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A few days ago I was thinking Microsoft was taking too much time with Mango and with improving the OS in general but after seeing the iPhone 4S I think Windows Phone is pretty much one (massive) update away to match Apple.
Really all they need to do is support higher resolutions and dual-core processors and the rest should follow (e.g. Unreal Engine). Question is, are they willing to do that already with Apollo (Tango will be minor)? I'm not so sure...
To be honest, I was hoping for the Iphone 4s to be good. It would keep Microsoft and Google on their feet. But jesus, the Iphone 4s is terrible. There is NOTHING on the 4s that can't be found on a high end android of 6 months ago.
Thanks. Just said what was in my mouth.
I must thank Apple too. My WP7 looks lot better now.
It is good. Look at the internals. The iPhone 4 external design is already excellent. They didn't really have to change that. No one was complaining when they used basically the same chasis on the iPhone, 3G, and 3GS TBQH.
The internals, however, are excellent.
Keep it in perspective:
iPhone 3GS 8GB - Free on Contract
iPhone 4 8GB - $99 on Contract
iPhone 4S 16/32/64 GB - $1/2/399 on Contract
The iPhone 4S will be on 3 US carriers.
iTunes is now up to 20 Million Tracks in their Library.
That's not even touching on the changes in iOS5 that are coming, which seem about as big as the Mango update, and it'll be going to devices back to iTouch 3rd Gen and iPhone 3GS.
This is good for apple, not so good for their competitors.
How does HTC expect to sell Titan/Radar for the prices we've seen thus far and compete with that, seriously?
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Peew971 said:
A few days ago I was thinking Microsoft was taking too much time with Mango and with improving the OS in general but after seeing the iPhone 4S I think Windows Phone is pretty much one (massive) update away to match Apple.
Really all they need to do is support higher resolutions and dual-core processors and the rest should follow (e.g. Unreal Engine). Question is, are they willing to do that already with Apollo (Tango will be minor)? I'm not so sure...
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Apollo is at least a year away, going by their NoDo (Tango) and Mango (Apollo) update schedules.
By the tiem Apollo is out, Apple will be getting ready to Announce iOS 6 and Google will have moved up 2-3 versions in Android.
The whole point of the first year of WP7 was for them to position themselves in a way where they didn't have to play catch up so much.
From watching what has happened in Mango and iOS 5, Honeycomb, RIM QNX, etc... There is still a lot of innovation to be done for smartphones and tablets - bother in hardware and software.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, the iPhone 4S will be bother CDMA and GSM, so it will be probably the only phone that allows you to go between carriers (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon) without losing 3G capabilities, in addition to being a "World Phone." That will sell highly to businesses, people who travel, and consumers who aren't devout to any single carrier.
That being said, the only way I'll get it is if I switch carriers. I'm moving soon, so that's not completely out of the quesiton. But it's not worth ETFing and running after it withouto at least a 4" screen. I already have an iTouch 4.
albertleao said:
To be honest, I was hoping for the Iphone 4s to be good. It would keep Microsoft and Google on their feet. But jesus, the Iphone 4s is terrible. There is NOTHING on the 4s that can't be found on a high end android of 6 months ago.
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Came here to say this exactly.
/Apple fail
People are so wrong writing 4S off...
It's a huge upgrade over 3GS, so folks on expiring two year contracts are in for a treat. Check.
It's better than 4, while still being awesome, so new adopters will get what they want. Check.
Apple also covers all [subsidized market] price points, so it'll be impossible to beat them on the price for anyone. Check.
Apple has a winner on their hands.
And no, nothing is lost for WP7, but for different reasons.
N8ter said:
It is good. Look at the internals. The iPhone 4 external design is already excellent. They didn't really have to change that. No one was complaining when they used basically the same chasis on the iPhone, 3G, and 3GS TBQH.
The internals, however, are excellent.
Keep it in perspective:
iPhone 3GS 8GB - Free on Contract
iPhone 4 8GB - $99 on Contract
iPhone 4S 16/32/64 GB - $1/2/399 on Contract
The iPhone 4S will be on 3 US carriers.
iTunes is now up to 20 Million Tracks in their Library.
That's not even touching on the changes in iOS5 that are coming, which seem about as big as the Mango update, and it'll be going to devices back to iTouch 3rd Gen and iPhone 3GS.
This is good for apple, not so good for their competitors.
How does HTC expect to sell Titan/Radar for the prices we've seen thus far and compete with that, seriously?
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I agree, it is bad for now (although people might be tired of the iPhone design) which is why I was talking future prospect. Microsoft has a huge opportunity with Apollo, they could easily match what Apple is doing and more.
They do need a flagship device though.
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To be honest, I was hoping for the Iphone 4s to be good. It would keep Microsoft and Google on their feet. But jesus, the Iphone 4s is terrible. There is NOTHING on the 4s that can't be found on a high end android of 6 months ago.
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Well, that may be true but what about performance? Android needs so much CPU power to be smooth. An iP4 just needed 1GHz and now this thing has a dualcore. No phone on the market today will match the smoothness and graphics power of the 4S. Even the speech recognition on iOS5 seems to be superior to the one in WP7.
That Siri voice assistant thing looks pretty neat, still wouldn't buy an iphone though, screen too small for my ageing eyes!
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I agree, it is bad for now (although people might be tired of the iPhone design) which is why I was talking future prospect. Microsoft has a huge opportunity with Apollo, they could easily match what Apple is doing and more.
They do need a flagship device though.
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I don't think people care about the design, TBQH. They care more about the ecosystem. Most people I know with iPhone - maybe all of them - have it in an Otterbox. They don't even get to see the actual build of the device after the first 10 minutes of taking it out the box.
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Well, that may be true but what about performance? Android needs so much CPU power to be smooth. An iP4 just needed 1GHz and now this thing has a dualcore. No phone on the market today will match the smoothness and graphics power of the 4S. Even the speech recognition on iOS5 seems to be superior to the one in WP7.
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The person you quoted is wrong, anyways.
Android performs well on 1GHz processors. It's badly coded TouchWiz interfaces, for example, and ill-optimize apps that bog it down. The same thing happens on iOS when an app is badly coded. There is lots of complaints in the app store about the "sluggish" performance of Facebook's latest app update, for example... However, iOS (and WP7) are saved by the way they "Multi-Task" applications. That means once you tombstone a sluggish application, it won't bog your system down. That's not the case on Android, Blackberry, or Symbian. A Rogue Application (and especially system component) can bring your (or any) system to a halt.
Samsung Fixed TouchWiz in TW 4.0. It stays out of your way a lot. That's why the Galaxy S II flies while getting some incredible battery life on top of that (8.5+ hours of continuous video on the AT&T variant, which is almost comparable to an iPhone and better than OS7 Blackberries)... That shows that good hardware and decent coding in Android can produce a top-notch phone. That's why they're selling like hotcakes.
The issue Microsoft ran into with WP7 is that they released it missing a few too many things off the bat, so when they worked on Mango, they STILL had to make concessions are pretty expected things just to make sure they could make good time. They already had their consumers waiting for almost a year, so even though they "finished" it early, there was no good PR benefit in holding out a couple/few more months to add in more stuff because of that. People would have been way too pissed. They will be really reliant on Word of Mouth to propagate WP7 in the face of Apple's onslaught - Android was similar, in the beginning. However, Android was playing in a much different market. RIM was still HUGE here, and Apple was on the iPhone 3G back then...
One of the biggest features in iOS 5 is the new Notification System. That's pretty ironic, becuase WP7 basically lacks a decent notification system. Also, Apple stole WP7 Toast Notifications and made them like 10x better.
But Like I said, the lack of a 4" screen is a bit of a stopper for me. Maybe I'll get used to that size from using the iTouch. I'm not sure, though. It's a ***** to type on a screen that small...
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Well, that may be true but what about performance? Android needs so much CPU power to be smooth. An iP4 just needed 1GHz and now this thing has a dualcore. No phone on the market today will match the smoothness and graphics power of the 4S. Even the speech recognition on iOS5 seems to be superior to the one in WP7.
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There android phones out now with dual core processors what improvements did tha tbring? To date none developers aren't using the extra core so its pointless.
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There android phones out now with dual core processors what improvements did tha tbring? To date none developers aren't using the extra core so its pointless.
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Ever heard of tegra zone?
vangrieg said:
People are so wrong writing 4S off...
It's a huge upgrade over 3GS, so folks on expiring two year contracts are in for a treat. Check.
I supposed, but that's not the point.
It's better than 4, while still being awesome, so new adopters will get what they want. Check.
It's almost the same phone. I don't think there has been such a thing as an Apple early adopter since the 80's.
Apple also covers all [subsidized market] price points, so it'll be impossible to beat them on the price for anyone. Check.
I'm not sure where you are, but here in Canada the iPhone is ridiculously overpriced. The 15 month old 4 is still on for like $170 on a THREE YEAR contract.
Apple has a winner on their hands.
Probably a winner yes, but just because that's the way it's been. Nothing really groundbreaking here to deserve having a winner.
And no, nothing is lost for WP7, but for different reasons.
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My replies above in blue.
I love my hd7 but iphone & android is far ahead of wp7. I feel as though windows phone is still playing catch up. For me the mango update was just about everything that should've been in its initial release, as if it was rushed to market
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Thats just games.
All I can say is that Apple have just convinced me to buy a Windows Phone, most likely when Nokia's hit the shelves.
I have an iPhone 4 at the moment, and my contract is up for renewal next month..if they had bothered to release an iPhone 5, I would renew there and then and upgrade to that..no question. Instead they released the 4S, which has practically zero advantage for me over the 4. Faster CPU + GPU? Big deal, my iPhone 4 never lags with what its got..so I don't need that. Siri? Purely a gimmick, the few times I would have a use for this are not worth £500. I will still have an iPhone 4 for work, but for my personal phone..i'm jumping ship as soon as I spot a Windows phone that's worth it.
Definitely an epic failure by Apple when it comes to existing iPhone 4 owners..great for new adopters and 3Gs owners, but for the rest of us? We have no reason to upgrade.
Oh, and about iOS 5. Whats so great about it?
Notification center is just a copy from Android. You can tweet from almost everywhere (i give a **** to twitter).
What else? iMessage? Really, I would like something like that, but I still prefer multiplatforms like WhatsApp or Kik. Or even Facebook (though MS should have added some option to message too).
iOS 5 still an pretty app launcher and nothing more.
tmak22 said:
I love my hd7 but iphone & android is far ahead of wp7. I feel as though windows phone is still playing catch up. For me the mango update was just about everything that should've been in its initial release, as if it was rushed to market
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The problem is Microsoft schedule. They're in a pretty good spot with Mango but if they stick to that one big update a year they will always play catch up. At least for the first couple of years they should have had fast, regular updates like they promised. Still they could be in a position to have a iPhone 4S-like device in a year if they go all out on Apollo.
I don't care how much you shoot down apple for making a safe move, it's a smart one. Plus Siri takes the mick out of WP7 voice commands, the only use I have for voice texting is when I want a laugh, it doesn't pick up any slight accent. I'm from the north east england and it's translations are just embarrassing. I can almost guarantee that Siri will have no problem, Microsoft needs to work a little harder!
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The problem is Microsoft schedule. They're in a pretty good spot with Mango but if they stick to that one big update a year they will always play catch up. At least for the first couple of years they should have had fast, regular updates like they promised. Still they could be in a position to have a iPhone 4S-like device in a year if they go all out on Apollo.
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When they will be competing with the iPhone 5 and Android God-knows-what. The cycle will just continue.
Consumer expectations tend to move with the market. 2 years ago Mango would have been a slam dunk, and it would have decimated iOS and Android around those time frames, but as always... When you wait, the competition doesn't stand still.
They needed to Update a bit faster. I'd say the first 2 years or so they should have taken the Google Route of 1 major update per ~6 months and after that they could have backed off to 1 major update a year.
An iPhone 4S like device in a year is like an iPhone 3GS now.
For the person above... Get your WP7 device. iPhone 4S basically is an iPhone 5 from a hardware standpoint. The only thing they kepc, was the chasis design (i.e., the general look). The iPhone, 3G, and 3GS all looked very similar and no one *****ed about it. What matters is how it performs and what's inside. That's what you're paying for. Most people put these things in a case anyways, cause those iPhones with Glass on teh Front and back are fragile, expensive devices. They don't care how it looks, as long as the internals and the software is new - which they are.
Apple knows this, better than you. That's why they are able to make this move confortably. Don't think they have had any issues making some design changes if they didn't feel that way...
u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
This is an Android forum and more importantly an Android phone...what do you think people are going to tell you? Haha j/k
If it was apps you were worried about Android Market will probably overtake App Store in a year or two so I'd say go for it
It's personal preference but I'm sure you definitely wouldn't regret it. You seen Ice Cream Sandwich?!?! Daymmmm!
Yes, it will be a good choice.
Imagine the screen size only, that's enough to laugh about iPhone 4S tiny screen
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u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
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yea i know i the iphone 4s screen a little tiny calculator lol just selling mi 4s to get the nexus
From 4S to Galaxy Nexus.....it a huge jump. I would start with Nexus S first.
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u guys think that it will be a good choice for me or not ?
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I went from the iphone to the SGS2 and it didn't work for me I was told to try a pure google phone for what my needs were, I have not bought it yet as I'm waiting to see if it's going to be recalled or maybe get a phone from a fresh batch, the apps are somewhat different then on an iphone for an example is the pandora app for say if you turn it landscape you won't get the playlist you listened to during your secion(like you can't look back and see what you listen to and see all the album covers, some apps are better in android then on the iphone some I prefer some I don't JAMOP ,
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I went from the iphone to the SGS2 and it didn't work for me I was told to try a pure google phone for what my needs were, I have not bought it yet as I'm waiting to see if it's going to be recalled or maybe get a phone from a fresh batch, the apps are somewhat different then on an iphone for an example is the pandora app for say if you turn it landscape you won't get the playlist you listened to during your secion(like you can't look back and see what you listen to and see all the album covers, some apps are better in android then on the iphone some I prefer some I don't JAMOP ,
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Dude. Use a period or two.
The iPhone is the top-of-the-line iOS device while the Nexus is the same for Android. The 4S won't have a successor for at least 6 months, while the Nexus could easily cruise a year. That being said, both will be outspecced pretty quickly by quadcore Android phones. Try the Nexus out, IceCreamSandwich is the main feature, as is the HD screen. If you don't like it, go back to the 4S, or wait for some new Android phones. The 4S and Nexus are almost on par in terms of hardware, and are both flagship devices. Either one is a great choice, just depends on your UI preference.
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I try to jump to a gs2 last summer but i dont liked and switched back to ios u guys think that the nexus will be outdated in a 3 or 4 months ? That's my main reason to get to phone when the gs3 come will be outdated or not ?
x.Orville.x said:
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We can't make that decision for you !, I didn't like the SGS2 because of the OS matched up with the hardware, The hardware is all there but it doesn't really work together with it's OS, It's not like how apple puts together their phone everything works like a well oiled machine, it's just not there for some reason, it's all a matter of how one notices it. This is my opinion and I'm hopping for a better phone experience this time around with google as the hardware picker and maker of there OS ICS and definitely not samsung the plastiqek phone maker, I would have liked LG or HTC make it. JMO like it or not
I just made the jump from iOS (3Gs, 4, 4s) to an SGSII, and it will be hard to go back, for me. Customization and larger screens were my main reason for jumping, and I haven't been disappointed. iOS still wins for the ecosystem and interoperability elegance, but I am happy with my choice.
On a side note, my SGSII is going back (bought an unlocked Nexus S) because like the 4s, it is not compelling enough to use my upgrade on for two years. I'll see what comes out in 2012 for an upgrade.
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Hemlocke said:
I just made the jump from iOS (3Gs, 4, 4s) to an SGSII, and it will be hard to go back, for me. Customization and larger screens were my main reason for jumping, and I haven't been disappointed. iOS still wins for the ecosystem and interoperability elegance, but I am happy with my choice.
On a side note, my SGSII is going back (bought an unlocked Nexus S) because like the 4s, it is not compelling enough to use my upgrade on for two years. I'll see what comes out in 2012 for an upgrade.
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I'm buying this nexus outright and saved my upgrade for the iphone 5, I want the iphone 5 early shipped to me.
If you like to customize and do things like put ROMS, kernels, over clocking and such.
Android is now the way to go.......maybe in the past it was iOS but now they are pretty even.
Android is a lot better now especially with ICS....at least they finally decided to implement hardware acceleration -.- which is what iOS did since the beginning making it feel so much more fluid than android.
Anyways, if you sell your iPhone 4s, i would say get the GSII and save a few hundred bucks, especially since the Galaxy Nexus is costing more than the iPhone 4s even sells for. Then use that money when the GSIII or iPhone 5 come out.
I have both the iPhone 4S and Galaxy Nexus.
The iPhone 4S has superior build quality, camera and video recording, games, and vastly superior battery life.
The Galaxy Nexus has the best display I've ever seen, even better than Retina IMO! I can't believe people are bashing Super AMOLED HD or saying Retina is still way better. I have no complaints about the screen, its jaw dropping. Android 4.0 is the best OS out IMO as well. IOS 5 is cool and all, but I can't help but feel that Apple isn't innovating as fast as they should. Google literally redesigned and improved every aspect of Android in one update. In these past 4 years iOS looks nearly identical to how it did when it first launched, as well as many of the stock Apple apps. Every Google app got a giant facelift and improvement: YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps etc. And they look beautiful on this screen. The phone is pretty big overall but I'm getting used to it and its awesome. Performance is very good as well.
I've had the phone for roughly half a day and battery doesn't seem that good yet but I'll reserve judgment for a few more days.
I honestly can't believe Google improved Android this much in just one update. Its amazing.
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I agree. People dog the 4/4s because they will shatter, but the build quality and materials are excellent. It doesn't feel cheap.
I liked the SGSII, initially, but it has always felt cheap and the big screen has terrible resolution. I realized that Android was what would keep me here. I'm looking forward to some premium look and feel Android devices to match the potential of Android OS.
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Just sell my 4s on ebay 588$ for it 16 gb ordering through expansys this week
x.Orville.x said:
I try to jump to a gs2 last summer but i dont liked and switched back to ios u guys think that the nexus will be outdated in a 3 or 4 months ? That's my main reason to get to phone when the gs3 come will be outdated or not ?
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In the smartphone game EVERY phone that comes out is eclipsed in 3-4 months as far as specs are concerned, that's just the nature of the beast now. The thing about the iPhone and the Nexus phones are that there is only one device made every year despite all the other ones that come out with newer faster hardware or whathaveyou. The Nexus phones were designed to have hardware and software work hand in hand more so than any other Android phone. Both of the previous Nexus devices are the only ones running 2.3.6 (to my knowledge - and the NS4G has 2.3.7) which is one update ahead of everyone else - brand new phones are being launched with 2.3.5. If you're gonna make the jump, you're going to want the pure Google experience.
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In the smartphone game EVERY phone that comes out is eclipsed in 3-4 months as far as specs are concerned, that's just the nature of the beast now. The thing about the iPhone and the Nexus phones are that there is only one device made every year despite all the other ones that come out with newer faster hardware or whathaveyou. The Nexus phones were designed to have hardware and software work hand in hand more so than any other Android phone. Both of the previous Nexus devices are the only ones running 2.3.6 (to my knowledge - and the NS4G has 2.3.7) which is one update ahead of everyone else - brand new phones are being launched with 2.3.5. If you're gonna make the jump, you're going to want the pure Google experience.
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The SG2 has been out for 7 months and is still one of the most powerful smartphones out there in terms of hardware.
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The SG2 has been out for 7 months and is still one of the most powerful smartphones out there in terms of hardware.
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I was going to say that LOL but he's also mentioning a phone that come out once a year samsung puts out phones ever three months
That's because of the timing it launched in. With 4 cores around the corner things will change fast .
But I have to say this to OP, me personally I have no desires to go into contest of who has the longer piss, what matters to me is the user experience, as long as it is smooth and fast I don't care about hardware much as long as it would support the latest software. Because overtime all the wow effect will diminish and you'll be left with the software.
I would change from the iPhone to anything just because of the tiny screen.
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That's because of the timing it launched in. With 4 cores around the corner things will change fast .
But I have to say this to OP, me personally I have no desires to go into contest of who has the longer piss, what matters to me is the user experience, as long as it is smooth and fast I don't care about hardware much as long as it would support the latest software. Because overtime all the wow effect will diminish and you'll be left with the software.
I would change from the iPhone to anything just because of the tiny screen.
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I left apple because iphone 4s wasn't an upgrade to me, I also wanted to try something different in life because I had the 2G 3G 3Gs 4 and wanted to see what else is out their and like I said the SGS2 was not for me and I would have turned back if someone didn't say give the google phone a try ( because of what I wanted in a phone ) So here I am waiting to purchase soon, just waiting for the first update and for the second batch to appear
from what I read on iclarified they said (speculation of course ) apple is working on a 4" phone That would be good and I hope they make both because a lot of people like using one hand when surfing and the iphone is great for that in size
http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=18327
I have been a longtime iPhone and Android user and currently I am using the iPhone 4s. It's a great phone, but I tend to miss Android and all that it offers.
Here is my question.. Does anyone think $690 for the GSM Nexus is worth it? I have been going back and forth on it and I think I would really like it, however I can never seem to keep an Android phone because nothing is really new with it.
Here is an example. I had the Verizon Thunderbolt, it was a nice phone, fast and really allowed Android to shine. I then saw the T-Mobile Sensation come out and it was a dual core with nice specs. Another really nice phone. But again, noting super new with Android. Not to mention T-Moble's network blows around here.
I hoped to ATT and I love the coverage and have tried the iPhone 4, 4s (current) and Skyrocket.
So, will Android 4 on the Nexus be new and improved enough to make the switch?
I should pay attention, I see the subsidized Verizon phone still is $300. Maybe $600+ is an ok price.
Honestly I only think paying full price for the GSM Nexus is worth it if you get the $30 Walmart plan on T-Mobile.
I personally have been using my GNex for about a month now and I bought it from one of the on-line retailers (paid $750BTW) and I would do it again in a heart beat. I personally have TMoUSA and the service is good in my area, everyone's mileage will vary. I had the iPhone and have not looked back after going with android
"Worth it" is completely arbitrary based on the person.
For me, it would be worth it. I hate iOS and all it stands for. I also don't being treated like a criminal for wanting root. I also think the iOS theme is butt-ugly.
I'm running pre-alphas of CM9 and they are working flawlessly. This bodes well for the future of the device.
Depends on your budget . I don't think you'll see too much of a difference in terms of performance though... and the GPU isn't that great compared to the iPhone. If you want more input, I suggest you using the search option in this forum and search something along the lines of Galaxy Nexus vs iPhone 4s
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The Galaxy Nexus is a really good phone, IMO the best Android out there (but then I'd never again buy a non-Google phone -- these are locked worse than the iPhone).
I love the big screen (came to it from a Nexus S) and ICS is a big improvement in terms of UI.
Having said that, the iPhone 4S still offers a smoother and more consistent user experience, IMO.
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I should pay attention, I see the subsidized Verizon phone still is $300. Maybe $600+ is an ok price.
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You can get an unlocked 16gb Galaxy Nexus from negri electronics for about $625 shipped nowadays.
No one can tell you how "worth it" it is. Everyone has different qualifications. I'd be inclined to say that if you're going to be staying w/ AT&T and paying through the nose for service, its harder to swallow the ~$625 for an unlocked device.
It becomes more worth it when you go to a prepaid plan and cut your service cost in half every month.
So I would definitely recommend you walk into a Verizon store so you can play with it in person and make your assessment on whether or not you think Android 4 is good enough to justify your payment for the unlocked device. Obviously don't pay attention to the network speeds or anything as you'll be using on AT&T, but its a good idea to see it in person first.
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I paid $650 ($689 after tax)for a non-subsidized CDMA so I think so.
well coming from the SGS II(epic 4g touch)...........I LOVE THIS PHONE!!!....i got the CDMA(32gb) version with Verizon. Android 4.0 is a HUGE step from gingerbread, you'll love it. I would recommend going with Verizon though
Ye love it too, and the experience is definitely more changed than ever from 2.x to 4.0(eg. better than ever), so by those means, yes it's worth it.
However with an iphone 4s i would probably wait another year before upgrading.
You could watch Swappa if you're interested in trying to save a few hundred and go lightly used. There isn't much on there now, but may be more in the coming months. Beware of people maybe trying to unload their phones due to signal issues (CDMA at least). I've collected very mixed data on CDMA signal issues (I can't speak for GSM). Many people report 0 problems, and some report chronic problems even after phone swaps. I've seen some fixed after a swap, and in my case I had a tech swap my SIM card which helped a lot, and then updating to 4.03 radios *hopefully* fixed the problem.
Assuming my signal issues are fixed now and don't return, this phone is by far the best I've ever owned. A major jump forward coming from a Droid Incredible. CM9 is also amazing.
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Apples and oranges.. One is a fancy phone that runs apps, the other is a mini computer.
If you like customizing your phone past wallpapers and folders then it should be a clear and obvious answer
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dude i mean i got the gnex the day it came out and it was complete garbage i hated it it sucked so bad i lit it on fire..i mean i come from a rich background so i can afford to do those kinda things..
jk im not queer, but anyways i have the gnex and i love it. i hate ios and apple entirely and when i see all these kids at my school with iphones i just get heated. anyways..if you have the money to use on a gsm version by all means do so
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I have been a longtime iPhone and Android user and currently I am using the iPhone 4s. It's a great phone, but I tend to miss Android and all that it offers.
Here is my question.. Does anyone think $690 for the GSM Nexus is worth it? I have been going back and forth on it and I think I would really like it, however I can never seem to keep an Android phone because nothing is really new with it.
Here is an example. I had the Verizon Thunderbolt, it was a nice phone, fast and really allowed Android to shine. I then saw the T-Mobile Sensation come out and it was a dual core with nice specs. Another really nice phone. But again, noting super new with Android. Not to mention T-Moble's network blows around here.
I hoped to ATT and I love the coverage and have tried the iPhone 4, 4s (current) and Skyrocket.
So, will Android 4 on the Nexus be new and improved enough to make the switch?
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Yes...........
The trouble with asking this kind of question in a galaxy nexus forum is your going to get a very biast opinion as everyone here, well mostly everyone here owns one and android users love android and apple love apple products.
Really the best advice is go and use one in a store and make up your own mind and of course watch some youtube videos about ics and gnex vs iPhone 4s. Then you be armed with the knowledge to make the right decisiin for you and your needs.
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I'd suggest going to your local Verizon store and play around with their Galaxy Nexus demo for a bit. I waited and cried about this phone not being released then when it finally was and I picked up I found myself questioning why and what about the phone was I going so crazy for and at the moment I'm a little regretful for not playing with the phone first and just ordering it online.
It's a nice phone and I know I'm a picky person but there was imo more bad than good and the stuff I think is bad may not necessarily be bad but just not as good as it should or could have been for the price and usually when I upgrade, which is once every few years when Verizon grants me a discount, I like to get the best I can get to last me those few years and the Galaxy Nexus isn't the best for me.
To be specific on the things I personally didn't care for were the camera, the battery life which is common in 4G phones but was a little worse in this phone than other 4G phones I've used. The screen was a let down, the colors and grainy banding in low light levels just looked horrible and the whole 4.65" largest screen thing was misleading to me as you hardly ever use the full screen because of the softkeys and worst of all for me was no USB Mass Storage which I used allot in my previous phone but that last one was my fault for not researching the phone more thoroughly prior to purchase.
I've always been an android user so I can't say anything bad about iOS devices although I have and use an iPad 2 and iPod touch 4 I can't imagine them being any worse as a phone.
If you can wait until the Samsung Galaxy S3, it's a beast. IMO, the Galaxy Nexus is already an outdated phone, and it will be more apparent when new phones start rolling out ICS.
Of course, there's a slew of other phones coming out in the next few months, so you'll have lots of options. That's just my opinion.
Only if you promise not to make threads about multi tasking or battery life if you end up not liking it. Which I am very sure you will like it.
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I've never owned an iPhone so maybe I'm not qualified to give my opinion, but I have handled various iPhones through the years. My buddy who's owned a couple summed it up best. The iPhone is a beautiful phone with an environment where everything "works." It's a device with a very closed, simple OS but amazing apps, where android is a very powerful, open (if you get something from the nexus line anyway) OS with decent apps. The apps make iPhone and the OS make Android.
If you crave freedom and are a power user, this is the phone for you. I've only owned android devices but I think apple makes a good phone. The problem lies in that if you want it do something that apple hasn't envisioned for the phone, then you are out of luck. Also, the iPhone 4 and up have great screens... but having owned 4inch screen and up phones for the last 2 years, it's pretty much impossible for me personally to go down to something under 4 inches. The thing just feels utterly tiny and limited with that little screen real estate.
As an aside, where Android has caught up with the UI on ICS, they really need to step up the game with their tablets. This is an area the iPad has every Android tablet beat, not even including the horsepower under the hood... device layout! I'm talking about the 4:3 format the iPad uses. Every powerful android tablet is in 16:9, and if you aren't watching movies it's a terrible aspect ratio. It's harder to hold and you give up a lot of usable area in portrait and in landscape. It works for computers with a dedicated keyboard and mouse, but on a huge touchscreen device, it's just awkward.
Edit: Biggest reason I will never own an iPhone is iTunes. Hate the program... huge bloatware on the computer and Apple forces you to use it if you want any sync with your computer. iCloud alleviates it somewhat, but it's just another way to trap you into the Apple ecosystem.
So I've always been an android dude, I have given the iPhone credit where it deserves but I never see why it sells so much. But this upcoming year looks very incrediby tough for Apple. Especially with the S3 and the One X. Do you think the same Apple lovers will still suck on Apples lolipop? Or turn to all these intense android phones?
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iPhones will continue to be bought by the following:
-Apple fanboys
-People desiring a solid product that requires minimal figuring out and runs great out of the box
-People who want a simple phone that just works
-People who shop based on price tags
-People who don't compare features
-People who feel that Apple is an elite product and want the status (redundant maybe with the first on my list...)
-People who like talking to their phones for some reason
Google will continue to attract:
-Google fanboys
-People who love tinkering with their phones
-People who love freedom and choice with their phone
-People who compare features and prices closely
-People who love cutting edge technology
-People who like screens more than 3.5" in size
-People who like green robots delicious product names
All in all, I believe it will be a wash in terms of new fans coming and going. Both have attractive features, and pros and cons. I'll never buy an iPhone, but mostly due to Apple's insane price inflation and lack of SD card expansion (also the battery being non-removable, but I've forgiven HTC for that faux pas due to the other incredible things going on with the EVO LTE).
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iPhones will continue to be bought by the following:
-Apple fanboys
-People desiring a solid product that requires minimal figuring out and runs great out of the box
-People who want a simple phone that just works
-People who shop based on price tags
-People who don't compare features
-People who feel that Apple is an elite product and want the status (redundant maybe with the first on my list...)
-People who like talking to their phones for some reason
Google will continue to attract:
-Google fanboys
-People who love tinkering with their phones
-People who love freedom and choice with their phone
-People who compare features and prices closely
-People who love cutting edge technology
-People who like screens more than 3.5" in size
-People who like green robots delicious product names
All in all, I believe it will be a wash in terms of new fans coming and going. Both have attractive features, and pros and cons. I'll never buy an iPhone, but mostly due to Apple's insane price inflation and lack of SD card expansion (also the battery being non-removable, but I've forgiven HTC for that faux pas due to the other incredible things going on with the EVO LTE).
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Insane price inflation? How much is a iPhone 4s / iPhone 4? Same as all new flagship phones.
Besides that, the iPhone 4s continues to lead in graphical performance months after release. The display is still one of the best on the market. And although Android has improved a lot, iOS continues to be the platform of choice for creative/innovative third party apps.
Btw, Android already has a bigger user base but the iPhone will continue to be the best selling single device.
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Yes, insane price inflation. On Sprint, the 16 GB is 199, the 32 GB is 299, and the 64 GB is 399. $200 more for the extra space? Come on now. That's absorbent by today's memory prices. I'll take the EVO LTE and the 16 GB internal, expandable with SD slot, plus 25 GB cloud with dropbox (for 199).
As for the camera and display, many of the latest phones can top that (see One line by HTC, among others).
I had an iPod not long ago, and I'm not much more impressed with the iStore than I am with the Play Store. Both are so vast that they seem to have anything I need.
And personally, I was quite tired of the boring OS. It was reliable though, I'll say that.
But as for sales, of course it will be the number one seller. That's like comparing Big Mac sales vs. every other burger sold at McDonalds. The beauty of Android is the choice, which creates scattered sales statistics. I don't think this shows anything much about iPhones, but it shows the diversity in Android options.
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Most 16GB Android phones are 199, many are more, so they are priced competitively. Esp considering how well Apple products hold their value. Don't add sd card, there are plenty of Android phones that won't have sdcard support as well.
None of that matters though, it will still be the best selling iPhone ever and make billions.
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Most 16GB Android phones are 199, many are more, so they are priced competitively. Esp considering how well Apple products hold their value. Don't add sd card, there are plenty of Android phones that won't have sdcard support as well.
None of that matters though, it will still be the best selling iPhone ever and make billions.
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It all comes down to personal preference obviously. I'm not knocking Apple for their making of lots of money, they obviously will. I just don't like the fact that they charge $100 for an extra 16 GB ($20 maybe?), but people are willing to pay it so they may as well.
But I'm not sure that PLENTY of Android phones won't have SD support... unless we see a complete shift over to the cloud storage. That's one of Android's selling points, I don't see companies straying from that anytime soon. Although the One X shocked me with that lack of support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw
This whole argument in a nutshell.... watch this it will change your ideals about android and iOS.... this made me appreciate android all that much more ... its a long video but watch all 4 parts... youll be surprised.
I don't know which way I'm going on my next phone but I'm sure I'm waiting to decide until the new iPhone drops this year. We'll see what's out at that point.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw
This whole argument in a nutshell.... watch this it will change your ideals about android and iOS.... this made me appreciate android all that much more ... its a long video but watch all 4 parts... youll be surprised.
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Thanks for this link. I would NEVER consider an apple product, but these videos are a fantastic illustration as to how and why Android is vastly superior to iOS
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Terrific video.
The guy presents and speaks well, with clear thoughts and sentences. Most people on YouTube sound like they're making things up as they go. This sounds like it was rehearsed - very nice video!
=] glad you got the point.... his videos aren't actually rehearsed .. he states he has no scripts this all coming from expierence/disappointment. although he loves both android and iOS but chooses android over iOS because it IS better. He's not done with all 6 parts but the first 4 are proof enough that android is more intuitive and "just works" even more efficiently than iOS.
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=] glad you got the point.... his videos aren't actually rehearsed .. he states he has no scripts this all coming from expierence/disappointment. although he loves both android and iOS but chooses android over iOS because it IS better. He's not done with all 6 parts but the first 4 are proof enough that android is more intuitive and "just works" even more efficiently than iOS.
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Haha I'm only on part two... Not sure when he talks about the lack of script. But really, he makes great points in an organized, clear, concise manner. He should be a teacher or public speaker, haha. And this is coming from a current teacher!
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I think that android grabs more to users that want to customize and make their phone truly unique and have total control. I have never messed with a jailbroken iPhone, but based on what I have heard its not nearly as customizable as a rooted droid. This helps apple keep a more stable/faster product due to simplicity. But to those like me that get bored with phones and rather than buying a new one can just grab a new rom, droid is #1.
I've switched over to the iPhone 4s and although I'm happy (for some time at least.) I do miss Android and I still very much appreciate my Evo 4g.
Although It might seem a bit dumb the main reasons I switched over was because of the screen, camera, and apps.
My Evo's charging port was also broken. If it wasn't I wouldn't have upgraded and instead gone with the new Evo this summer.
If apple doesn't step their game up majorly and the next iPhone is only a minimal upgrade from the 4s and for whatever reason they don't upgrade the damn screen size, I'm definitely going back to android.
Customization on the iPhone is a bit harder but there's plenty of themes and widgets like there is for Android and once u get the hang of it it's a piece of cake.
With these new phones having cameras as good as the iPhones, hd resolution displays, huge screens, the android market quickly catching up to apples app store (in terms of quality apps) it's hard not to go back to android. Sadly I only just upgraded 2 months ago.
Every now and then I still boot up my Evo and flash a new build of ics or miui ics just to calm my flash withdrawals.
Until the day comes that I return to android I will keep on lurking these forums like a creep
A lot of people do not realize that apple cannot change their products mainly because of their business plan. This is because they Bulk buy their parts. They pretty much have to leave it up to their amazing PR department to sell their consumers on the products they are going to release without the influence of other products on the market. Basically the next iPhone 5 is decided by their supply, not the market so any information given right now is pure speculation.
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That video is preaching to the choir. We know the advantages of Android all too well. The reality os a majority of iPhone users have already made up their mind they want it and don't even bother to cross shop or even think about Android/WP7. It simply doesn't matter. I don't really want to call people like this stupid, they aren't interested in efficiency or configuring, they just want to use the simple, limited UI iOS has.
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I've switched over to the iPhone 4s and although I'm happy (for some time at least.) I do miss Android and I still very much appreciate my Evo 4g.
Although It might seem a bit dumb the main reasons I switched over was because of the screen, camera, and apps.
My Evo's charging port was also broken. If it wasn't I wouldn't have upgraded and instead gone with the new Evo this summer.
If apple doesn't step their game up majorly and the next iPhone is only a minimal upgrade from the 4s and for whatever reason they don't upgrade the damn screen size, I'm definitely going back to android.
Customization on the iPhone is a bit harder but there's plenty of themes and widgets like there is for Android and once u get the hang of it it's a piece of cake.
With these new phones having cameras as good as the iPhones, hd resolution displays, huge screens, the android market quickly catching up to apples app store (in terms of quality apps) it's hard not to go back to android. Sadly I only just upgraded 2 months ago.
Every now and then I still boot up my Evo and flash a new build of ics or miui ics just to calm my flash withdrawals.
Until the day comes that I return to android I will keep on lurking these forums like a creep
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I'm sorry to hear this... I'm surprised you didn't go to the E4GT for your new phone... that has a big screen, great resolution, hardware, camera, etc. Any reason you passed that up for the iPhone 4s? Just wanted to try something new?
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Although It might seem a bit dumb the main reasons I switched over was because of the screen, camera, and apps)
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Weird comment. Seems like those are exactly the reasons you would AVOID apple. Interesting and puzzling argument to make.
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Award Tour said:
Insane price inflation? How much is a iPhone 4s / iPhone 4? Same as all new flagship phones.
Besides that, the iPhone 4s continues to lead in graphical performance months after release. The display is still one of the best on the market. And although Android has improved a lot, iOS continues to be the platform of choice for creative/innovative third party apps.
Btw, Android already has a bigger user base but the iPhone will continue to be the best selling single device.
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For ur comment on insane price - in India - unlocked iPhone - 900-1,000$
unlocked One X - 700$
And rest of Asia iPhone is expensive minimum by 100$ (depends on country) as compared to android flagships.
Will you say there is no price difference??
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I think this is depends personals preference. To me, I prefer the iPhone, and have collected many nice resources and free apps for it, such as:
http://www.enolsoft.com/blog/must-have-iphone-4s-apps/
http://mashable.com/2012/02/10/free-iphone-apps-every-day/
For your information, this "10 Things iPhone Does Better Than Android" could be reference.
And now there is not iPhone 5, only iPhone 4S.
So i'm getting fed up with sprint atm since i use my phone alot and while originally my service was great the 3g speed now are unbearable due to how often i need to access files from my servers and just general usage, I'm contemplating on waiting to get an iphone 5 or Grab the Galaxy s3 right now. I've used an iphone 2g before i upgrade to the HTC evo 4g and i say i like both operating system. But i do like how integrated everything is in iOS. =( oh decisions decision.
>_> Asking this in a GSIII forum?
GSIII. hands down. Android > iOS
There's no way I could warrant waiting for an unannounced device period, even a nexus. I say go for the gs3 u can't lose
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So i'm getting fed up with sprint atm since i use my phone alot and while originally my service was great the 3g speed now are unbearable due to how often i need to access files from my servers and just general usage, I'm contemplating on waiting to get an iphone 5 or Grab the Galaxy s3 right now. I've used an iphone 2g before i upgrade to the HTC evo 4g and i say i like both operating system. But i do like how integrated everything is in iOS. =( oh decisions decision.
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The iphone 5 is already out. It's called the 4s. Orig Iphone, Iphone 3g, 3gs, 4, 4S = 5. I wouldn't get the 4S I would def go with the GSIII. I am getting a new iphone when they come out to sell on Ebay to the people who are willing to pay way too much for overnight shipping, but I'll be keeping my GSIII for me to use.
mystax said:
So i'm getting fed up with sprint atm since i use my phone alot and while originally my service was great the 3g speed now are unbearable due to how often i need to access files from my servers and just general usage, I'm contemplating on waiting to get an iphone 5 or Grab the Galaxy s3 right now. I've used an iphone 2g before i upgrade to the HTC evo 4g and i say i like both operating system. But i do like how integrated everything is in iOS. =( oh decisions decision.
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Hahahahaha! Okay, now that that is out of the way, GS3 for sure. I too used to use iPhones.. 3/4. Then my buddy showed me a GS2 rooted w/ custom rom. Sold. Got the GS3 the day it was released and gave my iPhone 4 to my girlfriend. Obviously, I hate her. I digress though, I love my GS3 and I do not regret the switch. Running custom ICS AOKP rom and I love it!
That is a no brainer imo. I used to have an iPhone and they don't even come close to the SGSIII. If you like to customize your phone you have to go with the SIII or another Android phone but the SIII is the best on the market I think.
hrmm guess i'll skip on the iphone. Hrmm since i'm stayong android that bring me to the question of unlock galaxy nexus on prepaid or subsided s3 on att hrmm.
>_> Asking this in a GSIII forum?
GSIII. hands down. Android > iOS
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I went through a similar thought process recently, coming from 4+ years with an iPhone (3G & 4). Made the switch because a) I was bored (not necessarily rational, but always fun to try something new, plus girlfriend needed a new phone), and b) I wanted a bigger screen. I can tell you now that the iPhone 4 feels far too small in my hands and I couldn't go back. Keep in mind that there is a 0% chance the iPhone 5 will have anything larger than a 4" screen, so that may make your decision easier if that is something that is important to you.
I do not regret my decision. At first I found Android side of things to be less "polished", but the customization couldn't be beat. But frankly, now that I've discovered CM10, I feel that I finally gave the phone I've always wanted. While some of the TouchWiz features were neat, I feel that Samsung's theming, etc. really cluttered and complicated things, and that vanilla Android is much more on par with the iPhone in terms of polish and ease of use. I really question some of their design decisions.
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hrmm guess i'll skip on the iphone. Hrmm since i'm stayong android that bring me to the question of unlock galaxy nexus on prepaid or subsided s3 on att hrmm.
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I had that exact same question... i decided on the sgs3 with att because I expected cyanogen to be developed for it, and I knew it could be rooted easily. Plus it is a really badass chunk of hardware...
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Wait for the new NEXUS in like November.
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I moved from sprint to at&t like 2 weeks ago. Costs the same. Better data speed , coverage, phones and customer care. Only regret is not switching along time ago. AT&T for the win!
I had a 4s and a gs2 on sprint. Now I have a hox and a gs3. Never going back to an iPhone. Restrictive OS. Boring and dull UI. ITunes. No Widgets! No I'm good on all that.only good thing iPhone had going for it was great camera and battery life. IMO maybe android wasn't better in like GB form (even though I think it was), ICS and JB are wwwwaaaayyy better than OSX.
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what do you mean by how everything is intergrated in iOS?
as a phone Samsung was always better than iPhone. Battery is replaceable and memory is expandable. AMOLED screen.
iPhone 5 is a big unknown. Remember antenna issues? Or yellow tint screens? Or sudden cracks on the case? Wanna be Apple beta tester?
iPhone 4S got great battery life, smooth OS and tons of apps going for it.
I say wait for the "iPhone 5" if you can and then see what the Samsung response to that phone is =)
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Do you like to tweak your phone?
If you want to play with your phone, and have as much control over how it behaves as possible then get an android phone hands down.
The reason I chose the S III was because I enjoyed my S I, and because I know there is a huge community around this phone that is working around the clock customizing third party ROMS. If you want to hack your phone, the S III community is the best.
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...Got the GS3 the day it was released and gave my iPhone 4 to my girlfriend. Obviously, I hate her...
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Thank you for the digression! Had a good laugh over that one.
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I decided no more iPhones until they actually make a killer device. This hasn't been done since the iPhone 4. The iPhones are slower and do less. I say gs3 all the way until apple throws in 2gb of ram and a killer processor and graphics chip. I dislike lag and that's what the iPhone will ultimately get you (even the new one).
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As has been stated, this might not be the most neutral place to ask this question... still, here's my story:
I work in an office where *everyone* has an iPhone except me, with my faithful GS3. Previously I had an HTC Desire, which is a nice enough phone but doesn't compare all that well with the iPhone 4S... ever since I got my GS3, people are actually jealous of my phone (people that know nothing about cell phones) and are asking the IT guy why they can't have an awesome phone like me... lol
So long story short, the GS3 is superior to the iPhone 4S in pretty much every respect. Unless you want to wait to see what Apple cooks up for the next generation (and you can bet at this point in the game Samsung/HTC will stay ahead of them, they are already ahead), get yourself a GS3 - hands down the best smartphone on the market right now.
Gargamel has a point.. Wrong place to ask since this is a S3 spot. Though my input is basically the same. I had iphone lovers but once they saw my customization and showing them what the phone can really do they got on android. I also went through all iphones and also currently have an iphone 4 along side my S3. Let me say LTE on AT&T is great.... Iphone got 4.xx MB/S while my S3 got 60 MB/S. I use my S3 more than the iphone lets say that lol. I run into so many iphones with problems it isn't even funny. I do repairs on them on the side for fun.