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[Q] Android News Update for TP2 aka Tilt2 aka PimpTight2 aka Fortress

I went to Android with the sweetest phone on the market (Samsung Galaxy S) and never looked back. However I still have my Tilt and Tilt2 and I thought I might try and install Froyo or something tastly on my old phones...
THESE FORUMS ARE A MESS!
So here I am, and by the look of it there is nothing going on but people flooding the forum with cries for help and people waving the white flag. I assume the big boi dev's moved on to better devices as I did or they got tired of you clowns flooding this forum. ANYONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON MAYBE WE SHOULD STICKY IT OR MOVE ALL THESE QUESTION THREADS, THIS ONE INCLUDED TO A SUBTHREAD.
If they have it working on my Tilt half way decent I cant belive the Tilt2 is getting ditched.

What are you talking about dude? There's a sticky thread already. There's just too many people who can't read FAQ's and are asking the same questions again and again. As this project gets more popularity, more people flood the forums.

how do you have almost as many posts as I, and not even know about the biggest project on rhodium?
do you even read anything in these forums?
and as far as i know, we have the best devs right here on site giving constant top tier advice, updates, software, hacks and mods.
what white flags do you see, besides "iphone" users who try their hand at a real device.
stick to ur samsung, this is HTC.

kroniced said:
I when to Android with sweetest phone on the market (Samsung Galaxy S) and never looked back. However I still have my Tilt and Tilt2 and I thought I might try and install Froyo or something tastly on my old phones...
So here I am, and by the look of it there is nothing going on but people flooding the forum with cries for help and people waving the white flag. I assume the big boi dev's moved on to better devices as I did or they got tired of you clowns flooding this forum. ANYONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON MAYBE WE SHOULD STICKY IT OR MOVE ALL THESE QUESTION THREADS, THIS ONE INCLUDED TO A SUBTHREAD.
If they have it working on my Tilt half way decent I cant belive the Tilt2 is getting ditched.
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You're dumber than the noobs on here, at least they had the sense to check STICKY at the TOP of the page. And I'm gonna tell you what all the noobs get told...SEARCH!!!
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So, you open a new thread to ask a question which was answered in the very first thread on the forum, that was also stickied. Then you begin to use vulgarities to debase other forum members? I'm glad you use another phone, and don't come to this forum anymore.

Not to pile on but that first stickied thread has over 9,000 posts and 1,000,000 views. Even a noob like me knew to go there first.
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Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules regarding flaming, language and respect for other members.

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Thread cleaned.
Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules regarding flaming, language and respect for other members.
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Thanks Senior Mod.
Wondered whom the person was calling clowns. Unless we have an apology, the person should be suspended.

Tired of needing an asbestos suit when asking a question?

Anyone that has been reading the Dev section or been in the IRC chat has probably seen plenty of flaming going on by some people that think they're Elite compared to everyone else. If you think another chatroom would be nice for users to get help when needed without fear of getting banned, flamed, yelled at, told to STFU, ridiculed or more, then let's set it up.
XDA is about a community of users and devs helping each other to tweak their phones as a hobby. Let's get the friendliness back into these forums and start helping each other out.
There's quite a few options for IRC chat, EFnet, Undernet, Mibbit, Freenode, etc. What's everyone's preference? I'm also voting myself NOT to be an Op, I have limited time available between working 50-60 hours a week, having time for my wife and kids, and doing Android app development on the side.
-Daryel

If I can ever help. PLEASE don't hesitate to ask.
Great post....
Rob
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Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148

geekaren said:
Excellent idea.
I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148
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Once we have 1,000 threads in General or 10,000 posts in General we'll be able to split that out - XDA rules.

Glad to hear a Q&A forum will be an option in future.
Thanks, jerdog!

not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.

Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.

henbone11 said:
not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel

henbone11 said:
not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
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While I wasn't privy to what you are referring to, have to agree that in general this is a very true statement. I'm not taking sides here at all but in my experience this is a common concern across the boards, regardless of devices.
XDA is a development community but we would be nothing without a user base. We need to lead by example and do our best to be patient with those that are new to the game. We were all there once.
With that said, as a newer user you have a responsibility to research, read, search and read some more before you start asking questions that have been answered over and over again. I'm a patient guy and I love helping people that need help but it honestly does get a bit rough when people don't take the time to at least try to learn before bombarding you with questions about your ROM when the answers are in the OP. If the user would have taken the time to read they would have found what they were looking for. You have to understand that you are one of many people asking the same questions over and over again. So if your met in an unpleasant way, sometimes thats why. Not that it makes it right but maybe just a bit of insight.
We need to all work together and make this community worth participating in.
At the end of the day, all this stuff is about a phone. Trust me, there are much bigger and more important things in life to worry about than a phone......

Well hit 1ooo threads by the end of the week
But there is probably 1oooo post by now
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xak944 said:
Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a lot less.
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You make a great point, but it doesn't matter. Someone could ask a question after spending days searching for an answer and still get flamed. These no way to know if someone has taken the time to search, so people that are really trying to learn and have put the time in themselves are getting lumped into the same group as those to lazy to use the search button.

Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.

To be honest, douchebaggery is rampant at most android forums. Take a gender at the CM7 port for the touchpad thread at rootzwiki.
Ill credit it to the expansion of android
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fadetobolivia said:
Actually, I was present in irc for the exchange.
I had the same confusion as daryelv with regards to the question he was asking, and it's not because "i cant red gud." In fact, if daryelv hadn't asked the question, then I wouldn't have flashed the rom due to the confusion. So I, for one, benefited from the clarification.
But when he pointed out the source of the confusion, he did get flamed and it did turn racist. It's too bad, because it was all really over an outdated sentence in the rom thread disclaimer, and it was pretty unnecessary.
I get the hard work that devs put into their projects; I wouldn't want to be bothered with dumb questions either. But there was a genuine confusion and a lack of receptiveness in hearing about it.
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I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.

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daryelv said:
Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.
It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.
Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.
-Daryel
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It's because all of these things have been answered, or there's a thread dedicated directly to it. It takes only a few seconds to search. I'm not a dev and I already find it irritating seeing 5 new threads about the same thing every day. If people would simply search on the forums, or even do a quick Google search, I'm 100% sure they'll find the answer to any questions about any of the topics you just brought up.
ptfdmedic said:
I had this very same discussion back in the Epic 4G forums earlier in the year. Something that everyone needs to understand is that the developers are no better than anyone else. Everyone in the community plays a role.
I would argue that the developers should be setting the example of how to conduct one's self and not fall victim to the god complex that has affected some of us. I always throw my friend k0nane under the bus at times like this not because of anything he has done wrong but because of the example he sets. He is easily one of the best developers I've met and yet he treats everyone with respect and affords them the dignity that they deserve.
There will always be a-holes out there but if you lower yourselves to there level than your no better than they are.
As developers, we need to remember that we are no better than anyone else. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect whether they are developing or simply asking an honest question.
Please remember that the Epic Touch 4G is only a phone. Life is way bigger than this and if the biggest thing you have to worry about is flashing a phone than count yourself lucky.
This is way to early in the cycle to have the forums going down the toilet. Take control back and lead by example. You should NOT be afraid to ask a question, especially if you tried to find the answer or simply need clarification.
While I'm far from the best developer I do always try to respond to everyone's questions and PM's. Hit my up on my blog and send me an email. I'll get back to you when I can. Please don't ever be afraid to ask me a question.
Let's keep this community moving forward.
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Theoretically, no devs aren't better than anyone else. Realistically, yes they are. They are the people who spend hundreds of hours (unpaid) doing something that directly benefits you. I'm sure they get hundreds of the same question every single day that they've answered already. If I were a dev, spending all my time doing something for other people, then get spammed with messages because someone is too lazy to spend a few seconds of their time (when I'm spending hours of my own) searching the forums, I'd get pissed too. Have you ever donated to a dev? Have you ever even said thank you for all of their hard work? Why are the only things devs get repetitive questions and complaints?

Anyone with questions about Odin, flashing, or need help finding an apk you accidentally deleted or just have a general question, PM me anytime. It wasn't very long ago that I had to search to see what root was. Ask anyone with an Epic..I will help out in any way I can so don't hesitate to ask. On a side note, I sure am glad ptfdmedic got an ET4G...pure class and he was the same way on the Epic threads as well. That's why everyone over there respects him so much.
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i dont know what exactly happened in the IRC, buuut like someone posted earlier... there are two sides of the story so im not agreeing with anybody, BUT i will point this out...
the person asking the question was right in the sense of asking a question because s/he was confused... on the other other hand, i understand ppl here repeat a lot of questions that have an open thread on that very same subject and make devs inpatient but turning this into a racist argument was uncalled for in my opinion... what does being indian, even if the person asking the question isnt one, have to do with being confused?
seems silly to me, cuz being confused DOES NOT have anything to do with color or race! just my two cents....

I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
The Evo3D Killer!!!

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I don't understand why people have to make racial comments. Not just in Daryl's story but there are other instances I saw. Nobody is better than anyone else. We all come for the same reason. If u can't handle don't log on. It would make the thread less crowded if u answered that repetitive question instead of flaming them. If anyone has anyone questions that they want to ask they can pm me as well. I know JC will go out of his way as well as ptfdmedic. There are more as well.
The Evo3D Killer!!!
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No one said there aren't people out there that are helpful, but continuing to ask the same questions that are asked in threads pretty much daily when there's a search function is pretty frustrating.
I do agree that bringing anything racial (or anything offensive) was incredibly immature and wrong. There's absolutely no reason to be rude, but people to need to be more aware of how to get answers other than spamming devs with the same questions.

Forum section for carriers

Does anyone think creating individual forum sections for carriers would be worthwhile? I was thinking a place to discuss coverage, prices, features, pros, cons, apps for each major carrier (ie Verizon, at&t, Sprint, Tmobile, and of course biggies in other countries).

Wonderful Idea!!!
Just one issue: it would get WAY OUT of hand...
Carrier lovers vs. Angry Customers
Just think about how many mods would have to go through those forums... Mods would be moderating all day/night...
Such forums, if ever launched, would get shut down...
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deedscreen said:
Just one issue: it would get WAY OUT of hand...
Carrier lovers vs. Angry Customers
Just think about how many mods would have to go through those forums... Mods would be moderating all day/night...
Such forums, if ever launched, would get shut down...
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There are plenty of oddly controversial topics discussed here... WP 7.5 vs Android.
I actually envisioned somewhere where you can discuss rate plans, specials, deals, coverage, LTE, contracts, etc. Some of that information is available scattered throughout the forum but there is no central repository. I just thought it might be worth a go.
Plus I don't think there are carrier "lovers." Their are people that hate particular carriers, but the rest of us use our particular carrier for utilitarian reasons. Some of us may have flaws in our logic or facts from time to time but I wouldn't confuse that with "love."

Carrier lover? I think everyone hates their carrier equally. None of them are really great, they charge way too much, and don't care about if your service actually works. Not much more to discuss after that. THREAD CLOSED.
As for the idea in the OP about carrier forums, sounds great! Might help people which carrier has better reception in their area, get a better deal, etc. Might help figure out carrier specific issues.
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deedscreen said:
Wonderful Idea!!!
Just one issue: it would get WAY OUT of hand...
Carrier lovers vs. Angry Customers
Just think about how many mods would have to go through those forums... Mods would be moderating all day/night...
Such forums, if ever launched, would get shut down...
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What this guy said.....
Also, our main focus here is development. There isn't much that would be said in such a forum that you couldn't find in each carriers own support forums.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

Excuse me... you have no authority to close this thread... you have every right to report this to a moderator so that this thread alone doesn't get out of hand, which I completely agree with, but you absolutely have no right this thread... You are a member, not a moderator...
I apologize if I come off as rude or insulting but this was just wrong.

deedscreen said:
Excuse me... you have no authority to close this thread... you have every right to report this to a moderator so that this thread alone doesn't get out of hand, which I completely agree with, but you absolutely have no right this thread... You are a member, not a moderator...
I apologize if I come off as rude or insulting but this was just wrong.
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Which post you referring to?
If you mean my post, it is a joke. Just a joke, kinda like that would be the extent of the carrier fanboy discussion. Again just some comedy. Read it as a joke and maybe you will laugh. It was not my intent to close this thread, I hate when threads are closed by anyone. Just a little humor regarding the carrier fanboy war comments!
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Sorry to be a hard head...

Just a little rant.......

Just seen Venum post about giving up on keeping up with discussion threads because ppl just refuse to read. One of our great devs seems frustrated....... can't blame him.
I've been playing around with this ROM sh#t for a couple years now. This ''why don't ppl just read'' thing is just always gonna be a problem. Maybe until someone way smarter then my dumbass can create some sort of program that before your able to post a question a Page or Page numbers will pop up? IDK.... Maybe some ppl are lazy and others are just too busy.
IMO starting separate discussion threads just isn't the answer. I find myself bouncing back and forth between both threads to get info on whats going on.
Hell I'm BADLY guilty of not researching. A week after a buddy from work mentioned something about roms I posted a question in the HTC dev thread when I ran into a problem. I got flamed big time. Ya know ''Hows the battery life on this rom?'' and all that.
I had an HTC TBolt before this badass phone. In two days we lost two great devs partly because of frustration with ppl in the threads. The flaming and why don't ppl just read.
I love this hobby. Just something too eff around with when I'm bored. There is ALOT of really cool and helpful peeps in these threads. Great devs too. I've looked into theming and after I found out about all the time it involved, I thought there is no way I could do this. I appreciate the time and work these devs and themers put into giving us there awesome work.
I'm 38 yrs old with a wife and a three yr old son. Don't know if I'm wise enough to give ya'll any advise but I'm going to give it anyway. All this is a cellphone and a hobby....... someone post a question that's been asked and answered a thousand times.... so what. Help if you want, or else move on. Don't take this sh#t too seriously.
This doesn't go out to the devs,contributers, or themers......I wouldn't be able to understand your frustration with some of this stuff in these threads only because of the time you put into this.
Venum,Erick,Mijjah74,BTR,Sfhub etc. etc.
Thanks.......
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Couldn't have said it better myself! Well said man.
Sent from my iPhone killer.

Beautifully said.
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One of the best devs on my old phone just dropped phantom updates and almost never posted. People would mention issues or wants and a future release would often be updated with hose thigs. He would typically just update the op without even bumping the thread.
To all you devs out there hanks for your work but do it for yourself guys life it short and you deserve to have fun and enjoy what you do. I spent the last 6 years in bs jobs and finally got back to doing what I love, IT. I dont have the skills or ability in software but I'm working on my ccna right now. I can at least keep the network running for you guys in the future.

Personally, I enjoy the questions posted in my theme threads. I wouldn't ever make a discussion thread because I find it pointless. If people want to post something positive or constructive criticism in my thread, be my quest. I'm all open for ideas and opinions. I always have my own personal variants anyways.
I can understand people being unappreciative, and that can become frustrating. The devs just gotta realize that there are people like that EVERYWHERE and shouldn't let it bother them.

Amen!
Man these things fall funny sometimes lol I was commenting on the first post but didn't quote it in my response.

I'm not big on the idea of having 2 threads either. I always liked it better when it was one thread in development and everything was done inside that thread. But I also think people should read a little more and also utilize the search tool. If you go over the threads you will see the same questions asked in different ways, over and over again. I actually avoid the Hydra rom thread because of this. The devs definitely show a lot of restraint and still try their best to be helpful. Maybe once the official drops and we quit getting leaks every couple of days, things will get better. I myself definitely appreciate everything that all of the devs do in this community.
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I feel that users who jumped onto the dev thread grabbing 2nd 3rd 4th post etc just for fun of it. It would be so nice if you did not grab those post and leave it to the dev or since you do have it, try to do something proactive and post relevant updates/status/bugs. Simple questions & answers. I remember on the miui.us forum Just_S did an amazing job on tackling this even before he was promoted to moderator.

Every forum on XDA is like this.

Another good reason to search through the threads is that you learn so much other good stuff that comes in handy down the road. If I had just asked a question every time I ran into trouble I wouldn't know half of what I know now. Although half of nothing is still nothing I guess!

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I feel that users who jumped onto the dev thread grabbing 2nd 3rd 4th post etc just for fun of it. It would be so nice if you did not grab those post and leave it to the dev or since you do have it, try to do something proactive and post relevant updates/status/bugs. Simple questions & answers. I remember on the miui.us forum Just_S did an amazing job on tackling this even before he was promoted to moderator.
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I completely agree with this. If you take a 1st page post, do something constructive with it. Have your jokes and whatnot at first, but go back and add some value to it.
That's a great way to help the devs keep info and Q & A updated.
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I hate stupid questions ..
Like "are you going to rape me?"
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iSaint said:
I hate stupid questions ..
Like "are you going to rape me?"
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If i flash ics, will it taste like an ics?

Ascertion said:
If i flash ics, will it taste like an ics?
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the snozberries taste like snozberries

I don't mind people asking repetitive questions unless the answer is on the same page or in the op.
The "give me" generation doesn't seem to understand the ...give/teach a man to fish analogy
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Overstew said:
Personally, I enjoy the questions posted in my theme threads. I wouldn't ever make a discussion thread because I find it pointless. If people want to post something positive or constructive criticism in my thread, be my quest. I'm all open for ideas and opinions. I always have my own personal variants anyways.
I can understand people being unappreciative, and that can become frustrating. The devs just gotta realize that there are people like that EVERYWHERE and shouldn't let it bother them.
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I actually agree with Overstew wholeheartedly here. What was referred to in the op was a comment I made in another thread when asked about the discussion thread I had. I'm sure my frustration showed through in my comments but that doesn't mean I want to quit or even really blast people. I wanted to use the rom thread as an actual problems thread and the discussion thread as "I love this rom" "I hate this rom" etc. So I wouldn't have to read through 30 pages of this and that to find issues.
As Overstew said and I feel the same way I enjoy the questions and I DO appreciate the feedback. Because I ACTUALLY do use the feedback good or bad to make tweaks or changes in regard to users as a whole. In hindsight its obvious the 2 thread roms are probably not a good idea. And I'll probably stop it.
Having said all that I want everyone here on the ET4G forum to know that you all have been great to me and in know way do I plan on leaving or getting so pissed off that I quit you guys. On the contrary, I appreciate all of you, and plan to be on the ET4G for the forseeable future trying to make our great phone even better... in addition please remember that we developers are human too and sometimes we may come across as being snippy or disrespectful. But in actuality we probably are having a bad day or something is not going well. Its not personal and we also try not to take things to personal. I think for those of you who know me I try to be as helpful and polite as I can be and represent XDA in the manner I would like to be treated as. And I was new once, and I haven't forgotten what it felt like to be lost or need help...
Sorry got carried away... so I'll end here by saying we have a great community here and it's because if YOU!!!

VeNuM said:
I actually agree with Overstew wholeheartedly here. What was referred to in the op was a comment I made in another thread when asked about the discussion thread I had. I'm sure my frustration showed through in my comments but that doesn't mean I want to quit or even really blast people. I wanted to use the rom thread as an actual problems thread and the discussion thread as "I love this rom" "I hate this rom" etc. So I wouldn't have to read through 30 pages of this and that to find issues.
As Overstew said and I feel the same way I enjoy the questions and I DO appreciate the feedback. Because I ACTUALLY do use the feedback good or bad to make tweaks or changes in regard to users as a whole. In hindsight its obvious the 2 thread roms are probably not a good idea. And I'll probably stop it.
Having said all that I want everyone here on the ET4G forum to know that you all have been great to me and in know way do I plan on leaving or getting so pissed off that I quit you guys. On the contrary, I appreciate all of you, and plan to be on the ET4G for the forseeable future trying to make our great phone even better... in addition please remember that we developers are human too and sometimes we may come across as being snippy or disrespectful. But in actuality we probably are having a bad day or something is not going well. Its not personal and we also try not to take things to personal. I think for those of you who know me I try to be as helpful and polite as I can be and represent XDA in the manner I would like to be treated as. And I was new once, and I haven't forgotten what it felt like to be lost or need help...
Sorry got carried away... so I'll end here by saying we have a great community here and it's because if YOU!!!
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Venum our community wouldn't be the same without you. Thank you for all you do and I'm glad you have the persistence to put up with us.
I've enjoyed every one of your ROMs that I've run and still hold Anakonda up as one of my very favorites.
You and your team (including that crazy themer dude ) are one of the main reasons I'll be hanging onto my phone for the foreseeable future regardless what phone comes out next.
In short terms, you guys rock!

It does look like the two thread idea is not working as well as others would expect but you must admit its a great idea. Honestly xda is for developers to show off their stuff and for us to leech or not to leech. You would assume that we should be able to follow directions. Lets be honest a developer using his free time to make your product better has asked you too simply only post problems in his thread to make it better for you and easier for him to figure out what needs to be fixed. Ask yourself is that really that hard to do.
A developer takes his time to create a beautiful OP to answer all your questions and lets you know exactly what to do to achieve greatness on your phone. Are the directions really that difficult. At what point to we let common sense jump in and go hey before I post this let me think for a sec.....
Rom posted 5:45 post at 6:00 "Hows battery life" - Seriously
Op says camera does not work post will say "Camera is buggy rom sucks" - Why
Sorry I get it why developers get angry and I understand you want people to move on but really with all that's out there to help just take a sec and use your brain...
Remember its called xda DEVELOPERS

I believe it's just fickle times right now in the e4gt forum. Only dedicated xda users know to read thoroughly before jumping in. More and more people join the Android community and a lot more of those people are migrating to custom development. Normally this wouldn't be an issue but currently you have to 'lift your right leg, whirl your finger counter-clockwise, and sing the National Anthem backwards' just to simply flash anything. While most of us are fairly coordinated, myself included , the rest of the community just want to sit back and enjoy the music. In due time, we will all settle back in again and the user that doesn't read will not have to ask any questions, cause it will go smoothly the first time. Patience is key right now. It will get better.
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Esoteric68 said:
Venum our community wouldn't be the same without you. Thank you for all you do and I'm glad you have the persistence to put up with us.
I've enjoyed every one of your ROMs that I've run and still hold Anakonda up as one of my very favorites.
You and your team (including that crazy themer dude ) are one of the main reasons I'll be hanging onto my phone for the foreseeable future regardless what phone comes out next.
In short terms, you guys rock!
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Can't believe you called rounsy a crazy themer dude.. Lol
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What on earth is going on with the Relay 4G?

Okay, the time has come where I must ask.
The Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G came out in September of 2012. Since then it has quickly become the most requested phone of all time in the new forum request thread, gained an 80+ page thread in the G2 forum filled with information on how to unlock and hack the phone, and through the hard work of members trying to co-ordinate their efforts without an official way to communicate, gained an unlock method, a hacked recovery, and a functional CM9 ROM. Despite this, it still has no forum of its own. In fact, the threads that been instrumental in the work that's happened so far have recently been locked, making further developments much more difficult.
So I ask you, what on earth is the holdup?
I came to the Relay 4G from the Sidekick 4G. That was a phone that had great hardware, but due to a lack of support from Samsung, and a lack of development here, never got past the Froyo ROM it launched with. Now we've got a phone that looks like a worthwhile replacement for it, and people working on it, but they can't share their work here or connect with other people who could help. It feels like I'm being let down for the second time. First by Samsung, now by XDA. I'm afraid of this continues, development for it is going to trail off sharply as well once the phone loses it's newness. And I'd hate to be stuck with another phone with terrible software support. After all, I'm not the sort of person who can afford to casually buy a new smartphone every few months. And given how popular that thread was, I think we can safely say there are a lot more people who are eager to see this phone succeed.
I hope someone who knows what's going on can comment on this. I've worked on the board of a non-profit, so I know all too well what happens when a small number of people in control don't communicate with the larger membership. You've got a large group of people who are feeling let down, or outright angry right now. They're in the dark and upset and distrustful. And in the absence of reliable information, people are very good at spotting patterns, be they real or imagined, and turning them into very strongly held opinions. Speculation runs rampant. Then it doesn't take much to go from "Something happened" to "There's a conspiracy." And it can take years to get past the perception that something malicious went on. I urge you guys to communicate now and nip this one in the bud, before it blossoms into an ugly mess.

Any development which has been done for the Relay 4G can be posted in the Miscellaneous Android Development forum.
As you can notice just from looking down the first pages of that forum, those devices which don't have their own specific forum can have development projects posted there instead.
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We get that there is a misc development forum. There are already development threads there for the Relay. Our issue is that we had a discussion thread in the G2 forum for so long, with well over 800 posts, as well as threads in various other QWERTY phone forums. Nobody seemed to object to its existance there, and then out of nowhere we get a simple "off topic to this phone" reply and thread closure. Said thread deserved the decency of being moved to an appropriate forum, and now we have no idea where to discuss our device.
We are essentially lost with no explanation. The moderator I messaged gave me nothing more than a "we could have moved it, but nobody would know where. Do you expect me to pm every user?" I was then told that it is standard procedure to just shut a thread down. But one that big, where for so long nobody seemed to mind?
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pudgybunnyBry said:
We get that there is a misc development forum. There are already development threads there for the Relay. Our issue is that we had a discussion thread in the G2 forum for so long, with well over 800 posts, as well as threads in various other QWERTY phone forums. Nobody seemed to object to its existance there, and then out of nowhere we get a simple "off topic to this phone" reply and thread closure. Said thread deserved the decency of being moved to an appropriate forum, and now we have no idea where to discuss our device.
We are essentially lost with no explanation. The moderator I messaged gave me nothing more than a "we could have moved it, but nobody would know where. Do you expect me to pm every user?" I was then told that it is standard procedure to just shut a thread down. But one that big, where for so long nobody seemed to mind?
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Can you pm me a link to that thread please. I'll find a home for it somewhere.
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Thank you so much, it really is appreciated!

Where is this thread? I can't find it