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Hi.
i got a unbranded Touch Pro2 in france. the battery stand 2 days before the first recharge. but seems i got a problem of recharging.
i decide to recharge it when the phone is ON, but seems it consumes more than recharge speed. there are less and less electric in the battery, even the screen is Off, and no applications running, and all connections are disabled (WIFI, Bluetooth, Data Connection) except Phone
so i have to take the phone completely OFF, with a cable USB connected to the computer, now it is more than 6 hours, but the recharing light is always "Orange".
this is my 3rd HTC phone, and i never met this problem before. as the first recharge of TP2, is it normal to me?
thanks in advance of your help
Try the supplied wall charger - will do the job a lot quicker!
michi123 said:
Try the supplied wall charger - will do the job a lot quicker!
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Thanks, nearly 6.5 hours with usb cable. the light turns green, so i can start it now.
but i still not understand why it consumes more quickly than recharge. i will see if it happens only in first charge.
I saw somthing somehwhere about turning on quick charge or full charge via activesync usb, dont know what its about but its worth investegating if this is a problem for you.
I have another charging or connection problem, with all my other htc phones (5) i could use any regular usb cabel, with the pro 2 they all seem to have poor connection, have to hold the cabel in a sertan angel for it to work. The supplied cabel and the org cabel for my pro 1 works fine though. Anybody else having this issue?
flippy said:
I saw somthing somehwhere about turning on quick charge or full charge via activesync usb, dont know what its about but its worth investegating if this is a problem for you.
I have another charging or connection problem, with all my other htc phones (5) i could use any regular usb cabel, with the pro 2 they all seem to have poor connection, have to hold the cabel in a sertan angel for it to work. The supplied cabel and the org cabel for my pro 1 works fine though. Anybody else having this issue?
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same here - but applies to all my htc phone. they can not connect stability with the mini-usb of my SLR camera. in fact, there are a little different with HTC ext-usb and mini USB -- the port is a Right-angle trapezoidal, while the standard mini-usb is Symmetric trapezoidal. so that's why we should use the ext-usb cable.
same here with the usb cable ...well is not the usb cables problem but the usb plug in the phone .
concerning charging from a pc laptop.....
if i leave my phone overnight charging from the laptop and the laptop goes into standby ,even if the battery is 100% it gets totally discharged with in hours!!!! this while plugged into the laptop!!!
what a hell is this , i mean, m i charging the laptop from the pda or what!?
this is a serious bug that htc needs addressing.
please note that there is laptops that do not power down usb ports while in standby, i got one that does just that.
now my eee-pc1000h doe power down the usbs ports when going into standby.
x_sliver said:
same here - but applies to all my htc phone. they can not connect stability with the mini-usb of my SLR camera. in fact, there are a little different with HTC ext-usb and mini USB -- the port is a Right-angle trapezoidal, while the standard mini-usb is Symmetric trapezoidal. so that's why we should use the ext-usb cable.
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Well i know that but that is becous they also have the headset on the same port. As far as i know you should be able to use a normal usb cabel with the device.
USB ports on a computer can only supply 500Mah of current. it seems really odd that the phone would be discharging at such a rate to deplete itself even with that current available. that would seem to indicate the 1500Mah battery in the Tp2 would only last 2, maybe 3 hours before dying if left unplugged.
when connected through a Wall outlet the phone should be being charged at 1000Mah. although the maximum safe charge rate of the battery is 1.5Amps (1500Mah.)
crazy talk said:
USB ports on a computer can only supply 500Mah of current. it seems really odd that the phone would be discharging at such a rate to deplete itself even with that current available. that would seem to indicate the 1500Mah battery in the Tp2 would only last 2, maybe 3 hours before dying if left unplugged.
when connected through a Wall outlet the phone should be being charged at 1000Mah. although the maximum safe charge rate of the battery is 1.5Amps (1500Mah.)
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I have noticed that my TP2 can complain with a popup warning that there is insufficient power to charge when connected to my Dell laptop. I think it just stops charging at this point. After that it is downhill all the way!
I agree that there is something strange going on with the TP2 recharging from a USB port. I got my TP2 as a replacement for my HTC Universal. I am using the TP2 on the same port with the same cable. The Universal was very straightforward - plug it in and it charged regardless of whether it or the PC was on or off. The TP2 is very different - leave this connected to a powered off PC overnight and I routinely find that the TP2 has reached critical battery low the next morning. This means that not only does it seem not to have been charging, but it must have been "on" overnight (where the power management settings should have turned it off) in order to deplete the battery to this extent, regardless of whether it was charging or not. The battery charging light (amber to the left of the ear speaker) is on throughout.
The power management information is also odd. This AM it reports last full charge at 23:12 last night and since last full charge a standby time of 6h39m, talk time of 0 and device usage of 2h55m. However, it wasnt used at all after about 20:00 last night and power management should have turned it off after 30 mins.
It charges normally from the USB port when the PC is on.
Any ideas?
This problem happens with standard USB cables and the official HTC cable. You must have an active ActiveSync connection or the phone won't charge.
Last night I plugged my phone in while my computer was still booting. The charging light came on, but this morning I was left with 10% battery.
If you plug it into a computer without ActiveSync installed the phone won't charge.
If you plug it in and the ActiveSync icon turns green the phone is happy and will charge.
If you turn off the phone and plug it in to just about any USB power source, the phone doesen't know better, and it will charge.
I got the power error in my car last weekend. Running with the splitter, with 3.5mm into car sterio and car charger plugged in. Was running slide2play and the pop up showed up. Come to find out, later on the charging light wasnt on the phone anymore. Tried the wifes tilt 2 and it wouldnt charger hers either. The car charger died.
BUT, at the time the error came up, the charging light was up and running.
cekc said:
This problem happens with standard USB cables and the official HTC cable. You must have an active ActiveSync connection or the phone won't charge.
Last night I plugged my phone in while my computer was still booting. The charging light came on, but this morning I was left with 10% battery.
If you plug it into a computer without ActiveSync installed the phone won't charge.
If you plug it in and the ActiveSync icon turns green the phone is happy and will charge.
If you turn off the phone and plug it in to just about any USB power source, the phone doesen't know better, and it will charge.
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Total nonsense, I plug my phone into my computer here at home to top it off on the weekend and it does not have ActiveStink on it.
Problem with TP2 and Mini USB sync/charge cable
I have an unbranded GSM TP2. It charges normally using the HTC wall charger and the HTC supplied ExtUSB cable.
I have read that Mini USB cables should be compatible with the HTC ExtUSB port for normal operations like charge and sync so I bought a generic Mini USB sync/charge cable on e-Bay. The supplier stated it was compatible with TP2, but when I plug it in to USB port, the device charging light comes on for 1 sec then goes off and the PC shows a message saying "a USB device has malfunctioned".
The supplier sent me a replacement cable but it has exactly the same problem so I don't think the cable is faulty. I think maybe the problem is with my device.
Does anyone out there have more detailed knowledge of the compatibility of Mini USB and ExtUSB?
TP2_Dublin said:
I have an unbranded GSM TP2. It charges normally using the HTC wall charger and the HTC supplied ExtUSB cable.
I have read that Mini USB cables should be compatible with the HTC ExtUSB port for normal operations like charge and sync so I bought a generic Mini USB sync/charge cable on e-Bay. The supplier stated it was compatible with TP2, but when I plug it in to USB port, the device charging light comes on for 1 sec then goes off and the PC shows a message saying "a USB device has malfunctioned".
The supplier sent me a replacement cable but it has exactly the same problem so I don't think the cable is faulty. I think maybe the problem is with my device.
Does anyone out there have more detailed knowledge of the compatibility of Mini USB and ExtUSB?
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Do you use Internet Connection Sharing?
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Do you use Internet Connection Sharing?
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No, I am just using ActiveSync to sync my data and charging via USB whilst connected.
As I said, it works perfectly with the standard HTC ExtUSB cable but fails to connect properly when I try to use the Mini USB cable.
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No, I am just using ActiveSync to sync my data and charging via USB whilst connected.
As I said, it works perfectly with the standard HTC ExtUSB cable but fails to connect properly when I try to use the Mini USB cable.
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I think the odds are you just got a bum USB cable...the failure rate among the generic ones on e-bay is considerably higher as a rule. Do you or any of your friends have any other mini-USB equipped devices you can test it with?
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I think the odds are you just got a bum USB cable...the failure rate among the generic ones on e-bay is considerably higher as a rule. Do you or any of your friends have any other mini-USB equipped devices you can test it with?
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That was my first thought but I have now tried three different cables, from two different e-bay sources, with the same effect. However, I haven't yet tried any of them with any other device - I'll try that at the weekend and see what happens.
so the option to not charge it is not ticked under power settings, and its set to charge via usb from advanced config and still no dice.
tried different usb ports and nothing
the led is orange, says its charging in power options
any thoughts?
Try a diffrent usb cable, some cables do not provide enough power to charge the phone. (guessing maybe they are old 1.1 cabels). But I know I have a few cables around that dont charge my phone and they also will not work with my portable external usb hard drive because they wont provide enough power for it. But they work just fine with my digital camera.
I´ve read somewhere that disabling USB charging is better for the battery life, so I have it disabled.
You've tried different USB ports, but were they on the different computers?
so i've tried different cables, different ports and 2 different PC's and 2 different laptops.
I know its not the cable i'm currently using because i plugged it into one of those A/C to USB adapters and charged fine.
I'm starting to think its my batter,
If you have tbattery installed, do u get values for all the boxes?
All mine except 3 or 4 are 0 :/
Well, you are not the only one having this problem. Mine is brand new. I started setting it up last night and had it hooked to the computer via usb. I installed a few .cabs such as google maps, myphone, and a few tweaks such as tether, disable sent notification, enable all camera modes, and manila start menu unlocker. While it was connected it said it was charging. When I went to bed I turned it off and connected it to another usb cable on another computer which is an a/c hub. I went to turn it on this morning and thought it was strange it was not fully charged. I continued to set it up a bit and take it for a spin. After a while I turned it off again and hooked it to the usb a/c charger again. I just tried turning it on and nothing was happening. I connected it to the usb again and it finally turned on, but I checked the battery level and it was at 0% and turned off. I have it connected to the a/c charger and giving it a little bit to see what will happen. One thing that seems strange is that the battery discharged more while it was off and attached to the usb a/c hub during the afternoon causing it to refuse to turn on at all. Any thoughts?
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so i've tried different cables, different ports and 2 different PC's and 2 different laptops.
I know its not the cable i'm currently using because i plugged it into one of those A/C to USB adapters and charged fine.
I'm starting to think its my batter,
If you have tbattery installed, do u get values for all the boxes?
All mine except 3 or 4 are 0 :/
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I think the odds are pretty good it's your battery. The orange light means power is going through the charging circuit, so you obviously have your settings correct.
I'm guessing you're in Austin or near? If you want to try popping my battery in it for a few minutes and see if it charges fine then, PM me and we can set something up.
the same thing is happening with mine. Sometimes it will charge, sometimes it wont. weird thing is that it only started doing this a few days ago... i know nothing has changed ROM wise, so only things i can think now is maybe the actual USB connector on the phone or the battery, but since I am getting a charge via wall chargers im not sure what to think lol
Just an update.
If i have the USB cable plugged in (and car charger to which doesn't charge as well ) after 15 min or so a warning appears saying that the current is too low to charge the device. Either closed unused apps or switch to a/c power.
I've ordered a 1800mah Mugen Power Battery. Gonna see if it resolves the issue, if it does then i'm gonna call at&t and see if they'll swap my battery for me.
I have found as have others here after reading some posts that if the phone is almost dead or battery is very low then it will not charge via the USB anymore. The orange light goes on and it says that its charging but the charging circuit seems to be protecting the phone and not letting the battery charge.
The only solution I have found, and it has only happened twice so far is to plug it into a wall charger and fully charge the battery. It will then charge via USB again and all is good. I normally only charge my phone with usb while connected to Activesync but once in a while you seem to need to top it up with a wall charger.
It is also highly recomended not to run Lithium Ion batteries right out.
How do you know it is not charging?
There is a difference in the wiring from a wall charger and a USB charger. There is a signal line in the wall charger telling it to charge at near 1000ma. In the USB cable that line tells it to limit the charge current to 500ma. That is the limit for current that you should pull from a USB port. If you are using the unit heavily, you may actually need more then the 500ma., those running the battery down possibly.
If the unit is idle, it will still take much longer to charger from USB then off of a wall charger.
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How do you know it is not charging?
There is a difference in the wiring from a wall charger and a USB charger. There is a signal line in the wall charger telling it to charge at near 1000ma. In the USB cable that line tells it to limit the charge current to 500ma. That is the limit for current that you should pull from a USB port. If you are using the unit heavily, you may actually need more then the 500ma., those running the battery down possibly.
If the unit is idle, it will still take much longer to charger from USB then off of a wall charger.
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If you are asking me, I know it was not charging because I also had the "not enough power to charge message" and the phone went from about 15% when I plugged it in to stone cold dead by the morning. The whole time it was pluged into a computer I have used repeatedly to charge it with. I then put it on a AC charger and it went to full charger in about an hour and a half or so.
Sorry if this is a duplicate thread, I searched quite a bit for a solution but only found stuff for the TP, not the TP2.
Ok, so I know with the original TP you could charge it from a computer, but it was not as fast as a wall charger unless you had the fix that allowed it to charger faster on the computer.
Well on my TP2, it really won't charge the phone, and if I am using something like wifi router that uses a lot of power, it will actually lose power while charging off my computer...
Is there a fix to bypass this so I can have my phone plugged into my computer and charge it???
make sure in your battery settings the box that says "when device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC" is unchecked. meaning an empty box. if its checked off, uncheck it. also, this might help, when plugged up to ur computer, cut ur backlight all the way down or low. the phone will use less battery that way and will charge faster when hooked up. either way though, charging thru a pc is trickle charging, meaning its gonna b slower than wall charger anyways. i havent came across the fix u mentioned for the TP.
trickle charging is when battery is fully charged and is still pluged on charger, then charging change to trickle power charge, around 20mA+actual request of the phone. this way if you have phone/any electronic in general on charger for a month, it's still kept fully charged.
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htc have two modes of charging slow 500mA and fast 1A (1000mA)
to say to the phone that charger is fast, you need to have one pin on mini-USB connected to ground. this pin is unused by mini-usb specifications but htc is using it for this trigger.
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cut open mini usb connector on usb to mini usb cable and wire the unused PIN to power ground (get pinouts pics or use multimeter!!!!! don't guess try it)
then you still facing another problem, USB is strictly specified to not exceed 500mA (with 10% toleration) no trick to get more then this from one usb. some computers are not so precise with rules though and could give slightly over 550mA
to get 1A you need to use two usb ports in parallel. like some china made usb harddrives enclosures
get an additional USB connector and add it to your cable.
NOTE: DON'T CONNECT DATA LINES ON THIS SECOND CONNECTOR!!!!!
data = inner 2 pins
power = outer 2 pins
* you can get an USB extension cable, wire 2 power lines out of it, connect to your usb - miniusb cable... this way you still can use the other usb for other device
NOTE: this is not a standard though accepted solution. I haven't saw or heard of any burned computers cos of this but wouldn't be surprised to see one.
anyway if I had that need, I would go for it
when making this cable, be very sure 5v wire is not touching data lines!!! Test it properly before plugging to PC! I have brand new laptop now, the old one is lying with DEAD usb host below table just because I believed there have to be protection against this. There IS NOT.
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actually NOT.
without grounding the special pin on mini USB side of the cable, mobile would charge by 500mA no matter if you put 100A charger in. or paralleling 20 USBs
Wow...I'm pretty tech savy but that was a bit confusing...so I get the gist of that, but how is it that all it takes is plugging the usb chord into the htc ac power supply will fix that? why isn't it required for all that jazz of rewiring crap on the ac adapter as well, since it comes from the same usb chord...?
eh, have mercy with that english slang we are mostly not englishers here
What you meant was, why htc AC (wall) charger charges on hi power without those tricks?
Because the connection is already made there.
That's not a hidden trick anyway. Not even trick. It's a standart feature.
HTC is, not like other manufacturers, sticking to specs and mobile would not demand more then 500mA from standart usb connection.
usb is defined to be max 500mA
if you want a connector which is based on standart (htc's usb-hub can use usb cables), and you want a fast charging without violating standarts than this was the best resolution, to use pin which is generaly unused to trigger-detect 1A charger.
But as htc didn't made computer fast-charge cables. A serious company will not release such a cable. Connecting power from two usb hosts together - I feel pain by doing it, but it proved computer stabilizators don't mind it and though I don't think it's giving really double, it's giving more then 500mA.
But here you have to "imitate" original htc AC charger by shortwiring that trigger pin the way as it is there.
hope this was your question about.
Just final note in red when making this cable, be very sure 5v wire is not touching data lines!!! Test it properly before plugging to PC! I have brand new laptop now, the old one is lying with DEAD usb host below table just because I believed there have to be protection against this. There IS NOT.
Anyone know what needs plugging in to get this phone to charge please? I have always used it with both cables plugged in. Suddenly I am trying not to bother using the USB cable and it only charges in the cradle for a minute or so before the orange light goes off. With the phone plugged in OR with the battery plugged into the slot on the cradle. (therefore this doesnt seem to be to do with the charging circuits in the phone itself). I dont think it has always done this.
So I tried plugging the USB cable back in and hey presto, my brand new battery starts to charge properly.
Does anyone know if this means that the ac adapter connected to the cradle is malfunctioning and not putting out enough power? Or enough power constantly enough to continue putting out the necessary 5v? Or is it only supposed to work with both cables plugged in? When I unplug the ac adapter, the battery stops charging so I cant figure out where the cradle is getting its 5v to charge! Other have reported, worryingly, that the unit should charge with the USB cable alone.
I did look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282983 but they all talk about after market chargers not working, whereas I am pretty sure mine is the original Siemens sx66 charger. Does anyone think that the adapter is failing and eventually BOTH the power cable AND the USB cable wont put out enough power to charge the unit?
Anyone else notice that our Nitro is rather fickle about the power source it receives?
If my battery is completely drained, it MUST be plugged into a higher power source than USB (so far a wall charger that ouputs 750ma works) until it gets an initial charge (usually needs at least a couple of %)...Then it will accept charging from USB (USB provides 500ma).
I can tell when it's in this "state" because it remains dead if I plug it into USB and then if I plug it into a wall charger the touch buttons at the bottom flash for a few times and then the LG logo pops up and finally a charging battery icon comes on. Considering this sequence, this seems like a functionality of the phone. I wonder if this is common, my Nexus One certainly didn't have a higher-initial charge rate requirement when the battery was dead.
I've experienceed the same scenario.
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I only have chargers that operate 1.8amps and higher.
As the battery is an issue the higher the amps the faster it will charge
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Well I did notice that if it was on usb...and I had bluetooth...gps, and wifi...plus running some apps and stuff...the battery actually continued to drain I think they have the usb thing as a safety measure...for some reason...I think it's odd...but meh
try a usb cable that has 2 jacks plugs to connect to tyhe computer. These cables are often supplied with external hard drives as they they require more power than can be supplied by just one usb connection.
I was also having the problem of my p-930 discharging while plugged into compute usb jack - even when screen off nad only in charge mode. I have since bought a dual plugged usb cable and it charges now. Although I haven't tried it from a completely discharged state.
my spectrum is the same way.. i can charge it with usb.. but it takes about 15-20 minutes to get enough charge to turn on
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Well I did notice that if it was on usb...and I had bluetooth...gps, and wifi...plus running some apps and stuff...the battery actually continued to drain I think they have the usb thing as a safety measure...for some reason...I think it's odd...but meh
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This! I only charge with a wall adapter now. I had a hard time charging it until someone here recommended this to me.