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wonder why every one loves the defy so much

titles says it all.
you know i picked up my phone because im REAL ROUGH with my phones. (lost 2 to jetskis and 2 to just plan old wear and tear) i loved the idea of a phone that if it was raining i wouldnt have to worry about pulling it out and drowning it or if i banged my leg on something while at work i wouldnt destroy my phone.
Now i NEVER expected to have a phone that would see this much support. i mean motorola just put out the droid x, this phone is a little weird looking (i dont really like the white and black) it has a smaller screen then ur average smart phone and its not the most powerful thing out there.
But have any of u noticed the amount of love us defy owners are getting???? the phone was rooted REAL fast. we had 2.2 by what the 2nd month the phone was out. now we have 2nd init AND cm7 (2.3). i mean the droid x doesnt get anywhere near that much attention from the developers and people where SWEARING it was the big next thing.
honestly im just shocked that my phone is faster smoother and prettier then my friends droid x, then to top it off i can drop it into a puddle pick it up and start searching the web with no problems. its a beautiful beautiful thing
i just want to thank ALL the people that have become as taken with this phone as i have (who knew motorola could do something right) and then taken time out of there lives to make it better.

rugged but sexy, tough but fast and on top of it is android OS. ahh.. just the perfect blend. until motorola defy 2 comes out (which I hope is already planned) am sticking with this as my main phone along with my other devices. I even created a new xda account for the love of motorola defy. ;]

my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor but it must be implemented really well, his Galaxy ace cannot play snes and megadrive games smoothly where as they are spot on on my defy

its beautiful, fast, very well supported, amazing display, android os, rugged, and its the perfect size. i mean, 4" screen is too big for my hands, but 3.7" is just perfect. and of course, its by far the best phone for this price!
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Powerfull, compact, rugged, i like the all display design, superb reception, strong and clean speaker (when not defective) high resolution display, flash support, good graphic card, nice overclock, low price, better developers community ......what else?
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Defy has the personality/functionality of a water-resistant watch. So, when you come to think about it, that's exactly what a smart phone should be.

You got to touch it to know it...
It's not too big like HTC desire models and it's not too small you unable to type sms.
Features and functionality.. above posts said it all

Many reasons: first of all, the roughness. Then, it is easily customizable (something quite rare in a Motorola phone). Somehow, it was also very well coded, so things run smooth on it, even without overclocking (even though OC lets me play Modern Combat 2 with absolutely no lag). Also, nice display, very decent camera (specially after you enable 720p recording), and, most of all, the excellent cost-benefit. With the data plan I got from my carrier, it only costed me 50% more than a X8 or a Galaxy 5 would cost (149 reais - the currency here in Brazil - against R$99 of the SonyEricsson or the Samsung phones). The only other phone I saw such an active developing community was the HTC Magic (consequently, the HTC Dream, too). But, with the Defy's hardware, developers can do even more.

I bought the phone after 20 days of exclusive research on HTCs, SAMSUNGs, and offcourse MOTOs. considering the price, look, CPU, internal memory, toughness, .... it is by far the best available.
I would not regret buying it.

I wanted a new phone with a keyboard and android, there was nothing i liked out at the time so i got the defy because of the ruggedness. So far it's already saved itself and me from having to buy a replacement due to a large drink spill on a table.
I've also been the cause of a few different HTC's early retirements due to accidental dropping's and submerging them in liquid, so im very pleased with the defy.
Also mhz means nothing when your comparing completely different types of chips. And the 800mhz in the defy is very good.

To add, Defy is amazingly fairly priced. With all the ruggedness, you pretty much pay for 1 (toughphone or Andromobile, choose), get 2 for free.
Oh and we all love MotoBlur

I had to choose from a iPhone 3GS (8gb) SGS 1 and Moto Defy. Of course Defy . It's a well priced smartphone, good looking on black, powerfull and light. I got it for 99 euro's on 2 year 17 euro data plan but the price could have dropped to as much as 50 euro's depending on how much minutes and SMS you wanted.
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.

For me it does everything i need it to do and more

Deonix said:
I hope Motorola unlocks the bootloader in Q4 as i saw people saying here. And in 2012 it gives us the Defy 2 . I can say Motorola is back in business.
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Moto is in business since they released Droid/Milestone. Let's hope that they keep their word regarding the unlocked bootloader. Though I am also looking forward to Defy 2, it also means my Defy will become old when the upgrade comes out

Pros:
+ Compact. 3.7" Screen yet is more compact than the iPhone except in thickness.
+ Rugged. The only Android phone out that is durable.
+ Price.
Cons
- Not the latest Android
- Locked bootloader
- Camera is below average
- Faulty earpiece design (fixed?)

MrBelter said:
my 2.1 defy feels miles faster than my brothers 2.2 Samsung Galaxy Ace and his Ace keeps locking up for no apparent reason. People moan about the Defy only having an 800MHz processor
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The Defy is technically in the same class as the big phones, Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire, iPhone 4 etc, in terms of processing power and screen resolution.
Samsung Galaxy Ace is a mid-range phone similar to LG Optimus One. They are in a different class altogether.
IMVHO Motorola did a technical masterpiece with the Defy. Although the screen is almost as big as the iPhone 4 the area around the screen is minimal. They wasted almost no space.

Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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Raccroc said:
Out of curiosity, anyone here considering a move to Casio's G'zOne Commando?
While perhaps more rugged than most smartphones, the Defy is not a rugged device. The Commando on the otherhand, meets several Military 810G rugged compliance specifications.
I am thinking about it and can live with the slightly smaller screen. What I cannot live with is Bing and Verizon bloat, so I am curious to see the community support.
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That's an interesting phone :
Pro's :
-Even more rugged than the Defy
-A few more sensors than the Defy (Temperature and so on)
Con's :
-Very ugly phone
-USA Only
Pro & Con (At same time) : Froyo (Yes it comes with Froyo but the Defy can easily have 2.3.4 CM7 ,so still a win )
It is rugged and looks like one,but take in fact the Defy doesnt look at all rugged and it is.
Also you dont know its GPU,or if it has a dedicated one,Defy has a PowerVR 530 for sure.
Basically theire both good,depends on which you want to lean twards,for the most rugged but same time heavy(& ugly)phone,get the Casio,for just a rugged phone,get the Defy....and for a sensible plastic thingy,get anything else lol.
Respect

I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection. That's ok...

skattegat said:
I like the battery-performance of my Defy. 3 full days including a 6 hour geocaching trail with GPS-connection.
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What the ! which ROM are you using ? and did you clear off some useless apps?

Whats replacing the defy as a tough phone

Hi everyone
I need defy users to help me decide on my next phone as upgrade time is here and I need to upgrade or move to another provider I'm currently with orange UK and all they have as upgrades are iphones and Samsung galaxies but I like how tough my defy is and don't want to upgrade for these reasons.
the Samsung galaxy sIII has gorilla glass v2 on it but i want the ip rating has anyone else here had the same issue with moving from the defy as the UK providers dont seem to have any tough phones.
I love the defy to bits its perfect for me I can take it out on the boat get it hammered in waves and still use it, use it in the british weather, go fishing with it the only downside is how the touch screen jumps all over the place when its wet I'm currently running jelly bean nightly builds on the gingerbread kernel with a defy MB525 with red lens and its a great phone with great dev support.
I've only ever owned two android phones the G1 and the defy all other phones were windows mobile htc phones and by the time my contract was up the phones i previosly owned were battered had bits replaced or hacked to get working again but the defy has lasted me through an entire 18 month contract perfectly intact its an ace phone.
the only thing i've had to fix on the defy were the battery terminals in the battery as they became loose and when you unplugged the usb it gave the phone enough of a shake to make the phone reboot took me a while to work out that, I thought it was a software issue at first
can any other defy users give me some ideas what to replace the defy with

R_AL_Sim said:
Hi everyone
I need defy users to help me decide on my next phone as upgrade time is here and I need to upgrade or move to another provider I'm currently with orange UK and all they have as upgrades are iphones and Samsung galaxies but I like how tough my defy is and don't want to upgrade for these reasons.
the Samsung galaxy sIII has gorilla glass v2 on it but i want the ip rating has anyone else here had the same issue with moving from the defy as the UK providers dont seem to have any tough phones.
I love the defy to bits its perfect for me I can take it out on the boat get it hammered in waves and still use it, use it in the british weather, go fishing with it the only downside is how the touch screen jumps all over the place when its wet I'm currently running jelly bean nightly builds on the gingerbread kernel with a defy MB525 with red lens and its a great phone with great dev support.
I've only ever owned two android phones the G1 and the defy all other phones were windows mobile htc phones and by the time my contract was up the phones i previosly owned were battered had bits replaced or hacked to get working again but the defy has lasted me through an entire 18 month contract perfectly intact its an ace phone.
the only thing i've had to fix on the defy were the battery terminals in the battery as they became loose and when you unplugged the usb it gave the phone enough of a shake to make the phone reboot took me a while to work out that, I thought it was a software issue at first
can any other defy users give me some ideas what to replace the defy with
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sony xperia acro s: dual core 1.5ghz cpu (qualcomm msm8260), adreno 220 gpu, 1gb ram, 16gb rom, microsdhc, 4.3" 720*1280 reality display, 12mp cam, hspa+, 1910mah batt, IP57 certificate
this is without a doubt my next phone...

zakoo2 said:
sony xperia acro s: dual core 1.5ghz cpu (qualcomm msm8260), adreno 220 gpu, 1gb ram, 16gb rom, microsdhc, 4.3" 720*1280 reality display, 12mp cam, hspa+, 1910mah batt, IP57 certificate
this is without a doubt my next phone...
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that looks ace its not out yet is it? I thought that was out in the Q4 of this year in the UK I'm probably wrong but orange dont have it yet but having said that orange have very few new phones

Ah so that means its not as tough as the defy then.
Gutted maybe I should stick with the defy and see if I can reduce the cost of my contract
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jesus, good job at misleading people... -.-
the defy+ is IP67, the acro s is IP57, meaning:
defy+: Totally protected against dust, Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m
acro s: Protected against dust; limited ingress (no harmful deposit), Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m
so they are both protected against water the same amount, only difference is dust... so i would say they are equally tough... and the acro s is waaay better than the defy...

What about the guerilla glass?
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Aslolo said:
What about the guerilla glass?
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i doesnt have gorilla glass, i give you that. but its scratch resistant, and has wet finger tracking...

zakoo2 said:
i doesnt have gorilla glass, i give you that. but its scratch resistant, and has wet finger tracking...
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wet finger tracking how does that work on a capacitive screen interesting or does it use a resonance touch screen??
I can live with out it being dust proof but still the defy when overclocked to defy+ spec is an ace phone and for features vs price you cant really beat it, like I said earlier its the only phone that lasted me a full 18 month contract without me replacing the speaker, screen, buttons and battery and i've never once had to dry it out, my old phone i had to leave in bags of rice after going out sometimes
I cant be bothered having two phones one for going out and the other for everyday use I hated it when i had two phones due to work I cant stand that
the only downside to the defy were the socket caps but I'd live with that compared to having to waste a day fixing a phone after abusing it also you dont need to use the headphone cap ever if you get bluetooth stereo headphones
I've seen some other tough android devices out there like the JCB phone but thats to tough for me i only really need the waterproofing and scratch proof plus i want to be able to get it through a typical provider like orange/tmobile o2/vodafone

R_AL_Sim said:
wet finger tracking how does that work on a capacitive screen interesting or does it use a resonance touch screen??
I can live with out it being dust proof but still the defy when overclocked to defy+ spec is an ace phone and for features vs price you cant really beat it, like I said earlier its the only phone that lasted me a full 18 month contract without me replacing the speaker, screen, buttons and battery and i've never once had to dry it out, my old phone i had to leave in bags of rice after going out sometimes
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it does have capacitive touch screen, i dont know how it has wet finger tracking, its a new technology i guess...
about the defy... it really is a good phone, but now its a low-end device... if you want to replace it, you probably want an up-to-date hardware, and a single-core 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram hardly fits that criteria.
im not arguing with you, the defy is unbeatable with its performance/price ratio, but its a locked device with very poor software support.
sony has enabled unlocking the bootloader on the new xperia series, they will probably will do that with the next gen too.
i cant really pick any other device as the successor, just the acro s. it will probably be quite expensive, but its sony, so its worth the money.

zakoo2 said:
it does have capacitive touch screen, i dont know how it has wet finger tracking, its a new technology i guess...
about the defy... it really is a good phone, but now its a low-end device... if you want to replace it, you probably want an up-to-date hardware, and a single-core 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram hardly fits that criteria.
im not arguing with you, the defy is unbeatable with its performance/price ratio, but its a locked device with very poor software support.
sony has enabled unlocking the bootloader on the new xperia series, they will probably will do that with the next gen too.
i cant really pick any other device as the successor, just the acro s. it will probably be quite expensive, but its sony, so its worth the money.
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the wet finger its the selling point for me does anyone know the actual release date for the uk

R_AL_Sim said:
the wet finger its the selling point for me does anyone know the actual release date for the uk
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so far we only know that in q3 2012...

If your phone is still working you can always go onto a rolling contract or PAYG and keep your Defy. I found a call to the retentions department got me a 30 day contract, 325 mins, 150 texts, 750MB Internet, free BT Wifi, free Orange / Orange calls for £ 10 + VAT. I do like Orange now they have combined the network with T-Mobile as I can get a signal virtually anywhere.
Your other option is GiffGaff which uses the O2 network for £10 / month 250 mins, unltd texts and web.
Then take your time and choose your next phone.

Q: Whats replacing the Defy as a tough phone?
A: Nothing can replace Defy as a tough phone.
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I had begun to become really frustrated with my Defy, lag, google maps problems, instability etc. But, having installed Quarx CM10 I am really happy with it again. I think this might lengthen the amount of time I use this phone for before upgrading. I don't feel my Defy is outdated yet, it may not have the latest hardware specs, but I don't think it is struggling to keep up with anything.
Soooooo.....I agree with Nick, imo I would look at getting your monthly payment reduced, but not renewing your contract for more than 30days. I'm on T-Mobile costs me £10 per month including unlimited Internet and free landline calls. My wife has constantly negotiated hers down having kept her phone and now only pays about £8 per month.

Upgrade from Defy

Hi all.
I've had my trusty Defy now for nearly 2 years, and am 4 months shy of my contract end date - but I have no idea what to replace it with.
I'm currently running Epsylon's CM9 ROM, and have always liked the ability to switch ROMs at will, so something with good ROM development is essential.
I love the size of the Defy, something which gave me little choice 2 years ago, and I'm seeing less choice now. Ideally, I'd like a small sized phone rather than a tablet wannabe, but if there isn't anything then I'm open to suggestions.
I mainly use my phone for email, surfing and video playing (YouTube mostly). I'd like something quick, as I'm impatient, but with a good battery life (my Defy's battery started well, but currently only holds charge for a few hours - I'd like a battery that won't give up before my next contract renewal).
Is this the right place to post this? Do ex-Defy owners still visit? I've no idea, but I would appreciate people's opinions.
Thanks.

simon211175 said:
Hi all.
I've had my trusty Defy now for nearly 2 years, and am 4 months shy of my contract end date - but I have no idea what to replace it with.
I'm currently running Epsylon's CM9 ROM, and have always liked the ability to switch ROMs at will, so something with good ROM development is essential.
I love the size of the Defy, something which gave me little choice 2 years ago, and I'm seeing less choice now. Ideally, I'd like a small sized phone rather than a tablet wannabe, but if there isn't anything then I'm open to suggestions.
I mainly use my phone for email, surfing and video playing (YouTube mostly). I'd like something quick, as I'm impatient, but with a good battery life (my Defy's battery started well, but currently only holds charge for a few hours - I'd like a battery that won't give up before my next contract renewal).
Is this the right place to post this? Do ex-Defy owners still visit? I've no idea, but I would appreciate people's opinions.
Thanks.
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Well, I just got the Motorola Droid RaZr for a really good price. Motorola is a good brand (except for bootloader crap )
It has lots of dev, and is REALLY thin.
Hope this may help

Thanks for the reply. I quite like the razr, but it just seems like a giant compared to my defy.
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Maybe something like the Sony Xperia P or U would be something for you
They arent really big and not very expensive

And in favour for the xperia http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_s_will_get_vanilla_android_as_a_google_experiment_-news-4669.php
Although it has the same screen size as the RAZR. Plus Adam gave a thumps down in his disasambly video for the RAZR. I like the looks of the RAZR more and dislike Sony but still would want it more.

I have a razr xt910 and it's nice, but not much of an upgrade from my defy IMO. Development on Defy is actually superior IMO too. I'm actually thinking about an iphone for my next phone just to play with something different. I'm waiting for Iphone 5, if it has good voice quality microphone i'll probably get one.

just check out xperia acro s ... same as xperia s (roms are compatible) but with sdcard extension and ip57 rating

I'll go for a Galaxy S2 as soon as I'm selling my Defy. A little old but still very supported around here. And giving the prepay prices in Romania is not worth going on contract.

I've searched the internet for about one week (documenting stuff) and after that period I ended up ordering a Xperia Acro S ... black ...
Oh boy oh boy ... I can't wait to arrive
I'll keep my defy as a backup phone.

I'm tempted by the Xperia S. I hate the size, but if I want something that actually upgrades what I already have in my Defy then I'm guessing I have to move with the times. I looked at the Xperia U - it's small, and looks nice, but just doesn't feel like it offers much more. The change from Sony to put the Xperia S on to vanilla Android also seems like a great option.

Have a look on HTC One s , the screen is only a tiny bit bigger, the case itself doesn't impress as it is quite big but it seems a very good phone for the next 2 years
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If it wasnt for my Defys IP67 abilities it wouldnt have survived, so my next Android phone will have to be water resitant ( ie can survive being droppped in water ) whats out there.....
not much, there is a Sony ericsson/sony Xperia something or other, but thats not being released in the UK.

[Q] is arc S still Best in Class !!??

i am planning to buy a new arc S tomorrow .. i wanted to ask u ppl how already using one !,
do u ppl think i should buy one at price of 17k INR.. ?? or should i go for a used 4g dual-core ph.
i dont work with too many task (multi-tasking ,,) as RAM is less, so rest other .....??
how far still arc S is competing, what all phones i can compare my arc S with ...((Defy, S2, motorla photon 4g......)) ??
thanks ..

samuraidattu said:
i am planning to buy a new arc S tomorrow .. i wanted to ask u ppl how already using one !,
do u ppl think i should buy one at price of 17k INR.. ?? or should i go for a used 4g dual-core ph.
i dont work with too many task (multi-tasking ,,) as RAM is less, so rest other .....??
how far still arc S is competing, what all phones i can compare my arc S with ...((Defy, S2, motorla photon 4g......)) ??
thanks ..
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Arc s is not too shabby to be honest. Compared to 2012 phones, it obviously doesn't perform as well with noticeably more lag. However it's performance can be boosted to a very large extent if you install a custom rom (either based on stock ICS or MIUI or something else not sure) and to a larger extent with custom kernels. The Arc s compared to 2011 phones is actually pretty good. Regarding the ones you mentioned, it's a lot better than Defy and it's not as fast as S2 and photon because of the number of cores, but in other terms such as Screen quality and camera quality, it's a lot better.
I'm sure threre's more to add

If you want a better phone it's not hard to find but you should be able these days to find an arc s at an affordable price maybe on EBay or something and it's still a good phone but I wouldn't pay much over 300 for one if I was you I would say 250 sounds about right, (250Canadian Dollars).
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samuraidattu said:
i am planning to buy a new arc S tomorrow .. i wanted to ask u ppl how already using one !,
do u ppl think i should buy one at price of 17k INR.. ?? or should i go for a used 4g dual-core ph.
i dont work with too many task (multi-tasking ,,) as RAM is less, so rest other .....??
how far still arc S is competing, what all phones i can compare my arc S with ...((Defy, S2, motorla photon 4g......)) ??
thanks ..
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I'm usin Arc lt15i(not Arc S),but i'm very pleased with it,Arc S has a better processor and i think you will like this phone,well i'm using GB,gaming,multi-tasking,recording and other stuffs works perfect,no lag at all,ICS on the other hand sucks with most games,recording,multi-tasking but hey you can use custom ROM's,it will run just fine.
Xperia Arc S looks very nice it fits very good on your hand.
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samuraidattu said:
i am planning to buy a new arc S tomorrow .. i wanted to ask u ppl how already using one !,
do u ppl think i should buy one at price of 17k INR.. ?? or should i go for a used 4g dual-core ph.
i dont work with too many task (multi-tasking ,,) as RAM is less, so rest other .....??
how far still arc S is competing, what all phones i can compare my arc S with ...((Defy, S2, motorla photon 4g......)) ??
thanks ..
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if you do not care about problems of software maintaining and its low level hardware ,arc s is a good choice

samuraidattu said:
i am planning to buy a new arc S tomorrow .. i wanted to ask u ppl how already using one !,
do u ppl think i should buy one at price of 17k INR.. ?? or should i go for a used 4g dual-core ph.
i dont work with too many task (multi-tasking ,,) as RAM is less, so rest other .....??
how far still arc S is competing, what all phones i can compare my arc S with ...((Defy, S2, motorla photon 4g......)) ??
thanks ..
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I think Arc S is a good choice for new Android users.
Except the gaming experience, it is enough for whatsapp and facebook etc.

I am from India too. I think 17k is lit bit high. Why don't you think about HTC Desire V

arc s is a bad phone, in my country galaxy nexus is only about 50 euro more expensive but it's incomparably better... If I could make my choice again, I'd definitely go for a dual core, 1gb ram phone.
also, build quality is one of the worst I've ever seen. the housing is really squeaky, damn this phone is bad.

progosu said:
also, build quality is one of the worst I've ever seen. the housing is really squeaky, damn this phone is bad.
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Are you sure that you have Xperia Arc S? Sony's phone build quality is the best.
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yulet said:
Are you sure that you have Xperia Arc S? Sony's phone build quality is the best.
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you made my day.

Don't buy this phone! I am the developer, I know what I'm saying! Arc and whole 2011 line is slow, badly-crafted and support from Sony is horrible. Don't buy anything what's not at least dual core and don't even think about Xperia T! It's good phone, but camera is laggy and materials used to produce the device are simply awful! If you want something cheaper - think of Samsung Galaxy SII. If you have some more money to spend, buy HTC One S or Desire X! Those phones have future, not like crap Xperia's.
I will never buy a phone of Sony anymore! Even if it's high-end beast.

This phone is the bad thing that could happen to me..because is a very slow device...only 512 mb ram, but only 350 available, single core, and ~400 mb internal memory, crapy cracks on sensor, low battery life....only good thing is just the sexy look, but hei this should be a smartphone not a girl.....
Overall is my mistake because I buy this, but for sure will be the last Sony phone...and believe me, I'm not a young ..but from a smartphone I want to have at least 1 gb ram and also dual-core processor...maybe Samsung Galaxy S ll...will be my choice, because I don't want a huge phone like S lll...
All the best ...

Why would you even consider purchasing this phone? Budget wouldnt even be reason enough as there are quite a number phones out there, in this price range, which are way better than the arcs. And more importantly, they'd be newer models.
Several months ago it would have been a decent buy. But right now? Why buy a dated phone with terrible specs? Imagine where you'd be in 6 months, or a year. By that time you'd be calling it Grampa Arc S.
It would no longer be worth it anymore. Get something else
Cheers
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I'm very pleased with my ARC S - In Sweden one of the best phones in its price range. Great camera, with camera button and swift system. It has good battery, 44hours~ with moderate use. But if you tweak it a little it'll last a full day and be a little bit faster. It works great, But it's not an S3, It's good, you don't actually need better. really.
the Sony Xperia GO has same CPU specs, water proof, and is cheaper. Aswell with better ROM etc (lolroot). All games I've tried games work great, subway surfer etc works flawlesly on both phones - using ICS.
(owner of both GO and ARC)
You don't need the best of the best systems for a phone. But if you really feel like it, go for an S3. You can now switch games twice as fast!
When looking for phones, I look for durability, Camera , RAM and internet speed. I personally dont have the need to have 1 million widgets, and 10's of apps open at the same time, I usually just do the same things, then close them.

maxio1998 said:
Don't buy this phone! I am the developer, I know what I'm saying! Arc and whole 2011 line is slow, badly-crafted and support from Sony is horrible. Don't buy anything what's not at least dual core and don't even think about Xperia T! It's good phone, but camera is laggy and materials used to produce the device are simply awful! If you want something cheaper - think of Samsung Galaxy SII. If you have some more money to spend, buy HTC One S or Desire X! Those phones have future, not like crap Xperia's.
I will never buy a phone of Sony anymore! Even if it's high-end beast.
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Nonsense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Arc S, infact its the 3rd best phone of 2011, which is why i bought it, it might not be an amazing phone when compared to the current market, but its constantly changing, the Galaxy S2 is out of date now, even if it is / was good. But your opinions just seem anti-sony.
Support from Sony is horrible? In what respect? Sony were the first 3rd party phone developers to deliver ICS to their phones outside of Googles own, they do a pretty good job of adding their own style to the OS with their own apps, and theres not much bloatware.
Granted there are some design floors with Ram and Space on the actual phone, but the whole core thing isn't much of an argument, as the phone was a september 2011 update of the original, they only updated the speed of the processor, but its not like Dual Core phones were on every phone back then, only a handful had them, and they were much more expensive.
Just because a phone is quad core doesnt make it better than a dual core, it's all relative, a lot of people are impressed by the Xperia T, and from what people said months before it was released, its dual core was faster than the Galaxy S3s Quad Core.
The benchmark for smartphones isn't high, you can achieve most of what one person needs with the cheapest of smartphones, its when you get into the realm of chasing the best games and multitasking 50 apps at a time that you need the boost, everything from 2012 on-wards is just constant polish and raising bars that don't need to be raised, to make out that somehow they need more cores n ram, till when? When somehow quad core and 2gb of ram isnt enough, then we have 6 core processors and 8gb of ram in one phone? Where do we draw the line in what is actually needed in a device thats just supposed to connect us to people. I guess Google Project Glass is the answer, as its pointless to keep adding constant power to a device that doesnt need it.

I bought my Xperia Arc S a month ago. I wouldn`t do it again. For less more money (relatively) you can get a Galaxy S2 which is a much more capable device.

stu15 said:
Nonsense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Arc S, infact its the 3rd best phone of 2011, which is why i bought it, it might not be an amazing phone when compared to the current market, but its constantly changing, the Galaxy S2 is out of date now, even if it is / was good. But your opinions just seem anti-sony.
Support from Sony is horrible? In what respect? Sony were the first 3rd party phone developers to deliver ICS to their phones outside of Googles own, they do a pretty good job of adding their own style to the OS with their own apps, and theres not much bloatware.
Granted there are some design floors with Ram and Space on the actual phone, but the whole core thing isn't much of an argument, as the phone was a september 2011 update of the original, they only updated the speed of the processor, but its not like Dual Core phones were on every phone back then, only a handful had them, and they were much more expensive.
Just because a phone is quad core doesnt make it better than a dual core, it's all relative, a lot of people are impressed by the Xperia T, and from what people said months before it was released, its dual core was faster than the Galaxy S3s Quad Core.
The benchmark for smartphones isn't high, you can achieve most of what one person needs with the cheapest of smartphones, its when you get into the realm of chasing the best games and multitasking 50 apps at a time that you need the boost, everything from 2012 on-wards is just constant polish and raising bars that don't need to be raised, to make out that somehow they need more cores n ram, till when? When somehow quad core and 2gb of ram isnt enough, then we have 6 core processors and 8gb of ram in one phone? Where do we draw the line in what is actually needed in a device thats just supposed to connect us to people. I guess Google Project Glass is the answer, as its pointless to keep adding constant power to a device that doesnt need it.
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Very well said My thoughts exactly. Smartphones are not just about the abundance of cores the phone has. Only a very select few of knobheads care about such novelty. As long as it can perform the tasks you need to do, it is subjectively good.
Sent from Xperia Arc S

I'll buy a phone only if it has 4 ghz hexa-core processor,12 gb of ram,10TB internal storage,5000 mAh battery,7 inches display,adreno 999 graphic driver,and 60 mpx camera....Come on peoples,what the hell is with this insanity "don't buy it if it doesn't have at least dual core and 1gb of ram"? Like someone else said,the basic function of a phone is to use it for talk,not for gaming,photoshop or programming. Can't you see that the phone evolved but the batteries are more and more weaker? Why do you need a quad-core which is last only half a day? For the OP: if you don't want a phone for gaming,but for multimedia,Arc S is a wise choice,if you want it for multitasking and games,get a Galaxy S2 or a Galaxy Nexus. PS: i have a Neo,and i'm planning to upgrade it to Xperia V.

The speed was never an issue but the lack of ram and internal storage totally ruined the arc S experience for me and it's put me off Sony devices. My wife has an Xperia S and it sucks too. Never again.
If it wasn't for the Nexus 4 I'd of bought an Acer S500 next. Unique design, amazing display, pretty much stock ICS, SD slot, removable battery, etc. For about £280. Easily rooted as well apparently.
But I got lucky and bagged a Nexus 4.
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The speed was never an issue but the lack of ram and internal storage totally ruined the arc S experience for me and it's put me off Sony devices. My wife has an Xperia S and it sucks too. Never again.
If it wasn't for the Nexus 4 I'd of bought an Acer S500 next. Unique design, amazing display, pretty much stock ICS, SD slot, removable battery, etc. For about £280. Easily rooted as well apparently.
But I got lucky and bagged a Nexus 4.
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WRONG! Xperia Arc (S) wasn't a Sony device,it was a Sony Ericsson device

[Q] Buying a HTC One X ?

Hello, I am coming from LG optimus 2x zone. After i brick my o2x (Dropped) I decided to buy a new phone.
I was looking for phones that are worth to buy.
The LG Optimus 4x HD and the HTC One X
What do you think is it worth buying a One X today ? (Since i don't want to buy LG phone again! Support and firmware updates on LG SUCK)
2. Is there something i should know about One X before buying (Other than that it is awesome) ( I had an HTC HD2 it had a hardware problem with touchscreen i ask for something like this) I read about many bugs (Screen WiFi etc etc..) But i don't want to believe what other people say about this phone i want to hear what users says
EDIT: I am thinking to buy this phone! even if there are a few bugs with it
In my opinion this phone is much better than any phone on the market today (Value for money) . This phone isn't just impressive specs written on white piece of papper It does have style it does have soul. Everytime i come accross it on any shop just screams BUY ME BUY ME PLZZ

Yes you should know many things before buying.
1- some models of one x have wifi problem which is hardware issue also confirmed by htc.
2- battery will not lasts more than 3-4 hours(screen on time) no matter which rom you used.
3-Its camera is not in proper in shape in my opinion to keep it on rough surface. Camera lens got many scratches because of that.
4-front facing cam is not so good may be its mine but worse than my previous phone(galaxy s2).
If you can increase your budget buy a hox+ instead because i think as hox was the trial and hox+ was the finished product by htc. I jave not used hox+ so cant say much about that.
but still if you want to buy hox you will definetely not regret other than the battery life.
Because i think if you are putting money on this you must know all the negative points rather than all plus points which are many in hox no doubts.
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Yes you should know many things before buying.
1- some models of one x have wifi problem which is hardware issue also confirmed by htc.
2- battery will not lasts more than 3-4 hours(screen on time) no matter which rom you used.
3-Its camera is not in proper in shape in my opinion to keep it on rough surface. Camera lens got many scratches because of that.
4-front facing cam is not so good may be its mine but worse than my previous phone(galaxy s2).
If you can increase your budget buy a hox+ instead because i think as hox was the trial and hox+ was the finished product by htc. I jave not used hox+ so cant say much about that.
but still if you want to buy hox you will definetely not regret other than the battery life.
Because i think if you are putting money on this you must know all the negative points rather than all plus points which are many in hox no doubts.
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I will not buy carrier branded one. Definately i'll go for international unlocked HOX I had many phones in time I do likes sony's but nowdays to buy a good sony device is expensive.
About battery life my current o2x lasts arround 2-3 hours of intensive use (Its 3 years old) So ill be happy with that battery
About wifi problem if someone can tell me which models does have it? And is it fixable ?

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I will not buy carrier branded one. Definately i'll go for international unlocked HOX I had many phones in time I do likes sony's but nowdays to buy a good sony device is expensive.
About battery life my current o2x lasts arround 2-3 hours of intensive use (Its 3 years old) So ill be happy with that battery
About wifi problem if someone can tell me which models does have it? And is it fixable ?
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Don't buy it, get a nexus 4 or 5..

I also planned to buy a HTC One X.....Same ambition bro....HAHA
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why?
Nexus 4 is not beautiful as One X and Nexus 5 is quite expensive than One X.
One X cost $1000 and Nexus 5 cost $1500 (My country price).I can buy half One X if bought Nexus 5...
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Nexus 4 is not beautiful as One X and Nexus 5 is quite expensive than One X.
One X cost $1000 and Nexus 5 cost $1500 (My country price).I can buy half One X if bought Nexus 5...

A one x will be always behind nexus devices in development or any other snapdragon devices. If you dont care about roms and kernels you willbe happy
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HTC's Sense interface is so unusual that you have to love it or hate it.
HOX itself is a good phone. As I've understood the WiFi issue is on earlier models. (for example none of the 16gb version should have it).
Battery is a disgrace. Mine only last around 2,5-3 hours screen on time (with AOSP rom). I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Ace some time ago and that ****ty phone could last for more than twice of my HOX.
Some early models did also have some screen tint problem. I think it was the glue between lcd and digitizer. This should also not happen on later models.
As i've understood HOX+ is not that much better (slightly better battery but not much).
But if the options are 4x and HOX then it's a no brainer.. Get the HOX. A friend of mine has the 4x (also Tegra 3) and if I compare the smoothness of stock roms than it seems like HOX is in another league. 4x just lags at everything (did some random test and HTC was a clear winner).
Are there any other phones you like at that price range in your country? (Nexus5 costs around 450$ where i live... and HOX still costs around 400$)

parkentosh said:
HTC's Sense interface is so unusual that you have to love it or hate it.
HOX itself is a good phone. As I've understood the WiFi issue is on earlier models. (for example none of the 16gb version should have it).
Battery is a disgrace. Mine only last around 2,5-3 hours screen on time (with AOSP rom). I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Ace some time ago and that ****ty phone could last for more than twice of my HOX.
Some early models did also have some screen tint problem. I think it was the glue between lcd and digitizer. This should also not happen on later models.
As i've understood HOX+ is not that much better (slightly better battery but not much).
But if the options are 4x and HOX then it's a no brainer.. Get the HOX. A friend of mine has the 4x (also Tegra 3) and if I compare the smoothness of stock roms than it seems like HOX is in another league. 4x just lags at everything (did some random test and HTC was a clear winner).
Are there any other phones you like at that price range in your country? (Nexus5 costs around 450$ where i live... and HOX still costs around 400$)
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In my country the prices between nexus 5 and Hox are not that much close... I saw a real 4x hd today in a shop the guy opened it for me and really it sux as i expected!
So nexus 4 optimus G and one x (I know many of you will say the nexus 4 ftw but the price difference....it is affordable for me but why do i pay extra for almost same phone... no sense)

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In my country the prices between nexus 5 and Hox are not that much close... I saw a real 4x hd today in a shop the guy opened it for me and really it sux as i expected!
So nexus 4 optimus G and one x (I know many of you will say the nexus 4 ftw but the price difference....it is affordable for me but why do i pay extra for almost same phone... no sense)
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All three phones are great but i I were to choose I'd got with the G.. It's got a better CPU, twice the RAM, Bigger battery and LTE...

I'd buy a nexus 4 too. Tegra 3 is less powerful than nexus's snapdragon, it gets hot quite easily and battery life is quite bad.
Moreover HOX probably already got it's last update.
I'm not saying that it is a bad smartphone, i personally love it, sense 5 is great, it has an amazing screen and i'm still happy of my choice, but when i see nexus's smoothness and it's updates i think that it would have been better to buy it, even if it isn't as good looking as my HOX.

tuncay_93 said:
Hello, I am coming from LG optimus 2x zone. After i brick my o2x (Dropped) I decided to buy a new phone.
I was looking for phones that are worth to buy.
The LG Optimus 4x HD and the HTC One X
What do you think is it worth buying a One X today ? (Since i don't want to buy LG phone again! Support and firmware updates on LG SUCK)
2. Is there something i should know about One X before buying (Other than that it is awesome) ( I had an HTC HD2 it had a hardware problem with touchscreen i ask for something like this) I read about many bugs (Screen WiFi etc etc..) But i don't want to believe what other people say about this phone i want to hear what users says
EDIT: I am thinking to buy this phone! even if there are a few bugs with it
In my opinion this phone is much better than any phone on the market today (Value for money) . This phone isn't just impressive specs written on white piece of papper It does have style it does have soul. Everytime i come accross it on any shop just screams BUY ME BUY ME PLZZ
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hey guy i was in EXACTLY the same situation as u. I came from the Tmobile G2x which was promised ICS but LG/NVIDIA/Tmobile didnt deliver.
I have bought the international version, I like it but it does have the wifi problem. I think its a great phone but if ur a guy that likes flashing stuff or needs alot of battery life i wouldnt recommend it. also, it seems like the same kind of situation might happen as what happened with the G2x, cause of tegra 3(from what i have read) its going to be hard to get 4.4 unless we get the official version first. Thus, i would stay clear. I think this kind of situation is negated from the new HTC one but in the s3/HOX/LGOG/N4 generation, the N4/S3 is definately the way to go.
hope this helps, I want peopel to learn from my mistakes
I need the latest software cause thats the geek i am but if ur content with what u have i think this is a great phone.

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hey guy i was in EXACTLY the same situation as u. I came from the Tmobile G2x which was promised ICS but LG/NVIDIA/Tmobile didnt deliver.
I have bought the international version, I like it but it does have the wifi problem. I think its a great phone but if ur a guy that likes flashing stuff or needs alot of battery life i wouldnt recommend it. also, it seems like the same kind of situation might happen as what happened with the G2x, cause of tegra 3(from what i have read) its going to be hard to get 4.4 unless we get the official version first. Thus, i would stay clear. I think this kind of situation is negated from the new HTC one but in the s3/HOX/LGOG/N4 generation, the N4/S3 is definately the way to go.
hope this helps, I want peopel to learn from my mistakes
I need the latest software cause thats the geek i am but if ur content with what u have i think this is a great phone.
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Ok to be honest i do flash stuff... but the point is if i pay for n4 then i would go for the optimus G if i pay and that i will add little more and i will buy n5
And the difference between the n5 and the G2 isn't that big either... wtf confusing situation i said and i will buy the hox. Here with the help of users and researches on the internet i have seen it's weak points so i won't be buying one with defect (i hope)

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Ok to be honest i do flash stuff... but the point is if i pay for n4 then i would go for the optimus G if i pay and that i will add little more and i will buy n5
And the difference between the n5 and the G2 isn't that big either... wtf confusing situation i said and i will buy the hox. Here with the help of users and researches on the internet i have seen it's weak points so i won't be buying one with defect (i hope)
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lg optimus g is limited in dev. I say if ur limited in budget find a nice used n4. if ur not get an n5. the differences is the LG counterpart usually are limited in dev. Also, I should say, i didnt have the wifi problem for a while until i first dropped it and from then on i got it.
The HOX is a great phone, if i give it to my family they would love it.... idk if its for the techie now tho.
the newer phones HTC ONE/S4/N5 are better in getting updates i think but then they are more expensive

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lg optimus g is limited in dev. I say if ur limited in budget find a nice used n4. if ur not get an n5. the differences is the LG counterpart usually are limited in dev. Also, I should say, i didnt have the wifi problem for a while until i first dropped it and from then on i got it.
The HOX is a great phone, if i give it to my family they would love it.... idk if its for the techie now tho.
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Don't care about wifi i guess 20-30$ on local shop should fix it but the point is that maybe even if i drop it wont be problem there...
Is it still great device

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Don't care about wifi i guess 20-30$ on local shop should fix it but the point is that maybe even if i drop it wont be problem there...
Is it still great device
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if it wasnt for this stupid wifi problem (Which there is a workaround but it requires opening up the phone. i havent gotten around to it yet) this is a great phone esp the price it is sold at. The one weakness i would say is battery. But again, if ur statisfied with maybe not getting 4.4+ then yeah definately get it

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if it wasnt for this stupid wifi problem (Which there is a workaround but it requires opening up the phone. i havent gotten around to it yet) this is a great phone esp the price it is sold at. The one weakness i would say is battery. But again, if ur statisfied with maybe not getting 4.4+ then yeah definately get it
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Yea i guess ill be ok with 4.2.2 since i am more multimedia guy i want it to have good camera, good display for internet and movies, and good sound out of earphones. And it does have all of that also it does match my budged:good::good: