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The first update is almost here!!

hello i'm an android user but i have great news for you. Microsoft released this kb article and this means that the first update for WP7 is almost here
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484/en-us

sammy_user said:
hello i'm an android user but i have great news for you. Microsoft released this kb article and this means that the first update for WP7 is almost here
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2484484/en-us
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Old news, old... It was released some time ago...

yea it is a few days old, but thanks for sharing with us though and please keep us informed of anything more you may find. appreciate you taking the step to come and share with us, even if you aren't a windows phone user.

Yeah despite this being old, this is a big indication we could see the update between tomorrow and next week. I'm sure Microsoft wants to get the update out before or during MWC so they have something worthwhile to present there.
Also, I'm expecting details of that second update at the MIX 11 developers conference this year. After all, MS introduced WP7 at MWC and then went into more detail when MIX came around.

Perhaps 7th Feb
Ive read that the update will be out on the 7th Feb.

I wouldn't count on Feb. 7 date, it may happen but don't get your hopes up. This rumour reminds me of the MS CES tablet stuff that never really happened. The original blog that reported Feb. 7 didn't provide any proof did they?

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Ive read that the update will be out on the 7th Feb.
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AFAIK, this is correct, but it's predicted for the "week of the 7th" so it could be any time next week. Can confirm the update is with carriers around the world.

Can I ask a possibly dumb question? Why is everyone so pumped for an update?
It's just, I know it'll speed up apps loading, and add copy+paste, etc. But I mean, even without it, wp7 is such a smooth OS, I just don't know what the rush is in hoping for an "OMG UPDATEZZ!!!1!111". It's not like wp7 is broken right now, and only an update will make it useable. And honestly I've only needed to use copy/paste once, and even then it wasn't a big deal...

I suspect everyone will be quite disappointed by the update...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

sure haven't said:
Can I ask a possibly dumb question? Why is everyone so pumped for an update?
It's just, I know it'll speed up apps loading, and add copy+paste, etc. But I mean, even without it, wp7 is such a smooth OS, I just don't know what the rush is in hoping for an "OMG UPDATEZZ!!!1!111". It's not like wp7 is broken right now, and only an update will make it useable. And honestly I've only needed to use copy/paste once, and even then it wasn't a big deal...
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C & P alone is a big deal, but maybe it will fix other broken aspects of the OS like random hard-resets, messed up market, etc..

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landwomble said:
I suspect everyone will be quite disappointed by the update...
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I suspect that none of the features/fixes in the update, by themselves or taken as a whole, will be a "big deal". For many of us, this is a test of Microsofts credibility and support for this OS. The real question is, are they going to become responsive to their user base and make serious attempts to keep current with their competition? Most of us are waiting to see how often they release updates and whether the contents of those updates are valuable to their user base. We won't know that for a few updates I am sure.

orangekid said:
messed up market, etc..
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You know what, yeah I can see that. The marketplace freezing is verrrrry annoying. Makes me feel like I'm on 6.5 again.
And this...
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random hard-resets
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...frightens me a little. Haven't heard of that before.

The real signal that the update is coming soon is when the Zune and Mac clients are updated to make backups. That's what I'm most looking forward to. Up until now there's no way to back up text messages, files, or app data and I have a lot of stuff on my phone I'd like to protect.

I use the Samsung Focus. I've never had any Market place issues with freeze ups, Ive certainly never had a random hard reset. I've only wished hard, around 4 times since 11/8/10 that I could copy and paste. I also haven't been able to view 90% of the embedded videos on the web sites Ive visited (Flash?). I want an update.. like 3 weeks ago like the big boys at MS said I would. I want to have enough faith in MS that come next upgrade I feel excited to update my hardware not my OS.

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I use the Samsung Focus. I've never had any Market place issues with freeze ups, Ive certainly never had a random hard reset. I've only wished hard, around 4 times since 11/8/10 that I could copy and paste. I also haven't been able to view 90% of the embedded videos on the web sites Ive visited (Flash?). I want an update.. like 3 weeks ago like the big boys at MS said I would. I want to have enough faith in MS that come next upgrade I feel excited to update my hardware not my OS.
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No lags, no issues with Marketplace, no resets, no freezes, two instances when copy and paste would have been nice, but countless need for Flash. Waiting to see what MS comes through with, and then the frequency of followup updates.

JamesAllen said:
No lags, no issues with Marketplace, no resets, no freezes, two instances when copy and paste would have been nice, but countless need for Flash. Waiting to see what MS comes through with, and then the frequency of followup updates.
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thats primarily up to Adobe.... and now that their development is outsourced to India I don't put too much faith in them...

z33dev33l said:
thats primarily up to Adobe.... and now that their development is outsourced to India I don't put too much faith in them...
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What's wrong with India?

vetvito said:
What's wrong with India?
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It's more the outsourcing period...

I need update. So many things missing.
Countless c&p lacks, flash..... Eeeeh, it's so annoying.
Marketplace works like crap sometimes - just hangs.
Also some apps are laggy.

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What's wrong with India?
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Nothing wrong with the country, but I've seen several references to how outsourcing to low-cost countries really doesn't lower the development cost...Here in Norway, it seems most of the outsourced projects gets scrapped because they never finish. Might be because it's hard to delegate to people almost on the other side of the world, might be differences in cultures etc etc.
I don't put too much trust in outsourcing at all...unless the management actually spend time with the team.

my two cents about wp7 and nodo update

I've been sitting on the sidelines not being vocal, but I think there's something we need to consider...
When we got our wp7 phones we need what features were lacking. If you didn't you should have done some research before you bought the phone. Wp7 is still in its infancy and expect there to be bugs and problems. If you wanted something more concrete should have stick with your iphone or Android. For what we do have everything seems to run pretty smooth.
Im not going to lie, but I curious about the nodo update. But im glad I haven't received it. Because then our phones will be locked and the homebrew segment and actual limited customization will be gone. Until someone of course finds a work around. And someone always does. And honestly, on your old phones how many of you even knew it had a copy.paste feature? Instead of focusing on nodo update which doesn't really do much, except speed up our phones, why no concentrate more on mango! Mango is the update that we all should want! Just my two cents. Btw i use a HTC hd7 on tmobile USA and its done everything i wanted without any problems!

I think people are focusing on Nodo because it's the 1st update and it will give us an idea about how Microsoft will handle the platform.
If they can't even handle a small update with almost nothing in it, this is worrying for the future. If they need 5 months to release such a small update, when will we get Mango? it's nice to make big promises about Mango but I'm starting to believe Thurrott when he says 2012 when you consider Microsoft's pace. I couldn't care less about Nodo, I don't use C&P that much and it doesn't fix the bugs people really care about like Live Tiles and push notifications not working. It only fixes one bug and that's the marketplace one.
And how long until we stop saying "they've just started, give them time"? After 6 months they should be about to deliver their 2nd update and be talking about the next one. Even if it's in 3 months, at least talk about it! They act like they don't give a sh*t and I'm sure soon people will start trading their phones and go back to Android/iOS.

That's true too. But considering this is their first update we can't assume things will be perfect. Now if the next major update rolls out and there's still issues with updating I for would question Microsoft. But I see your point of view. Perhaps Microsoft was releasing this small update to see how their update system would work? Dunno, but don't give up on Microsoft just yet. Trust me, I miss my android G2, but my wp7 phone hasn't let me done yet. And I was just thinking, do we really need multitasking? That could open up a whole new can of worms.

A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.

vetvito said:
A can of good worms. Especially in the Modding scene.
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I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.

z33dev33l said:
I've been the first to defend WP7 and Microsoft all over XDA for months now but with official announcements starting to be pushed back while devices in other countries and even some here are running the update Microsoft is really starting to look bad.
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Same here. I'm really starting to get worried that it'll be like everyone feared.
Oh well, I really thought they would up their game with this.
Still a great phone, just now I know it won't be supported.

I'm still not quite sure what carriers have to do with updating the phone. The update comes through Zune. C&P can't screw up a network, neither can the marketplace not crashing all the time.
In other words, this update fiasco is purely MS's fault.
Be it that they didn't make a better deal with carriers, they underestimated logistics, they haven't been forthright with customers, it is the fault of MS.
On the other hand. If you bought the phone because some said someone at MS said an update was coming out soon that would add C&P, I can see how you'd be pissed off, but you'd still be silly for buying a phone based on a rumor as opposed to its merits, which are plentiful.
My problem with this whole thing is:
1/. If MS was gonna stay mum and not update us on the delays, they should've STFU all the way until they announced a concrete date for the update.
2/. If MS was gonna talk about updates, they should've kept us posted all the way instead of tidbits here and there.
The way their going about it making it so some can't even recommend WP7 because of this update fiasco. I mean, since when couldn't MS send out bug fixes? I get one almost every week for my PC and that OS is way more complicated than a phone OS.

That's so true. They shouldn't make promises they can't keep. And if they say something and it dont go right atleast keep us in the loop. I also agree its hard to reccomend a phone where the support from Microsoft seems to be very spotty. So my question is, is it still too early to tell the future of wp7? I guess now I can understand why some people are asking about trying to dual boot on our phones. So is it the carriers fault, Microsoft fault, or the OEMs hardware fault we're not getting updates? And since we have to update through Zune, what do the carriers have anything to do with the updates?

I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.

hassia said:
I think what is forgotten here is that XDA is a geek forum. Most people do not have a clue about copy and paste. They want to hear music surf the web and take pictures. We easily forget that we are not normal consumers.
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Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.

Peew971 said:
Normal customers want their push notifications to work properly, that should have been fixed within a month and Microsoft haven't even talked about it.
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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.

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Hear, hear! Allowing a maximum of 15 apps with notifications was a huge oversight on their part, and afaik there are still no plans to fix this.
As for the marketplace bugs, from what I can tell not even all of those are fixed in the No[Can]Do upgrade. Probably because this particular update has been sitting on the MS servers since January waiting for an actual release.
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The messed up part is that this is an advantage.
While they were ironing out whatever back-alley deals they had to iron out with the carriers, they could've been taking notes on what actual people in the know on forums like these had to ***** about.
They could've then slipped a few of the fixes, swapped a few 1s with 0s in the code, tweaked it around just a bit to make the OS even better.
Instead, we're going to get the update verbatim, the geek world is going to laugh and MS is gonna wonder where it all went wrong for the umpteenth time.

Probably just a reiteration of what others have said, but nonetheless my opinion. Microsoft first said that the NoDo update would be coming early next year so most people assumed January, than they said late February (I think they did), then it was early March, and now its late March. This update merely adds copy + paste (along with a few bugfixes, one of which ISN'T for the camera) and that is a very basic feature! Apple just released iOS 4.3 (which updated the Safari javascript engine and some other stuff) AHEAD of schedule by 2 days and Microsoft keeps pushing back a minor update by weeks.
I'm pissed because I want WP7 to succeed. I used the device and I loved the device, but it's not nearly as good as its competitors as a whole. If Microsoft doesn't figure out what their doing WP7 will fail.

The general rule is you NEVER buy a phone based on what is "coming". You always buy based on what is in the phone when you bought it. I went through the same crap with blackberry, promising an os update to the storm 2 series. When OS6 came out they were like nope, not supporting that handset. Go buy a the touch.
I'm very satisfied with the Samsung Focus I have now, any future updates is just icing on the cake. You'll be sorely disappointed if you buy things based on promises

Sorry I will have to reiterate my post 'normal consumers' want to play music,surf the web play youtube and games most will not use copy and paste that is just a fact. I work in a theater with a varied range of people most do not even know they have copy and paste capabilities.

Official: NoDo postponed to 2nd half of March

Of course, should we even be surprised at this point?
If you can read French, link:
http://windowsphone.frogz.fr/post/2011/03/09/Officiel-Mise-a-jour-NoDo-en-video-et-date-de-disponibilite.aspx

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=985084&page=12

Well the other thread is about the update coming anytime soon. With a new thread it's quite clear that won't be the case.

Damnn !
http://wmpoweruser.com/nodo-update-pushed-back-to-second-half-of-march
I'll say like comment 1 in the million time.

Pathetic.
If it's the carriers: f*ck you carriers
If it's Microsoft: f*ck you Microsoft
If it's because of troubles with Samsung, please just push it out those of us who were smart enough not to get a Samsung wp7.

This is just a joke, If no update by the end of this month time for a new device

These kind of comments really get my goat! Apple didn't release anything or communicate things for ages - yet their fan boys didn't go mad about it! For gods sake the WP7 devices area few months old, MS has arranged an update to fix some issues (of which WP7 is not alone in having when new) and yet you are moaning because it will be a few weeks late?

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These kind of comments really get my goat! Apple didn't release anything or communicate things for ages - yet their fan boys didn't go mad about it! For gods sake the WP7 devices area few months old, MS has arranged an update to fix some issues (of which WP7 is not alone in having when new) and yet you are moaning because it will be a few weeks late?
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I'm pretty sure their fanboys were mad as well. It's just that we didn't go to their forums to check as no one realized that POS was actually going to be a contender.

adamelphick said:
These kind of comments really get my goat! Apple didn't release anything or communicate things for ages - yet their fan boys didn't go mad about it! For gods sake the WP7 devices area few months old, MS has arranged an update to fix some issues (of which WP7 is not alone in having when new) and yet you are moaning because it will be a few weeks late?
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Then again at least Apple had 4 updates out given the same time span.
Microsoft is just **** at handling updates it seems. I'm really disappointed.
Like the other guy said, if no update by end of month, welp, iPhone 5 here I come.

adamelphick said:
These kind of comments really get my goat! Apple didn't release anything or communicate things for ages - yet their fan boys didn't go mad about it! For gods sake the WP7 devices area few months old, MS has arranged an update to fix some issues (of which WP7 is not alone in having when new) and yet you are moaning because it will be a few weeks late?
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The update fixes 2 issues: Copy and Paste and the marketplace app. That's it!
If Apple had issues with broken notifications, they wouldn't wait 6 months to address these. Microsoft hasn't even acknowledged that issue.
People would moan less about missing features if everything already there was working properly.

sorta happy with the news
it doesn't fix the panoply of dell issues
it removes chevron
so wtf is the point of it again?
I say it gives xda more time to integrate a proper solution for sideloading

The problem is that M$ is attempting to play in the consumer space. They don't do that well. After their core OS/Office business, they got lucky with XBOX and everyone thinks they are good with the consumer. They aren't! They are great at the enterprise and that's it. And I'm not a fanboi. I bought into WHS, WMC, WP7 AND ZUNE. I know, I know. I feel taken each time. Great ideas but not follow through on those folks parts. Management must really get in the way.

Apple has pushed out 4 updates (1 big one today) since release off WP7. Shame on you Microsoft!

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Apple has pushed out 4 updates (1 big one today) since release off WP7. Shame on you Microsoft!
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Holy freakin' hell! There was an update waiting for my new iPhone! Damn! That's some gadget love
My poor HD7 never sees any update love.

The delay of NoDo saddens me simply because I am a verizon customer and with that delay there will inevitably be another delay of the trophy, which means I have to wait LONGER still to get my WP7....sigh

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If it's because of troubles with Samsung, please just push it out those of us who were smart enough not to get a Samsung wp7.
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While I agree that if it really is Samsung devices holding it up, that they should push the update out to everyone else, I must defend what I think is easily the best WP7 device on the market. The Samsung takes the best pictures, uses fast NAND memory, has a superb screen, and a sleek form-factor. If that means that I have to wait a few extra weeks for an update, so be it. My phone works great as is. I knew that it wasn't as fully featured as Android or iOS when I bought it, and I knew that the first year or two would likely be bumpy. I was ok with that then, and still am.
Sorry if my having the best Windows Phone causes a delay to updates for your phone.

Seriously guys, how are you that upset because of a delay in the copy and paste update? How much do you even use copy and paste on a smartphone? The only useful thing coming in NoDo is the Marketplace search fix and the speed increase in loading games.
I don't even think I'm going to update mine until Mango, or at least until they have a Homebrew solution. I can deal with the extra 10 seconds to load Fruit Ninja if that means keeping my Homebrew apps and Twin Blades (which will likely go away after the update).
I'd do the update if they included the few annoying features I don't like, like saving the camera settings, pause playback when disconnecting headphones on an incoming call, etc. but not for copy and paste. You lose more updating than you gain.
Apple was able to do updates easily and quickly within months because there was 1 piece of hardware. Obviously all WP7s are not created equal with the Samsung update situation. Microsoft is going to work out the kinks during the first couple updates. It will be smoother and there will be less time between updates as time progresses.
Anyone saying they're going to get rid of their WP7 to get an iPhone or Android is ridiculous. For copy and paste? Really? WP7 outshines those phones by far.

Something about the update stinks.
I really do hope MS makes whatever OEM screwed up pay if that is the case (Samsung).
If it's the carriers, go Apple on them when WP7 gets big, which they will by the way, update fiasco or not.
I guess the main problem is, when we think update, we think easy bug fix. Not this complicated mess we have on our hands.

The whole reason I bought into WP7 was because MS said they'd be handling regular, incremental updates. It looks like NoDo will take seven months to reach end users (assuming it doesn't brick your phone, Samsung users) and adds functionality that was expected in early january.
And apparently the Mango update won't be ready this year.
I remember counselling patience to users about four months ago who were mad there wasn't an update already available, telling them to give it time. I think it's fair to say we've given it time. Maybe WP7 in a year or so, after Mango, but at the moment it's just moving too slowly.

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The whole reason I bought into WP7 was because MS said they'd be handling regular, incremental updates. It looks like NoDo will take seven months to reach end users (assuming it doesn't brick your phone, Samsung users) and adds functionality that was expected in early january.
And apparently the Mango update won't be ready this year.
I remember counselling patience to users about four months ago who were mad there wasn't an update already available, telling them to give it time. I think it's fair to say we've given it time. Maybe WP7 in a year or so, after Mango, but at the moment it's just moving too slowly.
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If MS can rearrange its WP7 business model to focus on just one supreme quality handset, and keep complete control over every aspect of it from design and functionality to updates, I could see WP7 having a chance. With Nokia on board, MS has access to quality hardware. MS has it's "Foxconn" in Nokia that would allow it to have the supreme quality. If they will just do it...

Here's another opportunity to rant!!

So microsoft releasing their second online survey on the experience or lack of it on windows phone 7
So rather than ranting here it would be better to send the feedback to MS directly
So heres the link
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/480470/e01f3a84faf0

Sweet! Gave 'em a piece of me ol' mind.

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Sweet! Gave 'em a piece of me ol' mind.
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Me too.
I'm fairly forgiving when it comes to Microsoft, but this takes the cake for sure. I urge everyone to rip'em a new one on this survey and I bet you we won't see a 90% plus satisfactory rating next time they release any numbers.

^ wanna make a bet on it

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LOL
I actually don't think they would manufacture numbers. I am confident that the numbers they reported earlier were real. What will happen now is that they'll simply leave the satisfactory rating out of the press release

evolutionqy7 said:
So microsoft releasing their second online survey on the experience or lack of it on windows phone 7
So rather than ranting here it would be better to send the feedback to MS directly
So heres the link
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/480470/e01f3a84faf0
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You sure this a new one? The copyright date is 2010 and it has the same questions as the other one

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You sure this a new one? The copyright date is 2010 and it has the same questions as the other one
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Ah sure people discover new things over time. And it still contains what would you change and your favorite feature texts box
It has a few changes in it though

i personally don't even think this is an MS survey... wouldn't they use their own systems not some third party to take a survey?

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i personally don't even think this is an MS survey... wouldn't they use their own systems not some third party to take a survey?
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Nope, it's official. Been tweeted by various MSFT employes/teams for a while now. You should probably use this Uri though.

thanks for the link. Biggest gripe is the delays on the updates. When they announced wp7, they promised an aggressive update schedule that would get to all phones around the same time. Still no pre- nodo updates in the usa and apparently nodo has been finished by MS since december and still not released....
Other than that, I do love my phone, just give me the updates you have promised.
And how about updating IE separate of the OS so it doesn't get the carrier run around.

Is it survey from MS ?
If it from MS, here we go..

Did it......!

survey
I too, ragged about the updates.
I like the phone, but the updates need to come faster. Maybe that is what the ill-fated update to help the update process is supposed to be -- making things easier.
Let's hope so.
The real problem is these sites which incessantly get our hopes up because they want to one-up each other and get the "word" (which turns out to be poppycock) out and announce that they have learned (guessed, or completely fabricated is more like it) the actual update time. Then all us users hope its true and actually get pissed when it isn't.
They are all brainwashers! Believe none of them unless they refer to a Microsoft URL.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
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I too, ragged about the updates.
I like the phone, but the updates need to come faster. Maybe that is what the ill-fated update to help the update process is supposed to be -- making things easier.
Let's hope so.
The real problem is these sites which incessantly get our hopes up because they want to one-up each other and get the "word" (which turns out to be poppycock) out and announce that they have learned (guessed, or completely fabricated is more like it) the actual update time. Then all us users hope its true and actually get pissed when it isn't.
They are all brainwashers! Believe none of them unless they refer to a Microsoft URL.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
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Remember the infamous link to the Microsoft URL referring to the "january update"? It's all based on real information.

MIX'11 Official Announcements

Some good stuff coming up but having to wait for Fall is painful. They should have at least one update in the meantime to fix some of the known bugs.
Bummer.
WPCentral Summary of the keynote: http://www.wpcentral.com/wp7-keynote-summarised
Demos from MIX 11 by Channel9: http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Phone-7/Windows-Phone-7-Announcements--Demos-from-MIX-11-with-Joe-Belfiore
Engadget report with video: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/this-is-windows-phone-next-developers-take-notes-video/
New Chassis unveiled: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/04/14/new-windows-phone-7-chassis-unveiled-msm7x30-and-msm8x55/

Everything anybody has asked for - both user and developer side - were announced with the exception of voice navigation... I feel a lot of things have still been left unannounced... But wow, Joe's presentation was amazing tbh

Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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While I understand the frustration... I think that's a bit extreme. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt it'll take til Mango for a patch

You wanna take that bet? I say no patch before Mango, that's a sure win.
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I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met

Is anyone going to consolidate all the WP7 anouncements from MiX11???
Or can someone post a link so other people can see some of the GREAT stuff thats coming to WP7

I was going to do that but I haven't seen a link with everything yet.

One interesting thing I picked up on Ch9Live was someone asked if Devs will get access to Mango on thier phones before its release.
The answer was that they are committed that registered developers with dev unlocked phones will have access to mango. They havent solved it yet, but are absolutly commited to it.

Peew971 said:
Yeah I should put my phone in a box and get it out after Mango. I'm just tired of resetting my phone every few weeks to get my tiles and notifications working.
The future looks bright though.
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lol @ resetting phone every few weeks

It's hard to consolidate everything because, frankly, that was a lot of info. And, furthermore, there's a lot to come yet - like it was mentioned briefly that there will be new pickers and choosers, but which ones is to be announced later.

Yeah, I think it will be a while before all the relivent info is pulled togather from MiX11.
I for one am quite excited about what snipits i've read so far with what is coming to WP7.
I used to be an android user back in the 1.6 hero day and saw how android has developed into arguable the biggest and best OS in smartphones.
I genuinly believe WP7 has the potential to challenege RiM, Apple, and Android and with all these great noises coming out from MiX 11 maybe just maybe it could dominate the WWWWWWWWORLD......MMMMMMMWAAAHAHAHAHA.....

One interesting point is that the dev tools for Mango are due to be released next month. In the Q&A session afterwards it was mentioned that a Mango build will be made available for developer-unlocked devices to allow testing of apps with the new SDK.

Microsoft is back on the track,these new features are amasing,very exciting about the conference today by joe belfiore

Good info here...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/04/Mango-new-version-of-Windows-Phone-arriving-this-fall.php

So 6 months from now to update (Fall there is September, right?). If this is right, I'm assuming that the update is about to arrive at October.
The problem with that, is wait for new APIs. I want Whatsapp!
Ah, btw, nothing was mentioned about Windows Live Messenger. That is sad.

whats this live tiles thjing about? My HTC doesnt have this problem, is it specific mobiles?

spliffmonkey187 said:
I think its good that customers air some sense of urgency as it will keep MS on their feet. In business when your customers constantly nag you about your products or services it serves only to direct you towards improving said products. So if anything customers showing an interest in things being made better is good and even more so when they push for deadlines to be met
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Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.

piaqt said:
Despite universal *****ing about the nodo update ballsup, all MSFT has done is post a page that essentially says "coming soon..." with no mention of when "soon" is. So unless we all cancel our contracts, return our devices and stop buying anything remotely connected to MSFT, I doubt we'll see anything more responsive out of Redmond.
Subtle doesn't work on heads that thick. Upside the head with a crowbar might, if it's King Kong doing it.
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Hehe crow bar to the head of any one operating inefficiently would be my rememdy as well But joking aside, you do have a point in that the "coming soon" or "TBA" or "TDA" of alot of things to do with WP7 is frustrating. I think the only way consumers can ensure MS stays on track and does release any information is to keep asking "when will feature A or B be released" or "when is patch D going to be pushed out" it may be subtle but negative press that is garnered by constant negative exposure does help companies see where they are doing things wrong and where they can fix things.
WP7 after Mango is released and implemented will mark a milestone in its growth. It will no longer have the excuse "we are the new kid on the block and need time to catch up" no, after Mango they have to focus their efforts on improving communication with operators and oems so updates push out better, faster and efficiently, this Pre-Nodo/NoDo fiasco will not look good in 2012 if say the next batch of update (Guava, Tomato or whatever it will called) encounters nodo problems in a post mango age.
So for now let keep those crow bars under the bed and in a few months if no changes then we can make a field trip down to redmond with crow bars in hand Piaqt

Anyone know what phone he was using for showing the gyro api? Was it the htc pro or hd7? Do our phones have gyro sensors built in?
Btw, loved the presentation , the quantas app was brilliant