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Nexus One envy...it's misplaced.

I've just come from Engadget where an announcement of Gingerbread has been leaked. This is forecast for Q4 2010 and the consensus is collective pity for anyone "saddled" with HTC's Sense UI or similar manufacturer skins.
But what is the pity about? Apparently our inability to update to the latest and greatest firmware instantly leave us at a disadvantage. We miss out.
On what?
So far I've seen these features that may be in 2.2:
USB tethering
Wifi hotspot
Enabling of FM radio
JIT processing for more speed
Install apps to SD
Flash 10.1
OK, a couple of those are big news..but we've had no details on Flash and so far from all the demos it seems to run on 2.1 just fine.
Many have already gotten apps to SD by whatever means, and others are yet to face it as an issue.
We could all use the extra speed, but the Desire is hardly slow.
I personally have no need for a portable hotspot as bluetooth tethering works fine for me...it's no big loss.
The rest of the additions HTC has already been including for quite a while now. Where is the equal envy of all the features people with Sense have been enjoying while stock Android users have gone without? It all seems rather childish to cling to numbers when in reality stock 2.1 has less features than 1.6 with Sense on top.
For the majority you're happy with your phone right now. An extra feature added elsewhere should not suddenly make you think your phone is rubbish if it still performs the same functions you were happy with yesterday.

Gingerbread is 2.3.
FroYo is 2.2 and comes with all the stuff you listed. It's due next week.

mcgon1979 said:
Gingerbread is 2.3.
FroYo is 2.2 and comes with all the stuff you listed. It's due next week.
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Yes...you're telling me this because?

Aitese said:
Yes...you're telling me this because?
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I think he is saying it because 2.2 FroYo should be coming to the Desire, which includes all the features you listed above so we don't miss out of anything. Maybe a slight delay while they work Sense UI into 2.2

Yes, I know this...but I was talking about the general sense that the delay is some sort of disadvantage...no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.

Aitese said:
Yes...you're telling me this because?
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sorry. your post was unclear. It seemed you were referring to Gingerbread as 2.2.
so I guess your just saying that your happy enough with 2.1 with sense and not having 2.2 is no big loss? Ok I understand.
I really don't think it will be too long before Desire gets 2.2 anyway. Not like the HERO update. I think this will happen faster due to the promise of 10.1 Flash etc. I agree with you though about your comparison of 1.6 with sense having more than 2.1 vanilla android. I have used the Nexus one and I found it very plain compared to the Desire. I think Android is an excellent OS, but it really is like a scaffolding. The Sense widgets and UI make the experience in my opinion.

Aitese said:
Yes, I know this...but I was talking about the general sense that the delay is some sort of disadvantage...no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.
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Fair point, i would personally hate not having Sense in exchange for being able to upgrade firmware a few days/week early.

Marvinfin said:
Fair point, i would personally hate not having Sense in exchange for being able to upgrade firmware a few days/week early.
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But that is exactly the sort of attitude I'm questioning. You'd rather you didn't have Sense now (so in other words you would rather have not had the features Sense gave you) so that you could have those same features tomorrow? Despite the fact you;d been enjoying said features for weeks before?

Not what i'm saying, i said i would "hate not having sense" instead of being unable to upgrade a few days quicker. I don't mind having to wait, never said i did. But if it came down to never being able to upgrade firmware or keeping Sense, i would almost defiantly prefer a up-to-date and newer firmware which like you said might include feature we already had plus likely to include even more features and additions.

Ah yes...I misread.
Also, I wonder where this belief that the 2.2 update will hit phones next week comes from. The history of Android has shown the SDK is released first for devs and manufactures WELL before the OS ever hits a handset.

Aitese said:
no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.
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That's because the Nexus One can quite easily gain pretty much all of the features we have by flashing a Desire ROM.
There is only one real reason for Nexus One envy, and that is its unlocked bootloader.
Regards,
Dave

I tried using a couple of different launchers recently, and I just couldn't live without the sense widgets. They're cool.
My only issue with sense is the dock at the bottom of the screen. Could be a lot more functional and less ugly... I really like the one in LauncherPro.
That said, if a 2.2 update is not forthcoming in a timely fashion I'll be ditching sense and flashing a custom rom.

foxmeister said:
That's because the Nexus One can quite easily gain pretty much all of the features we have by flashing a Desire ROM.
There is only one real reason for Nexus One envy, and that is its unlocked bootloader.
Regards,
Dave
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And which Nexus One features have we not been able to get by similar means? I have voice search, we've striped out the 3D gallery and had a hacked Navigation app well before Google turned on the UK servers. Hence my belief the moaning about HTC is misplaced.

I just recently returned the Nexus One because -
1 - Didn't like the stock Android UI.
2 - The tactile buttons were not as great as having the hard buttons on the Desire.
3 - Sense UI IMHO is a lot better then having to flash ROMs.
4 - Bluetooth is a must for me.
5 - Immediately had some reboot problems out-of-the-box
If it came down to up-to-date software (FroYo 2.2) over Sense UI...I would chose Sense, but everyone has their preference.

Aitese said:
And which Nexus One features have we not been able to get by similar means?
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As I said in my post, the unlocked bootloader! It is the only one that matters.
Regards,
Dave

For every man that uses the Desire ROM on his Nexus One, the nexus one users give in that the Desire is a superior overall experience (due to sense.)
IMHO.

Just by the way, has HTC ever released an updated official ROM with a new version of Android for any of its handsets?

for me, the nexus one is still superior to the desire.
only the ability to unlock the bootloader on the nexus beats all the advantages of the desire ( if it has any).
Seriously, i believe sense is a more polished UI but some are so useless. Examples are the messages and mail widgets. who actually reads sms and mails by swyping to the screens for the corresponding widgets . or do you actually click on the respective icon on the homescreen.
The extra ram on the desire shouldnt be taken into consideration as the bloated sense accounts for that.
For some of you who say that custom 2.2 will be there for desire before htc. well i kinda agree but i am also sure that most of them would be full of bugs. having the kernel source doesnt necessarily mean that porting the froyo would be a piece of cake!
and that too only if a stable root is achieved. Cause if things stays like how it is, i am sure that most of us will end up with the USB/SD..... brick problem. This is just a question of time.

Just by the way, has HTC ever released an updated official ROM with a new version of Android for any of its handsets?
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Yes.
The G1 and the Magic got upgrades to 1. 6, and the Droid Eris and Sprint Hero upgrades to 2. 1 (with the GSM Hero coming June).
Regards,
Dave

What's the use of this unlocked bootloader for most / average users?
Why is it a big deal for you?
About 2.2, I like the ability to run apps from SD Card ... Flash 10.1 is a nice bonus if the hardware acceleration works.
foxmeister said:
As I said in my post, the unlocked bootloader! It is the only one that matters.
Regards,
Dave
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Android 3.0

Hi guys, any news android 3 update and what features it brings for us.
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Darkzen15 said:
Hi guys, any news android 3 update and what features it brings for us.
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All I can say is

Darkzen15 said:
Hi guys, any news android 3 update and what features it brings for us.
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[Flame mode]
Yes, it works great on my HTC Touch Diamond!
I will send a link for the OTA update to your Desire in a few seconds...
Please wait for it and don't respond to this thread in the mean time...
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This question pops up every few days and the answer is always the same:
You can depend on it that any news on new Android versions will be posted here as soon as it's available!
If you want to ask a question, do it in the right thread and please use the usual format for new threads.
Link:
[Q] Any news on new Android versions?
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[Question] Any news on Android 3.0 release dates?
(Notice the question mark!)
Thank you!

You can find out everything from here

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There was a rumour that it was due out next month, but the dev's got sidetracked when they inadvertently found an entrance to Narnia

I've heard Google are incorporating a Mind Search for our gingerbreadz, along with a ray gun and a Wally finder.
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I heard it has an instant lolcat app!
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Trying the serious take:
It is said [read: rumoured], that Android 3.0 will mostly be about the interface. But one problem is that if you have HTC Sense, it'll be unlikely you will see this native 3.0 interface on your phone. But it should at least bring a lot of new stuff to your Desire. - Of course, it's possible to stop Sense from running, but you won't get exactly what I'm talking about this way.
The jump from a number like 2.1 or 2.2 to 3.0 is a rather big one, so I'm expecting a lot from it.
Also, anyone know of an official confirmation that 'gingerbread' is actually 3.0? Since there are rumours going about saying the next update would be called 'honeycomb'. It'd be too early to know anything about another version of Android if you ask me.
My biggest wish is just that this new interface thing they're working on will add the right amount of polish. That's one little thing I miss of Android, the consistency of applications and stuff - everything is different and there are no apps which share the same smoothness between eachother, but that's also due to how easily people can put something in the Android Market.
I know, if I want consistency and smoothness and the best looking interfaces, I should go for an iPhone. That's my own opinion by the way. It's just that I really like Android phones and the operating system, but dislike how everything looks so different from eachother. (unlike on the iPhone)
Please, Android 3.0, make the wait worthwhile..

Turns out 'Jaffacake' has been leaked and will be in a CM6 nightly soon ;D
http://twitgoo.com/1j4zyx
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prodygee said:
Trying the serious take:
It is said [read: rumoured], that Android 3.0 will mostly be about the interface. But one problem is that if you have HTC Sense, it'll be unlikely you will see this native 3.0 interface on your phone. But it should at least bring a lot of new stuff to your Desire. - Of course, it's possible to stop Sense from running, but you won't get exactly what I'm talking about this way.
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Who said that the desire will get 3.0 in the first place ????

Desire sure not first,but when Nexus will started next will be Desire

lolzzz... really funny replies here does brings smile after hard day's work

SkyWalker1726 said:
Who said that the desire will get 3.0 in the first place ????
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hensk said:
Desire sure not first,but when Nexus will started next will be Desire
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Yep, as we've seen from the Froyo roms, as soon as Android 3.0 hits the Nexus there will be ports and when it hits the AOSP it'll be compiled for the Desire. It may not ever be officially released for the Desire by HTC, but we'll get it somehow.

From what I read at Phandroid, Android 3.0 (honeycomb or gingerbread or gingercomb or honeybread etc.) might never make it to the Nexus One or the Desire. Reason being it shall be catered to high end smart phones like the Evo and Droid X.
Plus the revamp of the UI and the need for a bigger display, most likely it won't make it to the Desire. There's also a rumor going around that the Android 3.0 shall have no other UI layered on top so no HTC Sense or Motoblur.
Well it's all still rumors. Let's just wait for Christmas okay?
P.S: I think Winnie the Pooh might love Android 3.0.

scaryzid said:
From what I read at Phandroid, Android 3.0 (honeycomb or gingerbread or gingercomb or honeybread etc.) might never make it to the Nexus One or the Desire. Reason being it shall be catered to high end smart phones like the Evo and Droid X.
Plus the revamp of the UI and the need for a bigger display, most likely it won't make it to the Desire. There's also a rumor going around that the Android 3.0 shall have no other UI layered on top so no HTC Sense or Motoblur.
Well it's all still rumors. Let's just wait for Christmas okay?
P.S: I think Winnie the Pooh might love Android 3.0.
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And you don't consider a Desire "high end"? Droid X and Evo might have a bigger screen but the resolution is the same as the Desire. The Evo, besides the bigger screen and 4G, isn't more powerful or "high end"-er than the Desire...

scaryzid said:
From what I read at Phandroid, Android 3.0 (honeycomb or gingerbread or gingercomb or honeybread etc.) might never make it to the Nexus One or the Desire. Reason being it shall be catered to high end smart phones like the Evo and Droid X.
Plus the revamp of the UI and the need for a bigger display, most likely it won't make it to the Desire. There's also a rumor going around that the Android 3.0 shall have no other UI layered on top so no HTC Sense or Motoblur.
Well it's all still rumors. Let's just wait for Christmas okay?
P.S: I think Winnie the Pooh might love Android 3.0.
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Erm, Evo, Droid X and desire/n1 are essentially the same hardware underneath I mean 1ghz cpu, 512 ram ..

unrealnet said:
Erm, Evo, Droid X and desire/n1 are essentially the same hardware underneath I mean 1ghz cpu, 512 ram ..
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The Desire has slightly more RAM

scaryzid said:
From what I read at Phandroid, Android 3.0 (honeycomb or gingerbread or gingercomb or honeybread etc.) might never make it to the Nexus One or the Desire. Reason being it shall be catered to high end smart phones like the Evo and Droid X.
Plus the revamp of the UI and the need for a bigger display, most likely it won't make it to the Desire. There's also a rumor going around that the Android 3.0 shall have no other UI layered on top so no HTC Sense or Motoblur.
Well it's all still rumors. Let's just wait for Christmas okay?
P.S: I think Winnie the Pooh might love Android 3.0.
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The Desire fits nicely above the required hardware specifications
Well who knows if they're 100% accurate... Still the Desires probably one of the best Android phones out there so it'll be possible they wouldn't make it so much more needed than what exists now.

[Q] Android 4.0

Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom

should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
without the source it looks for me that it won't be possible to boot the emulator image on our hero, because it is compiled for armeabi-v7a (snapdragon cpu) only.

thank you for your post
booooo sounds like time for an upgrade

a1Pha said:
should be possible after the release of the source code (maybe next month?).
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I think source code was already released
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html

That's different. SDK is not kernel source. That's why most honeycomb Ports aren't complete. No source was released.
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Loxxy said:
Any chance of a tasty Ice Cream Sandwich please for the Hero ?
thanks to elelinux for a great rom
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Maybe someone can get it to run. but I don't get my hopes up if I where you. if you look at 2.3 how that runs on the hero comparing to 2.2 and mostly 2.1. And 4.0 even more stuffed then I guess not

touch wood, 2.3.7 is working well for me on my Hero (dont really to upgrade just to get Android 4.0)
But keeping an eye on some HTC Desires on ebay nonetheless

Lirasina said:
Maybe someone can get it to run.
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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.

I hope for a Vanilla 4.0, with no heavy CM mods

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it probably will run. just wait for the source to be released.
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I thinks so too.
I remember when on this forum we were discussing about porting Froyo 2.2. on the Hero...lol...

Its not long since the GB rom's were considered too fat for the hero. Look at us now..... mines has never been so quick.
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I completely agree with Prof Peach. GB was slow on first releases and now it flies so maybe it's hope for 4.0 too when the sources come out and them maybe it will boot on our Hero after the devs cast their magic.

yea, but don't forget the one and only honeycomb rom for gsm hero which JieeHD (I think) created from the sdk...
YES it was from sdk and so it was a miracle it ran at all, but it was SO slow that you couldn't even try the UI features of the rom. No the hardware didn't work at all, no data, wifi, etc, and that is all because it came from the sdk. That wasn't the purpose of the sdk build. It was just to play with the honeycomb UI, but even then the UI should have run alright if it was ever going to run on the hero.
However that rom (which I still have kicking around somewhere) showed me just how honeycomb was clearly made to run on much more powerful hardware than even gingerbread requires.
So I personally will be very surprised if it works well enough for daily use.
But then I'm running a gingerbread rom that is fast enough for daily use and perfectly stable... and I bet against that every happening back in teh day LoL.
I've been wrong before, and I hope you guys can prove me wrong again. I'm always happy to be wrong when I'm being pessimistic!

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To upgrade or not to upgrade?​ This is the big question for the android community!!!!
It will run on the hero, but since phones are getting bigger, i think it's gonna be kind of weird to run 4.0... We will have to see it ported firts
As far from what i see and what the google guys reported...every phone that can run GB can run ICS... so that means that there can't be a big problem to run the os, and since the nexus S will receive the update, that means that there is a way to disable the on screen buttons...
For the moment we stick with what we have !!! And we have to THANKS the devs that keep this phone alive. As for the part with upgrading to a new phone, i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core) or buy phones like nexus S that now are on slim prices
PS: since i got my tablet, i'm not so much into getting a new phone
Stefan

yea, tablets are awesome. Same here - I've used many android tablets and my employer supplies apple devices for my dev work at one company.
Tablets are awesome if you truly embrace them and buy whatever options you need to use them as virtual laptops effectively.

Agree with dkelley...if you have places where you can use them, it's better to have one...i use mine all the time, from movies and finishing with reading stuff.
I have to admin i was thinking on to buy a desire Hd / Nexus S...but not so shure
Stefan

yeah i love my Hero to bits, cost me £50 with Android 1.6 pre installed on it from some guy at work lol.
Whilst i can appreciate its an old handset etc etc, its running gingerbread like a dream, so would love to see the 'consolidated' release of 4.0 on there, i feel google will have dropped a legacy beat if only snapdragon cpus are supported.
admins feel free to move this to the Q&A sub-forum if required

stefpaul said:
i think we have to wait for the next gen of processors (quad core)
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This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...

yukinok25 said:
This is why I didn't upgrade my phone yet!
I would like to get a beast with 1200x800 display resolution, android 4.0 with the new Quad-Core CPU...
Basically, almost a gaming machine...
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For me the Hero is a phone. and nothing more. It is a little smarter phone then my moms. She can text and call. I can do that and I can also send mail check agenda and navigate some. That is what I use my phone for. If I need more then I will use my laptop anyway. So the Hero with some easy rom is fine for me.
Android 4.0 will bring problems and stuff that I will never use anyway. If you look at most devs on the Hero forum. They are good porters and breakers of things. I am the last one, a breaker XD There are still a half hand full of devs for the Hero.
I think the CDMA will have 4.0 sooner then the Hero. But that is just my oppinion. If they ever get it...

And is there an upgrade for sgs2?
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HTC Sense 4.0 on Galaxy Nexus?

I know I'm probably going to get shot down but hear me out at least.
Before HTC announced Sense 4.0, I wasn't a massive fan of the sense experience - so much that I was runny vanilla android on my HTC Desire.
However, with the announcement of Sense 4.0 my opinions changed. I didn't think it would be possible to get it on non HTC devices due to how much sense is built into the OS and hardware, but I noticed that someone has successfully managed to port the HTC Endeavour RUU to their Nexus S albeit with not much working. We do however have a newer device, with a 720p screen which the HTC Endeavour RUU uses.
Don't get my wrong I love ICS, but there's something about the new sense incorporated with it.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't know where to begin to do the said work, but I was just wondering how many people feel the same.
What are the chances of a dev taking up the project, I would be more than happy to donate.

Not going to happen.
HTC uses different chipsets than Samsung.
Sense hasn't been run on TI processors, mostly Snapdragons and according to the HTC Endeavor specs, now Tegra 3 is thrown into that mix.
It makes it impossible to port it over to have a fully functioning port with everything working. You may be able to get it to boot, but not too much else.

Makes sense, however if that's the case, why is there is pretty much a working build of Sense 2.1 on the Nexus S?
It must be possible, but I reckon it would take a lot of work.
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Thread reported. The search button does function quite well. We have had numerous Sense porting threads that you could have found. Good luck!
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Please help me make a decision

Hello, I am a Sensation XL user and I have the opportunity to switch to a GNex(trade). The reason I would switch to Nexus is the SA HD screen, dual core a9cortex, better gpu, really good looking and working OS. I am currently worried about the lifespan of my SXL since it packs a single core snapdragon and a poor WVGA resolution.
The reason I wouldn't switch is a few sense goodies such as swiping to text, smartdialing, facebook integration, editing media etc. along with losing my iBeats earphones and a really good looking design.
I kept telling myself I do not want the trade but the small resolution, ugly looking fonts and icons and periodical Sense lag keeps haunting me. I don't like rooting, I like having things as stock as possible.
Please help me decide I'm very unsure what to do!

people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?

zerozoneice said:
people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?
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I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.

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I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.
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Then I would go with the galaxy nexus if I were you. It basically has everything you are looking for. And if you decide to learn to root/unlock boot loaders and what not, the nexus is the easiest to learn with (my opinion) . I think if you go with the galaxy nexus , its a win-win. Good luck
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