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Running Windows Mobile on iPhone...it needs to be done!!!

so i was looking at the many iphone knock offs and personally i am not impressed with the hardware, but as i am a pc and not a mac i will never ever use the Mac OSX operating system without an overwhelming feeling of shame as though i have just cheated on my wife; not that i have and would know what that feels like but you get my drift.
my point is gentlemen that we need to collect our talents and intelligence and move toward a break through in modding. I am currently running SNN Lite Edition and am very pleased with it. Upon exploring the OS, i realized that there exist the possibility to expand upon this work and take it to new heights.
to begin with as i said earlier i am running WM6.1 SNN Lite edition, 3rd party apps include SPB Mobile Shell II, Wisbar Advance 3, Advance Config, Network Wizard, Resco Explorer and Photo Viewer, among others. The only 2 of the apps that i mention that have anything to do with what we are and will be discussing are WisBar Advance 3 and SPC MS II.
take a look at the following screen shots, photoshoped so dnt ask me for the ROM i haven't created it...heck i wouldn't even know where to start;
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i mean all we're really talking about here is a mobile version of bootcamp or something to the effect of creating partitions on the iphone hard-drive and then booting into the windows mobile and delete the iphone rom or better yet since one would have to spend so much on buying the device then one could have both OS's running...choosing to booting into one or the other.
But again i wuldnt know where to start so if any of you genii could figure out how to do this then i can assure you, you would go down in modding history.

jus for the hell of it, someone in Development and Hacking started a thread entitled "MUST SEE" about how he found an "iPhone" that runs both the iPhone rom and WM6

it's definitely some kind of chinese iClone obviously.
i suppose the problem here would be drivers for the screen.
also, a whole bunch of the features wouldn't work out that well(visual voicemail, accelerometer)

The only real upside I see is the hardware and that is only until the new devices like the Xperia1 come out.
For pure geek factor I will admit that it would be the bee's knee's though.

So...
Any one seriously consider tackling this on? I wish I had the knowledge to do it, because I would in a HEARTBEAT.
EDIT: Anyone see this yet? Thoughts?
http://solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=1364&page=1

actually it's an iphone...i simply photoshoped screenshots of my phone onto it. i'm running WM6.1 the screen ou see there is Dredd's mobile shell theme for mobile shell 2 and of course the taskbar is vista pocket 2 running on wisbar advance 3...and a WMP11 skin.
but you see my point here...however you want to customize your windows mobile device you can...which you cant do with an iphone...

lemme drop some research some you:
Partioning/Dual-Booting the iphone http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/03/12/dual-booting-the-iphone/
Jailbreaking the easy way:
http://www.ziphone.org/
iphone to have dual-core processor
http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2008/04/23/a-powerpc-in-your-iphone/

dang this iclones seem 2 have better thing than the iphone i mean dual simcard slots,cameras and bluetooth, and running wm6... apple should take some notes...

impossible
Running windows mobile/windowsCE is completely impossible from a end user/hacker point of view for the iphone let alone ANY device that does not run WM/CE. it all comes down to drivers, and the developers(like HTC, Gigabyte...) makes them.
You have to understand each WM ROM is custom made for each device by manufacturers. WM/CE is fully componentised from ground up right down to including keyboard support, so only minimal drivers are included in the ROM to make it small.
So unless you can do programming in low level(010010101010) and have complete access to hardware and chip design then it is impossible to have it boot WM natively.
btw, we are hackers(or some of us are), and we *might* be able to make a device emulator and just emulate WM/CE like on the PC. of course, currently thats next to nothing - as we need an opensource/free emulator for WM/CE that does not exist.
the only way to make it real and feasible is VNC. They did the same thing with Android-on-WM(and i think it works great).

the screen resolution of the iphone is absolute incompatible.

Is it possible to install OS X into blackstone

Is it possible to install OS X (iphone operating system) into blackstone??

No but look for iphonetoday or other interface iphone like , everything is on xda search a little.

Since Blackstone & iPhone share the same basic architecture (arm), one could think it's possible. But the architecture isn't all.. just think about the radio! XDA-Devs are able to port ROMs from different devices to others (e.g. rhodium roms on blackstone device..) just because they are all essentially the same: same CPU (MSM72xx), same components and moreover same OS!
Just take a look at the guys here trying to make android run on our beloved blackstone: even though the OS is open source, they're having hard time with things such as MicroSD cards (which btw iPhone is lacking.. one can just wonder what a royal pain that means when even thinking about porting..)

The iPhone OS is protected, even if you jailbreak it, it isn't possible to port the OS. And as you know, a lot of things which are usual for us, aren't for the iPhone user.
No MMS, No FM Radio, No Camera on the front, only 2 MP Camera, no Bluetooth which really works (you can't send files)
I know with the Firmware 3.0 you can do a lot more, but our HTC is still better. (with Android installed I thnk even perfect so let's hope, they will finish reaaaaally soon)

can i burn dvd+rw on blackstone ?

Can I install Symbian on my Touch HD?
(I'm kidding).

After some smart questions, its my time to ask:
Can I install Nokia 3310 O.S. in the Blackstone?
I miss snake game
[\ironic mode]

rofl ah i love this forum

Can I drink some tea using my HD ?

haam1978 said:
Can I drink some tea using my HD ?
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yeah but that would affect battery life

I Wonder If I Can Install Arthur Os On My Touch HD
(That Would Actually Be Pretty Old School.)
(Oh, I Was Joking Btw.)
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DanMccoy1 said:
I Wonder If I Can Install Arthur Os On My Touch HD
(That Would Actually Be Pretty Old School.)
(Oh, I Was Joking Btw.)
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HEY! that's a superbar!

hmmm...
Yes, all you need is some sticky back plastic and some old egg cartons. For the pro version you will need tinsel foil and an old coat hanger.
You will find the instructions at the following link:
http://[email protected]/full_on_numpty/idiotproject.html

DanMccoy1 said:
I Wonder If I Can Install Arthur Os On My Touch HD ...
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Argh. No, I wish to install TOS and GEM on my HD!!! Help?!

I Would Just Love MS-Dos On My Phone Right About Now.
(Bricks Phone)
AHH THERE WE GO!

stoolzo said:
Yes, all you need is some sticky back plastic and some old egg cartons. For the pro version you will need tinsel foil and an old coat hanger.
You will find the instructions at the following link:
http://[email protected]/full_on_numpty/idiotproject.html
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hahaha.... nice one eh... so basically, at the moment it is virtually impossible to install OS X into blackstone...

lunatic_silf said:
hahaha.... nice one eh... so basically, at the moment it is virtually impossible to install OS X into blackstone...
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Yeah, Pretty Much

If I install Commadore 64 will I still retain full phone functions?
I want to play some Ghostbusters!

Am I missing something....
Is my Blackstone the only one that can transform into Optimus Prime

Can I sit on my HD and ride it like a magic carpet?

Windows Phone 7 Series device from Samsung is just a hacked i8910 HD

engadget dot com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-device-from-samsung-is-just-a-hacked-i891/
What does this mean for chances of W7S on the HD2? I'm a complete noob here. Please don't bash me too bad if this is a dumb question. It seems the i891 meets even fewer of the WP7 specifications than the HD2!!!
Sorry, cant post links

Now that's creepy. Microsoft better not be playing a bunch of people. If Windows can run on lower-grade devices, it better be released for them too.

That may be true- but I think its going to be optimised over its life before its released so it will be a different device.
WM7 is more about standards, and things have to have lots of stuff to be allowed to use it- which makes sence.

Is it possible that Microsoft are shunning HTC because they've focused more on Android than Win Mo in the past year?

i think its the same body as the i8910 HD but they might have updated the internals. i.e. processor, RAM, ROM ..

brummiesteven said:
Is it possible that Microsoft are shunning HTC because they've focused more on Android than Win Mo in the past year?
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OR maybe it's HTC wanting to provide phones for the business end of the consumer spectrum and thus staying far away from WP7 and instead going with android.

The device in question is a prototype that will NOT go on sale; I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from this.

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A prototype using existing hardware for an OS that should not run without a magical "video scaler"...good going M$. What a nose dive. It's all about pushing over priced phones now. Where did the pda concept go? You killed it.

I guess my point is, if it can run on this phone, why not the HD2?

The phone is hacked, the screen size is obviously different.

the fact that they look the same doesnt mean that they are the same
first of all, the bottom part of the phone shown at mix is longer
second, the distance between "samsung" label and screen is obviously bigger
they just put the hardware in a shell just to have something to demonstrate.
its like taking your hard drive and sticking it into a case to make it portable

skylinepigeon said:
I guess my point is, if it can run on this phone, why not the HD2?
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Because they can make more money with new HD2 + new hardware buttons + 7 Series OS (this world has bad sides I know)
I accepted that the HD2 will not get 7 Series, because there really are a few good reasons. The HD2 does not meat at least 3 to 4 requirements.
BUT, then I see this...
Anyway, I am moving to Android in April/May.

XDA mark said:
Because they can make more money with new HD2 + new hardware buttons + 7 Series OS (this world has bad sides I know)
I accepted that the HD2 will not get 7 Series, because there really are a few good reasons. The HD2 does not meat at least 3 to 4 requirements.
BUT, then I see this...
Anyway, I am moving to Android in April/May.
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what are the 3 of 4 requirements

hoss_n2 said:
what are the 3 of 4 requirements
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The HD2 has no search button, no hardware camera button, no dedicated power button, half a gigabyte of flash memory when the minimum requirement is 8GB, and has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. In addition there is a significant question-mark over whether the touch-screen is capable of registering the necessary four independent points of contact, and some doubt as to whether it has the necessary non-GPU-based hardware image scaler.

just found this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649068:cool:

Ubuntu for Android

http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/a-quick-look-at-ubuntu-for-android-at-mwc-xdatv/
Man, i can't wait for this to become available for download
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http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Do we have any DEV interested in joining the force?

AllGamer said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/a-quick-look-at-ubuntu-for-android-at-mwc-xdatv/
Man, i can't wait for this to become available for download
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Do we have any DEV interested in joining the force?
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The only downside is that canonical has said that they're looking to work with OEM's on this project, and don't have any immediate plans to release to the public.
I'm really curious what hardware they're using to make this magic happen. They show a phone docked, but how is it connected via mouse/keyboard/monitor? MHL with bluetooth peripherals? USB OTG and MHL combo on the back of the dock? I've been waiting for something like this, lucky me that ubuntu is the one that's making it happen.

would be sweet unless they some how integrate unity

"That's absolutely amazing"

Like that they planning on keep all supported phones updated to the newest Ubuntu release.

I know it's not quite the same, but there is a way already to have ubuntu on our phones.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.ubuntuinstall&hl=en

denti said:
would be sweet unless they some how integrate unity
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Seems to me Unity is all but guaranteed. Hopefully we be able to apt whatever DE we want though. For that matter hopefully we will be able to switch to whatever distro we want, at least debian distros.
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A similar dual os via docking comes with motorola phones. Many developers have already improved on the motorola mini-buntu.
This may take it to an even better level

zigfreid5 said:
I know it's not quite the same, but there is a way already to have ubuntu on our phones.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.ubuntuinstall&hl=en
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correct, but the current incarnations are actual installations, and they don't Sync immediately live between the two OS
the ones we got running right now are either virtualized version of Ubuntu in our phone, or they actually replace Android, and it requires much tweaking for it to do what currently is cooking at Ubuntu Dev
Does anyone have a leak of that beta development of Ubuntu for Android?
i want to try to make it work on our phones
Also how does one even sign up as a Dev on Ubuntu to get access to the repositories for Ubuntu Android?

This is probably not going to be easily backported to other devices. Like Android itself, it needs native drivers that homebrewers aren't really going to be able to code, so don't expect to see this running on our phones, at least not well enough to be more than a novelty.
It's cool tech, though, and especially on the new generation of phones with Krait or Core A15 this is going to be a real potential desktop replacement for a lot of people who only do light computing. I think this is ultimately where computing is going to go for most people, although it might be a few years before the technology is quite good enough.

AllGamer said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/a-quick-look-at-ubuntu-for-android-at-mwc-xdatv/
Man, i can't wait for this to become available for download
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Do we have any DEV interested in joining the force?
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Samsung Galaxy S3 may become custom Linux instead of Android?

It has been said we might run a custom linux version instead of google android! This is what I saw this morning on my flipboard news. What do you think?
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After seeing this, it got me curious to what "Tizen", now if you guys already knew about it, please don't pick on me, but this is what I found on one of the developers test tizen phones. Kinda interesting..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ios0Fjq3oDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Galaxy S3.

If this does go big, the whole Ubuntu OS will (in my opinion) definitely be shot out of the water
It also seems like a lot of companies have woken up and realized that the smartphone market is gonna be going places and they want in on it

CNexus said:
If this does go big, the whole Ubuntu OS will (in my opinion) definitely be shot out of the water
It also seems like a lot of companies have woken up and realized that the smartphone market is gonna be going places and they want in on it
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Well, Ubuntu seems to be much farther along than Tizen, although it does have the backing of Samsung and Intel and all of those guys

Lolanerd said:
Well, Ubuntu seems to be much farther along than Tizen, although it does have the backing of Samsung and Intel and all of those guys
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Yeah, but thats my point, all the big.guys are supporting this one and not Ubuntu, regardless of which is more ready

I hope not it looks old And outdated
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budde2 said:
I hope not it looks old And outdated
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Well those are probably just the early stages

Lolanerd said:
Well those are probably just the early stages
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It is. If you watched the video he says its just a test phone they hand to devs to mess with.
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Not for the GS3, but it'll be interesting to see future devices with Tizen.

It looks like my first gen moto razr but touch and faster.
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Is it too smart to point out android is linux

It will be available for the s3, but "instead" it won't ever be forced on us. They wouldn't change os's on a phone like that.
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Pretty cool!
2 questions ... I wonder if the first custom ROM be named Mike ...... so Mike Tizen?
2nd was I the only person watching the video waiting for the guy to yell .. "run to da chappahhhhh" ??

Dreamlogix said:
Is it too smart to point out android is linux
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Android uses Linux for the kernels, the rest is something else I believe. This thread is talking about full Linux.

As good as this sounds, and/or Ubuntu or open WebOS, it's not all about the OS.
If other handset manu's don't "buy into the idea", then you have a single company with limited apps and limited support and no real infrastructure.
Apps are a huge deciding point when it comes to what people buy.
Phone A with android and a million apps? (apps = designed specifically for phone)
Phone B with ios and a million apps?
Phone C with ubuntu and 100 apps?
Phone D with tizen and 100 apps?
Phone E with Win Phone 8 and 20k apps?
Without the infrastructure and apps people won't come to it. Without people, developers have no desire to create apps and infrastructure. Catch 22.

Lolanerd said:
Android uses Linux for the kernels, the rest is something else I believe. This thread is talking about full Linux.
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Linux is the kernel. That's it. There is no "full Linux" as you put it. What you may be thinking of is GNU/Linux, which is the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace overlaid on top of it. That's what almost all Linux-based desktop operating systems (like Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Slackware, Arch, etc.) use.

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Linux is the kernel. That's it. There is no "full Linux" as you put it. What you may be thinking of is GNU/Linux, which is the Linux kernel with the GNU userspace overlaid on top of it. That's what almost all Linux-based desktop operating systems (like Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Slackware, Arch, etc.) use.
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Yeah I was referring to the way Linux is on desktops, sorry about that. Thanks for correcting me.

The more options, the better. A duopoly isn't ideal for the consumer. Android is great and all, but more choices never hurt.