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[Benchmark] 3D/OpenGL performance across ROMs - 1st batch (old)

NB! This tests are old! For newer results please follow the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700755
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Hello all,
Since there are so many flavours of ROMs around, I decided to do a little test with some of them (in my opinion, the more popular ones).
For the test I used the following ROMs:
2.1 Eclair
BeHero 1.3.2
Legendary 1.3.5
aHero 0.6.1
aHero 0.7.1
aHero 0.8
Villain 4.0 beta 2
Villain 5.02
Villain 5.1
Villain 5.2
Villain 5.3
Villain 5.4
CyanogenMod for Hero 1.0
Defiance 2.1
Androbin 1.1110
Legendroid 1.0.1
NeoRom 2.1
Raidroid 1.1
SlideVillain 1.0.1 beta
VanillaEclair 1.3 NAS
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1.5 Cupcake
Kimera 1.7 @ 768MHz
Also the following for benchmarking:
For 3D Performance
Qualcomm's "NeoCore" 1.9.18 - Measured in FPS
For 2D Performance
Softweg's "Benchmark" 1.03 - Measured by an internal score
For CPU Performance
Linpack for Android - Measured in MFLOPS
All the tests mean: The higher, the better.
The method of testing was the usual flashing, a couple of reboots to make sure every caching necessary was done and the average of 3 benchmark of each test.
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Here are the results from this first batch of ROM's:
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Don't forget that benchmarks for newer ROM's can be followed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700755
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Also remember that this tests are solely to measure the 2D/3D performance of a ROM, what in no way can be used to measure if a ROM is better or worse then another. It's only for games and overall "snappiness".
Bye

Hey. Thanks for the comparisons. This is very useful.
I have always said that BeHero was the best 2.1 ROM. It is very quick.
Villian was always the slowest for me but had more 'fixes' and features (just as google voice search).
I am currently running Legendary 1.3.5 (the 'upgrade' to BeHero...), which is as good as its predecessor.
Rep +1

jUsT2eXy said:
I am currently running Legendary 1.3.5 (the 'upgrade' to BeHero...), which is as good as its predecessor.
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According to the post you replied to, it is not as good as its predecessor when it comes to OpenGL performance - I would say it comes at an overall third place in that list.
That said, I wonder whether this should be taken as a measure for performance of a ROM.
Does OpenGL affect performance of the entire device? Or just, as I suspect, those processes which can make use of it - some games perhaps?

naenee said:
According to the post you replied to, it is not as good as its predecessor when it comes to OpenGL performance - I would say it comes at an overall third place in that list.
That said, I wonder whether this should be taken as a measure for performance of a ROM.
Does OpenGL affect performance of the entire device? Or just, as I suspect, those processes which can make use of it - some games perhaps?
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Hi. Yeah I did read the post I replied to and saw that Legendary came 3rd. But in fact, well in my opinion it is a better performer than its predecessor contrary to the benchmark statistics above.
To me, it feels snappier. Though the stats. say differently.
Just like a car might feel faster than the car you previously drove, but in fact it is not... if that makes sense lol...

where can i download Legendary 1.3.5 ?? i recently flashed my Hero but I do not know which ROM to use for the best.. all I want is a smooth, not sticky ROM which will enable me to use my phone without it freezing... I just dont know where to get the ROM's or which one to go for,,,, can someone PLEASE help me..... thanks

Just tested vanillain rom hybrid 1.0 (fresh install)
NeoCore without sound: 29 fps
Neocore with sound: 25 fps

Ian_4614 said:
where can i download Legendary 1.3.5 ?? i recently flashed my Hero but I do not know which ROM to use for the best.. all I want is a smooth, not sticky ROM which will enable me to use my phone without it freezing... I just dont know where to get the ROM's or which one to go for,,,, can someone PLEASE help me..... thanks
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google is your friend.
Here is the direct link
Here is the google link. It is much easier to google it than wait for a reply...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Le...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

thanks good thread up

Added CyanogenMod for Hero v1.0

i am really sorry to sound like such a noob,, but what does that mean ?????

Ian_4614 said:
i am really sorry to sound like such a noob,, but what does that mean ?????
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Hello,
I'm doing this tests for my own pleasure since I like measuring performance and I saw a good opportunity here and for the moment I have some spare time
Anyway, this tests compare the 2D/3D performance across the different ROMs available for the users in this forums. For some people this might be important, like for me, since I have quite a few games in my Hero. Also it's important for people that cannot stand "lagginess" or "sluggishness" (I don't have a clue how to spell that...) in your home screen and/or browsing the ROM

Added Androbin 1.1110 & Defiance 2.1

Villain 3.4
NeoCore (with sound): 24.6
NeoCore (without sound): 29.9
Softweg (GPU test): 120

Favour
Could you do me a favour and chuck in a 1.5 ROM just for a sense of comparison, such as mr.bang performance rom. Just want to see how much of a 'gain' we get in terms of visuals from the switch to 2.1 if any at all, thanks

You should add Kagu Droid with JIT to the test.

Arkymedes said:
Added Androbin 1.1110 & Defiance 2.1
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Could you pls add Villain 5.1 pls?

Hi,
I'm trying to add the most number of ROMs possible and about the cupcake version, it's not possible since NeoCore doesn't run
But yes, I would love to check the performance between them.

Re: [Benchmark] 3D/OpenGL performance across ROMs
Ahh thats a shame. In that case could legendroid be uploaded please, i can a few tests and i think it could beat behero!
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bratfink said:
Could you do me a favour and chuck in a 1.5 ROM just for a sense of comparison, such as mr.bang performance rom. Just want to see how much of a 'gain' we get in terms of visuals from the switch to 2.1 if any at all, thanks
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Mr Bang concept 2.0 gets 29FPS without sound.

Arkymedes said:
Hello,
I'm doing this tests for my own pleasure since I like measuring performance and I saw a good opportunity here and for the moment I have some spare time
Anyway, this tests compare the 2D/3D performance across the different ROMs available for the users in this forums. For some people this might be important, like for me, since I have quite a few games in my Hero. Also it's important for people that cannot stand "lagginess" or "sluggishness" (I don't have a clue how to spell that...) in your home screen and/or browsing the ROM
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Are you sure OpenGL is used outside of apps/games specifically written to make use of it?

[Q] Windows 7 on HTC Evo?

I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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First, before you get hammered, this question belongs in Q&A, not the development section.
It sounds interesting and would be cool to see it happen but I don't think it would be easy. Each driver would have to be ported to the phone and such.
Possible but unlikely but who knows? There as some amazing devs out there.

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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Why do you feel this question belongs in this forum? And like ricsim said, possible but unlikely. Take a lot of work to do such a thing, and the devs seem pretty busy lately, trying to port something like that would post pone their current work.

Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

[email protected] said:
Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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This made me LOL. WRONG FORUM YOU FOO'!

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you again! lol

Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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it's kool bro lol

This might not be too bad of an idea. Have any of you nay-sayers actually used a WP7 device? I would bet no. It's not a phone that could replace my EVO, but the interface is kinda cool. It would be neat to dual boot WP7 - just because. It saves you from having to buy an expensive WP7 to use it infrequently. I think it's a cool idea, but I don't think there is support for it.

I would also love to see this idea come around, more as another ROM for our phones than anything else, just because I would like to try the interface and I like the idea of having Xbox LIVE on my phone, as well as having a choice of OS's, like Sense and AOSP. Maybe someone out there would like to contribute some time to this?

Windows 7, no. The NT kernel is x86/x64.
Windows Phone 7, technically it meets the requirements, but that's what the HD7 and other WP7 phones are for.

Windows Phone 7, of course. The title of this thread is a little off (Sorry OP). And yes, while we could all certainly go buy Windows Phone 7 devices, why would we do so if our EVOs that we already have are more than capable of handling it?

In terms of specs, the Evo meets the requirement. But there is no other way right now to flash a different OS on the Evo like there was in the case of the HD2 booting Android. There is a tablet coming out or is already out that can dual boot Android and WindowsCE6. So we might be able to find something from that if anything comes out of it. But it wouldn't do any good right now even if WP7 was running on the Evo, you need the genuine Windows phone services, which the HD2 doesn't have since it's not a certified Windows 7 phone.

You can flash Ubuntu to the EVO, I would define that as a different OS.

Ubuntu is also a unix based linux OS like Android. Windows 7 Phone isn't. You're not really flashing Ubuntu on there either, you're really just loading it onto the SD card like you would for Android on the HD2. There were and are tools available for WinMo 6.5 to boot linux on that device and other WinMo devices, but nothing like that for Android devices to boot up CE kernels and OS.

Simple answer:
Not going to happen.
Why?
Android is open. The devs can modify the source to tailor it to a device. Windows Mobile and iOS are not.[/thread]

There won't ever be a worthwhile WP7 port unless you can remove the stick from M$'s butt, because as Team DFT put it "Microsoft's Genuine Software check will basically disable all cloud based services like Zune, Marketplace and Xbox Live if the system can't pull a valid key from the handset's motherboard."
Which means, if your device wasn't pre-loaded with WP7, WP7 won't work on your device. Now they have ported it to other phones, and run it, calls, ect. They just can't access the materials that make WP7 what it is.
So you will need to expect to buy and install a mod chip in your Evo to trick a future WP7 port into thinking your phone is a WP7 phone, or you will need to accept the fact that no phone other than a WP7 phone will be able to fully utilize the software.

[Q][DEV] port iOS 4.1 to a DESIRE

Hello XDA forum,
this night "I HAVE A DREAM" ^^, iOS was port to a desire lol.
i just want to know if it's possible, because we can port android to an iphone, but an iOS to a desire is it possible ??
THX for yours answers.

IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Or maybe...??? You should simply post the iOS source code in here. There will be some dev's to create a rom!

Buy an iPhone if you want iOS
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Or flash miui ROM
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Sow said:
Hello XDA forum,
this night "I HAVE A DREAM" ^^, iOS was port to a desire lol.
i just want to know if it's possible, because we can port android to an iphone, but an iOS to a desire is it possible ??
THX for yours answers.
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i wish noobs would stop adding (dev) to uslesss threads thinking that it will add more kudos. 1) we have no source code nor ever will 2) we have no ios licence, and unless you buy one one, its piracy 3) iphones use omap cpu's where as we have an arm v7 cpu, so we haven even got compatible hardware FAIL

Maby try using MIUI ROMs ?

mattiadj said:
Or flash miui ROM
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You are fastest =]

how comes that people that should hate I**** phones want an iphone port?
this is the most stupid thing I've ever seen :facepalm:

Those are people who aint got enough money for iphone but want one. U guys have no real love for Android

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.........LMAO

typhex said:
Those are people who aint got enough money for iphone but want one. U guys have no real love for Android
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an iphone 2G, 3G And 3GS cost less than a desire so be quiet

I think Android is better than anyone ios. So it's stupid to port ios in my HTC desire.
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i lol'ed a lot at this thread~~ u want to show off ur desire with an iOS running? Apple would have been proud of you, since u really2 want its iOS on the phone even not using iphone.

AndroHero said:
an iphone 2G, 3G And 3GS cost less than a desire so be quiet
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Sorry! Not here where I live.
I got my brand new Vodafone Desire for €350 while 3GS is still above €500 without contract.
Porting iOS to Desire is however stupid.

PLEASE! We need someone to port mac os x Leopard on the desire. then it will be the turn of windows 7 of course !!!..................

I've already got Windows 7 Ultimate on my Desire with the unlocked 2GB RAM and External USB hard drive extension...

AndroHero said:
i wish noobs would stop adding (dev) to uslesss threads thinking that it will add more kudos. 1) we have no source code nor ever will 2) we have no ios licence, and unless you buy one one, its piracy 3) iphones use omap cpu's where as we have an arm v7 cpu, so we haven even got compatible hardware FAIL
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@OP: Flash MIUI and stop this nonsense.
Get an iPhone. Or just flash MIUI, so much better. (I have an iPod Touch 4G to fap on when it comes to smooth interfaces. But I love my Desire. Even more if it'd stop rebooting randomly when it heats up.)

Sow said:
Hello XDA forum,
this night "I HAVE A DREAM" ^^, iOS was port to a desire lol.
i just want to know if it's possible, because we can port android to an iphone, but an iOS to a desire is it possible ??
THX for yours answers.
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what is iOS,and what is iphone???
is that some kind of food??

EddyOS said:
I've already got Windows 7 Ultimate on my Desire with the unlocked 2GB RAM and External USB hard drive extension...
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my alienware desire is better with its dual nvida graphics cards lol

Samsung Galaxy S3 may become custom Linux instead of Android?

It has been said we might run a custom linux version instead of google android! This is what I saw this morning on my flipboard news. What do you think?
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After seeing this, it got me curious to what "Tizen", now if you guys already knew about it, please don't pick on me, but this is what I found on one of the developers test tizen phones. Kinda interesting..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ios0Fjq3oDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Galaxy S3.

If this does go big, the whole Ubuntu OS will (in my opinion) definitely be shot out of the water
It also seems like a lot of companies have woken up and realized that the smartphone market is gonna be going places and they want in on it

CNexus said:
If this does go big, the whole Ubuntu OS will (in my opinion) definitely be shot out of the water
It also seems like a lot of companies have woken up and realized that the smartphone market is gonna be going places and they want in on it
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Well, Ubuntu seems to be much farther along than Tizen, although it does have the backing of Samsung and Intel and all of those guys

Lolanerd said:
Well, Ubuntu seems to be much farther along than Tizen, although it does have the backing of Samsung and Intel and all of those guys
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Yeah, but thats my point, all the big.guys are supporting this one and not Ubuntu, regardless of which is more ready

I hope not it looks old And outdated
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budde2 said:
I hope not it looks old And outdated
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Well those are probably just the early stages

Lolanerd said:
Well those are probably just the early stages
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It is. If you watched the video he says its just a test phone they hand to devs to mess with.
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Not for the GS3, but it'll be interesting to see future devices with Tizen.

It looks like my first gen moto razr but touch and faster.
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Is it too smart to point out android is linux

It will be available for the s3, but "instead" it won't ever be forced on us. They wouldn't change os's on a phone like that.
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Pretty cool!
2 questions ... I wonder if the first custom ROM be named Mike ...... so Mike Tizen?
2nd was I the only person watching the video waiting for the guy to yell .. "run to da chappahhhhh" ??

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Is it too smart to point out android is linux
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Android uses Linux for the kernels, the rest is something else I believe. This thread is talking about full Linux.

As good as this sounds, and/or Ubuntu or open WebOS, it's not all about the OS.
If other handset manu's don't "buy into the idea", then you have a single company with limited apps and limited support and no real infrastructure.
Apps are a huge deciding point when it comes to what people buy.
Phone A with android and a million apps? (apps = designed specifically for phone)
Phone B with ios and a million apps?
Phone C with ubuntu and 100 apps?
Phone D with tizen and 100 apps?
Phone E with Win Phone 8 and 20k apps?
Without the infrastructure and apps people won't come to it. Without people, developers have no desire to create apps and infrastructure. Catch 22.

Lolanerd said:
Android uses Linux for the kernels, the rest is something else I believe. This thread is talking about full Linux.
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Linux is the kernel. That's it. There is no "full Linux" as you put it. What you may be thinking of is GNU/Linux, which is the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace overlaid on top of it. That's what almost all Linux-based desktop operating systems (like Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Slackware, Arch, etc.) use.

EndlessDissent said:
Linux is the kernel. That's it. There is no "full Linux" as you put it. What you may be thinking of is GNU/Linux, which is the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace overlaid on top of it. That's what almost all Linux-based desktop operating systems (like Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Slackware, Arch, etc.) use.
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Yeah I was referring to the way Linux is on desktops, sorry about that. Thanks for correcting me.

The more options, the better. A duopoly isn't ideal for the consumer. Android is great and all, but more choices never hurt.

dual boot windows 8.1 on zenfone 2!!

With 4gb ram and relatively powerfu intel lZ3580 64bit processor it looks like Asus zenfone can run windows 8.1
Anyone knows how to do that?

There are other threads discussing this, but theoretically we should be able to. I prefer going the chroot/wine route but the processor dies support vmx, so we could try chroot/qemu-kvm for full pc emulation.
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yusoffb01 said:
With 4gb ram and relatively powerfu intel lZ3580 64bit processor it looks like Asus zenfone can run windows 8.1
Anyone knows how to do that?
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Just because it has an intel processor doesnt' mean it can run windows. BIOS isn't same, doubt that 8.1 has the proper graphics driver, boot process isn't styled like a PC, etc. In short, I wouldn't hold your breath.

mrcpu said:
Just because it has an intel processor doesnt' mean it can run windows. BIOS isn't same, doubt that 8.1 has the proper graphics driver, boot process isn't styled like a PC, etc. In short, I wouldn't hold your breath.
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MrCpu You are right, it pob has a better chance running Ubuntu. Man it would fly too.
Why doesn't ubuntu go mobile .?.
Please dont be too harsh in reply, I dont know why but it just flashed in my head as lightning fast on a device like this.

If you are rooted, you can install chroot apps from the play store like linux deploy & XServer-XSDL is a really good Android X server, so you can install an Ubuntu distro really easily.

Tikiflame said:
MrCpu You are right, it pob has a better chance running Ubuntu. Man it would fly too.
Why doesn't ubuntu go mobile .?.
Please dont be too harsh in reply, I dont know why but it just flashed in my head as lightning fast on a device like this.
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Well, there is ubuntu touch, but the phones (2 of them) that havr it as stock rom a prettu expensive for what they are, and saddly, it is more an android forking that a real concurential os.... and the power is no use, and non existing.. linux enthusiast's dream disepeared...
long live linux mint ^^

It would an interesting novelty to see a desktop Linux distro or Windows 8.1 running natively on the Zenfone, but would be of no actual use. Windows is just about OK on an 8" tablet, but even that is a bit cramped. I've had windows running on my ASUS memo pad 7 (not really running on it, but using the display via Splashtop) and that was too small. On 5.5" screen it would be unusable.

I did some thought experiments on this and then i promptly decided to do a real experiment and after many tries and different methods i got the state below. so i would say its very hard and dangerous and requires you to know the grub command line but its not impossible.
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This is an Acer Iconia One 7 B1-750 Tablet. It uses InsydeH2O UEFI Bios.
P.S Bootloader is locked. USB OTG Keyboard and mouse got disconnected when the setup booted up and digitizer also didn't work but baby steps right?