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Galaxy S II with WP7 ahhh

Granted I haven't had my hand on the new Samsung Galaxy SII but looking at (I hate to say engadget review on the hardware) I think this would be an ultimate flagship design for wp7 (I know the processor hasn't been approved) but man that device looks nice and I have been very happy with my focus for a while now I am wanting this bad boy (am I bad I have had an HTC for the last 6yrs).

Mental diarrhea sprayed onto an XDA post. Nice work!

dreaming is not diarrhea lol
The Os performs great with the current standards if they are going to make a tiered version (which they will if Nokia intends on making a low cost wp7) why not make a high dollar one?

Yes its android its gud
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Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...

Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.

amtrakcn said:
Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.
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Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).

skycamefalling said:
Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).
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So you like Captivate

amtrakcn said:
So you like Captivate
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Yeah, that one looks like the Armani Edition -really nice. I may have ended up with Android when the Galaxy S in Austria looked like this. So I waited for a decent phone and finally ended up with the Omnia7...it has been a good decision after all

kapanak said:
Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...
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if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.

ohgood said:
if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.
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I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.

domineus said:
I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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What I was saying/hinting in order to make a statement (which don't get me wrong everyone including my girl that I have let play with my wp7 want one and thats coming from iphone/android). But at the gym last night there was a guy with a attrix with a wp7 skin and I slapped him (silly foul for fun) because he was false claiming lol (forgive me its Friday). But really they need a wow factor phone because basically alot of people just buy for specs I hate to say (like people @ the gym I workout at) all they talk about is my phone has a 5-8mp camera and a dual processor blah blah, and I just said my phone works and quite well.

domineus said:
I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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ahhhhh, ok i see it! I wonder if that is a beta hardware, or what version software its running. oddly, I haven't used a ota update or stock rom since the 1.x days. lag is something I just haven't experienced since then... and it puzzles me when I see so many commnets about it really.,

Lag has been the signature of Samsung Galaxy S. It remains to be seen that if S2 can improve on that. The reasons are two folds:
1. The Android OS's own problem (lack of hardware accel and poor garbage collection)
2. Samsung's insistence of using its antiquated RFS file system which is significantly worse than the common ext2 or 4 file system.
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!

Nice work。。。。

Would love this with WP7.

You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.

vetvito said:
You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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we did hence the discussion about the LAG. Look I like the specs myself because they would make any developer salivate and want to at least test it for a spell - myself included. But even still, lag is lag and it's there.
We can call out all of wp inconsistencies till the cow comes home but do it to android its a fight. It's a pretty rational discussion about the SII and there have been no flames. Us, just like you, have watched the video and read the reviews. Let's not assume no one hasn't
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!
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Technically most android d/cs...
for the moment again until something at android changes

A slight jerk one time, is that considered lag?

vetvito said:
You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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My hd7 is lagy and inernet browsing is pain full with ie ****

Which WP7-devices are coming

Hi all
Which WP7-devices will come this fall?
Only rumours yet, or already real devices?
Thanks
Dominik
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HTC Radar (aka HTC Omega) possibly HTC Bunyip
HTC Titan (aka HTC Eternity)
HTC Prime
HTC Bresson
HTC Ignite
Samsung SGH-i937
Samsung SGH-i677
Samsung GT-i8350
Samsung GT-i8710
Nokia SeaRay
Nokia 800
Acer W4
Acer M310
LG Fantsay (aka LG LG-T130L)
LG-LS831
LG E906 (LG Optimus 7 Jil Sander model)
ZTE unknown model
Fujitsu Toshiba IS12T

I wonder which ones will be making their way to Verizon. I love my trophy, but it's such a low end phone. I would like some a bit more powerful from big red. Too bad they have an odd relationship with MS.
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wakka420 said:
I wonder which ones will be making their way to Verizon. I love my trophy, but it's such a low end phone. I would like some a bit more powerful from big red. Too bad they have an odd relationship with MS.
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wp7 doesn't need extreme high end hardware to work well like android does (and still doesn't work as smoothly as wp7)

eric12341 said:
wp7 doesn't need extreme high end hardware to work well like android does (and still doesn't work as smoothly as wp7)
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True but it would be nice to have some higher end phones on the CDMA networks. The HTC Trophy and HTC Arrive are nice phones but I would like to see an HD7 style phone or a Samsung phone. I'm getting tired of HTC's use of subpar screens and cameras.

eric12341 said:
wp7 doesn't need extreme high end hardware to work well like android does (and still doesn't work as smoothly as wp7)
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I agree, it doesn't need extreme hardware, but at the same time. There's quite a few people out there who are sold by keywords like dual core & GHz. If a sale person shows you a 1 GHz 1st gen SnapDragon (WP7) & a 1.5 GHz Dual Core latest retail gen SnapDragon (2.5 GHz Quad cores aren't too far away), which do you really think the average person will choose if they don't know anything about either WP7 nor Android.

NCHEVYHEVN said:
True but it would be nice to have some higher end phones on the CDMA networks. The HTC Trophy and HTC Arrive are nice phones but I would like to see an HD7 style phone or a Samsung phone. I'm getting tired of HTC's use of subpar screens and cameras.
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the arrive and trophy both have SLCD screens and it was proven that there's only a minor difference in quality between SLCD and AMOLED. as for the cameras all the pictures and videos I've taken have had pretty good quality.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I agree, it doesn't need extreme hardware, but at the same time. There's quite a few people out there who are sold by keywords like dual core & GHz. If a sale person shows you a 1 GHz 1st gen SnapDragon (WP7) & a 1.5 GHz Dual Core latest retail gen SnapDragon (2.5 GHz Quad cores aren't too far away), which do you really think the average person will choose if they don't know anything about either WP7 nor Android.
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yea I can agree that alot of people are victims of technology and love to buy into hype and gimmicks

eric12341 said:
the arrive and trophy both have SLCD screens and it was proven that there's only a minor difference in quality between SLCD and AMOLED. as for the cameras all the pictures and videos I've taken have had pretty good quality.
yea I can agree that alot of people are victims of technology and love to buy into hype and gimmicks
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Super AMOLED Plus screen are far better than SLCD. There's a video somewhere to puts both side by side & SLCD is nowhere near as good. The SLCD looks like it has a grey washout over the entire display. I still do prefer HTC's though for other reasons.
Sadly, most consumer are clueless about advantages & disadvantages of different OS's & that no 2 CPU's are the same. Perfect example is a 2 GHz AMD is not as fast as a 2 GHz Pentium. The AMD does usually give better performance for your buck though. So, in the end they look at the hardware specs & prices. Of course they'll pick the more powerful one when both cost basically the same (retail). The Android Dual Core may even be cheaper, because of contract pricing deals. Sadly, this is one of the main reasons that WP7 is doing sad bad on sales. I say, MS, why not just make it latest gen Dual Core compatible. Sure it don't need it, but imagine how fast it'd be. Not a damn thing would lag, lol. You wouldn't be able to keep up with it lol. Also, we need 4G LTE. I know it supports it. The icons & registry are in there. It's that the hardware doesn't support 4G LTE.

iphone 5

I am an avid android fan, and I plan on staying an android user.
This post is out of pure technical curiosity.
How do you guys think the incoming iphone 5 will stack up compared to our phones? How do you think it will stack up compared to the nexus prime?
I am just looking for a good discussion.

As far as I know, if Samsung is supplying it's parts, it should be on par with the SGSII.

Hardware wise = A little lower specs than our phones.
Software wise = Outdated.

Overstew said:
As far as I know, if Samsung is supplying it's parts, it should be on par with the SGSII.
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I don't believe samsung is supplying as much as usual.
The processor is unique to apply.
The screen will be unique to apply, etc.
Honestly, I don't see the internals of the phone matching/ or at least outpacing the sgsII. But I do wonder how the screen will stack up. Yes, our screen is great, but the lower resolution, and the fact that apple makes great screens....may well spell a win for apple.
In terms of software...we all know that IOS is very fluid. But honestly, how much can a phone be more fluid then our epic 4g touch? This phone is ridiculously smooth. I didn't know such performance was achievable on android 2.3.
We also know ios is looking to narrow the gap in terms of software features with a revamp notification area, etc. But, correct me if I am wrong, I believe apple will still lack turn by turn navigation....which is a big deal to me. The rumored voice control will be nice, but nothing way ahead of what android already offers.

iSaint said:
Hardware wise = A little lower specs than our phones.
Software wise = Outdated.
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Which phone will be outdated? Why?

Not wanting to be rude but who cares unless you are thinking of buying an iPhone.

QWIKSTRIKE said:
Not wanting to be rude but who cares unless you are thinking of buying an iPhone.
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Did you read the post? The purpose was to facilitate discussion.
You honestly don't have to read it, or reply to it.

BlueGoldAce said:
Did you read the post? The purpose was to facilitate discussion.
You honestly don't have to read it, or reply to it.
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I read it, but the still same thing comes to my head....who cares. I don't plan on buying one so to me why post about something that won't build up the ET4G or any android device. This should be in the apple forums lol....just saying.

QWIKSTRIKE said:
I read it, but the still same thing comes to my head....who cares. I don't plan on buying one so to me why post about something that won't build up the ET4G or any android device. This should be in the apple forums lol....just saying.
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So again, I repeat, don't reply. Just leave it alone.
If no one cares, let the thread die, and I apologize for anyone I bothered.

Well I am with you here, you can trigger the discussion about something and you never know when some one with some inside news or a link might chime in.

Software? I couldn't care less about.
Hardware...that's what I want to know. I'm curious as to what the screen will be. Bigger? Same size?

iPhone 5
Im more the Android fan, but i must say, the internal hardware of the new iphone 5 is certainly impressive from what i've read!

People lately really been taking advantage of free speech, like it's that important to let us know you don't care.. Gtfo
That is not this threads intention anyway.
Now on topic, I honestly feel with only the release of the gs2 we will do well against the tyrant apple lol
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.

How come someone give an opinion on how the SGS2 will stack up against the iPhone 5 when no one knows what is even in the iPhone 5. Seems like a pointless discussion........

Honestly on the hardware front, nothing can touch the galaxy s 2 with the mali gpu and exynos processor. Well, nothing in a smartphone that is. But, the Ipad2 with the PowerVR SGX 540 and A5 processor wins in all the benchmarks that anandtech threw at it. A natural progression would predict that Apple will throw the A5 processor in the Iphone 5. So hardware wise if this is true than the Iphone 5 will be a beast. But, it really is going to come down to preference. Because anything you throw @ my epic touch, the epic touch throws it right back with grace. Most likely the Iphone 5 will do the same. Performance wise I dont think we will see a difference. So, it will come down to software preference. I own an Epic touch because I wanted the best Android experience out there. And in my opinion I have that right now. But, some people like the simple to use IOS. I plan to get my girl the Iphone 5 so she can just use it and stop bothering me for messing with her phone (my old OG evo 4g).
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1. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17

hayabusa1300cc said:
People lately really been taking advantage of free speech, like it's that important to let us know you don't care.. Gtfo
That is not this threads intention anyway.
Now on topic, I honestly feel with only the release of the gs2 we will do well against the tyrant apple lol
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
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...How do you guys think the incoming iphone 5 will stack up compared to our phones? How do you think it will stack up compared to the nexus prime?
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If the iPhone 5 indeed has the A5 dual core processor (same that's in the iPad 2), and they haven't clocked up the speed much, I wouldn't expect much. I used an iPad 2 for a while and after getting the GS2 it doesn't compare. The performance of the GS2 destroys the performance of the iPad 2 (different devices, I know, but I've never owned and iPhone...)
Also, iOS has a LONG way to go before it can compete with Android. It was awesome about 2 years ago, but it was left in the dust long ago.
My biggest gripe about Android was that it was buggy and it took a lot to keep it working properly, but with this phone that's not a problem anymore. I have yet to find a reason to root (rooting would be nice for certain things, but it doesn't feel necessary like it has with other Android devices I've owned).
So how will the 3 compare? I think: Prime > GS2 > iPhone 5. With the gap between the Prime and GS2 tiny, of course...
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...But, the Ipad2 with the PowerVR SGX 540 and A5 processor wins in all the benchmarks that anandtech threw at it. A natural progression would predict that Apple will throw the A5 processor in the Iphone 5. So hardware wise if this is true than the Iphone 5 will be a beast. But, it really is going to come down to preference....
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I guess I've never looked at pure benchmarks, and maybe it's just the differences between Android and iOS, but the iPad2 seems less snappy and more cumbersome than this phone.
Granted, Apple has had 6-8 months to work out bugs with the A5, so I'd imagine they'll throw an updated OS with the iPhone 5.
Though there is a reason I'm typing this on an Android forum and not an iOS forum... I just like Android better.

Apple is proly gonna do what sammy did to them
Wait for competitor to release product
Revise product to one up competitor
Release product
Ex ipad 2 galaxy tab 10.1
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I've been wondering if they do in fact increase the screen size if they will increase the resolution to keep with their 'retina display.' To be honest, the samoled screen can't be beat in many areas, however higher resolution and pixel density is very key and because of that I actually prefer the screen of the ns4g to the sgs2. One reason I hope the prime isn't released with an ungodly large display.
tapa tapa tapa

MoMatt said:
I guess I've never looked at pure benchmarks, and maybe it's just the differences between Android and iOS, but the iPad2 seems less snappy and more cumbersome than this phone.
Granted, Apple has had 6-8 months to work out bugs with the A5, so I'd imagine they'll throw an updated OS with the iPhone 5.
Though there is a reason I'm typing this on an Android forum and not an iOS forum... I just like Android better.
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I also own an Ipad 2. I bought it for my girl. When it comes to web browsing, even though technically the Ipad 2 is faster hardware, my Epic Touch browses alot faster than the Ipad 2. Actually my girl complains about the web browsing speed of the Ipad 2. That is because the way Samsung optimized the stock browser on the Eipc Touch. Samsung actually uses the same technique on the back end that Apple uses with their Safari browser. Difference is Samsung does it alot better. I know this through everyday use of both products.
But, that is beside the point. I am in the same Android forum as you are because I am still more akin to my precious and highly customizable Android OS.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/4

This phone WILL be better than the iphone5... I and its not even announced yet. And that's comparing everything.. I except maybe the screen
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[Q] Galaxy Nexus Why all the anticipation ?

After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.

Ics. Duh.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

Why ?
Because of the ****ty carrier update system.
Personally Id by an Amaze 4g today if the stupid piece of crap carrier and HTC werent in the way of me getting Android 4.0. As it stands pretty much the only way you get to use it is by getting a GN or waiting 2-3 months for decent roms to come out.
Again. Since Google refuses to mandate min. time frames for carrier/OEM updates this means noone has a clue when they can get a major OS update. Making GN the only choice for months.
The HD screen is the second biggest factor , I havent seen any comparison to a QHD screen so dont know if its as big a deal as Im making it out to be.

The display, the OS, and the fact that it's a Nexus device. Win/Win/Win.

For me it's not having an annoying overlay. Touchwiz and Sense are ok, but I'd much rather have vanilla Android.

randypurcz said:
After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.

1.) ICS
2.) Likely to have a huge developer base
3.) Hardware fairly optimized for software (and according to: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review , its blazing fast)
4.) 720p HD Screen (again according to the above link and also http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/17/galaxy-nexus-review-part-1-hardware-overview-video/ although the screen is pentile, it still is amazing)
5.) Vanilla Android
6.) ???
7.) Profit
Now, I can see why some people might not want to buy this phone because of the following three reasons:
1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone

randypurcz said:
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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that's exactly what it is a Developer reference phone for ICS
that's why you no longer see the state of the art hardware included anymore since Nexus S

I see all your points.
I guess I think Google/Samsung/Verizon, just dragged thier feet too long on getting it to market IMO. I think higher spec phones are just months away, so the only thing cutting edge here is ICS. Just my opinion.
Now, I do have the Nexus on the way, but I am just not going to be sleepless over it. I just sold my Galaxy Note (too big to function as a phone for me, but one hell of an information device), but I will always wonder how it would have performed with ICS versus GB.

mohitrocks said:
1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone
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hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.

oilfighter said:
The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.
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I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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pukemon said:
hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.
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How so? I don't believe I did.
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gbroon said:
I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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I wouldn't go for the RAZR, as many reviews I have seen put it on a bad place compared to the Nexus (E.g. www.theverge.com)

For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!

Until the quad cores come out much later in 2012 the galaxy nexus will mostly be top dog. The next batch of devices will all be dual core 1.5ish ghz, some will get some version of 720p screens some will not. We should see that clear through summer until the galaxy hd/3.
That's a pretty good run for a device add to it the google experience and well it should hold its own for two years easily. IMO the only people getting screwed are the people buying the gs2 now.
As long add it's out before the end of January on AT&T (unlikely) I'll buy the galaxy nexus otherwise I'll wait for summer.

Well now it looks like the GS2 has already been ported, so maybe months of wait will be reduced to weeks to get a usable ICS rom on some of the better devices. Cancelled my preorder(Nexus) and am thinking of purchasing another Note !

STi489 said:
For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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I'd like to refer you to here where they go beyond speculation and actually have the device so aren't pulling things out of thin air like 99% of the people here.
For people who tl;dr:
"Before we received the device, what troubled us was the idea of a last-generation GPU pushing 1280×720 pixels of the Galaxy Nexus’ screen — we can now say that fear is unfounded. We picked up and played a few games of Wind-up Knight and found it performed better in its native resolution than did the Motorola RAZR at 960×540. The RAZR uses the same GPU at a slightly slower speed, but has 40% fewer pixels. Google has done some serious tweaking to the graphics drivers to achieve such amazing results."
Just like how we don't compare ATI and Nvidia cards by their GFLOP's nor triangles per second, we should keep in mind that performance is dependant on both hardware and drivers - and varies with games just as some games naturally play better with Nvidia cards and some perform better with ATI/AMD cards. Drivers make a world of difference. Looks like Google/PowerVR/TI have done their job.

STi489 said:
For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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Once again, MP means jack **** EXCEPT picture size. Do your research before you comment. As some comparisons have said its only a little below the iPhone 4s in quality, and guess what? That's not due to MP.
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That review was pretty good.

Who do you think is responsible for gimping the nexus phones?

The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
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They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
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No. Google is not competing with Apple. All they care about is that you (and iPhone users) continue to use google.com. Android serves that purpose. The Nexus serves as a guidepost for Android.
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
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Um. Ok.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
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That's because Google wanted to emphasize a camera with instant photo capture. The Galaxy Nexus takes worse photos than my Nexus S 4g.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
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Ok, then get another phone. Easy solution, no?
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
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The 1080p is only at 10mbps...
Either way, having limited space actually serves google's interests once again, as they want you to use Google+ sync for photos, and Google Music to stream music.
MTP so users don't have to bother mounting their phones' storage.
A modest GPU to show how much hardware acceleration can help the experience on even "older" chipsets.
You (and I) don't have to like it. Not at all. But them's the breaks. There are a LOT of other phones with better specs.
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
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Cool.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
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Yes, yes you will.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?
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You are to blame for owning a Nexus already, and yet not understanding the point of Google creating Nexus devices.
The Nexus S was no trend-setter either. It was a GalaxyS but without an SD card. Why on earth would Google do that with the Nexus S? Because, again, their goals for the device were to showcase their new Gingerbread theme (which SAMOLED screens do best) and push manufacturers into making more cloud-centric devices (ie no SD card). They wanted a larger screen, and a "sexy" looking device to show that Android can have style.

Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.

biffsmash said:
Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.
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Right. Because Google is *REALLY* pushing it hard on all 4 carriers in the US, huh? Really trying to get that market-share for the Nexus.
They still refuse to sell the GSM Galaxy Nexus in the US, some 6 months after release. They've dropped "official" support for the CDMA binaries for the VZW Galaxy Nexus, and have shown no signs of that changing anytime soon.
But yeah, sure, Google really cares a lot if this phone competes with other Android phones. No reason why they should care, since an Android phone is an Android phone.
Riiiight, if you say so.

I said please dont mind what I am saying. I am not here to merely bash this phone but for a reasonable discussion.
I really dont mind the lack of SD card at all thats why I have a nexus S. I also dont really mind heaving inferior video recording, I'll much rather have an LED flash which the galaxy S didnt have.
What I do care about is the still picture camera and gaming performance, 2 areas the nexus S was up with the best for it's time but the galaxy nexus isnt. The nexus S didnt bring in a new screen but it was still the best you could get. It didnt bring in a new chipset but again it was the best you could get(yes shortly bested by the tegra 2) but it was still more than adequate for 800x480.
While the galaxy nexus would have superior screen to my nexus S, it would have inferior sunlight legibility which is an unfortunate compromise that shouldn't be there considering how bright the note is. While it plays all games fine for now you never know when it's time would be up due to how poorly optimized android games can be.
I agree with the above user google dropped the ball on this there is no way to go around it. The galaxy nexus unlocked is now cheaper than the galaxy S2, that shows how it has performed. The nexus S never became cheaper than galaxy S.

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording.
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480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.

reuthermonkey said:
They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
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Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.

Cmmts said:
480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.

But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.
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Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.

So let's see. You (OP) criticizes the GN because you think it has a weak GPU even though you admit it runs all current games fine. If the screen lacks brightness, you know this is configurable. As for the SD card slot, Google finds it is a nuisance because it splits the filesystem in half and you need to juggle where to put stuff.
Most of the camera problems were fixed with firmware 4.0.4 and it is definitely comparable with the GS2 (I own one too so I know).
The GN is a well designed device and comes with the best Android stock experience, not some skinned nonsense.
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As some said, its a base for other devices. Kinda like a minimum requirement for future phone. whatever other device makes, i don't care. I'm happy cuz Android is that powerful and has varieties. of course, i'll be staying with Nexus.

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Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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I'd be inclined to agree, having a Desire for almost 24 months. However, the girlfriends Desire S is also single core and faster, she would never let me take Sense off of it but I dare say it could well have been better.

Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html

TlDr but I got bits out of it.
The nexus doesn't need a super gpu for 720p rendering the 4460 OMAP has the best HD decoding in the industry. The screen is fine. The camera is sub par in the amount of pixels it can fit in a square but the quality is fine. It does the job. Its a phone ffs.
Honestly all I can say is to read my signature.
Also, this phone was never meant to compete with iOS or other Androids. It was meant to help set an industry standard for the next generation of Android hardware.
Please, can we stop making threads about how the Nexus isn't everything you wanted it to be? There's plenty of other phones you mentioned, so go use em and stop cluttering our General.
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Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
And I have found the nexus S app drawer to be as smooth as iphone, cant get smoother then that. And home screens are pretty smooth as well without too many widgets. Ofcourse other phones could be just as smooth.
Andie00 said:
This thread sucks.
Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.
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So where does it say that the pure google experience gets hampered if you put the latest tech inside a phone? Seriously what is this ridiculous argument that just because it is dev phone it isnt about hardware.

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Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html
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2010 dude this is 2012. Obviously it has nothing to do with OS as nexus S is now running an OS that does support HD video.

Smallsmx3 said:
But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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Who said it's a dev phone?
We (and Google, and the entire tech industry) has stated that the phone is a guidepost for Android. It's a reference phone.
Now, it's quite normal for developers to prefer Nexus phones because... well... they're the reference. But no one ever said it wasn't a consumer phone. It's just not going to be the latest and greatest of everything. It's not meant to be - never was.

Which is the question of the thread why the hell cant it be the latest and greatest when the greatest company samsung is making it??
Why should they leave out features that dont need any rocket science to put into? Why cant those who love the reference phone have all the greatest features when the company making it is clearly capable of delivering them?

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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
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And some phones with ICS support UMS, yet we support MTP. The OS does have to do with it, considering it likely has checks in it, and/or the Nexus S specific overlay LIMITS it to 480p.
The Nexus S has 320mb of usable ram and a single core CPU. Do you expect it to record in 720p like a boss? I know my Droid Incredible had 720p enabled in an update, and it was a joke.