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just dreaming: imagine if the evo had a slide out keyboard?

If it had a slide out keyboard and a tilting screen I think I would use that until, well until we start getting mobile devices embedded into out heads.
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Check out the post in the general section about the HTC EVO Shift 4G
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I would have..I would have..never bought it.....

Like the Tilt with Windows Mobile? I mean seriously, there is no need for a physical keyboard in this day n' age. It just takes away from the quality of a solid phone...

keyboard boo!
we need to rise up against ancient technology that keeps reappearing and not improved!
soon we wont have the screen either, it will be projected into our minds. there wont even be a phone either as we will be able to link by thought to others to transfer vocal messages/tweets/meme

you guys raelly think a slide out keyboard would be a step backwards?
i have had several of each of these 8125 8525 8925 and tilt 2 and i loved them for their keyboards. i do a lot of texting, email and web browsing and of course googling on my mobile devices, and while i can say that the onscreen kb works better than i thought it would, it still doesn't compare to a physical keyboard.
to me its kinda like the ipad vs the netbook. which one would you prefer if you had a couple of emails to send out? what if you wanted to work on your school work? my phone is more for work then play, although i do play on it.. alot
i also know that engineering keyboard into the build without sacrificing some bulk is almost impossible but since i am not a design engineer i wont worry about that.
i dor one am eager to see what this evo shift will be. i honestly thought it was some sort of type o

I went from a Touch Pro to a Touch Pro 2 and never thought I'd ever buy a phone without a hard keyboard. When the TP2 died, I decided to give the Hero a try. Definitely sucked due to the screen size (and slowwwww processor) but have been happy with the EVO.
The only advantage I see to a hard keyboard is screen realestate. The soft keyboard covers almost half the screen in portrait and over half the screen in landscape. Other than that, the SIP is good enough at correcting mistakes that I don't really see the need for a hard keyboard for typical day to day EVO usage.

dianneeraser said:
I would have..I would have..never bought it.....
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Me too... I hate slide out keyboards!

potna said:
you guys raelly think a slide out keyboard would be a step backwards?
i have had several of each of these 8125 8525 8925 and tilt 2 and i loved them for their keyboards. i do a lot of texting, email and web browsing and of course googling on my mobile devices, and while i can say that the onscreen kb works better than i thought it would, it still doesn't compare to a physical keyboard.
to me its kinda like the ipad vs the netbook. which one would you prefer if you had a couple of emails to send out? what if you wanted to work on your school work? my phone is more for work then play, although i do play on it.. alot
i also know that engineering keyboard into the build without sacrificing some bulk is almost impossible but since i am not a design engineer i wont worry about that.
i dor one am eager to see what this evo shift will be. i honestly thought it was some sort of type o
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Ipad vs netbook? Netbook everyday, my fingers fit on the keyboard, if a cell had a keyboard my fingers fit on then omg nobrainer I would have it and love it, but for small devices ie cellphones etc where your full hands in home position don't fit then a onscreen keyboard is ideal.

Keyboards are so 1990's.....

Same here...never would have bought it.
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That would be so ****ty. Especially the tilting screen. If I want a Nokia phone I'd get one.

Should i jump to the epic?

If i exchange my EVO this will be my fourth one. Dust, screen seperation, light leakage .
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you wanna know what i think.... no. just like my gfs captivate its got a lot under the hood but as far as customization goes its lame. HTC phones always seem to have more devs working on them. thats unfortunate that you have so many problems i feel like its a solid phone havent had any problems. i tell you what i got a hero in great shape no dust or anything just send me your dusty evo first

Rally187 said:
you wanna know what i think.... no. just like my gfs captivate its got a lot under the hood but as far as customization goes its lame. HTC phones always seem to have more devs working on them. thats unfortunate that you have so many problems i feel like its a solid phone havent had any problems. i tell you what i got a hero in great shape no dust or anything just send me your dusty evo first
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I'm also curious....As much as I love my Evo, I cannot get used to not having a physical keyboard. I have used the stock one, and also used fresh and Cyanogenmod. I have the HTC_IME special keyboard and just can't get used to it. I have noticed that the gingerbread one seems to be a lot easier to type on....I just can't seem to find on how to download it along with installing it. But people who have the Samsung Epic 4G I'm curious what everyone thinks about it.

my girlfriend also has an epic its nothing special with the dev work going on there. If you get an epic expect to have a very stock experience and the gps is rather finkey on that phone

Please do!!!!!

I came frome an epic.
Shotty build quality
Gps rarely worked right
Has the physical keyboard but would miss letters all the time.(button was hit but it wouldn't register.
Screen is nice but not big enough for me.
Always alot of wobble from the screen and the keyboard.
I kept mine for 4 months. I loved the screen but the issues it had and a lack dev support compared to the evo made me switch.
Love the evo, im used to the onscreen keyboard and I like it alot better.
Choice is yours.
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Marlowr05 said:
I'm also curious....As much as I love my Evo, I cannot get used to not having a physical keyboard. I have used the stock one, and also used fresh and Cyanogenmod. I have the HTC_IME special keyboard and just can't get used to it. I have noticed that the gingerbread one seems to be a lot easier to type on....I just can't seem to find on how to download it along with installing it. But people who have the Samsung Epic 4G I'm curious what everyone thinks about it.
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i assume you're rooted so flash this from recovery like you would a rom. clear cache and dalvik first

BrianDigital said:
my girlfriend also has an epic its nothing special with the dev work going on there. If you get an epic expect to have a very stock experience and the gps is rather finkey on that phone
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Yea wut he^ said. I got my mom an epic, its a good device an to be honest if I wasn't into custom roms an such, I probably would have it but the Evo support is endless I..I can't leave I frickin need this
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Ya im probably gonna stick with the evo. It just hrinds my gears bout the dust.
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ROFLMAO! I read Sultan.of.swing's response, and I was like "damn, I don't remember responding in this thread". Then I realized it wasn't me. I was in exactly the same boat. Just traded my Epic for an Evo, and couldn't be happier. GPS never worked. Keyboard just felt janky, and made the phone feel so unstable and wobbly. I LOVED the screen on the Epic, but that was about it. Every time I hit the power key, it felt like it was gonna slip out of my hand or fall apart or something. And the fact that it STILL doesn't have official Froyo is just sad. I highly doubt I'll ever buy another Samsung phone. I've had so few problems with my two HTC phones (Nexus One and Evo), that they really made the Epic feel like a toy. That's the best description I can give of the Epic. Yeah, it may have better specs overall, but it seriously feels like a damn toy.

[Q] Where are all the trackpads?!

So, i know this really isnt quite the right place...but what ever...So i've been using the incredible for over a year now, and i've gotten really used to the trackpad; I love it. But i've noticed on most new phones, atleast the verizon ones, theres no trackpad!? What happened HTC?! so i was wondering, when flashing a rom with clockwork on a phone with no trackpad, how do you scroll? do you have to use the volume buttons? there are other issues with no trackpad...like the fatfinger selection, sometimes you go to click something, but its so close to another thing you click the other thing instead...does anyone else love the trackpad? this is kind of a big issue for me...i really love my dinc, but kinda want 4g and front facing camera (and has to be a htc phone; i like the home button where it is!!!) faster cpu would be nice too..but any way...i just wanted to vent and see if anyone else has put thought into this...i mean the dinc is a great phone, and with new roms coming out all the time(been running NilsP Business gingersense andro2.3.3 with sense 3.0) it can stay uptodate pretty well, but only on the software side...ok..i'm done...

You should have vented in the General Section. This doesn't contribute at all to any development.
If I've helped you, hit the thanks button!

Wrong section.
Don't hold me on this, but I think the HTC Desire Z/T-Mobile G2 was the last HTC phone with a trackpad..
edit: MyTouch series, also..

Hope a mod moves this to general.
I completely agree. I find the trackpad extremely useful at times. Without even thinking about it I go right to it.
The truth is the DInc is getting older. Although I have had it for two years and still f'n love it, its time will be up. There are many amazing and powerful phones coming out and its just gonna get better. Personally, I'm looking at the HTC Vigor or Samsung Droid Prime as my next device. They seem to me the only Verizon phones that could possibly live up to the Incredible legacy.
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cmckee.cna said:
So, i know this really isnt quite the right place...but what ever...So i've been using the incredible for over a year now, and i've gotten really used to the trackpad; I love it. But i've noticed on most new phones, atleast the verizon ones, theres no trackpad!? What happened HTC?! so i was wondering, when flashing a rom with clockwork on a phone with no trackpad, how do you scroll? do you have to use the volume buttons? there are other issues with no trackpad...like the fatfinger selection, sometimes you go to click something, but its so close to another thing you click the other thing instead...does anyone else love the trackpad? this is kind of a big issue for me...i really love my dinc, but kinda want 4g and front facing camera (and has to be a htc phone; i like the home button where it is!!!) faster cpu would be nice too..but any way...i just wanted to vent and see if anyone else has put thought into this...i mean the dinc is a great phone, and with new roms coming out all the time(been running NilsP Business gingersense andro2.3.3 with sense 3.0) it can stay uptodate pretty well, but only on the software side...ok..i'm done...
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Well I'm pretty sure as your are in the minority. As most people, that I know anyway, don't use the touchpad and find it a waste of space.

nfiniti9 said:
Well I'm pretty sure as your are in the minority. As most people, that I know anyway, don't use the touchpad and find it a waste of space.
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+1. Don't use it, need it, or want it.

Trackball, yes. (Droid Eris)
Optical trackpad? No. Awful.
Volume keys work fine in recovery. And you can't get a hair stuck in them which causes your homescreen to scroll like crazy.

godsmacked4653 said:
Trackball, yes. (Droid Eris)
Optical trackpad? No. Awful.
Volume keys work fine in recovery. And you can't get a hair stuck in them which causes your homescreen to scroll like crazy.
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Oh man don't get me started on track balls... Those things suck... Do you know how many of those things fall out?!!? I've had the Samsung omnia (windows based smart phone) It was my first optical trackpad, damn thing was great even could change it to a mouse which was pretty cool...then moved to a moto droid, no trackpad of any kind until you open the kb, horrible design in my opinion. And how are you supposed to "hover" over a video(like on Bing) so it plays? I can hover over it with my trackpad with out opening it.
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RamAir02 said:
Hope a mod moves this to general.
I completely agree. I find the trackpad extremely useful at times. Without even thinking about it I go right to it.
The truth is the DInc is getting older. Although I have had it for two years and still f'n love it, its time will be up. There are many amazing and powerful phones coming out and its just gonna get better. Personally, I'm looking at the HTC Vigor or Samsung Droid Prime as my next device. They seem to me the only Verizon phones that could possibly live up to the Incredible legacy.
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So... I just looked at the droid prime... Disappointed... They're taking of the physical buttons... I like my buttons below the screen.... Maybe the dinc will be my last phone.. never upgrade.... Ill just get a new 4g phone and pull out the cellular reciever and the front facing camera.. who needs a proximity sensor anyway?
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TP2 dying...replace or get an android phone?

I am looking for advice from others who have been in my position and tried to go to another phone from the Touch Pro 2. Like most people here I HAVE to have a full keyboard.
My tp2 is having some physical issues and I am wondering if there is greener grass out there (with a faster processor but probably not as good of a keyboard) or if I should just buy another tp2 from the bay.
I'm with t-mobile and it seems like the mytouch 4g slide is my best option if I go new (4 row keyboard...but it's htc and seems to be decent from my research). The sidekick has a 5 row keyboard but seems like a mediocre phone.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks.

MT4GS seems like great hardware.
I wouldn't get another TP2 if you can help it. Sure the kb is great... but that's about the only thing "great" about it. Android will get better, but only slightly - I doubt it'll ever be 100% as good as a native Android device with the exact same hardware - which keep in mind is ancient by mobile standards. Start talking about/comparing newer hardware, and the TP2 is a lost cause.

arrrghhh said:
MT4GS seems like great hardware.
I wouldn't get another TP2 if you can help it. Sure the kb is great... but that's about the only thing "great" about it. Android will get better, but only slightly - I doubt it'll ever be 100% as good as a native Android device with the exact same hardware - which keep in mind is ancient by mobile standards. Start talking about/comparing newer hardware, and the TP2 is a lost cause.
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Yeah, the processor is a vast improvement and the memory is triple, I think. The keyboard doesn't have the numbers row and might not even have arrows but I think I'm going to have to move on. It's been a good couple of years. I think based on my join date here I got it in dec/jan of '10. So I'm coming up on 2 years. Hardware changes too fast to stay relevant much longer than that.

sry to hijack your thread but i have pretty much the same question. my tp2 died on me yesterday and i urgently need to find a replacement. i am temporarily using my old dusty Wing for now, lol.
what's a good phone to replace tp2 currently? i like to stay with windows but it seems the window phone are not getting much love so i am open to go android (just got my kindle fire in the mail today so might as well give android a try)
i am not big on social networking, so all these twitter and facebook app don't really attract me that much. i primarily use my tp2 for business, need email (imap), calandar (able to sync with outlook calandar), conference calling would be nice, and some basic internet browsing (espn, cnn, etc)
base on the above, what would you recommend?

eric1032 said:
sry to hijack your thread but i have pretty much the same question. my tp2 died on me yesterday and i urgently need to find a replacement. i am temporarily using my old dusty Wing for now, lol.
what's a good phone to replace tp2 currently? i like to stay with windows but it seems the window phone are not getting much love so i am open to go android (just got my kindle fire in the mail today so might as well give android a try)
i am not big on social networking, so all these twitter and facebook app don't really attract me that much. i primarily use my tp2 for business, need email (imap), calandar (able to sync with outlook calandar), conference calling would be nice, and some basic internet browsing (espn, cnn, etc)
base on the above, what would you recommend?
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Any of those needs would be met with WP7, iOS or Android. I say use your Kindle, then go to the phone store and use WP7. Read reviews, understand the pros and cons of each system and understand how they will effect you and whether or not you care.

pimpmasters said:
I am looking for advice from others who have been in my position and tried to go to another phone from the Touch Pro 2. Like most people here I HAVE to have a full keyboard.
My tp2 is having some physical issues and I am wondering if there is greener grass out there (with a faster processor but probably not as good of a keyboard) or if I should just buy another tp2 from the bay.
I'm with t-mobile and it seems like the mytouch 4g slide is my best option if I go new (4 row keyboard...but it's htc and seems to be decent from my research). The sidekick has a 5 row keyboard but seems like a mediocre phone.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Go with Android! I would prefer a phone with at least 512MB memory.

Himalayas said:
Go with Android! I would prefer a phone with at least 512MB memory.
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I second that. The Rhodium has been out for so long now but reality is that it's seriously outdated, although it is a sturdy as hell phone that can run android pretty darn well. The only thing I miss about my Tilt2 is how sturdy that thing is. The keyboard, you could buy a slide phone but think of it realistically. The less moving parts, the less of a chance of it breaking(not to mention how slimmer it gets) . Also, there are so many android keyboards out there that can really help you cope with not having a slide keyboard. Get an Android phone, I'd recommend Samsung. Motorola is nice but their MotoBlur UI is too cruddy. HTC isn't too bad either except that their batteries suck ass.
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Meh, I love my slide out 5 row keyboard. I'm not switching to a new phone anytime soon. Keeping an eye on Android development for the TP2 though.

thenexus said:
Meh, I love my slide out 5 row keyboard. I'm not switching to a new phone anytime soon. Keeping an eye on Android development for the TP2 though.
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Those developers are brewing something great too .

The issue with my TP2 is strange. when I slide out the keyboard it will go to landscape for a second...then switch back and think it's closed.
From what I have read the open/close is determined by magnets. That doesn't make much sense since they seem to be able to tell that the phone was opened/closed...but then forget. That seems to be more like a contact issue. I opened the phone up but don't exactly know what to look for when it comes to an intermittent problem like this. It doesn't make much sense based on the research I have done and information I read.

NEW Sprint Phones With Keyboard????

Does anyone have any info on Sprint maybe getting a New android phone with a Hard keyboard this year??

I highly doubt it I think that would be a step back if anything.

rbtrucking said:
I highly doubt it I think that would be a step back if anything.
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How would that be a step back ?

Some people feel that keyboards are unnecessary on a phone. Also this appears to be most of the general public because typically phones with keyboards don't sell as well as their keyboardless counterparts.
I'm not one of those people... I can type faster and more accurately without a keyboard than I can with any touch keyboard - I'd rather be able to type exactly what I want than to have to rely on auto-prediction or have to hunt around on-screen for the symbol I want to type. I also hate the amount of screen real-estate that the keyboard uses up.
The only thing I miss from my Touch Pro 2 to this phone is the physical keyboard. I was hoping I'd get over it after a while, but I still miss it every time the auto-predictor guesses the wrong word and I have to go back and re-type it. Which fortunately since I use SwiftKey X isn't that often, but if I had a physical keyboard it wouldn't happen at all.
Unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question though - I was hoping there would be one in this thread

JosephD1014 said:
Some people feel that keyboards are unnecessary on a phone. Also this appears to be most of the general public because typically phones with keyboards don't sell as well as their keyboardless counterparts.
I'm not one of those people... I can type faster and more accurately without a keyboard than I can with any touch keyboard - I'd rather be able to type exactly what I want than to have to rely on auto-prediction or have to hunt around on-screen for the symbol I want to type. I also hate the amount of screen real-estate that the keyboard uses up.
The only thing I miss from my Touch Pro 2 to this phone is the physical keyboard. I was hoping I'd get over it after a while, but I still miss it every time the auto-predictor guesses the wrong word and I have to go back and re-type it. Which fortunately since I use SwiftKey X isn't that often, but if I had a physical keyboard it wouldn't happen at all.
Unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question though - I was hoping there would be one in this thread
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+1
I miss my tp2 (well actually i still have it i just cant let go but its not active on a plan anymore) i loved the keyboard on it and then i got the Epic 4g cause of the keyboard then i started typing more and more on the touchscreen so i could get used to it for when i upgraded to Epic Touch 4g but its just not the same. I hate the auto-predictor i have many custom keyboards and swype to type faster but thats only good on quick text messages or very short emails but i use my phone for work and typing with the on screen keyboard long emails or sms is just a pain in the butt also all the screen real estate it takes up whenever i log in to one of my pc's through my phone and start typing it takes up to much space . my wife has the epic 4g still and i always go back to using that one for long emails.

There was a thread floating around here a couple weeks back that looked as if it was from an official Sprint memorandom. It stated that there was a new Epic 2 in the works. People were speculating that it may be an update to the Epic4G , in fact I believe qbking77 even did a video on it let me see if I can find it..I looked and for the life of me came up blank? sorry. I found this though.
http://www.sprintfeed.com/2012/01/epic-2-still-in-the-cards-qwerty-slider-and-all/

i hope they do make an EPIC 2 but with the latest specs available and with atleast the size of the Epic touch 4g same shape as the Epic touch no round corners like the Epic 4g has.

Ma$etas said:
i hope they do make an EPIC 2 but with the latest specs available and with atleast the size of the Epic touch 4g same shape as the Epic touch no round corners like the Epic 4g has.
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All info earlier was pointing to a single core phone ....lol
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You could always buy a small bluetooth keyboard and pair it with your phone.

dont want to have to do that especially cause the battery life

IMO keyboards make phones much more bulky and not worth it, especially since I can type just as fast with one compared to if I use Swype or Swift Key.

I work there and I haven't heard anything about a keyboard model coming out, not one worth getting anyway lol...

yahknow1 said:
There was a thread floating around here a couple weeks back that looked as if it was from an official Sprint memorandom. It stated that there was a new Epic 2 in the works. People were speculating that it may be an update to the Epic4G , in fact I believe qbking77 even did a video on it let me see if I can find it..I looked and for the life of me came up blank? sorry. I found this though.
http://www.sprintfeed.com/2012/01/epic-2-still-in-the-cards-qwerty-slider-and-all/
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the Samsung SPH-D705 has been in my cellebrite for a while now too... but i havent heard anything since this link

Aganar said:
You could always buy a small bluetooth keyboard and pair it with your phone.
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You don't know how many times I've actually considered this. (answer: a lot)