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Quick Battery Drop in Initial 10%

Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!

chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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I spoke to RMK as well as others about this in IRC, doesn't look like anything we can do, deep in the HTC code I guess.

I have the same issue using SkyRaider 3.1. Battery is 100% then after 5-10 minutes drops down to low 90s. It bothered me at first but after several days of moderate to heavy use and still having almost 50% battery left at the end of the day, I just figured it was some kind of bug when reading the battery level at the beginning. How is your battery life overall? If it's like mine, then i wouldn't worry too much about it as long as it's lasting longer. I'm using the 1750mAh battery from Sedio.

I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB

I found this on EVO forum, but I don't know how his solution works. I personally don't think this would be the solution.
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704272
I am using the 1500 mAh battery.
My battery life is uptime around 24 hours and awake time around 6-9 hours depending on usage.

so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?

KB Smoka said:
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
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KB Smoka, so you don't have this problem anymore?
Do you think format the phone and wipe all the data will help?
Have anyone tried formating the phone?

I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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I did bump charge this phone, but it still drops like crazy.
I'll try this out tonight.
Thanks!
Is this a once time fix thing or do you have to do it every time you charge?

bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..

superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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That is bump charging. Something htc is unable or unwilling to fix.
The issue has been known for a while and you have to 'bump charge' every time to avoid the 5-10% drop.
Here's their response about fixing the "bump charge".
"Dear **********,
I understand you would like to know if an update has be released to help get a full charge on your battery without having to bump charge it. At this time we have no information about any updates being released to help resolve this issue on your device. If an update is released for your device you will receive a notification on your device that an update is available.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ************.
Sincerely,
Victor
HTC"

melophat said:
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
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Do you bump charge every single time you charge right now? It's pain in the butt if I have to bump charge everyday.

Yup every day. 4 or 5 times is way overkill though. Just charge phone until green, turn off (don't need to unplug), wait until it turns green then do the plug/unplug one more time.

ufvj217 said:
so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
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Went to stock (official OTA), rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, reset stats and cache and I'm good now.
I charged it to "full" while it was powered on. Once the light turned green I turned the phone off, charged again until the light turned green. Took about 25 minutes. Powered up in recovery wiped battery and cache and now I'm good. The key is after doing all this you have to let the phone completely die.

If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.

vantagejuan said:
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
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I'll try this instead! I don't want to bump charge everyday! It's too troublesome.

chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.

Solutions in search of a problem
Let me preface this by saying that I’m not an electrical engineer, or any sort of expert on phone hardware, but I think a couple issues are being confused. I’ve seen many posts about this battery “problem” here and elsewhere and an important point is being missed. People are confusing what the battery is actually doing with what the phone SAYS the battery is doing. They are NOT the same thing. The battery is a physical device and it will do what it’s going to do.
Battery life is a function of battery quality, initial state of charge, and demand. If you want the battery to last longer, look at ways of reducing demand. What applications are in use? How long is the screen on? What brightness level? Overclocking and undervolting settings? All these will affect ACTUAL battery life.
At lot of the “solutions” discussed have nothing to do with conserving energy use, but have everything to do with messing with how the phone REPORTS the state of charge. A good example is the issue of the initial drop reported by many users during the first few minutes after unplugging the charger. I see this on my own phone. If the phone is “taught” that 100% charge is when it is totally crammed with juice and plugged in as well, it’s not surprising that there is a good bit of voltage drop (+/- 10%?) right after unplugging. Does this mean there is a problem? NO! It’s just the battery doing what batteries do. A lot of the suggestions about wiping battery stats and such have nothing to do with saving energy. They are ways of fiddling with how the phone REPORTS its condition under various circumstances.
My advice: if you are happy with how your battery lasts, over the course of a day or so, then learn to relax, crack open a cold brew, and revel in just what a great phone the Incredible is. If your battery isn’t lasting as long as you need it to, then look at ways to save power or get a larger capacity battery. Tweaking the battery meter function is simply a feel-good exercise and won’t get you any actual improved performance. END OF RANT.

I can confirm that my gf's phone and my good buddies phone(both were never rooted) have never had a problem with the phone charging up slow first off(both phones charge about 1% per minute). And since they accepted the OTA, have not had the problem of charging to 100% and quickly jumping down to 90%. For instance, the other day my buddy charged his phone while on to 100%, played a game for about 2 minutes and closed it, battery was at 99%. Now I have tried and continually try every possible solution to my battery dying quick and charging slow, but am realizing that this must just be the cost of customizing my phone to my liking. And at least for the moment, a stock 2.2 DINC is just not an option for me.

larsrya8 said:
The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
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Sorry that I posted in the wrong forum. I thought this is related to the kernel or ROM I am using (Which is development right????).
Not to question your knowledge about the "battery technology", but why is it only happening to certain people? Nowadays most device are using Li-ion battery, why this phenomenon do not occur to all devices?

Proper battery calibration?

At 90 percent my dhd turns green no matter how many times I wipe the battery stats it doesn't help also the mv of my battery stays at 4189 even when fully charged , anyone help ?
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djamorpheus said:
At 90 percent my dhd turns green no matter how many times I wipe the battery stats
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That's normal (with a lot of ROMs). It doesn't mean it's stopped charging, it should still charge to 100% it's just that 90% is the trigger. Nope, no idea why but rest assured there's nothing wrong.

Batteries don't last forever, they lose charge over time.
To calibrate charge up to max then go into CWM and delete battery info or delete the proper file and that's it.
If you want to make sure the calibration is done correctly then let the battery discharge fully and charge up to max again without a break.
Anyway that's what I have always done and works great for me.

I've never relied on the percentage of battery. I just used the Current Widget and stop charging when it shows 0mA. From my observation, that usually take about 1.5 hour after the led first change color.

ErOR22 said:
Batteries don't last forever, they lose charge over time.
To calibrate charge up to max then go into CWM and delete battery info or delete the proper file and that's it.
If you want to make sure the calibration is done correctly then let the battery discharge fully and charge up to max again without a break.
Anyway that's what I have always done and works great for me.
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The more often recommended method is (via HTC & copied from sticky)
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more
2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour
3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour
Now you can boot into recovery and wipe the stats.
I only suggest this as you have been woping the battery stats a lot and want to make sure all is ok. Although it is also good the first time you get the DHD.

I've done all the steps that everyone has mentioned I was just wondering about the led light going green at 90%
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djamorpheus said:
I've done all the steps that everyone has mentioned I was just wondering about the led light going green at 90%
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In case there's confusion, I wasn't offering advice to fix it, it's normal behaviour in this case, my advice was just to correct any possible bugs from all the battery resets you have done.

[Q] Desire turns off at 10%

Everytime my phone reaches 10%, the phone will shut down itself and it won't turn on again.
i have tried bump charging and calibrating the battery but still without success... anyone got any soulutions other then buying a new battery?
thanks.

Try this: fully charge the phone then let the battery drain completely, until the phone shuts down. Plug the phone into the wall charger, let it charge for a minute or so then turn the phone on while still plugged into the charger and let it charge completely. After a full (100%) charge, the battery indicator should be precise.
I've noticed that if i restart the phone of plug it in after charging, the battery indicator will show an extra 10%, so that's the main reason for the shutdown at or a little below 10%.
This operation should be repeated once a month, just to keep the battery and the battery stats fresh.
Don't wipe battery stats and don't try any other calibration tweaks. They might damage the battery. There are some people here complaining about that.
If the phone still shuts down at 10% after the above-indicated trick, then your battery might be old and in need of replacing, but i wouldn't replace it just because of a 10% indicator error if it can still hold a proper charge.

I have the same problem. I also calibrated my batterie and everything but it still turns off at ~10%.
But since I know that, it's not really a problem

Its always turned off at ~15% for me. I accepted that this was normal. I've seen a lot of posts around but no one seems to of found a proper solution. I actually doubt that there is a proper solution to this.
Punched in..

snq's kernel? I take it is normal with it as none of the GB sense rom managed to come even near the 1-2%. A bug with the kernel probably.
Flashed Oxygen last week - bam, phone turns off at 1%. No calibration was needed even .

Every time this happens to me I charge it 100% then I reset battery stats. Then let it discharge threw normal use then give it a proper charge, plugged into wall charger, not PC.....! And once its 100% ignore green light check it says 100% on the top bar then I unplug. Its normally always sorted then. But I have had to repeat twice in the past.
I also agree about kernal, often after updates it goes bonkers, and I'm on miui, lots of updates
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Mine also used to turn off at ~14%. After using a battery calibrator, i could push it down to 7%. However, on the other "side" of the scale, it goes down qute quickly from 100% to ~92%. All this on GV2.8, and the unofficial ManU kernel 2.1.1.
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Just wipe battery stats in recovery after full discharge if you changed ROM, and then let it charge to 100%.

Used the battery calibrator app (for nexus one) with detailed instructions. Now batt lifeis awesome, turns off at 3%.
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This works great for my Desire, and it turns of at 1%
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1240494
Hope it helps!

I had the same issue on my stock Telstra branded rom. Since changing to cyanogenmod it hasn't happened since.
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darwin567 said:
This works great for my Desire, and it turns of at 1%
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1240494
Hope it helps!
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Did the thread move or die, or is the link just wrong?

T989 Battery Spazzing Out

My phone just started to do this about a week ago.
I tried reflashing, wiping cache/data, factory reset- nothing.
Whenever I charge, it will either charge significantly slow, or say charging but the percentage just goes down as if it wasn't even charging in the first place.
So I powered off for the entire night, (8-9 hours) and it will say fully charged. And I keep it connected to the charger but when I take a look at the phone again about 15 min later it reads 83% battery and charging.
I was really annoyed so I just left my phone on the charger again while I took a power nap (1-2 Hours) and after that I take a look and now it reads 68%.
The other day I saw it was fully charged so I took it off the charger and went on with my day. After, not even about 8 hours, it was already 10%.
It's like it only charges normally when the phone is shut off. Do I just need to replace the battery? Or is it something with the phone that drains the battery so quickly? I've already ordered a replacement extended battery off of Amazon just in case.

Most likely your battery. Go into battery stats and see whats apps are having high usage. Or download Gsam.
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Im pretty sure its the battery now, the stats are normal and it doesn't seem like one process is hogging all the cpu. Can't wait for my extended battery next week, i cant last a week more with this annoying battery issue. Any suggestions for now?

arthurgreeeen said:
Im pretty sure its the battery now, the stats are normal and it doesn't seem like one process is hogging all the cpu. Can't wait for my extended battery next week, i cant last a week more with this annoying battery issue. Any suggestions for now?
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Keep it off unless you really need it? Also are u rooted or on stock?
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[Q] Battery Callibration

How to do this ?
I've installed an app called battery calliberation. Will it work ?
Coz my battery stats do not display correct percentage.
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I did it with that app long ago, after rooting and first install of custom rom. It worked.

massofsin said:
I did it with that app long ago, after rooting and first install of custom rom. It worked.
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Gonna try it then.
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Αfaik, there are two ways to calibrate your phone. The first one is when it's fully charged, the second one when your battery is at 0% and your phone shuts down. Both ways worked for me. I always prefer the second one. Remember to calibrate your battery each time you flash a ROM.
I've never done it with an app though.
* When your battery is at 0% and your phones shuts down, boot into recovery and wipe battery stats. (Yes, there is enough battery to do this)
* Power off your phone again and let it charge for 3hours or even more, so you know that it is fully charged.
* Then click the power button and do not remove the charger untill you have access to all of your apps.
* Remove your charger.
* Use the phone untill it shuts down again when the battery is at 0%.
* Charge it fully again and your battery is calibrated in the best way.
At least, this is how I calibrate my battery for the past two years. I hope I helped.

In my eyes calibrating the battery is a myth, as batteries get old they will eventually wear and lose charge this cannot be helped by any apps, couple that with the endless amounts of complaints with regard to batteries not fully charging to 100% on some htc wildfires which was reported months and months ago as a motherboard fault by someone.
Wiping batterystats.bin from recovery is another myth as all it does is wipe the stats you see in the battery settings menu, this is wiped automagically every single time you fully charge the phone so that once you unplug it from the charger you get an accurate reading of how fast the battery is draining, so wiping it in recovery is pointless.
The best way to get every drop of juice from a battery is to stop apps running that you don't need to be running......
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Scratch0805 said:
In my eyes calibrating the battery is a myth, as batteries get old they will eventually wear and lose charge this cannot be helped by any apps, couple that with the endless amounts of complaints with regard to batteries not fully charging to 100% on some htc wildfires which was reported months and months ago as a motherboard fault by someone.
Wiping batterystats.bin from recovery is another myth as all it does is wipe the stats you see in the battery settings menu, this is wiped automagically every single time you fully charge the phone so that once you unplug it from the charger you get an accurate reading of how fast the battery is draining, so wiping it in recovery is pointless.
The best way to get every drop of juice from a battery is to stop apps running that you don't need to be running......
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You seem to know what you are talking about. You maybe be right i'll give you an example of what happened to me.After flashing a rom, the battery dropped at 99% after one day of really hard use of the device. The next day,despite the fact that I did the half use of the phone battery dropped at 40% w/o a reason. I was browsing through my homescreens and the battery was redusing by 1 or 2 percent each minute. This kept happening for the next days till I calibrated my battery. Then everything was smooth again and the battery was dropping in reasonable amounts. I can't unsee this fact. Your opinion makes sense though.