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Hey guys!
I'm sure we all have the same thing on our mind when it comes to Windows Phone. Better marketing! MS needs more effective marketing showing off the OS and not cheesy ads that don't show our gorgeous Windows Phone 7.
Windows Phone fan Brandon Foy has created an amazing 2 minute ad featuring, of course, WP7! The great news about this is that its an amazing ad. Better yet, MS has agreed that if the video reaches over 200,000 views on YouTube, they'll make it into an actual TV ad!
So watch it, get on YouTube, vote for it, share it on Facebook and Twitter! Lets help MS with a little bit of advertising!
Most of all, it needs more exposure worldwide. Countries such as France are almost "ignorant" to it's very existance.
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You are aware of the fact that the video was first introduced on the mix11 event and that the offer made by Microsoft has already exceeded, right? The spot didn't reach its goal, but as far as I remember the guy who created it was offered a job my Microsoft recently.
I get email today from Youtube:
This one is awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyU9wzYzyKc
I like this one:
I was expecting more. Much more. And Nokia disappointed me. First, I think I'm not astonished because I've seen the hardware before. At June.
The Lumia 710, it's pretty nice and cheap. It's great!
But hey, where is the front camera? Every device nowadays should have one. Even if I dont use it, I want it. Skype is just around the corner (hope so) and it will allow, or should, video calling.
So, Nokia did save WP7? Everyone was expecting this day to foresee the WP7 future. What now?
Saved or Doomed?
I don't think they've done either - it will survive with or without Nokia. What I do think they've done is totally shot themselves in the foot by leaving out FFC. Think I'll be getting the Titan now to replace my HD7, very disappointed with Nokia on this one.
I totally don't care about the front facing camera, so it's hard for me to see it as a make or break feature for the platform.
They weren't supposed to release some super awesome device.
The idea is that Nokia is a massive brand in Europe, has the biggest market share (despite relying on a dying OS, Symbian, and having competition from the iPhone) and brand. People will buy Nokias because they're Nokias. A certain premium comes from Nokias as seen with the unique design on the Lumia 800.
It's the equivalent of Apple going suddenly ditching iOS and deciding to go with Android and then releasing an iPhone 4S with Android.
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
Looks like the 710 supports SD card, that's interesting
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arturobandini said:
I am more than disappointed by Nokia.
But this was predictable. They are just focusing mass customers and developping countries with low end devices...
I will stay with HTC or move to Android. That's pretty sad.
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Think its important to note that these are just the 2011 devices. The rumors have suggested upwards of 12 Nokia phones in various form factors by the end of 2012.
Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Doomed....lol
Nokia don't save WP7...Windows 8 will...
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I hope so!
Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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Looks like Nokia's plan gonna fail...Think their strategy managers need to go back to school...
They gonna focus on China and India,which gonna fail real soon...Although they are huge population there,but it doesn't means you gonna success.
Lets make some simple assumption, especially in China now,what's most important for a developing country?they will definitely promote local company to grow rather than allow foreign companies to dominate their market such as Nokia. Even apple Ipad and Iphone tax so high in China. I can say that they are over hundread phone manufacturer in China who making KIRF phones...And now,here is the most important part,when talking about KIRF phone,nowadays they already started to use android(the green army).Why?cause it is free,no license fee or anything...
Therefore, the protection towards local investment and the "Free" goddess of Android will simply block Nokia out.
Lastly, don't think that people in developing countries won't want a high end-device...
It is a tough game for Nokia now,Anyway,windows phone 7 will be safe until the Windows 8 is released,complete integration,sync and kinect....
Doomed for Nokia...cheers
Everybody in this forum who makes $7/hr bagging groceries always knows that the bigger company sucks at planning, marketing and developing. Just watch & see whether they succeed or fail, none of us have any idea who will buy it.
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$7/hr bagging groceries are a good measurement and good enough to judge their low end phones...Anyway,Thanks for your reminder.
Nokia starts to lose their ground...Take nine months to copy their own design on N9...great stuffs...
People with name starts with steve sucks ball( steve'n elop, steve ballmer), except steve jobs....
It is just silly Elop is praising their Nokia N9 sales are great while he is the one who killed the device.
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Worldwide? I'm not from Nokia, but they took 9 months to take a device that they probably already had (N9), put some buttons and the OS. If XDA hackers would want to, they could put WP7 OS in N9 in 2 months or less. But nobody cares at all. Whatever, the point is.. they took 9 months to create a device that isnt a killer device, and they forgot the "Worldwide" word. Not even US. Rumors that they will arrive here at February. 4 months? Not even Apple is that slow.
And the Lumia 710 is the only device that surprised me, not for it's specs, but the price is nice.
And frontal camera isnt a feature that would turn me away from a device, but that's us. If I can have a bigger (not Titan bigger) screen and a frontal camera for the same price, I would choose the bigger screen, thanks.
But yeah, Lumia 800 is sexy.
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LOL Sure they could
pwachleman said:
Those of us in the USA are maybe disappointed but Nokia is first and foremost an international company that has never been truly huge in the US. The two phones announced today are just what was needed to expand the worldwide market and in my opinion that is why this is a big deal! Lot more people in the world than us USA technophiles! More WP7 phones in more hands is better for all of us!
Also have to say while its smallish I love the clarity of the screen on the 800! The video on Engadget seems to be filmed in natural light and wow, it still looks GREAT! Look forward to next year my friends! Theyve always told us thats when to expect the great things from Nokia!
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that's because us consumers rejected them and carriers followed as a result, thanks to Symbian.
tHe phones are cute but I can care less what it looks looks like. They go in cases to keep their resale value as high as possible.
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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Expecting the flood of hate to commence in 3,..2,...1.... go!
Oh, forgot to mention. The 800 actually lists USB storage mode and TV out as features. So as usual, the haters always focus on the negatives but the oft requested features are ignored. OK, back to the hating!!
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It also says FLAC and AVI support. For me it's now down to Nokia 800 and Samsung Focus S
I dont get all the hate i love this phone already and will be getting one on the 16th. I dont get what you are expecting tbh some sort or cyborg tech from the future? We all knew what WP7 supports etc and as for the rest of it i cant think of a better looking well made handset and the screen looks lush
Don't think its devices that will save WP7. It is marketing and retailer influence, which it looks like Nokia is taking very seriously.
Sure, the Lumia 800 looks decent and has pretty cool features, like navigation. However for a flagship device i miss a FFC, not that I need one but a flagship device should have one. With 16GB this device will be a great option to jump on the WP7 train if priced right. However if the Omnia W comes out around the same prcing I'll go for that. Because it has a FFC... But we'll see...
It seems that Nokia is putting microsofts money to good use as their marketing of the Lumia is amazing and EVERYWHERE. I live in the UK and everywhere I go I cant fail to see the Lumia presence! theres no way people have not heard of this phone by now. Its a huge marketing push and something, microsoft, or samsung or htc should be doing if they really want to sell windows phones... if this sort of marketing was givent to other wp7 devices, then WP7 would be doing so much better so well done to Nokia for showing the others how it should be done!
Absolutely agree, shame this level of marketing did not happen a year ago.
Have to agree
1 minute i see the Lumia advert, then the HTC radar advert and then followed by that stupid bloke dancing on kinect being filmed by a WP7
What that chap does with his baseball bat is amazing
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Absolutely agree, shame this level of marketing did not happen a year ago.
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I don't think the platform was ready for a real marketing push a year ago. It is definitely nice to see. The next year will be an exciting one.
Being in the UK too I agree that Nokia's marketing is indeed amazing. Hopefully this will translate into sales, we'll see in about 10 days.
Maybe Microsoft was just waiting for someone to do their job for them
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dtboos said:
I don't think the platform was ready for a real marketing push a year ago. It is definitely nice to see. The next year will be an exciting one.
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I was about to say this and at last the way MS is handaling WP7 is starting to make real sense. Bring out a slow launch build up an app market and use the first round as a test. If they pushed to hard before the OS was ready ie last year. But having a year in the bag and now some real hardware we are ready for a proper push. I love wp7 and its now time for the rest of the world to see what i have been banging on about
@DroidFreek They said that in the US marketing is the carriers' job. Don't know if that's true but that thinking would never take them too far in Europe.
I went to a Behind the Tiles event last night in Minneapolis. About 20 people showed up, and there were 10-15 MS employees on hand. Needless to say there was pleanty of oportunity to talk to MS employees one on one and ask very specific questions. The people who presented / made themselves readily available were very knowledgable.
Most attendees were WP7 users already: Just about 1/2 were developers, the other 1/2 were in IT/IS in one capacity or another or at least a technology enthusiast. It was not a developer-oriented event (JIC you didn't know...)
If you're new to windows phone then this is a very good event to see the features demonstrated. Even after 1.5 years of being on the OS I still learned quite a bit about application features (pinning is more detailed than I've been using, integration with areas of the OS where the appropriate apps are located), and a very good demonstration of Bing, which has a TON more features than I've been using.
Everyone had a Nokia 900 provided to play with (focus on Me tile, setting up, etc.), and for Bing we were able to execute translations, scan pictures with the camera for text which we then sent in an e-mail, playing music on the phone and having Bing display the artist and where to buy the albumn / song, and focused a lot on voice commands and how to simply talk to your phone w/out pushing any buttons. It was pretty cool, actually. One thing that stuck out in my mind was that the malls in Bing Maps have detailed floor maps (complete with store names) that I didn't know existed, which was nice to see. They also showed how to filter results from Bing search easily.
In addition, they demoed some future tech (XBox, Kinect, and WP working together), talked about Win8 and WP8 a little (very little, but at least it was direct) and focused one of the sections on business use (also very enlightening).
At the end they gave away an NL 900, 2 StarWars XBox units, and 4,000 gamer points. Given the people there, it was a 1/5 chance to win one of those (of course, I didn't win anything =) ). Not sure if those are given out at each event, so YMMV - that's what they had to offer last night. Oh, and light swag (notebook, I <3 Win Phone stickers, etc.).
Lastly, BestBuy offered $50 off the $99 Lumia 900 if you were eligible, so It's a good way to save a buck or two if that's of interest.
If you were on the fence I recommend signing up - it was worth my time for sure!
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I went to a Behind the Tiles event last night in Minneapolis. About 20 people showed up, and there were 10-15 MS employees on hand. Needless to say there was pleanty of oportunity to talk to MS employees one on one and ask very specific questions. The people who presented / made themselves readily available were very knowledgable.
Most attendees were WP7 users already: Just about 1/2 were developers, the other 1/2 were in IT/IS in one capacity or another or at least a technology enthusiast. It was not a developer-oriented event (JIC you didn't know...)
If you're new to windows phone then this is a very good event to see the features demonstrated. Even after 1.5 years of being on the OS I still learned quite a bit about application features (pinning is more detailed than I've been using, integration with areas of the OS where the appropriate apps are located), and a very good demonstration of Bing, which has a TON more features than I've been using.
Everyone had a Nokia 900 provided to play with (focus on Me tile, setting up, etc.), and for Bing we were able to execute translations, scan pictures with the camera for text which we then sent in an e-mail, playing music on the phone and having Bing display the artist and where to buy the albumn / song, and focused a lot on voice commands and how to simply talk to your phone w/out pushing any buttons. It was pretty cool, actually. One thing that stuck out in my mind was that the malls in Bing Maps have detailed floor maps (complete with store names) that I didn't know existed, which was nice to see. They also showed how to filter results from Bing search easily.
In addition, they demoed some future tech (XBox, Kinect, and WP working together), talked about Win8 and WP8 a little (very little, but at least it was direct) and focused one of the sections on business use (also very enlightening).
At the end they gave away an NL 900, 2 StarWars XBox units, and 4,000 gamer points. Given the people there, it was a 1/5 chance to win one of those (of course, I didn't win anything =) ). Not sure if those are given out at each event, so YMMV - that's what they had to offer last night. Oh, and light swag (notebook, I <3 Win Phone stickers, etc.).
Lastly, BestBuy offered $50 off the $99 Lumia 900 if you were eligible, so It's a good way to save a buck or two if that's of interest.
If you were on the fence I recommend signing up - it was worth my time for sure!
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Cool. Nice to hear. Thanks for sharing !!
I would love to attend something like that. I have been using Lumia for a week and wants to love it, but i always have a feeling that it missing a lot. I would really like to explore Bing features more as IMO it should be given more credit.
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I would love to attend something like that. I have been using Lumia for a week and wants to love it, but i always have a feeling that it missing a lot. I would really like to explore Bing features more as IMO it should be given more credit.
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No doubt! I was suprised at how much I didn't know! Here's a couple of links that may help to see the functionality of Bing:
http://www.bing.com/community/site_.../10/windows-phone-update-bing-o-on-mango.aspx
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...pkey=c0b91059-9ce0-477f-a391-53fbb53c061e||||
I would love to go to one as well. I think the one in ny happened already. I'm gonna have to check it out soon.
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There are lots of these resources online if you look for them. When attending an event with Microsoft, they throw this in your face. But most of it is already available. Check out the Windows Phone Blog sites, and the Windowsphone.com sites for info.....lotttssss there.
i was there too
eknutson said:
I went to a Behind the Tiles event last night in Minneapolis. About 20 people showed up, and there were 10-15 MS employees on hand. Needless to say there was pleanty of oportunity to talk to MS employees one on one and ask very specific questions. The people who presented / made themselves readily available were very knowledgable.
Most attendees were WP7 users already: Just about 1/2 were developers, the other 1/2 were in IT/IS in one capacity or another or at least a technology enthusiast. It was not a developer-oriented event (JIC you didn't know...)
If you're new to windows phone then this is a very good event to see the features demonstrated. Even after 1.5 years of being on the OS I still learned quite a bit about application features (pinning is more detailed than I've been using, integration with areas of the OS where the appropriate apps are located), and a very good demonstration of Bing, which has a TON more features than I've been using.
Everyone had a Nokia 900 provided to play with (focus on Me tile, setting up, etc.), and for Bing we were able to execute translations, scan pictures with the camera for text which we then sent in an e-mail, playing music on the phone and having Bing display the artist and where to buy the albumn / song, and focused a lot on voice commands and how to simply talk to your phone w/out pushing any buttons. It was pretty cool, actually. One thing that stuck out in my mind was that the malls in Bing Maps have detailed floor maps (complete with store names) that I didn't know existed, which was nice to see. They also showed how to filter results from Bing search easily.
In addition, they demoed some future tech (XBox, Kinect, and WP working together), talked about Win8 and WP8 a little (very little, but at least it was direct) and focused one of the sections on business use (also very enlightening).
At the end they gave away an NL 900, 2 StarWars XBox units, and 4,000 gamer points. Given the people there, it was a 1/5 chance to win one of those (of course, I didn't win anything =) ). Not sure if those are given out at each event, so YMMV - that's what they had to offer last night. Oh, and light swag (notebook, I <3 Win Phone stickers, etc.).
Lastly, BestBuy offered $50 off the $99 Lumia 900 if you were eligible, so It's a good way to save a buck or two if that's of interest.
If you were on the fence I recommend signing up - it was worth my time for sure!
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Well i was there too and i won the Lumia (yep the guy who shouted like crazy when the number was announced). meanwhile do you have any idea if the phone they have given is unlocked or not. 'coz i called the ATT guys and they told they do not have this device IEMI number in their database.
chanakya.wp7 said:
Well i was there too and i won the Lumia (yep the guy who shouted like crazy when the number was announced). meanwhile do you have any idea if the phone they have given is unlocked or not. 'coz i called the ATT guys and they told they do not have this device IEMI number in their database.
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Funny, I was sure it was an AT&T device (it has an AT&T logo on it, doesn't it?) so they should have it! I know this sounds pretty dumb... but did you ask them to try again? =)
Grats on the phone, too!
They are having these events at best buys throughout may but in order to go you have to RSVP with a registration code. Did you have that? I don't know how I would get one.
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idelgado782 said:
They are having these events at best buys throughout may but in order to go you have to RSVP with a registration code. Did you have that? I don't know how I would get one.
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I used 'MVP', and I saw one other but hopefully that one will still work.
Awesome. Thanks. I'll report back.
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It worked perfectly. Thank you so much for the response. I appreciate it. I registered for an event in NYC on the 9th. I'll be back here afterwards to let you guys know how it went.
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Went to one on 14May in San Diego. They changed the venue from Best Buy to the Microsoft store. A lot of interesting features were brought up & WOOHOO.... I won one of the Lumias. They gave away teeshirts, 2 lumia 900s, 2 Star Wars XBox Kinects and 2 4000 pt. XBox cards
So the event I went to was ok. I learned one or two things. They had three different stations set up and we walked in a circle hitting each. There are no seats so we were standing for the duration of the 2.5 hour event which was a bit uncomfortable seeing that I had just worked the whole day. They I didn't win any prizes though.
Seems like they gave way more stuff away at the event held at the Microsoft store. I got a bag with a sticker, pen, notebook and a poster.
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Went to one on 14May in San Diego. They changed the venue from Best Buy to the Microsoft store. A lot of interesting features were brought up & WOOHOO.... I won one of the Lumias. They gave away teeshirts, 2 lumia 900s, 2 Star Wars XBox Kinects and 2 4000 pt. XBox cards
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My sister won the other one there...lol which is mine now
I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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I'm excited for WP8. From all the leaks so far I really like what I see coming down the pipeline, and look forward to the full unveiling in a few weeks. But, I seriously think that both 7.8 and WP8 are equally critical to the platform's growth hut for different reasons.
Microsoft has shown that itself will release updates and in a timely manner, as along as the hardware supports it. But I think they need to port over as much of these features to 7.8 as possible:
New start screen
New accent colors
Keyboard matches accent colors
Custom Hub
Wallet Hub
Option to select
Equalizer options for music and video hub
Not everyone is able to break contract and upgrade, and some people do like their WP7 devices (I like my Focus S, even though I'm on T Mobile).
Question for all: would those features above be enough to satisfy those on WP7 for a while?
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device? and some of you askings are already there i use 7.8 and have the new start screen, some new colors are also there. And i can tell you i'am realy good served with 7.8 and the feature set of 7.5! belive me that most people would buy an 7.8 before an wp8 device, i think of normal consumers. Normal consumers want "cheaper phones" but good phones, that an Lumia 900 on 7.8 for me and it cost now only a half of a lumia 920! is the lumia 920 realy worth twice? i think no! generally speaking as a long time wp7 user. It has not so much new features which are worth now to pay 600€ for a lumia 920. and with the lumia price drop to about 320€ it is only the half. it can be also found to 300€.
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for what you need a wallet hub if you dont have an NFC chip built in a wp7 device?
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Same way as iOS has passbook app? They don't have NFC but passbook can help keep stuff in one place secure - boarding passes, credit cards, store cards blah blah.
So yeah wallet hub can have possible uses even without any NFC support.
Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Remember that only hits of the early 7.8 build are out there and there is so much Microsoft hasn't announced for WP8 itself yet. Is the new Office hardware dependent? I would love the Wallet hub to use it like Passbook on iOS. WP8 may not be hack friendly with the new restrictions so I dunno how willing devs will be to port over features to 7.8. I own both a G Nex and a Focus S and I love my Focus S more. WP is such a pretty looking and solid OS I still think Microsoft shouldn't completely bury the WP7 phones in order to move forward with WP8.
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Most likely they won't - at least Nokia won't. Considering how huge its feature phone market is, if anything it will try and push all the old WP7.x phones as "first smartphones" to those feature phone customers. To be honest, none of the WP7.x are that complicated or feature loaded to overwhelm or underwhelm a beginner in smartphone world. Believe it or not, feature phone market is much much much bigger than smartphone world. These WP7.x babies can easily beat any low end entry level Android!
I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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I saw something recently about how Nokia plans to release a 7.8 WP next year. Here's my issue with how the OEMs have handled WP7: they let the carriers screw us over. For example, at what AT&T did. The Titan 1 was EOL'd in 6 months! So was the Focus S. Meanwhile, on T Mobile the Lumia 710 and Radar have been going pretty strong for at least 8 months. The HD7 had at least 1good year but got EOL'd fast too when it hit AT&T.
I wish my Focus S was a pentaband phone like the G Nex and had 768RAM. Otherwise it is perfect for my needs. I use my G Nex more right now because of the pentaband radio and that I still like Android. But there are certain things that WP hits the spot for me: email, artist bios in music, people hub, picture hub, bing search hub, ease to scroll through apps and music files.
I think Microsoft learned the hard way that splitting the platform up with the premier phones on one carrier here in the US was a mistake. It is why they went back to HTC and is using the 8X in the manner Samsung did with the Galaxy Line to move units and get WP into more hands. Make no mistake, Nokia is the preferred WP brand due to the mind share and marketing it made with the Gen 1 Lumias, but HTC is once again called upon to sell volume like it has in the past for Microsoft.
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OR may be as few threads about 3-4 months back discussed at lengths that MSFT knew it all along. WP8 was in making even before the launch of WP7. For such a giant company it makes sense to have it all planned. With WP7 there was no way OEM other than Nokia would go full-on with it. Hence Nokia exclusive deal even with carriers. Now, WP is little known. With ecosystem launch MSFT can bet on other OEMs too. That phase of WP7 was to try and create a loyal following and bit of mindshare on the back of Nokia's mindshare while Nokia stops the slidings downfall from Symbian. Now it might be the right time when even other OEMs are interested to cash in on what is supposed to be the biggest launch of MSFT in it's history. This works well for MSFT too and hence HTC gets signature phones, Nokia gets exclusives and MSFT gets WP in plenty more hands. A happy family?
I do agree that Microsoft knew this all along. I mean it made sense what they did from a company perspective, but they didn't do any consumers any favors. If I were Microsoft to do it this way, I'd have gone with better minimum requirements, better software support. I'm not sure if they will do that anymore.
I'm on the fence...I like WP. I'm not a fan of how Microsoft has handled things. From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use like that than iOS.
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trappxl said:
From a pure consumer point of view, it is the best OS on the market it terms of ease of use. In terms of overall functionality for devs and enthusiasts, Android is better and WP will be harder to use
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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That says it all!
One just needs to decide if he is a consumer who wants quality product or a dev/enthusiast who wants to tinker around each evening! Then the options are very clear.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
As a US consumer, I like both. I like Android to tinker and that's where my Galaxy Nexus comes in. I'm using BlackBean ROM as my daily driver and i love it. I haven't had any need to flash the other ROMs I have because this one fulfills my need to tinker but still have something stable enough to use daily.
But as a pure daily driver, WP fits my needs better. I like the Focus S a lot. I wish when I bought it I could have interlop unlocked it, but the one I bought was already updated. My carrier, T Mobile, took the mid range phones and 8GB onboard storage isn't enough for me.
Still, this is the second time MSFT has done this, the first being going from the HD2 and 6.5 to WP7. I give them credit in that they will have released Nodo, Mango, Tango and 7.8, but only Nodo and Mango were significant (7.8 not included, as it is still so TBD). They let the carriers have too much play because they did t hand the OS release correctly and killed some good devices in the Focus S, Titan 2 among others. If they wanted to be so much like Apple they should learn from the iPhone 3G update to iOS4.0.1. See how they gave the 3GS a ton of support? Its a shame but my guts says 7.8 will be as barren as Tango, which means I may not upgrade until WP 8 Gen 2 or WP9.
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blah blah blah... Same cries again... :bored:
Will WP7 forgotten OS? Well, not for me! I'm waiting for Lumia 510 to be launched in my country since my mom needs a replacement of her old battered phone. Next month, my sister will be buying her first smartphone. She will see and compare WP7 and WP8. If she doesn't see enough advantages of WP8 over WP7 then she will pick WP7.
This pretty much should explain views of an average consumer.
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But the way MS abandons the older gen shows that they simply didn't plan the whole picture upfront. By giving an excuse that the old phone isn't powerful enough for the new software means they had a short sight at the very beginning, and constantly changing their minds. It is not a pretty picture that consumers want to see. Let me know that my phone is obsolete in 6 months of release is very bad, made people lose confidence to the OS. They should stop doing that immediately.
If MS wants to compete with Android, they should not do the same sh1t companies using android did, but follow apple as a better role model.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I'm not going to indulge in the same talk again and beat the dead horse to ultimate eternity but MSFT never said hardware isn't good enough. As a company they did not find porting the new kernel on old softwares and providing any kind of update fruitful considering how small the user base is/was and what sort of user base it had. Not everyone visits XDA and not everyone has a hobby of ROM flashing. Hence MSFT decided rather than probably open 20 new call centres to help those who bricked their phones, we might as well abandon 0.001% unhappy customers. The rest from Gen1 anyways need an upgrade, they aren't really unhappy. The unhappy ones, the cheated ones, the people who shout that their phone became a piece of wood with the magical announcement - are those who got Gen2 Mango devices. Those customers are 0.001% of smartphone market and probably 20% of MSFT WP market. 80% won't care and forget this on 29th October, including me (I got Gen2 Mango phone). They are business, we are customers, they are sitting there to make money, not a marriage.
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I agree with you that from business point, it's not worth too much for MS. But still, they put a lot effort to get this tiny share of smartphone market and with this act, they might just lose many of those that's quite unhappy about the fact they got dumped. I have a WP, an android tab and a iPhone, when apple released iOS6, I found iPhone 3gs still can take some advantage of the new OS, which is quite amazing given my tab won't be supported for any new updates and my WP will be in the dark. So seems to me, investing in iPhone is a better idea somehow, the quality is better than those OEMs too. (my monthly bill will be the same for iPhone or WP with LTE)
I don't mean to argue anything, it is just my feeling of the strategy every different companies chose, preference of those companies. I was firmly against iPhone because I have Sprint which had no iPhone to choose from and I won't pay for the overhead. Then Sprint brought in iPhone and I got one and am happy about the result, proved that it is not just a hype. Myself, I was using TP2 then switched to WP(got for free) and I'm happy mostly after a long time(got used to those craps eventually) and will keep using that WP(had to do a repair because of part of the screen stopped responding)
I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here but not everyone has cash to upgrade at the launch of new tech. As long as MSFT provides some support for WP7 and doesn't completely kill it, then I'd be more incline to stay with WP. Yes the average Joe won't hack their phone but at least with Android if you pay attention and read the forums rooting your phone is worth something a bit more.
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I'm happy with my Gen 1 HTC hd7. Even after tmobile killed it, the custom roms kept coming. And eventually I plan on getting the htc 8x. My HTC has been solid for two years now. Wp8 will have everything my WP 7.8, but better hardware and specs. I'm not too involved in development, but theres lots of homebrew apps. If you want a solid, os go with wp8. If you want more customization, go android. You want last year go ios.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5
The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.
A notification hub or bar or whatever
Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts
and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.
Would that make most of us happy? So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.
See, there is still too much that MSFT locked down in WP7. Some of the HTC devices, like the Mozart, had a LED that could be used for notifications. The Titan's notification LED is a bit more useful, but the one thing in used to love about my BB9780 (my G Nex does this too) is how you could assign different colors for different types of notifications. An orange LED for missed calls and notifications would have been enough.
What I would love to see is the ability to open an app from the lockscreen by tapping on the notification. We can already control the music player from lock screen, why not a medium to long press on an email icon at the bottom of the lock screen to slide up the lock sreen then open the email app? I think that would help for those missed notifications that you don't see when they come in at the top bar in real time. They could also give us the last five types of notifications and save the "us choosing what five we want to get notifications for" as I read they may do in WP8.
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I don't think Microsoft (and Nokia) will completely abandon WP7. Nokia did say that apps that don't require hardware support from the new WP8 devices (such as NFC and multi-core processors) will be available for WP7.x.
Although I'm hoping that newer games such as the new Angry Birds Star Wars (to be released on November 8) from Rovio would be available for WP7.8 users. (After reading the press release, they did say that the game will be available for Windows Phone - here's me hoping that by windows phone they meant both 7.x and 8 users).
Besides, why are we berating Microsoft and Nokia? This happens even to Android and iOS users. Motorola recently posted an announcement explaining why not every devices they have in the market will be upgradable to Android Ice Cream Sandwich, HTC also once announced that its Desire line of handsets would not be upgradable to Gingerbread (although backlash from angry users prompted HTC to create a version of Gingerbread with some memory intensive features removed). iOS is also not an exception. Sure, your 3GS can be upgraded to iOS 6 but try downloading a new app and, oh wait: only compatible with 4th generation iPhone and iPod Touch (pretty sure it will change to "compatible with 5th generation iPhone and iPod Touch only). So, yeah, you have iOS 6 on paper but you don't really have iOS 6 in all its glory.
Do we really need a new operating system when our current OS does everything we need flawlessly? I think I'd find it harder to stomach thinking that my Lumia 800 has WP8 but can't actually do what WP8 was set out to do. I'd stick with my Lumia for the moment and after two years, upgrade to a (hopefully its still there) new Nokia Lumia running the latest WP-OS.