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As you all know, the new batch of Desire for Telus will come with SLCD.
androidpolice.com/2010/07/15/htc-desire-headed-to-canada-on-telus
I'm not from Canada so just wondering should I wait for SLCD to available worldwide or just grab the current AMOLED.
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
kelvintan said:
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
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I think it comes down to personal preference. I kind of like the AMOLED screen, and mine has a very soft neuance of a pinkish hue. But nothing that is annoying or anything. The SLCD is as you know the secondary preference of HTC, but it seems to be as good as the first choice..
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
Nit3m4re said:
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
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Can't agree more. Haven't seen a SLCD live but I really like the shiny colors and this is enough reason for me to choose AMOLED over lcd I really don't care about the slight pink effect and anyway it's almost gone in 2.2.
I'm really happy with my desire
Regards
If you don't notice anything wrong with the screen on a Desire with amoled screen then don't bother with the canadian version.
Some people are just more geeky and uptight about these things.
Personally the oversaturated colors was the first thing I noticed when I saw the phone in a shop without having read about the issue on the internet.
Amoled: The colors is punchier and fuller, the blacks will be deeper.
This sounds really good and most people dont find the oled on the desire bad
at all. Because of the type of amoled they used on the desire the screen wont
seem as sharp as a hvga screen should be. If you want to see amoled screen
done right, check out the samsung omnia hd, just perfect.
Lcd: The colors arent as full but after having had a tp2 for 6 months i think it looks really good anyway. Any lcd screen with hvga resolution will appear alot sharper than the one on the desire. Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire. Dont know if thats true that just the way it appears to me and what I prefer.
The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel. ips panels arent normally used on cell phones but alot of
graphics artists use them on lcd monitors when doing photo work.
I think theyre supposed to show colors more accuratley than
tn or pva panels.
I know the viewing angles on them are really good,
like 160 degrees. The downside has been that they don't have quite as
fast response time as tn or pva panels but it isnt a big deal if youre
not a twitch fps player.
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire.
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel.
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Can you share a source of that info?
phentex said:
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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If you have two horses, one drinks 5 liters of water per day no matter what is doing, and other drinks 2 liters doing nothing and 10 if runs all day in full gallop, which one drinks more?
Consider you need additional 200 liters everyday to clean them and stables. Does it matter at all which one drinks more?
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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I don't think that the colors are deeper and the color spectrum or color space is the same thing, maybe im wrong. I found the colors the desire screen showed were deeper, by deeper i mean more intense and fuller, as one should expect from a oled display. To me, the colorspace didnt seem as wide as on my tp2's lcd screen. That's my personal impression of it. It could be because of the pinkish hue wish also might add to the oversaturation of some colors. I found the color red specially to be oversaturated wich gave me the impression of the colorspace not to be so wide.
It's true that Amoled can show more colors than lcd, at least when oled
is done right.
Can you share a source of that info?
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You know what, im not sure that I can. I was pretty sure that ive read somewhere that S-lcd is the buzzword for Samsung's and Sony's joint venture for creating newer generation lcd displays with ips panels.
But now that I look for it im not so sure. I was certain i read an post on Engadget where they clearly stated that it was ips panel but I cant find that now.
There is one source vaugley explaining it here:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-for...ft-lcd-from-amoled-due-to-shortages-20100625/
But it says:
"But, the big question is: what is Super TFT LCD? Well, you’ve actually heard of it before, because it has a nickname that’s come up recently in the news (after the announcement of a certain tablet). Super TFT LCD’s nickname is IPS. Which, yes, became “famous” thanks to Apple’s iPad tablet. It provides a wide viewing angle, and provides very clear images — even if the colors aren’t as “distinguished” when compared to an AMOLED display."
But the source of those news is:
http://www.oled-display.net/the-sma...tc-must-switch-the-display-from-amoled-to-lcd
Wich really doesnt say anything about being an ips panel
If the SLCD is even vaguely readable in direct sunlight, go for it. Because the AMOLED isn't, I don't care what people claim.
If it's an IPS panel, the I'd be very tempted to give 'SLCD' a try.
But whenever I pick up another phone since getting my Desire I notice the muddy, bleeding blacks that OLED eliminates.
It's official now. Wondering any review which is better..
youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
fadasma said:
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
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Sorry, but I don't think the AMOLED shortage had *anything* to do with Google shutting up shop on selling the Nexus One!
Regards,
Dave
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM
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That video kinda makes me feel good about having an AMOLED screen.
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
janroar said:
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
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Patterned vertical alignment and super patterned vertical alignment (S-PVA) are alternative versions of MVA technology offered by Samsung's and Sony's joint venture S-LCD. Developed independently, they offer similar features to MVA, but with higher contrast ratios of up to 3000:1.....
PVA and S-PVA offer the best black depth of any LCD type along with wide viewing angles. S-PVA also offers fast response times using modern RTC technologies.
Source: Search Wikipedia for TFT LCD
I've had a new HTC Desire with S-LCD in my hand for a while, along with my old Amoled one.
It's surely a lot better than my old LCD (Touch HD).
What impressed me is the clarity of the display, the whites, the good contrast compared to old LCD and the fact that (I think) the phone is lighter.
Of course blacks and contrast are miles better on amoled.
But where it failed me, is better readability in direct sunlight. It's more or less the same as amoled, which is (for me) average. I can live with that, but I expected the S-LCD to compensate more for its shortcomings.
All in all, I feared worse, but I would take amoled any day.
according to my box, I have the amoled screen.
Must say I'm pleased with whatever it is !!
Just read this article on how HTC are planning to replace the beloved AMOLED screens with Super LCD screens later this summer, both on the Nexus One and HTC Desire...
http://www.talkandroid.com/7681-slcd-displays-added-to-htc-desire-nexus-one/
For us existing owners, fair or unfair?
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So people want an SLCD screen over an AMOLED? :S I thought AMOLED were superior, with better battery life and more vivid colours? And why do some people hate pentile screens so much. I've got a replacement HTC desire due - and I'm just hoping it's an AMOLED screen, rather than a SLCD... but from some of the comments I'm hearing, I should be hoping it's an SLCD?
“The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC’s current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance.”
Better battery life has been touted as one of the advantages of AMOLED, but HTC claims that the new SLCD screens have five times better power management than standard older LCD screens, nullifying AMOLEDs advantage in that regard. AMOLED also struggles in bright sunlight, so SLCD could win out there too. Finally, HTC also said that SLCD can now compete on viewing angles too, thanks to Sony’s “VSPEC III technology”.
An HTC spokesman told TrustedReviews that both variants will be on sale at the same time and that it believed that that most people will not be able to tell the difference between the two types of display. It is not clear at this stage how they will be differentiated in the market, if at all.
I want LCD
I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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MasDroid said:
I would want the LCD screen too, just for the benefit of battery performance... wish we could send our devices back for this upgrade, should have been part of the warranty agreement!
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The "improved" battery performance is over traditional LCD displays - not the AMOLED display used in the Desire!
I'm almost positive that you'll find that the AMOLED display currently in the Desire is better than the SLCD that will replace it. IMHO, the *only* reason HTC are moving to SLCD is because Samsung cannot deliver the required AMOLED screens in sufficient quantities, and the rest of that press release is "spin" to make it sound like it is some sort of upgrade.
Regards,
Dave
@Dave Ah yes... i misread the above statement
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I think foxmeister is right... HTC had no choice but to make this change and so they're trying to convince us that it's in our best interest.
Whenever I use my iPod Touch I immediately notice the grey blacks and washed out colours... and that's a pretty well regarded LCD. The only comments I've read on the forum from people who've received replacement Desires with the new screen have been negative.
If my Desire breaks and they try and replace it with an SLCD model, I will not go down without a fight!
1.Still it is improvement.
Even now battery life nearly the same if you use light screen(dont like darkness).
2.No Pentile.
For me its a +.(just cant get used to it)
3.No pink screens. (for some, mine is very, very little noticeable.)
4.More realistic colors.
One thing I love about the OLED tech is the gorgeous perfect blacks. Current LCD technology by its nature can not top that.
On the other hand sunlight visibility is probably a more important issue
I wouldn't worry about color saturation fidelity : I think it is a non-issue, (as long as it's not awful) it's mainly a matter of preference on a handset (nobody will be doing color correction and/or color grading on a display smaller than 24" ).
The reason for the switch is rumored to be a shortage of AMOLED screens anyway.
When you switch from AMOLED to SLCD you lose the perfect blacks but possibly gain better sunlight visibility, and maybe gain/lose a bit more natural/muted colors.
Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?
If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.
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If you read the PR blurb, it reads very much like HTC trying to convince people that the SLCD is "as good" as AMOLD rather than "better". If there was a genuine advantage, HTC would use this as a chance to sing its praises, so I suspect that the SLCD screen will likely be slightly inferior to our current AMOLD screens.
For anyone thinking of replacing their current desire with this new one, I'd advise waiting until someone properly reviews and tests the screen.
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Nope. It was more HTC saying that they're very similar. They couldn't tout that one was better than the other due to commercial implications (e.g. old desire owners would be unhappy etc.). They couldn't say they were equal as they're different technologies. 'Comparible' keeps it PC and implies gains and losses, but overall similar.
There is an comparison
No text sharpness test
Agree with manni calavera, to my opinion the trade is going to be between the perfect black/vivid colours of amoled vs the better sunlight legibility of the SLCD. I don't expect a drastic change of the battery performance, only a few % up our down.
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This just looks like spin to make SLCDs appear technically as good when they are not. They'll have higher reflectance, max luminance and lower max white power but they can't outclass AMOLED in anything other. The colour reproduction will be dependent on MFG calibration/software.
1. Some other reports on the topic:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/201883/shortages_prompt_htc_to_swap_display_technologies.html
http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-dumps-amoled
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-confirms-slcd-rumours-claims-its-better-than-amoled/?mobify=0
Heh.
This was the original press release by HTC:
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology."
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2. See the technology advantages?
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
http://www.datamodul.com/us/page/popup_pages/OLED/CMEL OLED power consumption and lifetime.pdf
Except for a full white screen or full blue, at max brightness, I highly doubt they are going to get anywhere near that low power with an LCD in the typical application with various colours or on your homescreens. Definitely not when playing a movie, a game or so on.
3. AMOLED is far more costly to manufacture and more costly to buy than LCD tech. Every major smartphone MFG (except Apple/Blackberry AFAIK) wouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon if there weren't significant benefits to the technology over the older LCD tech as it was costing them more and introducing major delays to their roadmaps with the tight supply.
4. Samsung is the no.1 LCD/Tv/AMOLED maker in the world. At a very recent engineering conference, yet again, the paper they presented is eulogising AMOLED displays everywhere:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-...ec-anoints-AMOLED-displays-as-next-big-thing-
http://i.cmpnet.com/eetimes/51-1.pdf
5. Display tests done on Droid/Nexus One/iPhone 3GS screens revealed their combined power consumption somewhat.
http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm
The Droid had the best LCD display accuracy by far but compare the max RGB sub-pixel power draws... AMOLED is at least half if not lower. Those were "synthetic" tests. Had they ran a movie or displayed an image and measured power, you'd see the AMOLED at least 1/2 if not 1/3 to 1/4 of the power (unless it was full white or blue - no pun). "SLCD" isn't that much of an improvement to outclass those LCDs by 1.5x in power, let alone 5x.
6. Sonys VSPEC III LCD specs are here, and they're nothing special except the much improved viewing angle:
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news/vol55/pdf/acx391akb.pdf
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i personally think AMOLED is poor, text look really had when they are not zoomed in. you can see each dots when you look at a website text or picture. Fine example would be the home screen. The icons look dotty like old skool dot matrix printer.
I'm comparing this to a Good LCD found in nokia n900 and iphone 4
Sebacestmoi said:
Does someone know if they are going to correct the multitouch bug with this new screen?
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I would also like to know this, Seen as HTC has ditched the synaptic clearpad 2000. New touch sensor aswell as screen? can anyone confirm?
i wouldn't do that if i were u
i wouldn't do that if i were you
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FYI - Can HTC tell whether your phone has an AMOLED or SLCD screen?
Short answer:
No.
Longer answer:
I bought my phone from Orange and thus the box comes Orange branded. Therefore, it doesn't say on the box whether than phone is AMOLED or SLCD (referred to as multitouch or something like that). I contacted Orange who haven't got a clue and just told me is AMOLED by reading their stock description. I contacted HTC UK and gave them the serial number of the phone. They said that at this present time there was no way for them to decipher whether I had an AMOLED or SLCD screen. There may be in the future but at the moment there is not.
The one bit of interesting information HTC could provide is that 90% of their stock is AMOLED and 10% is SLCD.
The reason I looked into this is because I can't really tell from the videos online what screen I have. There are some murmurings that all SLCD phones are bootloader 0.83 (what I have) but unfortunately not all 0.83 phones are SLCD.
http://pocketnow.com/android/how-to-tell-if-your-htc-desire-has-slcd-or-amoled-screen
Already read that. And I'd say it's actually pretty difficult to tell unless you have their exact screenshots.
And a magnifying glass!
The box for mine said "3.7-inch touch-sensitive screen", but it has the 0.75 HBOOT, so I really need to find a magnifying glass to check it.
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Already read that. And I'd say it's actually pretty difficult to tell unless you have their exact screenshots.
And a magnifying glass!
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If it's so hard to tell why bother?
It really is easy to tell
Go into a dark room and go into the settings menu (which has a black background colour). If the black is lit at all or slightly grey, you have SLCD. If it is totally black (and I really mean no light at all) you have AMOLED. I have both and it really is easy to tell them apart in by the contrast of the settings menus, not so easy otherwise.
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Go into a dark room and go into the settings menu (which has a black background colour). If the black is lit at all or slightly grey, you have SLCD. If it is totally black (and I really mean no light at all) you have AMOLED. I have both and it really is easy to tell them apart in by the contrast of the settings menus, not so easy otherwise.
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that's not entirley correct. I have Amoled, and even in a dark room, it's not 'totally' black.
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If it's so hard to tell why bother?
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Because there are some rooting methods that require you to know whether you're on SLCD or AMOLED... Having said that there are workarounds but it would be nice to know which method before I start.
As for the dark room idea, I'll try it. Thanks.
I'm 99% sure mine has an AMOLED screen because the bootloader was 0.80 (before the 2.2 upgrade)
My box didn't mention AMOLED on the box (so it could have been either)
One thing I have noticed is that a block of white against a darker background appear to have a slight pinkish toothcomb on the left edge of the white block (eg the HTC clock widget that's usually on the main home screen.
I believe this is a sign of the pentile arrangement of pixels that you get in the Desire's AMOLED screen.
ie:
****
****
Without a magnifying glass though its difficult to be certain.
Do what I did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7257878&postcount=10
Take a picture of the phone with a macro zoom camera. The pentiles become easily distinguishable.
i had both amoled and slcd side by side and all i can say is that the difference is huge...
if open your browser and set text size to large and than browse to xda forums... with amoled you won't be able to read clearly without zooming in, but on slcd you will be able to read and see everything clearly..
other than that amoled is brighter and has more contrast but slcd has a lot more clearer picture, that is easily visible when you put two phones side by side
for me slcd is a lot better.
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i had both amoled and slcd side by side and all i can say is that the difference is huge...
if open your browser and set text size to large and than browse to xda forums... with amoled you won't be able to read clearly without zooming in, but on slcd you will be able to read and see everything clearly..
other than that amoled is brighter and has more contrast but slcd has a lot more clearer picture, that is easily visible when you put two phones side by side
for me slcd is a lot better.
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A work colleague has just received his Desire and one of the first things he did was compare it to mine. He has an SLCD screen and I have AMOLED. When placed side by side the difference is gobsmackingly obvious. On the SLCD text appears far smoother, although the colours do appear to be washed out.
I agree that the SLCD is better, but I will say that I am more than happy with my AMOLED screen.
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that's not entirley correct. I have Amoled, and even in a dark room, it's not 'totally' black.
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Ok, I exaggerated a little. I actually have an AMOLED Legend and an SLCD Desire. Just for my own sanity I checked again and the Legend AMOLED screen does have totally 100% blacks, even in a completely dark environment. I assume an AMOLED Desire would be the same and hence as easily identifiable.
If you think about it, AMOLED will always produce complete blacks as each pixel is not even powered for black output. The light you report to see on an AMOLED screen can only be explained by reflection. If your screen emits light from 100% black areas then you have SLCD.
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Well,one easy way is to put it next to your computers monitor while it shows a black image.The phone should be in the settings menu.If both seem about the same colour,you have an SLCD.If the monitor's picture seems grey while the phone's is pitch black,it's AMOLED.
I hope it helps those who don't have two devices to compare.
I have both the AMOLED and SLCD Desire. It's a clear difference. Mine has no bleeding around the edges. But It's clear to see the SLCD when the Call screen is on. The AMOLED is a lot blacker where as the SLCD is more gray than black.
The colours are also a lot more vibrant and alive on AMOLED, the SLCD looks washed out. The brightness is also higher on AMOLED.
You dont need magnifying glass. Droplet of water on screen will do.
I will be getting a Desire tomorrow or the next day and I don't know whether I'll get AMOLED or SLCD, so I want to know, are their quality worlds apart? Would it really make a difference to have either one of those? Is one better? How does both of them compare to iPhone 3GS's screen?
To the average person both are very very similar and you would not notice a difference without knowing there was two sorts of screens.
Chances are you won't get a choice of which to get, it just depends what is in stock.
Stat wise SLCD takes it on paper as being the best, but only marginally.
Honestly it really doesn't matter which you get, unless you compare two devices side by side you won't even know.
Because of the pentile matrix on the AMOLED, I would go with the S-LCD. The AMOLED is said to be over saturated in dark environments, and unable to read in the sun. I'd rather have balanced colors inside and readable screen outdoors. Also, the S-LCD have a real 800x480 resolution
Had both side by side for a while.
They are absolutely equal in bright sunlight. That said, people suspect that some amoled screens come out of the factory better than others.
Blacks, contrast and bright colours are absolutely better on the amoled
Bright whites and overall colour balance is probably a bit better on S-LCD
Pixel smoothness and small text readability is a bit better on S-LCD. That said, after you have amoled for a while you will realize that unless you keep your nose touching the screen, your vision will process the amoled screen the same way as the S-LCD. Takes some time though.
Battery usage: we made -accurate- -measured- tests, of the battery drain in milliamperes/milliwatts. They came out very close, the main difference is obviously that amoled display is optimized for displaying dark stuff. Overall I think you save a bit of battery with amoled, but anyway the results were that:
- on low-medium brightness (inside) amoled is almost always better. If you are displaying all white screen, they are closer
- on medium brightness it depends on what you are displaying (light vs dark) but there is not a lot of difference, although amoled tends to save a bit more
- on high brightness (outside) amoled almost invariably drains more than S-LCD, except when the screen is very dark. When displaying almost completely white screens at max brightness, amoled loses big time compared to S-LCD, but that is the only situation where this big difference happens.
One last noticeable difference is colour temperature, but that also varies from handset to handset. Amoled tends to be a bit on the warm side (at least on mine) and S-LCD on cool. The old 'problem' of the pinkish tint is gone with the froyo update, those few displays still affected by it could be counted as defective.
Oh and by the way, here almost invariably if the box doesn't say 'amoled' you are getting a S-LCD screen. I have to admit I was very surprised at first by the quality of S-LCD and mistaken it for a differently calibrated amoled for some minutes. Blacks are good, but not close to amoled, if you go into a dark room you should notice
Hey guys, just wondering how good the screen on the Desire is. I've heard some pretty bad things about it and was wondering if the "pixel problem" actually affects the display.
How are HQ youtube videos/regular videos? How is picture viewing? How's the phone while in bright sunlight?
Well.. talking of the screen.. I'm having the AMOLED version.. first generation Desire's.. It's actually very clear.. although, I'm having a similar 'problem' ? With some light angles.. I see a pattern of very small dots in the AMOLED screen.. those are not dead pixels.. but in the glass I asume. Anyone having similar stuff ?
A8183 with SLCD here.
Screen is awesome! I have moved from a HTC Touch Diamond 2 to this. Great screen.
I haven't tried Youtube, as I have a computer for that. Pictures are as good as any phone I have seen, including the iPhone 4. Bright sunlight can be an issue, but much better than my TD2, which I can only assume has an LCD, not an SLCD.
The screen is great! I haven't noticed the pinkish tint that some people reported, i think it was fixed. Mines the Amoled version
I've had both AMOLED and SLCD and can honestly say that neither screen will detract from the wonders of the Desire.
The AMOLED display has amazing viewing angles (IE from every possible angle, it looks great), blacks are black, and colours are fantastic.
With the SLCD display, colours are more 'natural' (less vibrant, which can sometimes, though not to me, seem overwhelming). That is about the only thing i can think of that is better than the AMOLED in comparison. A downside is that blacks are backlit, and look a dark dark blue-grey. This bothered me greatly to begin with, but I have become accustomed to it now. Also, the viewing angles are nowhere near as gooda as the AMOLED display.
In sunlight - neither display is better than the other, and both are pretty terrible at maximum brightness. But then again, I don't really make it a habit of using it in the sunlight.
Pictures look great on both, and so does video, with the exception of dark scenes, where the blacks on the AMOLED look fantastic, and no so fantastic on the SLCD.
At any rate, neither suffer from any problems that affect usability in the way you describe.
Oh! And in response to the comment about the dots: I think they are part of the touchscreen circuitry. I can see them in certain angles, too.
Very nice screen indeed, the AMOLED version at least. Kind of annoying in direct sunlight though
I have a pvt1 1st generation desire with an amoled screen, and have never had a pixel problem :-D
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I have the amoled disire, the display is fantastic unless you're beneath the midday sun
I actually prefer the slcd screen on my desire to the super amoled on my dads sgs. the colours just look to in your face on the sgs, and much more natural and easier on the eyes on the desire
The screen is amazing! Although the touch part of it is horrible.
So I am coming from an LCD screen to the Nokia's Amoled screen and I am curious on Amoled screen is the white supposed to be a "rainbow" color? Like on my LCD screen White is well WHITE no other colors bleeding through. On this amoled screen I am see like a rainbow of colors behind the white like reds, blues, etc it's till white sort of but not as crystal white as the LCD.
Is this by design and something I should get used to? I thought Amoled was supposed to be better...
Laquox said:
So I am coming from an LCD screen to the Nokia's Amoled screen and I am curious on Amoled screen is the white supposed to be a "rainbow" color? Like on my LCD screen White is well WHITE no other colors bleeding through. On this amoled screen I am see like a rainbow of colors behind the white like reds, blues, etc it's till white sort of but not as crystal white as the LCD.
Is this by design and something I should get used to? I thought Amoled was supposed to be better...
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Whites on Amoled appear to be off-white. It's been this way with every Amoled device. I've never seen it to appear "rainbow" colored.
Amoled produces richer more saturated colors and outstanding black levels.
LCD and SLCD is a lot brighter than Amoled (hence the crystal white) but the black levels do not compare.
Before my 900, I was an SLCD fan. But Amoled with the clearblack looks like SLCD on steroids. Minus the lower white levels. Of course this is just my opinion.
So it's possibly just the ultra saturation bleeding through the "whites" that give it the "rainbow" effect. I don't know how else to to describe it. White is simply no white but like a multi spectrum white with other colors bleeding through.
Looking at mine right now the white looks pretty darn white.
The thing I have noticed is for instance when I bought a samsung focus I was torn between it and two HTC Devices... I forget the names. Both were SLCD. I just COULD NOT get past the washed out look of the HTC devices over the samsung.
The nokia is even richer in color than the samsung.
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Looking at mine right now the white looks pretty darn white.
The thing I have noticed is for instance when I bought a samsung focus I was torn between it and two HTC Devices... I forget the names. Both were SLCD. I just COULD NOT get past the washed out look of the HTC devices over the samsung.
The nokia is even richer in color than the samsung.
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Agreed - I've had the Focus, HD7s, and now the Nokia 900 and the Nokia is so far my favorite. I feel I should point out that the 'Nokia Blue' theme is sharper than the default windows phone blue theme, making the other devices appear washed out when in fact it's the correct color.
But the ability to use the device outdoors was a huge factor in my selection, certainly.
I like all the colors in the amoled except white. White really looks washed out compared to LCD screens and this is the only disappointment I have with amoled screens.
the benefits of an amoled are color saturation, deep rich blacks, and energy consumption on non-white backgrounds
SLCD create more "accurate" colors, that some see as washed out - generally are a bit brighter (lumens) and more white whites
the amoled produce off whites - if you compare the two, but you should not really notice it on an amoled unless you compare it to a true white
also, off angles can produce a slight blue hue to the whites
to each his own - I prefer the amoleds blacks (with the WP7 metro themes), to the washed out colors of an SLCD - but that does not mean you or someone else will too
could it be that your screen might be dirty?
i know on mine if i have some water or oil on the screen it will create a prism effect, which will rainbow the colors, especially with a white screen.
personally i haven't seen whites get a rainbow effect, but they are a little dim, which could be partly due to the screen tech (amoled) and could also be the hardware dimming them intentionally to save on battery (white is a battery killer on amoled screens)
but the inky blacks and pop of color from amoled makes me not really care, as the screen looks brilliant.
and the clearblack display on the nokia is great in the sun.
rainbow colors are only suppose appear on pentile displays. this phone has a true rgb screen so i dont see why
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Whites on Amoled appear to be off-white. It's been this way with every Amoled device. I've never seen it to appear "rainbow" colored.
Amoled produces richer more saturated colors and outstanding black levels.
LCD and SLCD is a lot brighter than Amoled (hence the crystal white) but the black levels do not compare.
Before my 900, I was an SLCD fan. But Amoled with the clearblack looks like SLCD on steroids. Minus the lower white levels. Of course this is just my opinion.
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AMOLED does not inherently have dim whites. Samsung just programs a dimming condition into the firmware on some its AMOLED panels that make it dim the brightness based on the % of white pixels on the screen (as a sneaky way to improve battery). The Focus S has an extra setting that lets you disable this, but the L900 does not have that setting.
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AMOLED does not inherently have dim whites. Samsung just programs a dimming condition into the firmware on some its AMOLED panels that make it dim the brightness based on the % of white pixels on the screen (as a sneaky way to improve battery). The Focus S has an extra setting that lets you disable this, but the L900 does not have that setting.
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I see. Bummer
A dim AMOLED screen also helps prolong the panel life span a lot. AMOLED screens are extremely prone to burn in. Avoid extreme brightness and avoid leave screen on for extended period.
Just remember this: it is very easy to bump up a screen's brightness (brighter back light on LCD) but it is extremely difficult to produce true blackness on a screen. The strength of AMOLE is the true black because it has no back light. Each pixels emit light. Darker black = higher contrast. No LCD can ever match the black level of an AMOLED screen.
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A dim AMOLED screen also helps prolong the panel life span a lot. AMOLED screens are extremely prone to burn in. Avoid extreme brightness and avoid leave screen on for extended period.
Just remember this: it is very easy to bump up a screen's brightness (brighter back light on LCD) but it is extremely difficult to produce true blackness on a screen. The strength of AMOLE is the true black because it has no back light. Each pixels emit light. Darker black = higher contrast. No LCD can ever match the black level of an AMOLED screen.
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i wouldnt keep saying that lol, htcs IPS SLD 2 can almost match against the blacks of a super amoled and has better colors all around without having to be pentile. unless you were to compare side to side you would be completely happy with the blacks on the one x.
edit: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/ compare the blacks, barely a difference unless you were looking hard
i would go with the ips slcd 2 anyday considering no burn, great viewing angles, great battery life especially whites and cloes to as good battery life on blacks, visable outdoors, realistic looking colors/not over saturated, etc. its a balance between good blacks, and good whites. still wouldnt touch the one x though
^^^ above poster have never used an amoled display
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^^^ above poster have never used an amoled display
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I most definitely have. from samsungs first amoled screens the behold 2. and both gens of galaxy s.
and i take it you have used the one x? no? since its the only phone with the IPS SLCD "2". not talking about regular SLCD, i have the amaze and the blacks look like crap.
almost every reviewer that has had their hands on nearly every android handset has stated its the best screen they have seen. just my 2 cents.
LCD is growing, OLED is still failing with screen burn.
also, im no htc fanboy (anymore). i really want the lumia 900 actually
Any reviewer says SLCD2 is better or equal to AMOLED has no clue what they are talking about. For the most part, they equal high brightness to better display. Read those reviews carefully. They are probably the same idiots who prefer LCD TVs to Plasma TVs. They made no scientific measurements of the contrast ratio of the screens. So, basically they are simply talking out of their a**.
Yes, LCD has more accurate colors. But it can never have better or equal blacks. There is no way to make LCD panel to block backlight completely.
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Any reviewer says SLCD2 is better or equal to AMOLED has no clue what they are talking about. For the most part, they equal high brightness to better display. Read those reviews carefully. They are probably the same idiots who prefer LCD TVs to Plasma TVs. They made no scientific measurements of the contrast ratio of the screens. So, basically they are simply talking out of their a**.
Yes, LCD has more accurate colors. But it can never have better or equal blacks. There is no way to make LCD panel to block backlight completely.
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I guess almost every reviewer that has reviewed this phone talks out of their ass, technobuffalo, engadget, phonedog, telegraph? lol, nearly every review that i have read said that. people who love the galaxy s 2, and both aaron from phonedog and john from technobuffalo used the note as their daily and preferred the one x screen.
just because the blacks are one notch off doesnt mean it's not superior. considering it will have better battery life, much more accurate colors, sharper images (when compared to pentile especially), no screen burn (plasma tvs have that horribly, so id stick with my lcd tv). blacks arent the most important color on a phone lol, and i never said they are better or as good. they are pretty damn close though. especially for being a LCD. after seeing screen burn on plasma tvs and oled screen its hard to say id rather have one. people who want a little bit more black screens are okay with screen burn?
and horrible whites?
also, people who dont stay in a cave all day. the ones who go out side, ips is far superior lol considering you have grea viewing angles and its completely viewable outside.
compared to the galaxy nexus the blacks almost looks exactly the same.
i would rather have amoled screen on wp7, but on android i would probably rather have the sld2
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/13/lg-renames-optimus-lte-to-optimus-true-hd-lte-disses-samsungs/
look at this photo: http://i43.tinypic.com/2wn7jfd.jpg
you can barely tell a difference between the menu dots and the bezel. opposed to other lcds. it could be comparable to amoled defintely.
outside photo with low brightness: http://i44.tinypic.com/ipqgzs.jpg
still compeltely visible
overal its all about personal preference, but im sure saying that the new screen is comparable and would even be hard to choose from even over super amoled. i was about to ditch LCD honestly (my amaze has horrible blacks) before seeing this screen. too bad its not in other phones.
Screen quality better be left to those know how to compare, e.g. those who review hdtv for a living. lmao the stuff you quoted above.
Remember, contrast ratio = brigest / darkest. The slight difference in black level significantly changes the contrast ratio. Not so much on brightness.
Yes, there are magic coatings on LCD screens that make them appear dark then actually is. The problem is such coating could cause black crush or false contour. Of course those phone reviewer didn't test those important aspect of PQ of a panel, did they?
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Screen quality better be left to those know how to compare, e.g. those who review hdtv for a living. lmao the stuff you quoted above.
Remember, contrast ratio = brigest / darkest. The slight difference in black level significantly changes the contrast ratio. Not so much on brightness.
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Not really something to even think about. OLED hasnt been seen on a mobile devices over WVGA resolution WITHOUT pentile, we all know pentile sucks. colors, sharpness, etc. we have HD screens with IPS completely sharp, great colors, etc. just my 2 cents
http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/48137-image/100-Crop-Red.jpg <- pentile
you dont need to review tvs to know if a mobile screen is good or not. these people have had their hands on nearly every android/wp7/blackberry/wm6 handset. pretty sure they have some say, especially for engadget always hating on every company besides apple then says the one x has the best screen they have seen lol.
both AMOLED/SAMOLED, and IPS SLCD have 16m colors. except the IPS has better viewing angles, no screen bleed, able to see the screen outside, whites to look blue, etc. you dont need to be a reviewer to know which is better.
unless your like everything on your phone to be black, and nothing but black then i dont see the point of saying oled is better just because the blacks are a notch better..
on different OS i would prefer different types of screens. LCD would be crap on wp7 i think unless you used whites a lot. we have yet to see IPS SLCD on wp7 i dont ever think we will. on android though i and other people like having high resolution, good looking colors, etc. cant have that with amoled unless you like pentile. wvga doesnt cut it with android anymore
take a look at the nokia 701, has lcd with clearblack and the blacks look great one it.
FYI, iPhone 4/4s has IPS screen and yet it looks hazey and has the lowest contrast ratio among almost all smartphone screens. IPS maybe better than other LCD screens. But it is still LCD screen. It is physically not possible to completely block the backlite. Otherwise, we don't need local dimming technology on high end LCD TVs anymore.