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A recent article by Android and me commented on the new chips set in the galaxy S and its supposed 90 million triangles a second compared to the nexus ones 20 million,
making the galaxy a superior gaming device,
will desire have the same power as the nexus as they share basically the same chip set?
Love to hear your thoughts !
Yes. It is using same Snapdragon chipset.
stickyasglue said:
A recent article by Android and me commented on the new chips set in the galaxy S and its supposed 90 million triangles a second compared to the nexus ones 20 million,
making the galaxy a superior gaming device,
will desire have the same power as the nexus as they share basically the same chip set?
Love to hear your thoughts !
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/26/samsungs-galaxy-s-has-four-times-the-polygon-power-of-snapdrago/
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Yes, I already have read this article... Would love to get the Samsung, but Samsung Update policy is seriously bad!
Got the I7500 and I swore not to buy another Samsung device.
and here is a comparison of the gpus:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
I know the fact the desire is htc makes it appealing,
but that chip set is too good to miss,
the UI sucks on the samsung as well,
but still that chipset nags
I guess we need to wait and see when both are out and running games, i mean the droid has lower specs according to this and can run a few games better than the nexus,
I just dont want to buy a desire then realise that the chipset is outdated with a few months
Sadly that statement will always be the same, no matter what phone you get now there will be something better not to far down the line, you can end up waiting forever if you want the best.
I never really got into gaming on mobiles i can't see the point they look rubbish.
ye but i mean the galaxy is out now as well i meant as games develop and the desire would fall to the galaxy s
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ye but i mean the galaxy is out now as well i meant as games develop and the desire would fall to the galaxy s
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the galaxy is out now?! Oo.. i don´t think so, it´s due in july i think..
stickyasglue said:
A recent article by Android and me commented on the new chips set in the galaxy S and its supposed 90 million triangles a second compared to the nexus ones 20 million,
making the galaxy a superior gaming device,
will desire have the same power as the nexus as they share basically the same chip set?
Love to hear your thoughts !
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Pretty irrelevant unfortunately as Samsung offer terrible hardware support so all that power will only be to the detriment of battery life.
I don't care if it has a quad core NASA processor in it; Samsung won't develop any means of utilising it and the Galaxy S will prove to be a powerful letdown just like the Omnia HD. I will never buy a Samsung phone again. They can suck my fat one.
The-Nazgul said:
Yes, I already have read this article... Would love to get the Samsung, but Samsung Update policy is seriously bad!
Got the I7500 and I swore not to buy another Samsung device.
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Galaxy S is a "with google" android phone. I expect this means better Google support
S5PC110 1Ghz (is the latest Intrinsity ARM Cortex-A8 based processor, A.K.A "Hummingbird", 45 nm with Fast14 tech and ARM NEON extensions) + PowerVR SGX540 (better GPU that iphone's 3GS previous PowerVR SGX535) + 4 inchs Super AMOLED screen= winner
But they have there own interface. So direct updates by google arent possible.
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But they have there own interface. So direct updates by google arent possible.
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No touchWiz UI inside Galaxy S. If you are talking about APIs then I don't know.
Samsung Galaxy is indeed more powerful compare to HTC Desire, but I personally would wait HTC product to top that
At this moment, HTC Desire is much more than enough, at least for me and it is sexier ... While the Samsung Galaxy is more like iPhone which I dont like at all. I dont want to be associated with any Apple product!
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Galaxy S is a "with google" android phone. I expect this means better Google support
S5PC110 1Ghz (is the latest Intrinsity ARM Cortex-A8 based processor, A.K.A "Hummingbird", 45 nm with Fast14 tech and ARM NEON extensions) + PowerVR SGX540 (better GPU that iphone's 3GS PowerVR SGX535) + 4 inchs Super AMOLED screen= winner
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I'm an H.T.C. fan too!. HTC build the thinnest phones and this is sexy but now the concept thin implies superAMOLED. If HTC build superAMOLED devices I'll be their first customer.
PD: I can assure you that Apple will never release an Android phone.
gogol said:
Samsung Galaxy is indeed more powerful compare to HTC Desire, but I personally would wait HTC product to top that
At this moment, HTC Desire is much more than enough, at least for me and it is sexier ... While the Samsung Galaxy is more like iPhone which I dont like at all. I dont want to be associated with any Apple product!
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Does 'with google' really mean anything or do people just assume it means constant updates? I don't see Android 2.1 on the Magic or G1....I'm sure that they're perfectly capable of running it with perhaps the exclusion of live wallpapers.
Fact that It's Samsung is enough to turn me off, their phones have been nothing but letdowns for me, and that shiny plasticy Samsung 'look' is wearing a bit thin now.
HTC have proven that a device can be better than its competitors just because of the software. compare the Hero with, say the Motorola Dext: the Dext has everything the hero has, a nice build quality and a pretty nice hardware keyboard BUT the MOTOblur software is ugly, confusing crap and as a result the user experience is pretty crap. If HTC had made the Dext I'd be using it now as I love the build quality
dupped, Sorry!
'with google' can't fight against lack of RAM.
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Does 'with google' really mean anything or do people just assume it means constant updates? I don't see Android 2.1 on the Magic or G1....I'm sure that they're perfectly capable of running it with perhaps the exclusion of live wallpapers.
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So basically 'with Google' is a bit of a cludge.
I assumed that the core of 2.1 was transferable across all spec and that the Nexus One's embelllishments we exclusive to that phone. If not then there's going to be nothing to set the Nexus one apart from everything else once more 'with Google' devices start rolling out.
This poll is created to see how popular each of those WP7 devices are.
Personally, I don't like WP7 because of its unattractive UI look (and that's my opinion). But if I had to choose one WP7 device, it would be Samsung Focus. That is IF it's true that the keyboard is more impressive than the stock Android keyboard, as said by some reviewers/editors. But if that's not true, then I would go with Dell Venue Pro or HTC 7 PRO (cuz both has a physical QWERTY keyboard).
Now, which WP7 device would be your fav. one? Also, pls vote and explain why!
(So, most people like HD7. Simply because of its big screen, but besides that what device-feature would also turn people on?)
I'm torn.
HTC Surround because it HTC and its on AT&T which I already have.
HD7 because of the screen.
LG Quantum because of the DLNA, and again, it's on AT&T.
Trophy looks nice but not available in US to my knowledge.
Put those all together with a 1.5 ghz dual core, add an HDMI out and you've got the perfect phone.
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I'm torn.
HTC Surround because it HTC and its on AT&T which I already have.
HD7 because of the screen.
LG Quantum because of the DLNA, and again, it's on AT&T.
Trophy looks nice but not available in US to my knowledge.
Put those all together with a 1.5 ghz dual core, add an HDMI out and you've got the perfect phone.
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Ok, thanks for ur comment! But choose only one and which one will it be???
I'd go with the HD7... Just like my HD2 Nice Big Screen... And on T-Mobile US
rolling with the samsung
samsung is the one for me Super AMOLED 4 inch screen just the right size, the super thin, and the best feature of all external sd after adding my 32 gb sd card will have the largest storage available of 40gb!!!
For me on Tmobile it'll naturally be the HD7 or the Venue. I've ALWAYS had a qwerty keyboard for the longest I can remember when they first popped up, which draws me to the Venue, but the sleek slim-ness of the HD7 is also appealing. At the end of the day I'm set on the Venue unless the on-screen keyboard blows me away to want to replace a physical keyboard, which I doubt, but only time will tell.
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samsung is the one for me Super AMOLED 4 inch screen just the right size, the super thin, and the best feature of all external sd after adding my 32 gb sd card will have the largest storage available of 40gb!!!
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Source pelase? The only confirmed one with expandable memory up to 40gb is the Cetus, not the Omnia7. Though, if you swap the microsd, you'll be factory resetting the whole thing. ><
Back to the thread I'd go for the 16gb version of the Omnia7. Reviews of the HD7 state that the old screen tech really shows, not comparable to IPS, SLCD and AMOLED. Thought the screen is big
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Source pelase? The only confirmed one with expandable memory up to 40gb is the Cetus, not the Omnia7. Though, if you swap the microsd, you'll be factory resetting the whole thing. ><
Back to the thread I'd go for the 16gb version of the Omnia7. Reviews of the HD7 state that the old screen tech really shows, not comparable to IPS, SLCD and AMOLED. Thought the screen is big
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i am speaking of the Cetus i am on att...
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i am speaking of the Cetus i am on att...
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rofl my bad. Wish the Omnia7 had that ><
Engadget is stating that all HTC devices use the newer MSM8250 chipset.... If this is true, makes the choice even harder for me since the Omnia 7 uses the older QSD8250
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rofl my bad. Wish the Omnia7 had that ><
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just think with the 32gb sd card the samsung will have that largest storage on any device!!
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Engadget is stating that all HTC devices use the newer MSM8250 chipset.... If this is true, makes the choice even harder for me since the Omnia 7 uses the older QSD8250
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Pretty sure they aren't The MS Windows Phone 7 site has the specs, and they all say QSD8250
Only the LG phones use the newer snapdragon processors and gpu...does that mean they'll have better battery life?
HD7..it wins hands down..lovely clean and neat design.....wht else do u want??
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Only the LG phones use the newer snapdragon processors and gpu...does that mean they'll have better battery life?
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LG uses QSD8650 wich is also 1st generation with 65nm technology. Wish there could be some units with the MSM8x55 chipset with 45nm technology and better gpu. I guess we will see that in models coming out in spring. It's pretty clear all the manufacturers are just releasing models that are up to microsofts minimum specs in the first wave just so they have something "new" to release in spring. It's not surprising they want to make as much money as possible.
As for the question in the thread. I would probably choose LG Optimus 7 just for the 16GB storage and the DLNA feature. If all phones had DLNA i would choose Samsung Omnia 7 or HTC 7 Mozart.
I'm on an HD2 at the mo and out of the 3 that I can get in the UK (HD7, Mozart, Trophy) the Mozart gets my attention the most. The HD7 is an HD2 with less buttons, a kickstand and WinMo7, the Trophy is smaller but still only has a 5mp camera, the Mozart has an alluminium chasis and an 8mp camera as well as being smaller than the HD7 so thats the best out of the 3 for me as I either wanted the same spec in a smaller package or better spec in the same package.
for me it'd be the Pro, but that's out 2011, and it'll be tough to wait
it's hard to choose. either the Trophy, or the Mozart, or the HD7...
You left one out.
HTC HD7 PRO.
This is the phone that I would choose.
The HTC 7 PRO is sort of like my HTC Touch Pro2 in size. That is why I would not want to choose that one. If I was new to the smartphone and this would be my first smartphone, then I would most likely choose the HTC 7 PRO. But, This would be my 4th HTC purchase. From the HTC TOUCH, to HTC TOUCH PRO, to HTC TOUCH PRO2 ( 2 of them, 1 for my wife & 1 for me ), and now awaiting the next purchase of an HTC phone.
HTC Desire HD
HTC HD7 please
I'm currently using HD2. I think i'd probably go for the HD7 Pro, but at first glance I don't like the UI and none of the WP7s have a card slot and are limited to 8 or 16gb.
Will probably stay away from WP7 to be honest.
http://www.wpcentral.com/ballmer-mango-phones-coming-christmas
I reallllly hope I'm not right (I'm calling early/mid 2012 for Mango).
Did you come across the some of the 2nd generation phones announced today?
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-reveals-new-samsung-mango-device
Really liking the new Samsung.
That one he pulled out of his pocket looked wicked.
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That one he pulled out of his pocket looked wicked.
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If your look at the video in 720p, you can see a spot towards the top left of the phone....Is that a front camera spot ?
certainly looks like a ffc and leave it to samsung to do it...
HTC/LG your move
Ya, I believe one of the articles I've read (Engadget?) leaned toward it having a front-facing camera.
We just have to wait I guess, until we can get a higher quality video to confirm.
sure haven't said:
http://www.wpcentral.com/ballmer-mango-phones-coming-christmas
I reallllly hope I'm not right (I'm calling early/mid 2012 for Mango).
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I think people are taking that comment WAY to literally. I can guarantee that he did not mean "arriving in stores on Christmas day". He meant for the Christmas shopping season. Which, for most people in the manufacturing and retail industries means "late October" .
Besides, we still don't know which will come first, new Mango devices, or the release of the Mango update to carriers for existing phones.
That's a GSII with WP7. Same as the original GS that became the Focus.
Can OEMs use dual core processors with WP7?
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Can OEMs use dual core processors with WP7?
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Yep. If they want to. They can go above and beyond the minimum specs at their discretion as long as they at least meet them.
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If your look at the video in 720p, you can see a spot towards the top left of the phone....Is that a front camera spot ?
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Could be. But if you look at the Optimus 7 it looks like it has a front facing camera. However it doesn't. Could be the same thing.
I hope we are WOWed....as of now, no hardware wows any of us
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I do not believe so. Microsoft is being strick on Hardware. I believe their writing the chipset drivers themselves, which is why it's only Snapdragon 1st gen right now. They want to avoid the horrible driver issues that happened on WM, especial HTC & their crappy 3D drivers. Mango adds some 2nd gen Snapdragon support, but haven't seen anything dual core yet. Nevermind the fact that WP7 doesn't need it yet.
hopefully , ballmer will have enough sense to wait a little while AFTER the iphone 5 release... otherwise there's no point with the release.
no dualcores ? man, I hadn't heard that yet. there could be some awesome camera apps with that benefit.
I don't think anyone really need dual core atm, I was just asking to guess if Samsung could use the exact same hardware for wp7.
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They will just like they did with the Galaxy S -> Focus. Just remove some hardware stuff.
Part of me says Yea, for Dual cores, then another side does not...
Nice thing about WP7 now, everything runs on Every device but, once you get into to dual core CPUs, there will be games made for the dual core that don't run on the signle core...
So you would need to upgrade if you want to run everything...
Just like my windows PC that I have to spend about $600 a year (every 3 years about $1200) so I can run every game on the market with no slow downs and awsome frame rates..
we don't really need dual core at the moment.. games would get better, but devs still have to consider the first gen hardware..
It would be nice if WP7 phones were modular. You could replace components with upgraded ones. The latest CPU a dual core? No problem! Just flip a back panel open and pop in the dual core. Need a FFC? No problem! Just pop off the small front panel and plug in the FFC. Need an upgraded GPU? No problem! Just open up the cover and replace the existing one with the latest from ATi or nVidia.
Sounds a lot like custom computers but would be a boon for WP7.
I'm almost sure we will see mango + devices just in time for christmas, if all goes well, or more probably due to some hiccup in super-improving your new os version and devices, for your enjoyment, they will have to make it slide to january, which in turn means that most people will get the mango update in february/march. I think the first mango+nokia phones will be ready almost too late for christmas
looking to switch from an epic 4g to either a nexus or droid 4 (both are only $99). Can anyone give input on which you think would be the better of the two and why? The phone is used for calls, a few apps here and there but mainly for email and internet surfing (and tethering from time to time).
I do like having the full slide out keyboard, but it's not something that would kill me if it was missing as I have to use the on screen keyboards for my work iphone... It is handy but not a deciding factor - any info is appreciated!
Nexus all the way! Bad ass screen and ICS!
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If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.
i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then
selfinfliction said:
i don't think there are any other phones with slide out keyboards worth a crap on verizon other than the droid, is there? The samsung stratosphere, but it looked to be old technology.
if anyone can, could you check out the phones listed for verizon on wirefly.com and tell me which one is the best model? i work in the IT field with double bachelor's degrees, but couldn't tell you the first thing about these damn phones other than elementary specs because every time i turn the computer on there are new ones coming out.
The sprint lady said we had until March 13th or 14th iirc to get out of the contract with no termination fee so whatever we decide on, it has to be done before then
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As I said above, if you don't need the keyboard, the Nexus is the winner all the way. The only reason to get the Droid 4 is the keyboard honestly. Because if you didn't need the keyboard it'd be between the RAZR MAXX and the GN, and even then unless you need the battery, the GN wins again.
Droid 4 has terrible ghosting when it comes to their screen. Check the Androidpolice review of the D4. It has a video demonstrating it.
Galaxy Nexus is a pretty bad ass device. I was coming from an Epic 4G Touch on Sprint and while that phone spec wise is better then the GN, there is just something about this phone that just makes it a winner.
The GN was was to big of a device for my wife so I got her an HTC Rezound. Still a little big for her but definitely better then the GN. The Rezound has a dual core 1.5ghz processor and a 720p screen resolution. Camera is also pretty good on that phone.
This is my first Nexus device and I must say I am liking the pure Android experience.
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
martonikaj said:
If you don't need the hardware keyboard, I don't see how you ever consider the Droid 4 over the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus absolutely crushes it.
Honestly if you're gonna compare a Moto device to the GN you should be comparing the RAZR MAXX to the Galaxy Nexus.
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Well said.
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after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.
As someone who's used both, the ONLY thing the D4 has is it's physical keyboard. The functionality of the Nexus versus the D4 isn't even in the same league! I switched over from the DROID series to the Nexus just recently and couldn't be any more satisfied.
selfinfliction said:
after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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While the genex doesn't have the greatest hardware specs, it will have the longest support life. Most phones are lucky to get one software update, the nexus line will have software updates to the latest version of android for quite some time. Plus ICS is optimized for the genex hardware.
By far the best phone I have had, even with the stock rom.
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i'm sure it is a great phone, but these are some of the same camera specs that were on phones literally from 2010 and if i buy something that already has antiquated hardware this year, then i'll be stuck with it until 2014 and that's just not a good decision on my part.
Coming from a Droid X that has ran everything from Apex to Tranquility. Simply put, the Galaxy Nexus is the best phone on the market because of Ice Cream Sandwich. It is everything people make it out to be. I've only had the phone for about a week, and I will only buy Nexus phones from here on out. I'm running Android 4.0.4 unlocked and rooted. You do not need to change kernels or Rom the phone. ICS is perfect. I might consider overclocking in the future as I've read that the CPU in the Galaxy Nexus was underclocked from factory.
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after some more research, i think we're going to hold off. we were looking at the specs of current phones compared to our epic's from 2010 and there isn't much that has changed other than the addition of dual core cpu's. it would really be a waste for us to get new phones now and be stuck with them for two years when the galaxy s3 and a few other quad core phones with possibly 16mp cameras will be coming out this summer.
having an original ICS phone would be good, but not enough to make us sacrifice getting outdated hardware for it. I was actually really surprised to see the nexus to have such low specs with all of the anxiety they produced in december.
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Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.
At this point waiting for the galaxy 3 would be smart. Especially with the simultaneous release rumors.
dario3040 said:
Laughable, you don't the deserve a great device like the Galaxy Nexus.
Let me give you a few hints too:
1. The Galaxy S 3 doesn't have to be quad core, we have already seen Qualcomm's Krait destroy Tegra 3, quad core is just a gimmick.
Samsung are making dual core Exynos processor which might or might not appear in the Galaxy S 3.
2. The part where you said 16 megapixel camera was very funny.
I highly doubt you would ever print anything that big, not that your printer would be big enough anyway, also there would be no benefit of having that resolution on the phone.
But I guess it's ok if you like big useless numbers?
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Nah, even 3D gaming wouldn't benefit too much from a quad core, only if the game was physics or AI heavy.
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are you 15 years old? I don't "deserve" to have a specific phone? that's such a childish comment, the rest of your post doesn't even deserve an acknowledgement by dissecting it and providing the proper information.
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Would love to know what you will be able to due with a quad core phone that you cannot do with a dual core phone. How much faster do we really need these processors? These are mobile operating systems that don't even take advantage of dual cores none the less quad cores.
My wife has a Rezound, dual core 1.5ghz processor and an EVO View Tab single core 1.5ghz processor. Do you think her Rezound does anything her tab can't? Do you think one feels faster then the other? I am not even sure they benchmark any differently although I haven't tested them up to each other.
Bottom line, single cores can get the job done plus when quad core phones get released you will start hearing about octo cores or something.
Do you think a webpage will open up quicker with a quad core device? Nope...The only thing it might help with is 3D gaming but no developer is going to limit their games to only quad cores anyway because that would take away from there profits of everyone else who does not own a quad core phone.
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oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong
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oh i agree that phones now do a decent job, heck i'm still happy with my epic 4g that's nearly 2 years old. but the thing is, why would i pay the same price for antiquated equipment now (the nexus) when I know for a fact that much better stuff is coming out in a few months? That's like going to a car lot and buying a 2009 camaro for $45,000 when you can wait a few months and buy a 2010 corvette for $45,000. see what i mean? it just doesn't make good sense when i've got a phone that already works for what i need it to do.
but there is something that no one is considering here, what everyone keeps comparing these quad core phones to is dual core and single core processors running SINGLE THREAD applications, because there are not that many multi-threaded apps out for phones yet. I'm going to be stuck with whatever I get for 2 years out, and will guarantee that by the end of this year as apps get more complex and programmers get deeper into their thing, they will start using multi threads on most stuff, especially the droid OS itself.
i'm not sure how old you are(you may have seen this develop as well), but i've been working in the computer industry for over 13 years now and this is the identical issue as what happened when multi-core cpu's came out for computers. people were screaming bloody murder and how senseless multiple cores were on a computer and now i don't even think the cheapest cpu's are single core. I couldn't tell you how many times that people were hating on the multi-core cpu's talking about how their single core p4's were the best. As soon as they started programming multi-thread applications, those guys put their heads back in the ostrich holes because they knew they were wrong
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Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare
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Mr been in the industry for 13 years... I been in it for like 4 years and even I know that about the only multithreaded mainstream programs used in desktops are computer games and even then its rare
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there are plenty of database applications that utilize multi-threads, we actually have a couple of GIS mapping programs and plugins that use 16 cores at a time. ( you'd be surprised how processing intensive 500-1000mb maps with 50 or 75 layers is ) I can't get into the specifics of it, but there are hundreds if not thousands of every day applications that take advantage of simultaneous multithreading. what i manage is just a microscopic amount of what is available.
You'll have to forgive me because i'm not up on phones too much but i would say i'm fairly decent with computers, after all i do have an associates in network systems, a bachelors in information systems security, and am finishing up with my masters of information systems in June. Just these damn phones change so much and i don't have time to keep up with anything that doesn't have to do with school or work.
I really didn't mean to offend anyone about their nexus if this is where the thread is going, just because i don't think it's a good deal for me, doesn't mean it's not a good deal for someone else. heck, i've really been super happy with my epic since i switched it over to ICS, that makes a world of difference even on an old phone so i'm sure it runs great on the nexus as well.
so seriously how long was the one x htc flagships phone for, they seem to be bringing out bigger and better all the time!
one x+
this new htc j
im not overly impressed i thought me one x was gunna be flagship for a while yet, why not make what u have better rather than replacing,,
cnuts
It's still the flagship
the J is not out anywhere but Japan and the One X+ is just a tiny refresh of the same damn thing with the same damn software
but no lets all hug and cry
"One X+ is just a tiny refresh of the same damn thing with the same damn software"
this is my problem get it right first time!! and u dnt need to "refresh" f all
hold me
dan281082 said:
"One X+ is just a tiny refresh of the same damn thing with the same damn software"
this is my problem get it right first time!! and u dnt need to "refresh" f all
hold me
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think of it this way if ur willing to pay more and get a 64GB version you will get few extras with it
its a smartphone company, its all they do, unlike apple, samsung, sony, google and the rest of the damn world
believe me when i tell you Tegra 3 is already at the maximum of its architectural limit, 1500 or 1700mhz will not make a different, as for the GPU if you are are rooted we have unlocked it long ago
yesterday we OC test GPU OC beyond 520mhz and got no benefits, the chip is already bottle-necked by it's bandwith
HTC is following two line, Tegra and Snapdragon
it terms of Tegra the next flagship will be the Tegra 4
Still feels like a flagship phone to me, i still have a great sense of satisfaction when i hold/use the phone and the smoothness of JB and the quality of the screen even after owning it for 6 months! Also how everything has come along with the UI since original release. This is still the flagship!!!!
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It's still the flagship
the J is not out anywhere but Japan and the One X+ is just a tiny refresh of the same damn thing with the same damn software
but no lets all hug and cry
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I have to disagree hamdir...
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support and GLONASS . There is a new chip in town.
Its a huge refresh for me, (emphasis on me) who is using the phone as his primary navigation device. (daily about 1 hour) Sometimes more on long runs/drives.
GLONASS on it could do me wonders.
GPS is good but could be better I already owned a hybrid GPS and GLONASS device and it was better.
Having the money I would do the switch . Again emphasis on the I.
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I have to disagree hamdir...
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support and GLONASS . There is a new chip in town.
Its a huge refresh for me, (emphasis on me) who is using the phone as his primary navigation device. (daily about 1 hour) Sometimes more on long runs/drives.
GLONASS on it could do me wonders.
GPS is good but could be better I already owned a hybrid GPS and GLONASS device and it was better.
Having the money I would do the switch . Again emphasis on the I.
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and did you not know it missed GLONASS and AGPS when you bought it?
hence it's a tiny refresh, the basic design, software and main features did not change, only improved slightly, not is denying its improved but it certainly does not replace
for many people its not even worth the extra cost (if they are buying the One X right now)
@ Hamdir;The J Butterfly might get a Verizon release in the US.
I still consider the HOX a flagship handset (For android anyway, not thinking about the new Windows handsets here), the One X+ has such minute 'upgrades' that it's laughable, it's only been tweaked a little bit and as Hmadir said the J Butterfly is atm a Japan only release until Verizon possibly get it for the US.
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@ Hamdir;The J Butterfly might get a Verizon release in the US.
I still consider the HOX a flagship handset (For android anyway, not thinking about the new Windows handsets here), the One X+ has such minute 'upgrades' that it's laughable, it's only been tweaked a little bit and as Hmadir said the J Butterfly is atm a Japan only release until Verizon possibly get it for the US.
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we will know if it comes on the 29th as a Google Nexus and even if it did, it doesn't replace HTC's flagship
There is internal discussion at HTC about the so many phone release its true, seems like they are split in two camps, but all i'm saying the current One X was not suddenly rendered "outdated" it still has the qualities of the flagship and still getting both firmware and app support as we go, its not HTC's fault if you can't resist the urge of having the "latest and greatest"
If they suddenly released the One 2X, with SLCD3 Tegra4 and 13MB camera after 6 months of outing the One X, than yes i would be seriously pissed
HTC's flagship should have the best of all technology and new features, a new HTC sense, new Android, new design, a global release, a new SOC, a new screen to be considered a flaghsip, im pretty sure the J falls into this category (except Sense) but so far it doesn't seem HTC is willing to go global with it, if they do they will have to throw their entire stock of the just announced One X+
5 months I would say for the UK- what a joke.
Then HTC wonder why people think (and they think) they have no strategy except to react to the shinier phones.
To be honest it seems in Android land, 6 months is about the max any device remains 'flagship'.... Given mobile phone contracts are ever increasing in length (duration) to subsidise handsets, it's a bit of a gip when your new killer phone is usurped after such a short time.
Does it make your purchase any less affective, not really... But it is certainly a total buzz kill.
iOS users get 12 months.
Windows mobile users (excluding those who purchased the Nokia Lumia 900 in the US as Nokia came late to the windows phone 7 party) generally get 18 months.
BB users get at least 12 months (often 18) too.
So yeah, 6 months as King of the Hill isn't great (especially from the same manufacturer), and actually it's less than that if you factor in other manufacturers of Android devices who out pace each other incrementally.
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we will know if it comes on the 29th as a Google Nexus and even if it did, it doesn't replace HTC's flagship
This is true, if it was part of the Nexus range it won't impact upon HTC's flagship line
There is internal discussion at HTC about the so many phone release its true, seems like they are split in two camps, but all i'm saying the current One X was not suddenly rendered "outdated" it still has the qualities of the flagship and still getting both firmware and app support as we go, its not HTC's fault if you can't resist the urge of having the "latest and greatest"
I remember seeing a Press Release from HTC saying that in 2011 they diluted the market with too many handsets and that in 2012 they were only going to release a few, their 'latest & greatest'... so much for that plan!
If they suddenly released the One 2X, with SLCD3 Tegra4 and 13MB camera after 6 months of outing the One X, than yes i would be seriously pissed
Too right! Wouldn't we all be!
HTC's flagship should have the best of all technology and new features, a new HTC sense, new Android, new design, a global release, a new SOC, a new screen to be considered a flaghsip, im pretty the J falls into this category (except Sense) but so far it doesn't seem HTC is willing to go global with it, if they do they will have to throw their entire stock of the just announced One X+
That'd be a waste of good money and R&D time!
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As above
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and did you not know it missed GLONASS and AGPS when you bought it?
hence it's a tiny refresh, the basic design, software and main features did not change, only improved slightly, not is denying its improved but it certainly does not replace
for many people its not even worth the extra cost (if they are buying the One X right now)
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ofc I did know that.. You didn't??? Its not my first phone, and not my first android, or htc phone... I am a consumer that reads before he buys..Not by "Oh look its so cute, lets buy it".. Do not insult my intelligence.
I just wrote you I am using the navigation a lot, like 40 percent of the phone usage goes for that...
and I said for "me"
Btw I didn't say its a replacement or will kick out the One X from the throne. I just say, its not an tiny refresh . At least not for every consumer. You have to give me that.
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If they suddenly released the One 2X, with SLCD3 Tegra4 and 13MB camera after 6 months of outing the One X, than yes i would be seriously pissed
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Crazy talk. You should be happy that there is progress! And just wait patiently with open arms what the future brings us!
What you wrote under this comment makes more sense.
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HTC's flagship should have the best of all technology and new features, a new HTC sense, new Android, new design, a global release, a new SOC, a new screen to be considered a flaghsip, im pretty the J falls into this category (except Sense)
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Yes if they released an outdated device and called it a flagship you could be pissed.
This is what SONY was doing and maybe still is . Remember the first Xperia (I do ) overpriced piece of garbage, when phones had standard multitouch (hero, desire, nexus one and etc) this device more expensive then all, was and still is missing it.(software emulation my ass)
But then again, when you bought it, you could know it. (And there was other parts in SW that sucks bla bla to the OT)
fair enough about the tiny part, but we are discussing what is an HTC flagship to begin with
the One X, X+ and J are all flagships, ie: the upper end of the spec list of HTC's products, not to mention the most widely praised and respected by the media and gets their most attention
judging from my time in elevate, it does seem the situation is confusing, HTC itself do not have clear boundaries and everyone is asking them to define them
more over it seems their choice of SOC is also not a deep rooted decision, if i had to throw a wild guess, HTC only chose Tegra 3 because Qualcomm did not have a quad core ready and they had to counter the upcoming Quad SGS3
In fact the One X Tegra 3 seems much more important to Nvidia (they use its picture in every Tegra 3 occasion), than Tegra 3 is important to HTC (which for them its just another quad SOC)
They also wanted to open up to other SOC vendors just like Samsung does by releasing the same device on three different SOCs, which at the time seemed to give great commercial margins to Samsung
Everything the One X was, seemed a bid to counter Samsung, when in fact it had nothing to do with the values of samsung, in reality its more of an iPhone counter in terms of priorites (fancy build quality, refined UI and amazing screen)
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fair enough about the tiny part, but we are discussing what is an HTC flagship to begin with
the One X, X+ and J are all flagships, ie: the upper end of the spec list of HTC's products, not to mention the most widely praised and respected by the media and gets their most attention
judging from my time in elevate, it does seem the situation is confusing, HTC itself do not have clear boundaries and everyone is asking them to define them
more over it seems their choice of SOC is also not a deep rooted decision, if i had to throw a wild guess, HTC only chose Tegra 3 because Qualcomm did not have a quad core ready and they had to counter the upcoming Quad SGS3
In fact the One X Tegra 3 seems much more important to Nvidia (they use its picture in every Tegra 3 occasion), than Tegra 3 is important to HTC (which for them its just another quad SOC)
They also wanted to open up to other SOC vendors just like Samsung does by releasing the same device on three different SOCs, which at the time seemed to give great commercial margins to Samsung
Everything the One X was, seemed a bid to counter Samsung, when in fact it had nothing to do with the values of samsung, in reality its more of an iPhone counter in terms of priorites (fancy build quality, refined UI and amazing screen)
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It's understandable that HTC wanted to strike while the iron was hot, the HTC Sensation was a brilliant phone but was trounced by the Galaxy S2 in sales figures and reviews.
They didn't want the same thing to happen again with their new One range so they rushed it a little bit and put it out there imho. But nether the less, the Samsung Galaxy fanboys made sure that the S3 beat the HOX is sales figures and reviews when I don't believe it deserves to.
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It's understandable that HTC wanted to strike while the iron was hot, the HTC Sensation was a brilliant phone but was trounced by the Galaxy S2 in sales figures and reviews.
They didn't want the same thing to happen again with their new One range so they rushed it a little bit and put it out there imho. But nether the less, the Samsung Galaxy fanboys made sure that the S3 beat the HOX is sales figures and reviews when I don't believe it deserves to.
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I would forbid AMOLED ... seriously nothing that has the current generations of AMOLED or its monstrosity called Pentile Matrix cant be called a flagship, in no company... I mean to buy on such higher rate degrading display or the non existing quality. Am still laughing at ppl telling me that they also have 320PPI....
if htc sticks to IPS, or SLCD or the second gens etc, no way I would switch again back to Samsung ...
Btw I would go for the Evo 3D in the time of SGS2 ... That phone was cheap , fast, great display, heavy and big ... more like a weapon, but higher res and 1GB more as the Sensation.
As its now I think I am set for 1 or maybe even 2 years without requiring a new device. Which I couldnt say with the previous generations phones I had. Even though they were Flagships as well. Lets say SGS.
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It's understandable that HTC wanted to strike while the iron was hot, the HTC Sensation was a brilliant phone but was trounced by the Galaxy S2 in sales figures and reviews.
They didn't want the same thing to happen again with their new One range so they rushed it a little bit and put it out there imho. But nether the less, the Samsung Galaxy fanboys made sure that the S3 beat the HOX is sales figures and reviews when I don't believe it deserves to.
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yes its good u brought up the Sensation, the S2 was better than it to be honest except the build material, keeping in mind the SGS2 had true 1:1 pixel density, something i can't say about the SGS3 its in no way no how better than the One X
but the Sensation was supposed to be the flagship right?
For me one trip to the store was enough to tell me its not worth upgrading my Desire HD, the screen was actually worse it had a very bad refresh rate and ghosting, the initial sense 3.0 stayed insanely and horribly sluggish for over 8 months, build and design very similar and the camera almost the same, it was only the SOC which was much better but badly supported in the initial firmware
The Sensation did not shine until the ICS update was pushed, in fact the performance nearly doubled with the ICS update and then you could see what the Senation was all about
And like Pagot said, they polarized their fans with the dual Evo3d/Sensation release, but for me the Evo3d is the better deal, the best ever build device by HTC i'm still preplexed until today at how much it have costed them to build the thing, it was "shimmering" with fancy higher grade perfectly cut material in every corner, and the screen in 2D mode was massively better than the Sensation with 60hz refresh rate, when the Evo3d was being cleared out of stock pre the One X release, it literally sold like hot cakes in Lebanon, the main vendors couldn't keep up with the demand
and just as the Sensation example, Sensation XE did not replace it as a flagship, both were the flagship just the XE was the newer repackage
HTC will stick to IPS they have never been fans of Samsung or Amoled, especially after all the praise they got for the One X display, remember how they dropped Amoled by re-releasing the Desire with SLCD (i actually switch my phone to the SLCD version)
Not this crap again! Yes, stand still HTC. Don't refresh your devices and let the competition surpass you with superior specced products!
And then no doubt the masses will complain that HTC aren't innovating and their product lineup is stale! FFS!
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yes its good u brought up the Sensation, the S2 was better than it to be honest except the build material, keeping in mind the SGS2 had true 1:1 pixel density, something i can't say about the SGS3 its in no way no how better than the One X
Yeah that bugs me, people saying that the SGS3 has 'The best screen on the market' bar iPhone, it's definitely the One X!
but the Sensation was supposed to be the flagship right?
For me one trip to the store was enough to tell me its not worth upgrading my Desire HD, the screen was actually worse it had a very bad refresh rate and ghosting, the initial sense 3.0 stayed insanely and horribly sluggish for over 8 months, build and design very similar and the camera almost the same, it was only the SOC which was much better but badly supported in the initial firmware
The Sensation did not shine until the ICS update was pushed, in fact the performance nearly doubled with the ICS update and then you could see what the Senation was all about
And like Pagot said, they polarized their fans with the dual Evo3d/Sensation release, but for me the Evo3d is the better deal, the best ever build device by HTC i'm still preplexed until today at how much it have costed them to build the thing, it was "shimmering" with fancy higher grade perfectly cut material in every corner, and the screen in 2D mode was massively better than the Sensation with 60hz refresh rate, when the Evo3d was being cleared out of stock pre the One X release, it literally sold like hot cakes in Lebanon, the main vendors couldn't keep up with the demand
and just as the Sensation example, Sensation XE did not replace it as a flagship, both were the flagship just the XE was the newer repackage
Same goes for the Sensation XL, that was step down if ever there was one! Infact, all HTC adverts for a while and advertising in general toted the XL, so I'd say for a very brief few months the XL was their 'flagship' handset.
HTC will stick to IPS they have never been fans of Samsung or Amoled, remember how they dropped amoled by releasing the Desire with SLCD?
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I liked the Desire screen, it was bright and fresh, something to show to the iMoans squadron. I loved me Desire!
I guess it's what you upgraded to the Sensation from... if it was a Desire HD then it was a bit of a jump back until ICS FOTA, but as I came to Sensation from my old Desire, that was a big step up. Takes all kinds I guess...
Yes the ICS update really took the Sensation into a world of it's own! Never really got to play around with the Evo3D, I think the Sensation was released slightly ahead of it here in the UK, so I'd already nabbed my Sensation before the Evo3D was released. The screen had to have a 60hz refresh rate I'm assuming as it'd be halved when the 3D effect was on? So anything less than 30/25hz refresh rate would've made the thing look really choppy!
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I liked the Desire screen, it was bright and fresh, something to show to the iMoans squadron. I loved me Desire!
I guess it's what you upgraded to the Sensation from... if it was a Desire HD then it was a bit of a jump back until ICS FOTA, but as I came to Sensation from my old Desire, that was a big step up. Takes all kinds I guess...
Yes the ICS update really took the Sensation into a world of it's own! Never really got to play around with the Evo3D, I think the Sensation was released slightly ahead of it here in the UK, so I'd already nabbed my Sensation before the Evo3D was released. The screen had to have a 60hz refresh rate I'm assuming as it'd be halved when the 3D effect was on? So anything less than 30/25hz refresh rate would've made the thing look really choppy!
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yes ofcourse the Evo had to have 60hz for 3D but there was no excuse for less on the Sensation both the Desire HD and Desire had better screens in terms of refresh, in fact the Desire SLCD had the best screen in terms of all, view angles and black levels included
I only bought the Sensation much later for my wife for a very good price but she still wanted it replaced with the Sensation XL (and now she complains why temple run lags )