiting for the official 2.3, I managed to root the Desire. And I'm told that by rooting, I would not get OTA updates anymore. I will try to flash a 2.3 before the official one comes out.
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Google+ will be the next one then!
Well here in Aus, Telstra (the telcom who distribute the Desire exclusively) are planning to go ahead with the whole stock AOSP gingerbread update. Dunno how it will work... I'm sure quite a few unknowing owners are going to have a shock when they upgrade to find no Sense anymore (whether that be a good or bad thing for them).
Can't see HTC allowing that as Sense is what they sell as there unique selling point. They wouldn't remove Sense to please a few customers
nqk, I've been running Insertcoin on my Desire for the past few days... I highly recommend it. Haven't looked back since installing.
OK so it's Thursday now, which definitely qualifies as *later* in the week. Seems to me like HTC's hitting some road bumps on this update. (Am I being too hard on their software engineers?)
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Can't see HTC allowing that as Sense is what they sell as there unique selling point. They wouldn't remove Sense to please a few customers
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I agree -
so... how's the Sensation?
It's awesome!! SO much better than the Desire IMO. Slight possibility my Aunt just got an unbranded unit so possible swaps on the cards Anyway, this from HTC UK's FB page this morning:
"Update: 30.06.11
Hi all- We're excited to share that we are testing our build of Gingerbread for HTC Desire and will start doing quality assurance for it this week. When we have an update on availability we'll post another announcement. Thanks for your patience."
Nearly there...
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Is there going to be an upgrade for the desire ?
Would love that ! (Flash)
Any body got some info ?
of course will be, the question is when?
thats quick ....
Are we talking months or weeks untill 'droid 2.2 comes out
The internet is being a bit tight lipped.
The deisre is lovely, but not finished yet.
flash is nice, divx is vital and 720p video is something I wsan't expecting...
How are we going to get it when its released?
Will it be a user ROM style hardware flash through PC sync or will i just download a file to my phone, click go and 10minutes later my phone is amazing??
(i'm having fun wiping smug faces of iphone owning freinds as they ask what phone I have and i show them, then tell them I've got it for £15/mnth )
you'll get it here on XDA as usual. ready to be flashed on your device as any other ROM
2.2 aka Froyo: maybe next week!!!
I read this on engadget:
Engadget's post about Froyo
I don't really want to root my phone as it's I think really good as it is but I wouldn't say no to Froyo! especially since it apparently boosts performance a lot!
Quote form Engadget: "Update: How much faster is a Nexus One running Froyo? 450 percent faster, according to the Android Police. They claim to have a device running the as-yet-unreleased firmware that can perform over 37 million floating-point operations per second in the Linpack benchmark... compared to about 7 megaflops without. Oh yeeaaah."
As soon as a Froyo rom leaks, people will rip it apart and mod it to hell to get it to run on all kinds of devices. I'm sure we'll see Paul make a 2.2 Desire ROM, for example and now that HTC has released the Kernel source code, it should be easier to port existing quality roms like Cyanogenmod to the device. They'll all require root access to flash as they're unofficial roms. HTC will probably eventually port Froyo themselves, but that will probably take months.
Still, 2.2 hasn't shown up yet, so no dice. We'll have to wait until google I/O before that happens
it's going to be loooong till HTC themselves release it..but as soon as its out for nexus we'll see it here on xda in no time!
If you don't want to root & use a cooked ROM I wouldn't count on having it earlier than 6 months from now.
HTC needs to change Sense UI for Android 2.2 and looking at the Hero, which STILL does not have 2.1 I wouldn't expect it to be quick.
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If you don't want to root & use a cooked ROM I wouldn't count on having it earlier than 6 months from now.
HTC needs to change Sense UI for Android 2.2 and looking at the Hero, which STILL does not have 2.1 I wouldn't expect it to be quick.
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Exactly... I had a hero myself and in order to get 2.1 ....what did I do???
I sold the hero and got a desire
will 2.2 allow us to install apps on SD card??
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will 2.2 allow us to install apps on SD card??
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It better....otherwise I'm selling my desire...what a waste of phone, can only install a handful of apps. I bet its restricting developers too.
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It better....otherwise I'm selling my desire...what a waste of phone, can only install a handful of apps. I bet its restricting developers too.
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Oh don't be so dramatic. I could fit loads on mine just fine. And i rooted and installed apps2sd anyway. Don't get any Android phone if you expect to be able to install millions of apps.
Yeah, we will get it as a Custom Rom in the next few days and from HTC in several months
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Exactly... I had a hero myself and in order to get 2.1 ....what did I do???
I sold the hero and got a desire
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Same here, haha, I think many people have done this. Nexus one was not available yet in my country so I purchased the Desire. Will definitely flash 2.2 on this baby though. No way i am going to wait for HTC anymore.
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Yeah, we will get it as a Custom Rom in the next few days and from HTC in several months
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Months?? Seeing how things are going with the hero, I'd say they'll release it to the desire once the 2.3 is out. So better think of it as next year.
IMO Desire's owners are very important for HTC, since we are buying their flagship phones. I think they must keep us satisfied, if not, we will buy different phone next time. And I won't be happy if Nexus One owners will get 2.2 and we will not.
BTW isnt the evo 4g an Android 2.2 phone quz 2.1 didn't support 4g correct me if im wrong but if it is the update for the desire wont cost them so much time to port.
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I've recently read that the Evo 4G will be an 2.1 phone as well :/
450% FASTER?! HOLYY SHIITT!!! I cant waaiiit!!!
I feel I should w8 will it allow apps 2sd?
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Depends how long you're willing to wait
Froyo should include A2SD, but who knows when HTC comes up with the 2.2 upgrade for Desire.
this is true...however should b fairly quick its the flag ship Android mobile can't see another 4release in conjunction with 2.2 release
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I'm waiting ;-). Everything that I need the phone to do, it does... SO no real need to update as of yet. Will probably wait for official updates as I prefer official releases (possibly less bugs etc)
Moved to General Desire Forum.
Don't see where this hooks into Development or Rom cooking.
sorry thought it was ok here
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Isn't the whole point of 2.2(FroYo) that the Android segmentation is abolished and that we would be downloading Sense UI from the market.
If this is true we should all expect 2.2 the moment it is released as it will be a generic, basic Google ROM, then we would just have to wait for HTC to update Sense for 2.2 and we would be able to download that and off we go!
I am not sure if I am correct but this is the way I understood Android to be going.
i am actually, kinda scared of rooting im not 100% sure but seen somwhere a news bout release being sometime in the summer may-june think it was
I'm of those waiting... unless I can find a quick, simple and automated way of backing up and restoring everything about my current phone fast, it 'ain't happening until I see 2.2.
Many other reasons... including too many unknowns, unsubstantiated unclears, bricking not being an option for me in these months and so forth.
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Dont bank on HTC being quick to update the Desire. They dont have a tradition of updating their top models any faster than their lower models, and we all know how slow they are with those!
That is the big deal. Android 2.2 will come maybe next month, but when HTC 'come' with their update, who knows...
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Dont bank on HTC being quick to update the Desire. They dont have a tradition of updating their top models any faster than their lower models, and we all know how slow they are with those!
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The big difference here is the existence of the Nexus One, which will get an update pretty much straight away.
Since the Desire is very close hardware wise to the Nexus One, I'd hope that it wouldn't take too long to "Sensify" 2.2 and get an update out to Desire users. Failing that, if you're rooted, they'll be cooked 2.2 Nexus ROMs out for the Desire in fairly short order.
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Dave
I was waiting, but ended up rooting tonight. I reckon SetCPU alone was worth rooting for.
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I was waiting, but ended up rooting tonight. I reckon SetCPU alone was worth rooting for.
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Actually, SetCPU will have no effect when running on rooted Desires.
When I pull the sliders across, it seems to have no effect, and the green max and min frequencies remain unchanged. HTC has a driver that they implement which keeps overriding SetCPU. We need to hope they (HTC) release the Kernel source. Once this happens, there will surely be a release of a modified Kernel with SetCPU support and overclocking/undervolting (assuming the CPUs in the Desire are binned the same way as the CPUs in the Nexus, this should yield a 10% overclock and better battery life).
Problem is HTC is really slow in releasing the source, it's borderline, illegal, and very irritating.
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Actually, SetCPU will have no effect when running on rooted Desires.
When I pull the sliders across, it seems to have no effect, and the green max and min frequencies remain unchanged. HTC has a driver that they implement which keeps overriding SetCPU.
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I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but my sliders seem to work fine. The widget display claims my speeds are scaling too, and my battery life seems remarkably improved, though that could be due to running the MCR. I don't know.
[EDIT] I see what you mean about the sliders now. Battery life still seems better though?
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Isn't the whole point of 2.2(FroYo) that the Android segmentation is abolished and that we would be downloading Sense UI from the market.
If this is true we should all expect 2.2 the moment it is released as it will be a generic, basic Google ROM, then we would just have to wait for HTC to update Sense for 2.2 and we would be able to download that and off we go!
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I wouldn't have thought so. I wouldn't like to be Orange, dealing with thousands of customers who updated their phone (or had their phone automatically apply an update) and who've suddenly lost functionality/apps etc.
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I wouldn't have thought so. I wouldn't like to be Orange, dealing with thousands of customers who updated their phone (or had their phone automatically apply an update) and who've suddenly lost functionality/apps etc.
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See I thought this was the whole point of FroYo. We all get the basic Google Rom (maybe with a few service provider tweaks) then we download UI of our choice from the market.
Apart from service providers having to mess around with the Rom there's no reason why we should be waiting for months to get it. Most people in this thread seem to give the impression that we won't see 2.2 for ages while HTC upgrade Sense(I assume there's a few ex-hero users in here). This isn't true though, we'll be running 2.2 and waiting for a download of sense via the market. yeah?
Dont bank on HTC being quick to update the Desire. They dont have a tradition of updating their top models any faster than their lower models, and we
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The big difference here is the existence of the Nexus One, which will get an update pretty much straight away.
Since the Desire is very close hardware wise to the Nexus One, I'd hope that it wouldn't take too long to "Sensify" 2.2 and get an update out to Desire users. Failing that, if you're rooted, they'll be cooked 2.2 Nexus ROMs out for the Desire in fairly short order.
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the only problem with this is... nexus one is updated by GOOGLE and the desire is not.... the nexus one will be the first to get 2.2 and from there im betting other devices wont see it till acouple months later...i bet the droid will see it before the desire...sense ui jus slows down the update process..
I can't wait until Froyo gets here!!!
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the only problem with this is... nexus one is updated by GOOGLE and the desire is not.... the nexus one will be the first to get 2.2 and from there im betting other devices wont see it till acouple months later...i bet the droid will see it before the desire...sense ui jus slows down the update process..
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Can I ask why you think this? I reckon we'll get 2.2 the same time as the Nexus . If everything I've read about 2.2 is correct then Sense will just be released to the market when it's updated for us to download.
am I really wrong or the only person in this thread who understands what's going on with 2.2?
Posted today on Engadget.com:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/htc-most-phones-launched-in-2010-will-get-android-2-2/
"most of its 2010 phone catalog will indeed be riding Android 2.2 before the year is through"
It will probably be released just in time for new years eve.
Look people...the best thing to do is just enjoy your phone now rather than killing yourself waiting on this because, frankly, with the wait I'm sure is ahead of us it's going to get real old real quick with the "...any news on when? Anyone have a leaked ROM? Any idea when it'll be ported from Nexus 1? Any idea when HTC will update Sense!?" questions every day for the next 6 months.
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Look people...the best thing to do is just enjoy your phone now rather than killing yourself waiting on this because, frankly, with the wait I'm sure is ahead of us it's going to get real old real quick with the "...any news on when? Anyone have a leaked ROM? Any idea when it'll be ported from Nexus 1? Any idea when HTC will update Sense!?" questions every day for the next 6 months.
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Hopefully it won't be that long.
On another not, is there any news on when froyo will be available for the Desire?
We should all be glad they actually announce that they are going to update the desire. I have the touch HD before this and at first they said maybe an update to 6.5 and then they said users don't need update, this was the top of the line phone at the time.
Android since last June have released 1.5, 1.6 2.0, 2.1 and now 2.2. So you can realise that android are releasing a updates every 2 or 3 months. So whats the point in trying to keep up. No manufacturer will ever be able to do this. It's unsustainable. 2.3 Gingerbread is due at the end of the year too. So we will probably get 2.2 a month before Gingerbread, then everyone will moan and complain and want that. Just enjoy your phone as it is now. Google will need to change their behaviour to avoid fragmentation of the OS. i.e. handsets running all different versions. They are working on adapting their updates so they can be delivered to any system via the market without having to be customized for SENSE UI or the equivalent. Lets hope that happens sometime.
I can understand people want to stay up-to-date but honestly, if people keep complaining about HTC taking to long to get Sense on the new Android version, why did they go for a HTC in the first place? Ofcourse, a new OS will always give nice new functionality but i'm actually quite happy the way it is now and don't really see an immediate need to upgrade.
Running r3 MCR with A2SD+ i think i have pretty much everything i need.
Bought my desire on 02 @ £285... about to start using it in the UK, but will be moving abroad in the next few months.
How will I be able to update my phone if I'm abroad ?
I'll still have an 02 sim that I could use.. but would that work ?
I don't want to root / flash it if I can help it !!
Thanks
They say before the end of the year but i don't believe it.
they promised an update for the HTC hero to android 2.1.
it was promised for march 2010 then april, and now its may and still no update
thats how it wil go with the other phones too.
I personally think 2.2 is quite important for the mass market, the main feature being apps on the SD card. Most of Joe public aren't going to root!
Recently I've converted some people from the iPhone and that seems to be the main gripe!
That's just my opinion....
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I personally think 2.2 is quite important for the mass market, the main feature being apps on the SD card. Most of Joe public aren't going to root!
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2.2 is probably the most significant upgrade there's been to Android.
Two of the main reasons to root are Apps2SD and WiFi tethering, and both of these are now standard Android.
I especially like the way that you seem to be able to choose where you want to install an app (i.e. to phone memory or SD card) and can even subsequently transfer them.
Hopefully this means that you'll be able to install a set of core applications to your phone, and then have separate SD cards for different purposes, and Android takes it all in its stride allowing you to chop and change as required.
Regards.
Dave
Whats going to happen when app developers have the option to install the app to SD card instead with 2.2 and develop with that in mind but everyone except Nexus One owners won't be able to do it? (Ignore Rooting & A2SD)
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Whats going to happen when app developers have the option to install the app to SD card instead with 2.2 and develop with that in mind but everyone except Nexus One owners won't be able to do it? (Ignore Rooting & A2SD)
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They make the app 2.2 only on the market - you just won't see it on phones with earlier versions of the OS.
The Nexus One will get 2.2 first, that's a given, but I do expect updates to more recent phones to come quite quickly this time around.
Regards,
Dave
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They make the app 2.2 only on the market - you just won't see it on phones with earlier versions of the OS.
The Nexus One will get 2.2 first, that's a given, but I do expect updates to more recent phones to come quite quickly this time around.
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So does the market show the highest compatible version with your version of the os? or does it just remove the app from the market completely?
was thinking of rooting my desire but undecided now, anyone have a clue when us Desire users will get froyo? (preferably uncooked)
I think the main point is, no one nows when the desire will get froyo officially, everyone can make guesses, but it could be june, it could be december.
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So does the market show the highest compatible version with your version of the os? or does it just remove the app from the market completely?
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As far as I'm aware, if you want to support multiple versions of Android with your app, you need to publish them individually with different names.
Of course, this only really matters if your app uses deprecated APIs, or features only available in newer versions of the OS.
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Dave
Hello guys,
I've put my HD2 up for sale and i'm looking for a Android phone.
I've obviously got the Desire and N1 in mind however choosing between the two i'm just so unsure.
The Desire has the SenseUI which I love on my HD2, and by my understanding the Widgets are pretty good compared to the N1, but the Android updates will be slower because of SenseUI needing to be integrated on each release.
But I have to admit i'm one of those people who needs a device running on the latest software being all it can be, so with the fact the N1 is already on Froyo 2.2 i'm then pulled towards this phone, as I'm doubtful the Desire will receive the same support over time.
Also if I Root the N1 I presume some people are putting Sense UI on the N1's and I could do the same>?
Likewise could I do the same thing on the Desire, i.e. Vanilla Froyo 2.2 without SenseUI on the Desire? or are they different internally?
My other headache is I would need to buy the N1 from the states, and am concerned of it not working properly in the UK.
with pinch to zoom on the N1 now, the only difference is the slightley different pshyical layout, and SenseUI, with N1 getting the updates first.
If i've said anything incorrect please let me know, correct me, more information is always good
And if you were buying one now which would you buy?
Thanks, Luke.
Why do you NEED the latest software on the device? Bragging rights?
I went from an HD2 to a Desire and it's the best decision I ever made! Sense is better than on the HD2 - working out of the box - and bar A2SD (which I've added on a custom ROM) there's nothing you need 2.2 for...I'd get the Desire and wait for 2.2 to be released - N1 hardware is a bit pap and trackballs have a habbit of going wrong
This is my own view though
I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1
the reason i look to the N1
is because like soulja i feel the Desire is receiving updates later than the N1. Froyo is a clear example. the N1 has it already. but the Desire is going to get it with no date set. my concern is the supporr HTC will offer in future, because of SenseUI. im concerned that the modding, updates will not be as good or regular.
the reason the HD2 is going is because the app market is naff, and app support is failing as everyone is waiting for WM7.
I need a phone i can fiddle with.
Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo
Sounds like you already set on the n1 but decide to enter a room full of Desire users to dissuade you for some reason.
Do you have to buy from US?
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Why do you NEED to fiddle with it? What's wrong with it as it is? The N1 got the update first because it is a Google phone outright, all other handsets are 3rd party so of course there'll be a delay in updates - albeit, hopefully, not a long one
The Desire is better than the N1 in every way bar the updates to Android - and I , personally, can wait for FroYo
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Soe people just need to fiddle, leave them to it! Why make loads of custom roms, and change them on a daily basis and flash all the time! People love doing this, and if the N1 has quicker updates, etc let em have it. I personally would love to have time to fiddle with a phone 24/7, but I get an hour a month, and love my desire out the box and Sense is great! If you don't like fiddling too much then great, but if someone loves fiddling then that's great too! Don't question WHY people want summit they just do! I personally would choose the desire as it's great out the box, and better hardware, and OK I may have to wait a little bit for 2.2/2.3, etc, etc in the future, but so what, it doesn't bother me (it may bother others and so be it!)
I love to fiddle, I cooked ROMs for my HD2 as the stock ROMs were poor to say the least. I'm just wondering why this person needs to fiddle. The phone, out the box, is nigh on perfect so there's not a lot to do. FroYo will be out eventually so probably best to wait for it...
It's purely curiosity
Problem i've faced.
IS that like most things we have an idea of how something should work. Anyone who's used a HD2 is probably well aware of how much better it is with C00kies hometab mod. I can't actually use mine Stock lol.
I've had my HD2 2 a while and have only just released 1.72, where as Unlocked people are rockin' on 2.10 While I no this is more todo with the network than the phone, I'd just like to be using the newer more update features as and when they arrive. I also like applying mods to user interface, and sometime functionality.
I'm doubtful of HTC's commitment to keep the Desire up to date. Sure you might see 2.2 but will you get 3.0? will HTC then have replaced the Desire with a new flagship model and say that the Desire is no longer on the update program?
Oddly my problem is with HTC and there Sense UI, don't get me wrong my HD2 without it is crap, but it slows down the updates significantly with regards to the Android system, and this concerns me.
@panos: the Nexus one isn't available in the UK simfree, so i have to buy from the US. However the Desire I an obtain from a UK retailer.
The Desire is £400
The Nexus1 is £437 phone,shipping,vat,import.
If Google release a new phone then the N1 will also be left out of the loop so that's not really a valid argument. You can get the N1 on Vodafone so you could always get a contract with them (assuming you're due an upgrade).
Your experience of WinMo is the same as mine - I was constantly cooking ROMs and Co0kie's HT was a must for me - but on the Desire I've not needed anything bar trying the new radios. You can't compare the 2 as they're worlds apart!!
I prefer the buttons on the Desire to the touchscreen ones on the N1 - and don't get my started on the stupid ball on the N1!!
End of the day, if you're someone who can't leave something alone then get the N1 but IMO the Desire is a superior device and Sense makes it even better. Plain Android is piss poor and just looks boring...
well in a few month when desire is released in north America It's going to gain a lot more attention.
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souljas said:
I had the same decision but went for the desire purely for money reasons. I thought that the desire would outset the n1 and get a better modding community but it seems I was wrong. There are lots of devs for the n1 that are pretty active and it is very apparent since the release of froyo. But I still prefer the real buttons on the desire but the optical trackball is probably not as easy to use as the n1. Plus from the deg forum I dont think that the desire has been fully rooted yet in respect to loading custom spl (but I may be wrong about that)....if I could go back I would have got the n1
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+1 totally agree with you
quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS
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quite interesting,
some people are saying I'd get a N1 if i could in hindsight. However after looking at the Sense UI i'm having trouble seeing the N1 as a good looking OS
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If you really like sense ui then i guess the desire is better for you...but personally, after having the G1, i would go for a phone with a better dev community. I miss my g1 and custom roms,,,,it was very fun and i miss those days...
plus as some have said HTC normally are not very quick with updates like the hero
^^^but yeah i hope when usa gets it the deving will improve
Do hope I am not to late to input on this.
Well through a small loop hole in Vodafones mobile network, I managed to get both the Desire and the Nexus 1.
Initially I had an early upgrade from the sony satio (what an awful phone) to the HTC desire, and loved it. Was absolutely fantastic, loved all of it and couldnt think of trading it away.
However, it stopped working all of a sudden. Around 2 hours later on the phone to vodafone, I was sent a Nexus one the next day. To my dismay, my desire started to work again. Happy days. Anyway, after having both phones for around 2 weeks I've decided that I am to sell the desire, even though the nexus would get me more coin. Yeah, it doesnt look as pretty as sense, but after a while you dont miss it. As for rooting and having latest updates, its the way to go.
IMO get the N1, vodafone do a pretty good deal. Best advise is to make the contract over the phone, they will give you near anything if your convincing
I would have got the N1 if I could go back. As for Sense being good looking I have to disagree. HTC have removed the app transitions (the fade in and out) and replaced the 3d app drawer with a plain black app drawer that lags. Also they have managed to make the default music player worse than stock.
The only thing I like about sense is the widgets, but beautiful widgets is an adequate replacement.
Also the N1 is very easy to root and near impossible to brick, whereas HTC have gone out of their way to spoil the fun and prevent us getting a full root (so far)
I am considering selling my Desire and getting the N1
I got a Desire because the N1 was not available on contract if it was I would of probably gone for the N1.
I spent 18 months on a G1 and loved all the support it got from the modding community much the same as the N1 has now, but I also at the time was in awe of the ui on the Hero which turned out to be a better build than the G1 in my opinion, and I questioned my self on if I made the right choice to get the G1 or not or should of waited a bit longer for the Hero to be released.
Since the Hero came out later, it was behind on the modding scene then picked up pace a lot later on, much the same as I imagine the Desire scene will explode sooner or later especially if we get full root on the device, people also say HTC are slow at updates which is true, but I got an update as soon as took it out of the box, but I think due to the N1 not been available on contract though various carriers in the UK until now and as far as I am aware only Vodafone, HTC has has sold a hell of a lot more Desires though various carriers on contract, that i think Vodafone will ever sell of the N1 thus they might realise that 2.2 should be shipped out to the Desire sooner rather than later to keep its users happy.
My friend has a N1 and my personal opinion the Desire looks a hell of a lot better outside and inside.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8848669/Android-upgrade-for-Google-Nexus-S-in-weeks.html
So Google has announced that the Nexus One will not be getting ICS as it is simply not powerful enough. As the Nexus One is basically the same as our Desire, there goes any hope of an official update.
Question now is, once ICS goes AOSP, is it going to work? Without the N1, we will be lacking some necessary drivers, won't we?
Not good news. I know N1 owners and Android commentators all thought the N1 was going to get it.
Another reason to ditch Desire for good.
didnt they say any device running gingerbread would be able to get IC? i'm confused.
Old hardware, Low internal memory. Is it possible to run on the Desire/Nexus one, but they do not want ot make it. Period.
There was never any hope of an official update.
Desire was never going to get an update, but Nexus One was always in the grey area...
I guess they can easily say hardware requirements are holding it back - it will run GB - but maybe it hasnt got the internal storage for ICS to run effectively... devs can probably span it onto EXT on SDCARD but of course Google won't want to do that...
Its probably a case of 'it can.... but probably not as well as they like.'
I smell hypocrisy here. First they say that any device capable of running 2.3 will be able to get ICS, but ask them to port to a device with a different chipset to their other flagship phones, and suddenly it's simply 'too old'. And I bet they'll continue to moan that handset makers and carriers don't update devices enough.
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I smell hypocrisy here. First they say that any device capable of running 2.3 will be able to get ICS, but ask them to port to a device with a different chipset to their other flagship phones, and suddenly it's simply 'too old'. And I bet they'll continue to moan that handset makers and carriers don't update devices enough.
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The problem is not the SoC, but the LOW internal memory. They just don't want to take out apps and shrink the size of their "original" build to fit a smaller system partition.
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Another reason to ditch Desire for good.
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"Ditch Desire", "ICS looks ugly", "Roboto is a complete failure", ...
I could ask "why the hell haven't you left Android yet?", but since you strike me as reasonably logical and intelligent, I suspect you simply think all the alternatives are even worse than you consider Android.
Which means you're not just logical and intelligent, but my word, you're depressing.
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I smell hypocrisy here.
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The only thing I smell is one more charade low skilled users granted us the last time an official update was released
since 2.3 aosp is only about 70-90mb big, how big is ics going to be? even the desire has a system memory of ~200mb (correct me if im wrong) so why wouldnt they be able to fit it in there?
at least let the xda devs do their magic, dont wanna ditch my precious device
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"Ditch Desire", "ICS looks ugly", "Roboto is a complete failure", ...
I could ask "why the hell haven't you left Android yet?", but since you strike me as reasonably logical and intelligent, I suspect you simply think all the alternatives are even worse than you consider Android.
Which means you're not just logical and intelligent, but my word, you're depressing.
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I already wrote why.
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since 2.3 aosp is only about 70-90mb big, how big is ics going to be? even the desire has a system memory of ~200mb (correct me if im wrong) so why wouldnt they be able to fit it in there?
at least let the xda devs do their magic, dont wanna ditch my precious device
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the nexus one has in total 145 MB in /system
the ICS sdk system image is 170 MB (without google apps, wallpapers and ringtones)
so
1) it doesn't fit in the n1
2) probably it will slow down a bit the n1, and that its not acceptable for the average users (that after the ota will have no chance to go back)
3) marketing purpose..maybe about time to buy a new phone, as the very small internal memory (like our desire) was an epic fail and its going to complicate everything for the average user that have no more free space
this explain why google will not update it (atm )
cyanogen will do soon when the source come out
With the speed the devs have been churning out roms lately if they put the ics rom out for the desire by the time my contract is up I shall stick with my desire and just swap sims.
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(that after the ota will have no chance to go back)
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Oh no, that would mean another official update not done properly
I think it would be about time that average joe should decide if they want OTA updates or not.
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very small internal memory (like our desire) was an epic fail and its going to complicate everything for the average user that have no more free space
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I find it amusing that the moaners knew the Desire failed miserably with internal space compared to iPhone 3GS and Galaxy, and yet they bought it
So is this the final nail in the coffin for Desire?
The final nail would be when most devs (read all true devs) left. But yeah, Desire is with one leg in grave.
Hardly - the amount of development still going on for the Desire is phenomenal compared to some much newer phones. Probably the easily unlockable bootloader has a lot to do with that (take note, handset makers...)
Right now I (and probably a lot of people here) am running Android 2.3.7 - the most recent version of Android on the market. This means that our Desire is more up to date than the most up to date phone you can buy in a store right now. How is that "one leg in the grave" (btw the expression is one foot in the grave)
I am sure Cyanogen & team will come up with CM9 for the Desire based on ICS. None of us can yet say how it will run, but I would bet my bottom dollar that it is coming.
Personally, I have another year to go on my contract with the Desire. I expect to be running ICS quite happily for the duration of that year, and during that time, I'm sure that my phone's OS will be more up to date than all of the people I know around me with an Android phone.
Then, when my contract is up, I will get a phone that has satisfies the following conditions:
*Rootable
*Unlockable S-Off-able bootloader
*Micro SD slot
*SIM-unlockable
*Plenty of internal memory
Then I will have the equivalent of my Desire, just with new hardware specs. And it will be awesome.
I never expected any official support for that ICS ROM anyway, on the N1 nor the Desire.
but, i'm sure that upon Source code arrival, it would be adjusted to work on the desire.
I also never expected the desire for the ICS even. With that exeprience from gingerbread tells me not to expect for another wave of OS upgrade. And that is how i rooted my phone and install custom ROM (CM7.1) to it. I never imagined the power of this phone since i rooted it. It gives myself a feeling of having a new and powerful phone again after a year of constant hard reset due to memory issues. I know the CMs and other Devs are already reasearching to port another upgrade to the desire and a big thanks to them for continuously searching and developing.