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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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Nope. The auto brightness is great. No trouble seeing anything on the screen.
That's a very good point, I've been using it outdoors and could see it perfectly!
so why go super amoled when amoled is enough? I mean they made super amoled to also curb the sunlight eligibility problem but after using my desire, I say "what problem are u talking about?" ...I was using a Samsung innov8 before and it was so much worse which is wat I call, looking at myself on the screen under direct sunlight....
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Perhaps it has been extra sunny recently, but even on full brightness I find it hard to see much detail on the screen
it's definitely harder to see in sunlight than an LCD screen (for example the iPhone's screen)
Desire screen maximum brightness: 229 cd/m2
iPhone screen maximum brightness: 428 cd/m2
The Desire display is also "glossier" than the iPhone's:
Desire screen reflectance of ambient light: 15.5 percent
iPhone screen reflectance of ambient light: 9.2 percent
Theres no question about it really, it's much harder to see in sunshine. (But the price is worth paying IMO)
I've had a couple of times I've needed to hold the phone at a bit of an angle to see some text properly, but it's not really been much more of an issue than LCDs on phones I've had in the past.
Blimey, I see night and day difference. The amoled screen in bright sunshine is pretty useless. Amazing indoors, perhaps equal in the shade, but something needs to be done for proper sunshine .
It does seem brighter when taking photos (in sunlight) than viewing apps
In my opinion, I think it IS harder to see in sunlight but it's not impossible and it's certainly not as bad as sites like engadget were making out.
I took my touch hd (lcd) and desire for a walk in typical extra sunny italian day, at 1PM: they both are hard to see if tilted so that the screen reflect the sky, they both have the same degree of reflection.
It's not impossible to see stuff but it is hard, by titling the phone so that it basically reflects your face it becomes quite bearable. Perhaps the desire can show a bit more detail if using black and white screens because of the higher contrast.
Regarding the previous comment about LCD being better than AMOLED in sunlight, I partly doubt it, since you used an iPhone as comparison which is well known to have a particularly bright and readable LCD screen (can't remember the technology now) basically like super-amoled stands to normal amoled.
I would have gladly taken super-amoled if it came on the desire even if it made the price a bit higher, that said the screen is so superb in normal conditions that I really can't complain...
get an anti glare screen protector but no more phone mirror if you do ofcourse
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not trying to be ignorant, but have you guys tried full brightness on the setting for the desire screen and go under sunlight?
i did some typing(well normal use test), and i can see the screen clearly actually...maybe i have bionic eyes
Yes have done and still find it relatively dim to see. Worse say that a camera LCD screen.
Desire IMHO already fares much better compared to Nexus One because the Light sensor is less prone to fluctuations, maybe at the expense of a little more battery juice but at least I am going ape-crazy with a glary reflection + incorrect screen brightness like on N1.
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I have hd2 and desire side by side, and desire is slightly less readable on direct sunlight.
But it is perfectly readable, there is no room for panic.
I have seen HD2 under sun, and it's far from perfectly readable. Actually, my Kaiser is better, and I am not happy how it looks under sun, so if Desire is even less bright I don't see how it can be good.
So far iPhone is really good under sun, every other phone is just more or less bad.
There was a video on youtube where they've put some 8-10 phones together on a table outside in a sunny day and the camera would sweep over them to see the degree of reflection and readability. It wasn't very accurate because it took some phones more tilted than others but it showed pretty clearly that the desire wasn't very different than most and that the iphone was quite better than the rest.
There is another video which compared super-amoled samsung to an iphone in direct sunlight and in that comparison the iphone seemed poor.
Cranking the brightness up to max I think doesn't have much difference than leaving the light sensor on, especially here in Italy where sun is quite strong. I've also done some comparisons and didn't see much difference.
Last thing: I have a Martin Fields screen protector on my touch hd and a cheap one on my desire and they both work equally well, so I really can't see the 13€ difference
I've never had a peroblem viewing the screen. My previous handset (Samsung i8910) also had an amoled screen and I didn't have any problems viewing the screen on that handset either.
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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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auto brightness is good enough for me :]
Just read this article on how HTC are planning to replace the beloved AMOLED screens with Super LCD screens later this summer, both on the Nexus One and HTC Desire...
http://www.talkandroid.com/7681-slcd-displays-added-to-htc-desire-nexus-one/
For us existing owners, fair or unfair?
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So people want an SLCD screen over an AMOLED? :S I thought AMOLED were superior, with better battery life and more vivid colours? And why do some people hate pentile screens so much. I've got a replacement HTC desire due - and I'm just hoping it's an AMOLED screen, rather than a SLCD... but from some of the comments I'm hearing, I should be hoping it's an SLCD?
“The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC’s current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance.”
Better battery life has been touted as one of the advantages of AMOLED, but HTC claims that the new SLCD screens have five times better power management than standard older LCD screens, nullifying AMOLEDs advantage in that regard. AMOLED also struggles in bright sunlight, so SLCD could win out there too. Finally, HTC also said that SLCD can now compete on viewing angles too, thanks to Sony’s “VSPEC III technology”.
An HTC spokesman told TrustedReviews that both variants will be on sale at the same time and that it believed that that most people will not be able to tell the difference between the two types of display. It is not clear at this stage how they will be differentiated in the market, if at all.
I want LCD
I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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The "improved" battery performance is over traditional LCD displays - not the AMOLED display used in the Desire!
I'm almost positive that you'll find that the AMOLED display currently in the Desire is better than the SLCD that will replace it. IMHO, the *only* reason HTC are moving to SLCD is because Samsung cannot deliver the required AMOLED screens in sufficient quantities, and the rest of that press release is "spin" to make it sound like it is some sort of upgrade.
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Dave
@Dave Ah yes... i misread the above statement
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I think foxmeister is right... HTC had no choice but to make this change and so they're trying to convince us that it's in our best interest.
Whenever I use my iPod Touch I immediately notice the grey blacks and washed out colours... and that's a pretty well regarded LCD. The only comments I've read on the forum from people who've received replacement Desires with the new screen have been negative.
If my Desire breaks and they try and replace it with an SLCD model, I will not go down without a fight!
1.Still it is improvement.
Even now battery life nearly the same if you use light screen(dont like darkness).
2.No Pentile.
For me its a +.(just cant get used to it)
3.No pink screens. (for some, mine is very, very little noticeable.)
4.More realistic colors.
One thing I love about the OLED tech is the gorgeous perfect blacks. Current LCD technology by its nature can not top that.
On the other hand sunlight visibility is probably a more important issue
I wouldn't worry about color saturation fidelity : I think it is a non-issue, (as long as it's not awful) it's mainly a matter of preference on a handset (nobody will be doing color correction and/or color grading on a display smaller than 24" ).
The reason for the switch is rumored to be a shortage of AMOLED screens anyway.
When you switch from AMOLED to SLCD you lose the perfect blacks but possibly gain better sunlight visibility, and maybe gain/lose a bit more natural/muted colors.
Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?
If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.
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If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.
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Nope. It was more HTC saying that they're very similar. They couldn't tout that one was better than the other due to commercial implications (e.g. old desire owners would be unhappy etc.). They couldn't say they were equal as they're different technologies. 'Comparible' keeps it PC and implies gains and losses, but overall similar.
There is an comparison
No text sharpness test
Agree with manni calavera, to my opinion the trade is going to be between the perfect black/vivid colours of amoled vs the better sunlight legibility of the SLCD. I don't expect a drastic change of the battery performance, only a few % up our down.
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This just looks like spin to make SLCDs appear technically as good when they are not. They'll have higher reflectance, max luminance and lower max white power but they can't outclass AMOLED in anything other. The colour reproduction will be dependent on MFG calibration/software.
1. Some other reports on the topic:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/201883/shortages_prompt_htc_to_swap_display_technologies.html
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-dumps-amoled
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-confirms-slcd-rumours-claims-its-better-than-amoled/?mobify=0
Heh.
This was the original press release by HTC:
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology."
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2. See the technology advantages?
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
http://www.datamodul.com/us/page/popup_pages/OLED/CMEL OLED power consumption and lifetime.pdf
Except for a full white screen or full blue, at max brightness, I highly doubt they are going to get anywhere near that low power with an LCD in the typical application with various colours or on your homescreens. Definitely not when playing a movie, a game or so on.
3. AMOLED is far more costly to manufacture and more costly to buy than LCD tech. Every major smartphone MFG (except Apple/Blackberry AFAIK) wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon if there weren't significant benefits to the technology over the older LCD tech as it was costing them more and introducing major delays to their roadmaps with the tight supply.
4. Samsung is the no.1 LCD/Tv/AMOLED maker in the world. At a very recent engineering conference, yet again, the paper they presented is eulogising AMOLED displays everywhere:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-...ec-anoints-AMOLED-displays-as-next-big-thing-
http://i.cmpnet.com/eetimes/51-1.pdf
5. Display tests done on Droid/Nexus One/iPhone 3GS screens revealed their combined power consumption somewhat.
http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm
The Droid had the best LCD display accuracy by far but compare the max RGB sub-pixel power draws... AMOLED is at least half if not lower. Those were "synthetic" tests. Had they ran a movie or displayed an image and measured power, you'd see the AMOLED at least 1/2 if not 1/3 to 1/4 of the power (unless it was full white or blue - no pun). "SLCD" isn't that much of an improvement to outclass those LCDs by 1.5x in power, let alone 5x.
6. Sonys VSPEC III LCD specs are here, and they're nothing special except the much improved viewing angle:
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol55/pdf/acx391akb.pdf
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i personally think AMOLED is poor, text look really had when they are not zoomed in. you can see each dots when you look at a website text or picture. Fine example would be the home screen. The icons look dotty like old skool dot matrix printer.
I'm comparing this to a Good LCD found in nokia n900 and iphone 4
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Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?
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I would also like to know this, Seen as HTC has ditched the synaptic clearpad 2000. New touch sensor aswell as screen? can anyone confirm?
i wouldn't do that if i were u
i wouldn't do that if i were you
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just want to offer advice to those who are still confused about this
i just switched from amoled to SLCD desire after one month of usage and believe me when i say the difference is day and night
SLCD is just much better, finally a clean true 252dpi display, no more dots, lines are finally lines, its just so impressive how sharp it is
colors and tint are more real and to my surprise blacks are good too, not as good as amoled blacks but very close, viewing angles are incredible and i don't know but even sunlight visibility is better (don't know what engadget was on about) at full brightness it's brighter then amoled
i placed it next to an iphone 4 and the pixel density didn't match of course but pretty close, colors and blacks to my pleasant surprise turned out better then the iphone 4 like a middle ground between retina and amoled
battery life seems better so far
i'm sticking with Desire for it's form factor, but seriously hope the Desire HD will feature SLCD because without is a real pitty, for me amoleds never again
check this detailed article about the matter http://gizmodo.com/5649483/smartphone-display-shoot+out
I think in a while amoleds will rule, samsung galaxy s' samoled looks really nice but I am happy I have a slcd desire and not an amoled one. On paper the amoled's specs might look better but in day to day usage the slcd desire is superior (eg in a line up the amoled will beat the slcd is 8 out of 10 tested variables but in real live usage you will probable just encounter in 90% of the time the 2 variables were the slcd beats the amoled)
I just replaced my Samsung Galaxy S for a HTC Desire (it has an SLCD screen). I deliberately compared the two displays before I sold the SGS & from what I could see the SOLED betters the SLCD only in contrast levels & deep blacks. In all other aspects the SLCD screen for me is superior.
Most noticeable is the sharpness of the SLCD over the SOLED. Text is readable in web page overview on the HTC where on the Samsung its not.
waw you replaced your galaxy with a standard desire
we can't deny how lush amoled colors can look in videos but image quality had serious issues, dithering as well as color banding, all gone now
it was funny with the amoled when i don't use my glasses i see the screen at a much lower resolution, i think the virtual resolution was failing on my broken eyes
hi everyone
I'm thinking about getting a sim free desire as a up grade for my hero (my real upgrade doesn't happen until june :-(, and my hero showing its age) and also the I can afford to buy one.
I have a few questions;
one of my pet annoys with my hero is scrolling through my texts messages is very very very very very laggy in the default app, has this been improved with the froyo update??
is scrolling through albums again not lagging??
does the stock htc keyboard have proper multitouch??
(an opinion question here)
do you believe htc will bring the new sense to the desire ??
will htc carry on pushing out future android updates to the desire??
htc desire is fast and nothing lags. htc should be pushing future updates to the desire. it's already said in a few posts that new sense will come to desire -- not confirmed though.
its a good phone but the screen visibility is absolutely pathetic when you're out in the sunlight!
the Desire has a very well made exterior casing with fine metal finishing
the Desire 5MP camera gets you excellent results provided you tweak the HTC camera settings
as for the main processor and RAM its as fast as anything else on the market, the gallery is extremely fast as well as 720p video playback, messages scrolling is fast too but not perfect, video recording is at 25fps 800x480 in good lighting, 20fps 720p recoding in good lighting in darker lighting video recording frame rate will drop
the Desire is only a little outdated in one area which is the graphics processor gives slightly less smooth experience in heavy 3d games, 2D games runs perfect
as for the screen, SLCD edition is better than Amoled, better cleaner pixel density and more brightness it also performs better outdoors (engadget review was wrong about that) as far as i can tell its scratch resistant provided you are careful of it too (first time i don't use a screen protector but i keep it in a pouch)
one final thing if you are brave enough to root your device, you will extract much more from your desire, with the stock froyo update, you can get better performance, better battery, better loudness, better SD card speed and solve the internal storage issue if you root your device
HTC keyboard is awesome, further future updates are a mystery at this moment
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Hey guys, just wondering how good the screen on the Desire is. I've heard some pretty bad things about it and was wondering if the "pixel problem" actually affects the display.
How are HQ youtube videos/regular videos? How is picture viewing? How's the phone while in bright sunlight?
Well.. talking of the screen.. I'm having the AMOLED version.. first generation Desire's.. It's actually very clear.. although, I'm having a similar 'problem' ? With some light angles.. I see a pattern of very small dots in the AMOLED screen.. those are not dead pixels.. but in the glass I asume. Anyone having similar stuff ?
A8183 with SLCD here.
Screen is awesome! I have moved from a HTC Touch Diamond 2 to this. Great screen.
I haven't tried Youtube, as I have a computer for that. Pictures are as good as any phone I have seen, including the iPhone 4. Bright sunlight can be an issue, but much better than my TD2, which I can only assume has an LCD, not an SLCD.
The screen is great! I haven't noticed the pinkish tint that some people reported, i think it was fixed. Mines the Amoled version
I've had both AMOLED and SLCD and can honestly say that neither screen will detract from the wonders of the Desire.
The AMOLED display has amazing viewing angles (IE from every possible angle, it looks great), blacks are black, and colours are fantastic.
With the SLCD display, colours are more 'natural' (less vibrant, which can sometimes, though not to me, seem overwhelming). That is about the only thing i can think of that is better than the AMOLED in comparison. A downside is that blacks are backlit, and look a dark dark blue-grey. This bothered me greatly to begin with, but I have become accustomed to it now. Also, the viewing angles are nowhere near as gooda as the AMOLED display.
In sunlight - neither display is better than the other, and both are pretty terrible at maximum brightness. But then again, I don't really make it a habit of using it in the sunlight.
Pictures look great on both, and so does video, with the exception of dark scenes, where the blacks on the AMOLED look fantastic, and no so fantastic on the SLCD.
At any rate, neither suffer from any problems that affect usability in the way you describe.
Oh! And in response to the comment about the dots: I think they are part of the touchscreen circuitry. I can see them in certain angles, too.
Very nice screen indeed, the AMOLED version at least. Kind of annoying in direct sunlight though
I have a pvt1 1st generation desire with an amoled screen, and have never had a pixel problem :-D
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I have the amoled disire, the display is fantastic unless you're beneath the midday sun
I actually prefer the slcd screen on my desire to the super amoled on my dads sgs. the colours just look to in your face on the sgs, and much more natural and easier on the eyes on the desire
The screen is amazing! Although the touch part of it is horrible.