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Please see title. Does Microsoft's ToS allow them in the marketplace, like with Android's Marketplace or are they banned like in the iOS App Store?
Seems like WP7 is considerably more optimized than Android, and should be able to give beter performance.
If an emulator falls under "Unauthorized use of another entity‟s intellectual property, including but not limited to: software, music, art, and other copyrighted, trademarked or patented materials or trade secrets." then it's not allowed on the marketplace.
You can read the doc at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=183220
Heh, I expected some sort of vague, far-reaching rule like that. So basically it's up to Microsoft's interpretation.
Thanks for the help.
so what happens if, someone develops an app or game or whatever and it doesn't get accepted into the market. Is there going to be or is there already some kind of 3rd party market (similar to Cydia, Installer etc.) for Win Mobile 7?
There is no side loading allowed right now. If you are a registered developer you can load apps on your phone without going through the marketplace but a developer account costs $99 per year and only allows 5 phones.
Of course there's the option of jail breaking the phone but who knows when that's going to happen.
Ren13B said:
There is no side loading allowed right now. If you are a registered developer you can load apps on your phone without going through the marketplace but a developer account costs $99 per year and only allows 5 phones.
Of course there's the option of jail breaking the phone but who knows when that's going to happen.
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I'm pretty sure it was reduced to 3 I haven't checked lately though because we only need 2 at my company.
Since you don't have access to the native API I think it would be hard to make an emulator in Silverlight or XNA.
I haven't signed up yet so you may be right.
ckacey said:
I'm pretty sure it was reduced to 3 I haven't checked lately though because we only need 2 at my company.
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Once WP7 is jailbroken, we might start to see custom ringtones, emulator, tethering, and maybe a lot more. However, this is just pure speculation of mine. I am sure by the end of November(by the time USA gets WP7) we will have something to sideload apps etc.
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Ren13B said:
There is no side loading allowed right now. If you are a registered developer you can load apps on your phone without going through the marketplace but a developer account costs $99 per year and only allows 5 phones.
Of course there's the option of jail breaking the phone but who knows when that's going to happen.
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Ive spoken to a few reps from HTC and Samsung, they all say side loading will be available so i dont see why not for emulators (but not right now ofcourse... *tear*)
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Since you don't have access to the native API I think it would be hard to make an emulator in Silverlight or XNA.
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Maybe hard, but not impossible. There is already a C64 emulator written in Silverlight available. http://silverlightc64.codeplex.com/
XNA might also be a good choice to write more powerful emulators.
Ren13B said:
There is no side loading allowed right now. If you are a registered developer you can load apps on your phone without going through the marketplace but a developer account costs $99 per year and only allows 5 phones.
Of course there's the option of jail breaking the phone but who knows when that's going to happen.
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It is only 3 devices. Also, if you are a college student, you can get a developer account for free.
diablos991 said:
It is only 3 devices. Also, if you are a college student, you can get a developer account for free.
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Do you have a link? I'm not in college still, but still have access to everything I did when I was.
ryotgz said:
Do you have a link? I'm not in college still, but still have access to everything I did when I was.
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1. Register with Dreamspark.com
2. Validate your college identity
3. Register with windowsphone.create.msdn.com (be sure to select student account to avoid the fee)
4. Submit a dummy WP6.5 application to get the identity verification email from GeoTrust. (dummy application is only needed for student accounts)
5. If you pass GeoTrust's test on your personal information, you will then have your account verified shortly. (mine was the next morning)
All of the verification has to be done in order to enable developer devices. I have yet to receive my HTC HD7, but the section says that I have 3 device registrations available to me.
This whole process took about 2 hours for me to complete.
sxdejan said:
Ive spoken to a few reps from HTC and Samsung, they all say side loading will be available so i dont see why not for emulators (but not right now ofcourse... *tear*)
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Really? Because I just tried side-loading an app into my Samsung SGH-I917, using the Zune software, and it didn't work at all. Are you sure those reps knew what they were talking about?
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Really? Because I just tried side-loading an app into my Samsung SGH-I917, using the Zune software, and it didn't work at all. Are you sure those reps knew what they were talking about?
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AFAIK sideloading is available through Visual Studio with unlocked developer phones (e.g. you have to have a developer account and then register your phone there).
Ignore the reps. They have no idea how development on WP7 works.
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Ignore the reps. They have no idea how development on WP7 works.
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Agreed. Samsng told me the same story when in fact it's only possible on developers registered devices. TBH though, the registration fee isn't really that big a deal - release one (good) $.99 app and it'll pay for itself fairly quickly - especially now when the marketplace is still 'small'.
They should be allowed now based on this article here http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20021948-248.html
diego1985 said:
They should be allowed now based on this article here http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20021948-248.html
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That doesn't change what is allowed in the store, simply WHO can submit.
Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.
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Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.
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If you are a normal dev, paid the $99, you can deploy 10 apps. I write a lot of apps that will never see the light of day, and I really don't have an issue with the 10 limit...
I haven't exchanged any apps with others, but if I do, I may have an issue then.
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Has anyone used the no limit version of chevron over an phone that was allready activated w/ developer account? The reason I'm asking is will this give us the best of both worlds? Since the phone will be legally unlocked according to MS, but unlocked with unlimited # of sideloading apps.
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Yeah, I'm having trouble with the limit too. I'm afraid to run Chevron though because I don't want to mess up my legit dev unlock, and the source for Chevron is obfuscated and not worth digging through to figure out if it'd work.
I guess I should toss out, that waiting for a response I used chevron over my unlock. It had to relock, then took installed the cert and unlocked using chevron. I am thinking it will last because the unock is probally verifiying that we are in the MS dev database, not checking certs etc. I think that was an unforseen oversight. I will report any issues btw I am a student so I only get 3 apps. My 3 news readers took up the most part and my game I am deving wouldn't go on until I removed the limit.
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I guess I should toss out, that waiting for a response I used chevron over my unlock. It had to relock, then took installed the cert and unlocked using chevron. I am thinking it will last because the unock is probally verifiying that we are in the MS dev database, not checking certs etc. I think that was an unforseen oversight. I will report any issues btw I am a student so I only get 3 apps. My 3 news readers took up the most part and my game I am deving wouldn't go on until I removed the limit.
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Could you give me a walkthrough on what you did? I seem to be having trouble with chevron
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Could you give me a walkthrough on what you did? I seem to be having trouble with chevron
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You want to go to the topic which describes how to edit the registry. It is the easy one or you can find the Chevron which has side apps limit removed. I doubt that it still available. Both methods will allow unlimited side apps. Also, on the topic of how to edit registry, it also allow you to modify different stuff like preventing re-lock Chevron.
spincel said:
You can find the Chevron which has side apps limit removed. I doubt that it still available.
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Blog Post
Direct Link (MediaFire)
http://windowsphone7central.com/articles/windows_phone_device_manager_a_new_jailbreak_coming_soon_for_wp7-01-21-11
Great News hehe !
With ChevronWP7 hitting the end of its working life next month, we have some good news to report on. Julien Schapman, the creator of TouchXperience and recently the WP7 Registry Editor, has released details about an upcoming project, titled Windows Phone Device Manager. Most likely inspired by Windows Mobile's infamous device manager, the tool allows you to manage your sideload your applications, explore the device, sync with Zune, and display information about the device.
Even better, the tool will automatically developer unlock your device upon connecting, which removes the need for any ChevronWP7 hassle. The tool is set to release in the next few days, and is compatible with all Windows Phone 7 devices. The developer of it also states that if it becomes possible, he might create an open marketplace, similar to Cydia on iOS devices.
How the tool works is not clear, but fortunately the unlocking method it uses will continue to work even after the next update. Read more at TouchXperience.
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This is old news? That article is based on what the developer posted on his website on Jan 10th. The program was supposed to be released last week but he has not released it yet because he wants to make sure the unlock will work after the update. So no guarantees yet.
Sounds promising though!
And how would he know it continues to unlock after the upgrade I wonder? Geez, talk about hitting your own drum.
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And how would he know it continues to unlock after the upgrade I wonder? Geez, talk about hitting your own drum.
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Maybe like a lot of people on xda, he secretly works for Microsoft.
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Maybe like a lot of people on xda, he secretly works for Microsoft.
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hehe this could be ;D
hope this unlocker works for my hd2 :/
can´t jailbreak on my windows 7 ...
I read somewhere that it, too, uses a fake certification server. If that is true it will most likely NOT work. It's just to simple to fix this for MS.
But the software itself is pretty cool, too. And as long as no one has got an update on his/her device, we can't state whether it works or not. But the idea of an open Marketplace on WP7 is pretty cool. IMHO, Developing for/Hacking WP7 goes a lot faster than I've expected!
Please keep discussion and speculation threads in WP7 General!
~~Tito~~
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I've read some other threads (namely http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908293, which is the Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows PC realeas thread), and I have the following question:
Since we can manually deploy apps with several tools (WP Marketplace for PC, Tom's XAP Deployer, etc.) will those apps become automatically updated (or rather, would we be notified to update them) through the actual Windows Marketplace?
The reason I ask is because I'm just about to get a Samsung Focus, and in preparation, I've downed Chevron tool, registry hacks, TCP view, and all the free XAP apps I want, so that I can just plug my phone in and get mostly everything done at once. However, I'd rather take my time and download the free apps through the actual marketplace if theyre not gonna update automatically. Hopefully no one has answered this question in other forums, cause I've been searching for a while. Hopefully this isn't too nooby of a post. Thank you for your help.
No. No. And No.
yes yes and yes
hmm.. thanks for the answers guys
It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?
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So I can't download the update, but it will tell me that its outdated?
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that is exactly what will happen
ps: you can download it to , but when it will try to update it will fail .
I believe side-loading bypasses some necessary "registration" steps, which prevents the marketplace from updating applications correctly. This is a great question though, I'll fire this off to Brandon and crew and get back to you.
I honestly hope it can't be, and never can be. Not for your few who will use this legitly, but for those who will install the XAP of pirated software and then update it freely. I know, I always seem like I'm so pessimistic towards this homebrew community, but unfortunately, that's the realistic world...
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It give a notification on marketplace, an update can be download but got an error when installing
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Yeah , I got the same Message ...
As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!
i want to know too please
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As the title suggests... i have a student developer account with APP HUB, can I update PREVIEW mango version (released/releasing these few days) with my phone still?
As i know, currently its the "paid" developers that have access to Preview mango update.
Let me know~ really hoping this works!!
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Student App Hub accounts are identical to normal App Hub accounts.
nop they are not, they are similair but different.
I dont think the beta is coming as soon as they said
https://twitter.com/#!/BrandonWatson/status/83158862823297025
Rats...... but thanks for the update~
The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?
Yeah man, I'm willing to give this a shot when the update comes out, more than willing for the community... jejeje
I would like to know how to do this. I can post whatever comes out... I have an Arrive... We shall see... jejeje
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The update is indeed for paid and registered mango beta testers. So you do not only have to have a paid account, but you also need to be registered for beta testing Mango.
Further more, if you are such developer and you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore.
When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?
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When the moment is there that the update is available (not tomorrow), and you do decide to upgrade, I really want to ask everyone to capture the traffic during the update-process with Wireshark. If we have as much captures as possible, we can possibly create our own updater, like Chris Walsh did with NoDo. But we do need as much captures as possible to see which phones get which rom-packages. We should avoid half updates like in the original tool from Chris Walsh.
If you have a capture of the update, please post here.
Thanks,
Heathcliff74
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I think they'll do something similar to the XBox Dashboard Previews, meaning that ultimately you'll be able to install mango preview on any device, but they'll enable Windows Live sign-in only for registered devices, server side.
Unfortunately Microsoft has always been *****y about these preview things.
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Any How to for capturing the traffic, I'm sure tons of people would like to participate if it was easy. Just start Wireshark and upload the log and that's it?
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I'm no expert in Wireshark. I know how to use it for my own purposes. So this is what I would do, but if someone else has additional suggestions, feel free to help. The updates are over standard http, not https, so that makes it easier.
- Connect your phone to your computer and wait for Zune to be ready with sync.
- Download and start Wireshark.
- Select the network-interface you want to log (to be sure keep only one network-interface enabled, just to be sure you'll capture the correct interface).
- To be sure you capture the traffic from the phone too, go to menu Edit / Preferences. Select User Interface / Capture. And enable option Capture packets in Promiscuous Mode.
- To filter all unwanted data type this in the Filter textbox: http && !tcp.analysis.out_of_order && !tcp.analysis.retransmission
- Start update with Zune.
- When the update is ready, stop the capture and save it to a file.
To test if this works, do the above and use Internet Explorer on your phone. You should see the traffic in Wireshark.
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ok,i'm with an apphub account(student) so the mango update for developers will be available on the dowload section directly on apphub(like the mango SDK 7.1) or i have to register my device ID to my account?
i couldn't myself,it's microsoft to register my device ID to my apphub account it is?
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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.
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I clearly said it was for paid and registered developers. Have you paid for your student account? Guess not. So unfortunately this beta is not going available for you. Even if you would register as a beta-tester. I wouldn't know how to do that anyway, because I haven't done that.
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Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.
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Thats interesting... May I ask where you have that information from? I could not find anything on the create.msdn.com (app hub) forums about it. Was it in the news section somewhere?
Quite odd they wont give it to students.
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Ciao,
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Yes read those, it does not specifically says student accounts wont get it. Brandon watson also tweeted "@arnehelseth Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone". Don't know if this means something and is in the right context or not.
The articles just say it will be released to developer unlocked apphub account, which you can normally get by paying 99$ (they dont speak about student unlocks in particular).
"Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices."
Yes it indicates paid subscription, however does not really rule out student subscriptions since they are pretty much equal to MS. I dont know if we have to take these words literally or if its quickly written.
"The software giant will also offer beta bits for developers to load directly onto their devices, reports Neowin. Mango ROMs will be made available to existing Windows Phone developers via Microsoft’s App Hub development program. Access to the developer program is charged at $99 per year."
Students have free access to the App Hub development program.
I could not find where you need to sign up for the beta, have not read a mention about this. I could not find it in these sources.
You are probably right though that its only for paid subscriptions, since its easier to check who is a ginuine dev. I just wondered since I have not seen a clear "No to student account" post so I was not really sure about what to believe. Thank you for the clearification.
All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.
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All sources I read stated that you need to have a paid registration. So it does not say 'no students' but students don't pay, so I guess that rules it out.
About the registered Mango beta tester, I don't see it right now, but I'm sure I've read that.
Anyway, we'll wait and see. Speculating now is not of much use.
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True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.
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True, and they can always make a change of heart. Thanks we will see. If students get it, ill try and log the process with wireshark.
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Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??
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Ok. That would be cool. But I have to stress again: If you upgrade to Mango, be aware that there are new limitations to sideloading! Many homebrew tools and OEM tools won't be possible to sideload anymore. So if that is a problem for you, then you shouldn't upgrade. What would be interesting to know is, if you have such software that uses native code (like WP7 Root Tools, TouchXplorer, Screencam, etc) already on your phone, will it still be possible to use it after the upgrade?? And.. will the ChevronWP7 unlock survive the upgrade if you have to "prevent relock tweak" applied??
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Yes I know. Thats what I wonder as well. Since we could use OEM apps added trough the marketplace. So upgrading with these apps in place might work. Ill also make a few zune backups so I can roll back just in case.
If roottools still works we might be able to set the prevent relock again. Im wondering about the sideload limit, because thats the most annoying thing for me. 3 is not much to sideload and I like to keep the apps Im developing on my phone to test them on the road.
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up for Mango anytime soon, but if its for students also Ill give it a shot. And I can maybe PM you before, if you can think of some things you want me to test out for you.