After the Incredible? - Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

What is everyone planning to get as their next phone? I love my Incredible but the last couple of days, I've been getting FC's left and right and strange errors, missing texts and calls, random reboots, etc.... I think it's on its last days .... I'm eligible for a new phone but didn't want to get one until now ..... any recommendations for a new phone? I haven't really seen any announcements for the next big phone from Verizon and 4G phones kill your battery and are overrated (IMO) right now.

Well, if you're staying with Verizon there's the Droid Bionic, their Galaxy SII variant and the HTC Vigor. Granted, you'll have to wait a month or two for em, but they should be worth it.
If you don't plan on staying with Verizon there's always the Nexus Prime.

jprow507 said:
What is everyone planning to get as their next phone? I love my Incredible but the last couple of days, I've been getting FC's left and right and strange errors, missing texts and calls, random reboots, etc.... I think it's on its last days .... I'm eligible for a new phone but didn't want to get one until now ..... any recommendations for a new phone? I haven't really seen any announcements for the next big phone from Verizon and 4G phones kill your battery and are overrated (IMO) right now.
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If you've got 4G where you're at, it's really nice, so nice I'd NEVER go back to 3G, but it's also heavily ROM and radio dependent as to how it eats your battery. 4G on my Tbolt is basically as good as 3G on my dInc is. If you could care less about 4G, the BEST 3G device to be had is the dInc2. I never even thought about charging that thing most of the time. The battery just keeps going and going. 2 days, easy.

My re-up time is coming up in late November, and I'm looking at the Vigor or Bionic. The stats we're seeing on the Vigor are awesome. Dual core running at 1.5g, front facing camera is 2mp, and 4g. The only thing I'll need are extra batteries
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my last early upgrade happens the first week of September, at this point there is nothing available from big red that excites me. My next phone must be a dual core LTE phone. but I'm thinking of waiting until November or so, Vigor sounds promising so far.
My DINC still rocks, so there is really no hurry.

I'm in the same boat as the OP. Tons of FC's and SMS and MMS not showing up even after full wipes X 3 and fresh installs from the market. Recently I can't find a ROM that runs smoothly on my device.
I have my eyes on the SGII or the Vigor, but it's going to be tough holding on for that long... I'm ready now.

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I'm in the same boat as the OP. Tons of FC's and SMS and MMS not showing up even after full wipes X 3 and fresh installs from the market. Recently I can't find a ROM that runs smoothly on my device.
I have my eyes on the SGII or the Vigor, but it's going to be tough holding on for that long... I'm ready now.
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I know what you mean. My contract is up next week and I want that Vigor so bad.

Hoping my inc lasts until 2013
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Galaxy SII, HTC Vigor....but most likely the Nexus Prime if it comes to Verizon

I'll be keeping my Dinc until a good phone with native PC dock support comes out on Verizon (unless another network with great coverage like Sprint gets it first). Then I'll never need another laptop.

Would love the next nexus phone, but I'd bet money it won't be on the "largest high-speed wireless network in America." So the it will be the Cativate 2 or maybe the Bionic....

jprow507 said:
What is everyone planning to get as their next phone? I love my Incredible but the last couple of days, I've been getting FC's left and right and strange errors, missing texts and calls, random reboots, etc.... I think it's on its last days .... I'm eligible for a new phone but didn't want to get one until now ..... any recommendations for a new phone? I haven't really seen any announcements for the next big phone from Verizon and 4G phones kill your battery and are overrated (IMO) right now.
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I want something with a similar footprint (3.7") to Dinc — my Dinc2 is too big for my liking. Funny, some low-end droids (samsung iirc) had similar footprint to Dinc. I just like HTC phones though, so I'm waiting for another >4" HTC, or buy [lightly used] Dincs from eBay until phones stop trending so huge (over 4.3" they might as well be a tablet!)

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I want something with a similar footprint (3.7") to Dinc — my Dinc2 is too big for my liking. Funny, some low-end droids (samsung iirc) had similar footprint to Dinc. I just like HTC phones though, so I'm waiting for another >4" HTC, or buy [lightly used] Dincs from eBay until phones stop trending so huge (over 4.3" they might as well be a tablet!)
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I seriously doubt you'll ever see anything as tiny as the dInc from HTC again. The EVO Shift is probably as small as you're going to get from here on out. As the screens get more efficient, I think you're going to see them trend up to roughly 4.3 inches or so and hang out right about there. 5" is WAY too big. Apple has got to be realizing that resolution only matters so much and you're only going to sell phones with postage stamp sized touch screens for so long before you're the ONLY one doing it. Since the dInc is gone, they really ARE the ONLY ones doing it. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

I'm really impressed with the Galaxy SII but I love me some HTC phones. I can't upgrade until the end of December so I have plenty of time to go crazy for the latest and greatest phone only to see it trashed in the forums until the next big thing comes along.
I'll probably fall in love with at least 3 phones before it is over with.
I'm not getting another new release phone. This next one will have to be out for a while before I buy it - I'm tired of being the guinea pig.
Only 3 more posts until I hit my 10.

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I seriously doubt you'll ever see anything as tiny as the dInc from HTC again. The EVO Shift is probably as small as you're going to get from here on out. As the screens get more efficient, I think you're going to see them trend up to roughly 4.3 inches or so and hang out right about there. 5" is WAY too big.
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That's why I'm going to try to hang onto my dIncs as long as possible. But I think there'll always be a market for small sleek gadgets, including phones. If I _had_ to choose a replacement today, I suppose I'd go with one of the samsung skinnies (not a samsung fan), but I'd have every expectation that htc would remember it's sleek design roots!

I bought this as a stop gap until more 4G phones came out..but I'm growing to like this phone a lot
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bought an evo 3d get 415mb of ram on boot fast as hell now to save up for an htc vigor

I'm happy with my Incredible so far but my only issue is with battery life. Would like a Incredible 2 but it just doesn't feel like a big update. The only thing that would make me jump on the incredible 2 is if it had a dual core and maybe a better camera also. Will always love anything that is running ASOP android. Don't need sense or anything fancy like that. Hoping the Nexus Prime comes to verizon. Maybe?

I hope this comes true. I would pounce immediately.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...ving-samsung-ice-cream-sandwiches-to-verizon/

I really hope that there is no 4.65 inch screen. Give me 4 inches. Thats all we really need.

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upgrading from evo 4g to???

ok so my evo 4g started having problems part of the screen went dead so i couldn't
tap numbers 4,5,6 and some letters also the usb port won't allow it to be charged anymore with the normal charger it came with i have to use my external drive usb cord to charge it on my pc
i shipped it to htc and i waited a week with no response so i call them to find out it has water damage and it be would be 300 to fix this wouldnt be a big deal if i had actually dropped it in water or ever laid it in something wet
i would had believed them more if they said it was dropped but water damage -_- i'm not going for that
so what new phones are coming out that are going to be better then the evo?
i have checked out the atrix 4g sgs2 and lg3d
wait for evo2
lmao evo2
if there is actually any evidence of a evo 2 link me to it and i would gladly wait
there is evidence of an evo 3d. first, an anonymous leak. then, go to now.sprint.com/evo3d and get linked to homepage. enter anything else after / and get 404 error. htc released evo at ctia, and thats next week. i'd wait.
yeah i will wait having phone shipped back
called them and tried to tell them it wasn't water damage -_- they wouldn't listen
so i got it shipped back >.> very excited to get another new phone though >.>
the evo3d better have monster specs
I am hoping the new HTC-Pyramid is the EVo2, or this phone is coming to Sprint.
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-pyramid-shows-online-some-early-renders
If not I will be getting the Nexus-S 4G due out in April.
wowza it is rumored to be using 3.0 honeycomb :O glad you mentioned this phone to me
if any of you guys got any more recommendations please drop a message in here :O this will likely be my last upgrade for awhile so i wanna make a good choice
also doesnt the nexus s get alll upgrades before any other phone since it's googles flag ship phone >.>
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also doesnt the nexus s get alll upgrades before any other phone since it's googles flag ship phone >.>
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It is supposed to, but the Nexus-One took like 2+ months before the official upgrade came out, while the Nexus-S was the sole 2.3 Gingerbread phone for a couple of months.
I am not too confident that the Nexus-S will be first in line to get the next big OS update. I see them coming out with a Nexus-3.0 first phone running "ice Cream" then later on down the road the Nexus-S will get that update, and then the Nexus-One.
I thought Google was going to do it differently ? If there is a "nexus" brand phone, it should get the newest OS right away, that was the whole point of the phone. But the Nexus-S came out with 2.3, and all the Nexus-One owners just kept waiting and waiting, for a few months. That was not cool.
i really enjoy my evo so if it were me, id replace it.
ctia next week should show us something that will prolly launch come summer time. possibly a wimax enabled nexus s if you like sammy mobile devices.
Did the litmus paper on the battery get wet? It should be pink.
ooohhh htc shooter sounds sexy maybe 3d?
sorry to dig up an old thread, but there's no point in making a new one. I've had random issues with my evo and want to upgrade, but i really like mine and the active community behind it. Any other phones have as many devs working on them like we do here? i'd really like to stick with HTC
I'm also thinking of upgrading...phone of choice after research seems to be the Galaxy S II...I just read the side by side comparison vs. the iphone 4s and the verizon droid and the S II gives the best of all worlds.
http://hexus.net/mobile/news/android/32114-samsung-galaxy-s3-new-design-specs-leaked/
Just sayin',
the galaxy's are good phones, but i never liked their style. Honestly all i really want is a dual core evo :/
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the galaxy's are good phones, but i never liked their style. Honestly all i really want is a dual core evo :/
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evo 3d is your phone-whore then. great dual core speed, 1 gig of ram, higher-res screen, and who could forget good ol' 3d games and pics/vids.
i haven't seen it in person, but isn't it smaller than the evo?
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i haven't seen it in person, but isn't it smaller than the evo?
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A bit taller and a bit thinner. The body itself is a bit thicker, but it has the same thickest point as the og evo because the cam doesn't stick out as much. This makes it feel better in the hand, more solid. Same weight I think.
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I'd just keep the OG. It's awesome, the only thing that sucks is that we don't have wimax in San Diego and I don't expect to ever see it:-(

What phone are we moving to after Incredible?

Yes we are a collective
So what phone should we move to after the Incredible?
I really don't like the Thunderbolt very much and the Motorola phones are obviously out of the question due to locking.
Should we just get the Thunderbolt next and accept its flaws or wait for another HTC dual core to come out? Samsung Galaxy is rumored to come over but we all know Samsung isn't very well supported. I guess I want to take advantage of locking into unlimited 4g.
jamor414 said:
Yes we are a collective
So what phone should we move to after the Incredible?
I really don't like the Thunderbolt very much and the Motorola phones are obviously out of the question due to locking.
Should we just get the Thunderbolt next and accept its flaws or wait for another HTC dual core to come out? Samsung Galaxy is rumored to come over but we all know Samsung isn't very well supported. I guess I want to take advantage of locking into unlimited 4g.
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Ill let you know in november when I'm eligible lol. Realistically by the time a lot of the ppl can get new phones, these phones are going to be so much more advanced. Even in a year. Google is making a big push towards NFC but not many phones have theme yet. Dual core chipsets are becoming common w/ quad core mobile chips expected by next year. Its really to hard to even say what I would want now.
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Nothing worth upgrading to has been announced yet (IMHO). MAYBE the GalaxyS II if VZW gets it...... maybe.
If it comes out maybe LG revolution. I like the way it looks. But I love HTC so maybe give in a get a Thunderbolt
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My contract isn't up till next April :/
Though when it is time I would try to another HTC Sense phone that will be top of the line. Besides I don't like any the new phones because I don't feel they are worth the upgrade other than the Sensation.
My contract isn't up until December of next year, so I won;t be moving on from my Dinc for a while. There really isn't anything worth moving on to right now anyway, so for now I'm going to wait and hope that Verizon gets a pure Google phone before my contract is up.
Holy crap I haven't been in the DInc forums in a LONG time!
But really, it's your own choice. The developers choice? Thunderbolt.
I moved to the TB, Slayher has moved to the TB and many other DInc developers have moved to the TB. Overall, it's a rock solid phone that can have its flaws and issues sorted out by us. It's honestly nothing to avoid. Lemme know if you have any questions about the TB and I'll be glad to help
On the day I'm eligible to renew I'll gonna wait for the newest release, so whatever that is
i am really considering switching carriers and getting either the htc sensation or htc evo 3d but who knows lets see what verizon has in store for us because they really need to step up to the plate or they are going to be left behind.
jamor414 said:
Yes we are a collective
So what phone should we move to after the Incredible?
I really don't like the Thunderbolt very much and the Motorola phones are obviously out of the question due to locking.
Should we just get the Thunderbolt next and accept its flaws or wait for another HTC dual core to come out? Samsung Galaxy is rumored to come over but we all know Samsung isn't very well supported. I guess I want to take advantage of locking into unlimited 4g.
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Hopefully when I can upgrade Verizon should have 4g/lte in my market
Not eligible for upgrade until next summer but my next phone is definitely whatever is on Verizon with the best dev support. Kinda jealous of those with the TB but there's no 4g in my area and probably wont be even next summer but I'm assuming most offerings will be 4g by then.
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No upgrade for a long time for me, too. But I am very happy with htc's sense, and hardware. So, I expect my next phone to be whatever htc android with the smallest screen is available at the time I upgrade.
I'm not eligible for another 1.5 years I believe. Even if I was now, there's nothing eye catching or worth upgrading to IMO.
MAYBE the Charge, but even that is a stretch. The TB or the Inc 2 aren't very appealing to me. I need my phone to last a little bit longer than the TB and the Inc 2 is a modest spec bump over the Inc at best.
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ProTekk said:
Holy crap I haven't been in the DInc forums in a LONG time!
But really, it's your own choice. The developers choice? Thunderbolt.
I moved to the TB, Slayher has moved to the TB and many other DInc developers have moved to the TB. Overall, it's a rock solid phone that can have its flaws and issues sorted out by us. It's honestly nothing to avoid. Lemme know if you have any questions about the TB and I'll be glad to help
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I agree with this. Not sure what issues people have with the phone, but my brother got one and I am slightly jealous. No front-facing camera? I can live with that. I'd never get anything other than HTC for a phone, after the Incredible. (Yes, I currently have a Dell Streak7 - couldn't keep waiting for an HTC tablet).
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Im holdin out for the 12ghz 8core processor that is 1080p runnin nvidia 580gtxgrafix, 120gig onboard storage, xm radio, 8 gig ddr4, 3d cam at 16 mp, front facing hd cam, android 4.0 and sense 5.0. And 3 day battery life. I dont think thats too much to ask for.
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donnyp1 said:
Im holdin out for the 12ghz 8core processor that is 1080p runnin nvidia 580gtxgrafix, 120gig onboard storage, xm radio, 8 gig ddr4, 3d cam at 16 mp, front facing hd cam, android 4.0 and sense 5.0. And 3 day battery life. I dont think thats too much to ask for.
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I seen a phone just like what you described yesterday at "Dreamers R Us".
I have 6 phones on my account so usually one of them is up for renewal about every 3-4 months. Right now 3 of them are up for renewal and I'm just waiting for something to become available with the "wow factor" that the Incredible had when it launched. I still have my original Incredible from 2 weeks before launch last year and I'm really going to have a hard time getting rid of it. Either that or I'll get one of the unlocked developer phones and can root/flash custom rom's without worry from the carrier.
Why move from it if you are happy with it?
I just got my new incredible yesterday. Picked up a brand new AMOLED model off ebay, got a month to month verizon account, just rooted the thing last night, and I plan to rock this baby for a long time.
Good to hear some guys really like the Thunderbolt. The only thing that urks me is that we don't have yearly/annual upgrades anymore so we will have this phone for almost 2 years.. As long as not having dual core for a couple years isn't a big deal.. Thats really the only thing making the decision a little harder.
Before it wasn't a big deal to get a new phone because I could upgrade every year.
emkorial said:
Why move from it if you are happy with it?
I just got my new incredible yesterday. Picked up a brand new AMOLED model off ebay, got a month to month verizon account, just rooted the thing last night, and I plan to rock this baby for a long time.
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Mostly to lock into unlimited LTE for at least 2 years. I wasn't that interested in upgrading until I found out they weren't tiering LTE plans for at least a couple months.
Guys, have we forgotten about the Droid Bionic!?
Moto promised unlocked bootloaders in all their future phones, post-Droid X, Dual core tegra 2, 4-inch screen goodness! It's basically a phone with XDA written all over it!
Plus my contract doesn't end till next year, since we knocked down a line on our family plan, but I really don't mind the 2 years+ that I'll have with my CM'ed Incredible!

I love my dinc! But what's next?

I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
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Nothing is worthy of replacing the inc yet. I look daily. Lol
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wollitaj said:
I'm an original at&t iPhone guy who switched to Verizon about a year ago when the android finally started making me drool over its superior look, feel and operation.
The fact that its open source and has far better customization, sold me in a heartbeat. I started with a Samsung fascinate and was sorely dissapointed. The phone always had bugs and never ran properly. Even after a much awaited froyo update.
I traded my fascinate on craigslist for my dinc about 4 months ago and was very impressed not only with the lack of bugs and lagginess but also at the development that has occurred. The devs for this phone are freakin awesome!!! Thanks guys!!
Now I see dual core processors and larger screens taking over the android market as well as an upcoming iPhone 5 that, I'm sure will live up to the apple name.
My question is simple. Should I keep my dinc until its done, should I upgrade to a newer android device or should I cross back to the dark side and have apple tell me what's good for me once again? Hmmmmmmm.....
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I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.
I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.
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I would say the only worthy upgrade seems to be the SGS2(if it has lte) or the Nexus 4G/htc verzion that are rumored for this fall/winter.
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HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*
I did a long hard search and honestly there is nothing better than the DINC right now.
The Droid incredible 2 I still wouldn't take just because of the lack of development.
I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.
actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps
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HTC Nexus on Verizon *drooool*
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Ill tell ya what, if the next nexus is truely an HTC phone on Verizon, I will definitely get it. Its the best of everything android stands for. Open source vanilla OS and superior hardware. HTC is, by far, my top pick for any android phone!!!! And ics, come on.... What more can u ask for?
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I'm keeping my Dinc until it's upgrade time (beginning of Jan 2012), and if there is no suitable replacement (for my tastes) then I have no problems sticking with the Dinc. It's a great phone and will still be a great phone in 6 months from now.
As for switching to iPhone, that's a matter of preference. I'm a Mac user that prefers Android over iOS because iOS doesn't have the flexibility and functionality that Android does. I do think that iOS can be prettier and more polished in some ways, but the functionality of an Android phone is worth more than the eye candy of iOS.
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That's when I have my upgrade option as well and honestly I'm thinking about switching to Sprint. They have been getting some of the best phones lately. When I look at Verizon's line up and upcoming it seems to be all of the same.
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actually the nexus 4g lte is rumored to go to At&t with their new 4g lte network not verizons and sprint sort of exagerates "lies" the removal of bloatware because you can only remove 5 or so apps
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Hm i didn't see that.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/sprints-fared-adib-we-made-a-conscious-decision-to-scale-back/
Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.
I have incredible faith (heh heh) in our devs. Seeing as the inc2 has just been rooted and we have the 2 big boys, cm7 and Miui already available for the device, i believe ill be accidentally taking a shower with my Dinc in my pocket in the next few weeks.
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Man, there STILL isn't anything even being talked about to be released to consider. Disappointing!
The only consolation is that we still have one of the best phones out there.
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Also, as far as I'm concerned, as long as the devs hold in there with this phone until the end of this year and port ICS, I will probably keep this phone until it dies.
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Im keeping my Incredible until 3/13/13. Then i dont know if my girlfriend gets my upgrade or i do.
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What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc, absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard. I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet. There is literally nothing that the dInc does as well, let alone better, than either the Thunderbolt or the dInc2.
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I'd be surprised if Verizon would allow a stock phone without bloatware all over the damn place.. I'd love if I was wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a sprint phone. Saw an article about how sprint is now going to be removing bloatware or making it uninstallable. Pretty respectable move IMO, but I can't see Verizon following suit.
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Verizon gets a small incentive from the companies of the bloatware, that's why they put them on there. and i don't think verizon will ever get a nexus bone stock android phone, i really don't, here is why. Verizon isn't really out there for the consumer, they are out there for the profit. hence why, i mean at t-mobile and ATT, if you want a new phone, no problem, walk into the store, and get one at the upgrade price....in the middle of your contract.
Verizon hasn't gotten the idea of that just yet. plus like other companies, verizon does have shareholders to report to (and they aren't happy, they think the data plan changes will ruin their investment)
the only reason i have verizon is because that's the only carrier here with decent coverege, and they really aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
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What's next is called the Thunderbolt. It's got a screen bright enough to read, battery life... well, anything has batter battery life than a dInc,
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that's your oppinion.
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absolutely stupid-fast 4G, a stupid-fast CPU that EASILY clocks up to 1.6GHz, and a screen big enough for a keyboard.
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yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
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I lived with the dInc for a long time, longer than any other phone I've ever had. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say with a straight face that the original dInc isn't bested yet.
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maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
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There is literally nothing that the dInc does as well, let alone better, than either the Thunderbolt or the dInc2.
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really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
the way you pimp the freaking t-bolt so much... the thunderbolt threads are down there
Kiboe said:
that's your oppinion.
yeah, we can overclock any phone, and switch to landscape mode to type somthing. and 4G isn't nationwide in every single town yet, i want to know people seem to think that. and not everyone wants a big-ass phone in their pockets. i have somtuing called a laptop, and it works just great if i want somthing better than 3.5 inches
maybe because we have devs who already got it to gingerbread? and with that logic everyone in this country on the roads should be driving brand new 2012 model year cars, right now. people are happy with what they have and they make it better. not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a new phone everytime they come out.
really? there isn't much difference, gingerbread as i said above, is already on various roms for the dinc. the main selling point for the t-bolt right now is that it's a 4g CAPABLE phone. if you are not in a 4g area, you will get 3g coverege. my area won't get 4g until a few years from now. and no, i don't live in "podunk nebraska" i live in a town of about 48,500+ people.
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Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.
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Guess what? I had a dInc2 to play with for a week and I still have my Tbolt and I'm about to kernel up my old dInc, so yeah, I've got a hell of a lot more clue than pretty much everyone on this thread as to what I'm talking about. My dInc has been running GB for quite a while now. So has my Bolt. The dInc2 did EVERYTHING faster than the original, running bone stock firmware!
I'm not gonna make excuses for the Bolt. The firmware for that phone, and a good number of the leaks have been lousy. But, the more recent leaks have yielded absolutely bullet-proof, flowing-water smooth ROMs. The question was "What's next?". That big plate of glass next to me IS what's next. There is no question about it. It's not opinion. As for 4G, when towns like Fostoria, OH pop up with LTE, I'm thinking very broad coverage on this side of the Mississippi is clearly coming.... well before my contract is up. Hell! Even 3G is faster on the dInc2 and Tbolt, if for no other reason than they have the power to render things quicker. I'm glad people are happy with what they have. The dInc was, and still is, a solid, modern phone more capable than many devices to come after it. Too bad it looks pretty dated in light of Tbolts and dInc2's and several other phones. When I read someone write something like "I keep looking and I don't see anything that measures up to the dInc", I'm wondering how much crack they smoke. You're either insane, on drugs, or oblivious to reality to think that.
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Wow man way to be a total ****. I have an incredible and my brother has a Tbolt, I can honestly say I prefer mine over it.
Besides that, although the Tbolt and INC2 *are* upgrades from the INC- for most people they just aren't worth someone's 2-year contract or full retail to get that sort of an upgrade. You've been out of the INC scene for a while it looks like.. and DEV's here are still putting out loads of stuff every day increasing performance/battery life/features -- moreso than INC2 or Thunderbolt since they've been out a shorter time. The INC2 even has issues now where if you buy it and it comes with GB, you can't even root it.
4G is extremely scarce, if you drive out 5 miles from whatever city you're in then you're out of luck as far as 4G goes. 4G is nowhere in my state yet, not even in our capitol (Richmond) and it looks like it'll be at least a year, probably more until we get it. The 3G, at least where I'm at, is fantastically good. I get 320kb/s on a good day and low 200's/kb/s during peak hours. That's enough to stream Colbert report, download movies (I've downloaded 4 so far) and watch netflix without pauses or hiccups.
So.. even if there WAS 4G in my area there really isn't any need that I get it since I don't normally watch HD movies on a ~4" screen or tether it to a datacenter.
Your opinion and mine.. but you don't need to flaunt around your phone while downing the INC (on our own forums) which is a perfectly awesome phone.

[Q] Would you still by the Incredible 2 ?

I'm beyond ready to upgrade my OG Droid, which has served me well for two whole years, and I'm wondering if you all would still recommend it now, in late November 2011. In a world of Rezounds, Razrs, Bionics, and eventually Galaxy Nexus's (Nexi?) will I end up feeling like I'm already out of date if I buy a Dinc2?
I see that people on this and other forums really like the DI2. And I see that I can have root, and a fun selection of ROM's to play with, like I'm used to with my OG Droid. I think I'd miss all of that with one of the newer phones, at least until all of that gets worked out. And of course, you can buy the Incredible 2 for next to nothing, while the "hot" phones are close to $300, even with an upgrade. I don't have 4G where I live out in the stix, and probably won't for a while, probably not until after my next upgrade.
Your thoughts?
In your case absolutely
Tap'n on miui incredible 2
I recommend you get a Inc2 locally and hold on to your upgrade. I got mine for 150 a couple months ago.
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I'm beyond ready to upgrade my OG Droid, which has served me well for two whole years, and I'm wondering if you all would still recommend it now, in late November 2011. In a world of Rezounds, Razrs, Bionics, and eventually Galaxy Nexus's (Nexi?) will I end up feeling like I'm already out of date if I buy a Dinc2?
I see that people on this and other forums really like the DI2. And I see that I can have root, and a fun selection of ROM's to play with, like I'm used to with my OG Droid. I think I'd miss all of that with one of the newer phones, at least until all of that gets worked out. And of course, you can buy the Incredible 2 for next to nothing, while the "hot" phones are close to $300, even with an upgrade. I don't have 4G where I live out in the stix, and probably won't for a while, probably not until after my next upgrade.
Your thoughts?
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FREAKIN' GO FOR IT!!!! IT'S THE BEST PHONE EVER!!!! lol
Well my og Droid was a good phone but I got the dinc2 toward the end of Sept and its so sweet. Its easy to get root and custom rom going. In fact I choose this phone mainly because miui had recently been ported to it. Its super smooth and really don't even need over clocking.
I've learned a lot about android since I got my inc2 as a replacement for my og inc and I wouldn't trade that
Lol, I was in the exact same situation. Coming from an OG Droid, and not really knowing what to wait for. I don't have 4g at my house either and that was pretty much the decision maker. I didn't feel like paying for something I couldn't use. Plus I wanted a 4" screen. Its the perfect screen size. I bought my wife a Droid X and myself the DINC2. Had it for about a month now, and I'm loving it. One thing though, I don't care for how the back comes off. It basically splits the phone in half... And feels kinda cheap. Also I bought a otter box commuter case but it felt too slippery, so I got a body glove case too lol. This case made the phone perfect.
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There's not a single phone currently available or soon to be available that I'd take over the Inc2. You can keep your dual cores, NFC chips, 4.3+ inch screens, etc. To me, the Inc2 is the perfect combination of form factor, features and performance.
I agree with above. The only reason I would dump this phone is if I left Verizon and got my hands on a euro GS2 or Nexus. This phone leaves nothing to be desired.
I will say though that it looks outclassed on Verizon shelves lately. I still think it is the best and totally underrated.
[Sent from my INC2]
Came from the HTC Eris, loving the DI2 & got mine free - could've gone with a bigger 4.3" device running 4G, except I get poor 3G coverage at the house while the zip code is 4G, if I walk 4 blocks west, I get a 5x faster coverage and enhanced signal coverage.
By the time my line is ready for an upgrade in 2013, I'm sure there will be plenty of 4G global device with better battery standby & the bugs will be ironed out beyond Ice Cream Sandwich, etc. Otherwise, this has more than enough reserve power as an advanced mobile phone plus a few, extra functions on the go - I have no intentions of wishing for a HDMI hookup to watch Hulu Plus, etc. on big screen HDTV & then ***** about poor Dolby DSP tuning.
Planning to surprise DW with one (DI2 in white or maybe red ??) for the holiday even though she barely manage to remember how to use her feature phone. There are virtually no FRU or pre-owned units available on VZW's site (except for warranty exchanges ....) which is another good indicator of how solid it is.
+1 however, on the battery cover - although with 2 days of standby time, unlike my buddies bragging about their TBolts, I don't worry about pulling, switching to a spare & charging battery every few hours - or, spend $$ for the brick (bulky extended battery & cover + oversized case/cover)
Thanks!
Thanks to all who replied. I'm leaning towards getting this phone. I do want to get into the store and see a Rezound in person, take a look at that 1280x720 screen.
I have had the HTC D Eris, HTc INC1, and now INC2.
I can't say that the Rezound is that great of a phone..
I know the Inc2 is almost a year old, in April? i think..?
but it's a great phone, I love root, and it seems you do too, and this phone has a great variety of ROMs and some incredible Devs.
will the rezound eventually be what the inc2 is, yes.
I remeber when inc2 had no root, and ppl thought it would never come with software.
it's ult. up to you.
I would sell the inc1 and buy a second hand inc2, then get the rezound, but hey thats me
Well, I pulled the trigger on a new DI2. Got it for free on Black Friday at Target of all places. Was walking through, not really thinking about or looking at phones, but happened to see the sign for some of the phones they were offering for free on Friday only.
And so far, I love it! It seems real fast, apps pop up almost instantly, nothing ever bogs down or lags in any way. I'm sticking with the stock ROM for now, no real complaints with it. But we'll see how long before I get the itch to start messing around and load up a different ROM. Maybe I can hold out for CM9, or another ICS ROM.
I own the Inc2 and I haven't yet seen a phone worth upgrading too. Every other phone has something I don't like and I'm hoping we see some all metal, super thin, dual-core phones early next year. Like many DINC2 owners I bought mine because this past summer because I couldn't wait any longer for a dual-core phone. Now that they are out, there are other quips, like the nexus missing a few features and the razr's uncomfortable design.
If you can't wait any longer, I would get the droid incredible 2, rhyme, or resound. Just be forewarned that they each have their small faults. I would recommend waiting a few more months to see what kind of ice cream sandwich goodness is released.
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I own the Inc2 and I haven't yet seen a phone worth upgrading too. Every other phone has something I don't like and I'm hoping we see some all metal, super thin, dual-core phones early next year. Like many DINC2 owners I bought mine because this past summer because I couldn't wait any longer for a dual-core phone. Now that they are out, there are other quips, like the nexus missing a few features and the razr's uncomfortable design.
If you can't wait any longer, I would get the droid incredible 2, rhyme, or resound. Just be forewarned that they each have their small faults. I would recommend waiting a few more months to see what kind of ice cream sandwich goodness is released.
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Well, I would personally recommend the rezound as it is a dual core with beats (for those that care. I personally don't) and will be getting ICS in the upcoming months. It will also have the latest sense when ICS comes out for it, and I'm excited to see what kind of spin HTC will put on that bad boy.
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Love the Dinc2, and would have a hard time giving it up at the moment, but.... The Rezound would be hard to pass up. That would be the only other phone I would consider at this time (not even interested in the Galaxy Nexus, sorry no love for Samsung from me lol). If I had 4g, I would be very tempted to make the switch, but I doubt that 4g will be in my neighborhood anytime soon, so the Dinc2 is safe in my home
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Go for it, it is an awesome phone. The dinc 2 is one of a few DLNA capable devices on the market and in the future that will be a big deal. The dinc was my first android phone and it was good but the dinc 2 is better. I looked at the rezound and the razr and while good phones I could not justify the $300 tag when I was able to get the dinc 2 for free. Check out my post abot the dinc 2 from yesterday on the tv out thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19935315
A bit related, but how does the DI2 compare for someone who wants to upgrade from a D2? I need global capabilities and this, beside the D3 seem like my only options(Droid Pro is a downgrade in some ways, hence not on my list). Thanks.
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A bit related, but how does the DI2 compare for someone who wants to upgrade from a D2? I need global capabilities and this, beside the D3 seem like my only options(Droid Pro is a downgrade in some ways, hence not on my list). Thanks.
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Swore I would NEVER Do A Droid.
I got my DIncI $Free Back in March since my LG Fathom was giving me issues.
Got assimilated.
Dark DIncII arrived in Sept.
$50USD and was rooted the weekend BEFORE the hboot.98.
Loved it so much that Reda DIncII was a Black Friday deal. $Free.
Now my next upgrade for familly plan will be in Jan.
The rep I spoke with told me that the Rezound uses MOST of that GIG of RAM for the Beat to even TRY to make it sound any good.
The amount of people that are sending back whole unit for because of issues with the overpriced earbuds.
Yea, it's a wonder that this unit isn't pulled already and sold as CPO.
Either way VZW just wrights it off as a loss and keeps trying to hump the AppHole.
I thought that "Denial of Access to User Up Gradable Storage" was an AppHole copyright.
Now Willy PHone 7 thinks it's a way to sell more PHones with different storage capacity.
What a bunch of crap....
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Any how back near topic:
Yea I think I might just get another DIncII maybe the White one.
Enjoy....

I wonder if I'm the only one ...

who would rather not hear about a phone months before it might be available on my carrier of choice.
I'd like more focus on what's available now, how to fine tune it and get more life out of it than knowing a company is spending tons of money baiting us with what might one day be. Frankly I get really annoyed when that next best phone doesn't show up on my carrier.
I'd much prefer waking up one morning and bam newer, better phone from Samsung without even knowing it was coming.
I personally think it's one of the reasons many of us (me, me, me) struggle to hang onto a device for any length of time and, of course, that's likely why they do what they do. Get us lusting for the next, best, greatest thing ever so that by the time it's finally out we're ravenous to have it. Only for me, it totally backfired with the Nexus. When it was first announced I was gonna be first in line to buy it, but by now, meh I'll wait and see what's next.
Just a rambling thought.
My buddy got the VW Nexus and is taking it back for the razr maxx. He has had one problem after another, like the phone crashes and goes a boot loop if you turn on wifi.
The screen isn't really bigger thanks to the on screen buttons, my phone has more useful area. Its not worth it IMO, especially since I'm running ICS already on this...
I feel ya. Sprint got me with the evo, I bought the hero thirty two days before. When the galaxy 2 came out I didn't hesitate waiting for the nexus.
Ima pass on the galaxy 3, cause three months later a better phone will come to sprint with all the LTE bugs fixed.
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It's just a phone to me. I don't even care about what new ones are coming out because it seems way too expensive to be updating every few months. I can't justify spending that much money that often on a phone.
I stuck with my old phone for two years and can easily live with this phone for two years.
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I prefer the phones just show up on my doorstep when available.
sfhub said:
I prefer the phones just show up on my doorstep when available.
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Sfhub, are you keeping your Epic Touch for a while?
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I don't mind hearing about the new phones. I've come to an understanding that I will always have the coolest, greatest, best-est thing for 3 months, and then it gets replaced by something better.
The thing to remember is that the hardware doesn't get "old" it's that the software gets "newer". It's the same story with computers. You could have a Pentium computer, running Windows 3.1 and Word 5.0 and it will work like a charm. It's when you decide to try to put Windows 7 on that computer that the hardware fails you.
Our phones are the same. Take all the apps out now that work like a charm with your phone, install them, work with them and your phone should work just as well now as it will in 2 years. It's the fact that new apps come out that demand more from the processor, use the better camera, take advantage of better sound, and now your phone has"aged"
This is just the way the tech industry is. Hence why Moore's law is still in effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
Just my 2 cents
Im upgrading to the Tmobile g1
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Sfhub, are you keeping your Epic Touch for a while?
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Most likely.
Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Im upgrading to the Tmobile g1
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So Jelly ...
Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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But see that's part of what I'm talking about. I too am waiting for the SGSIII but we have no idea if it will even make it to Sprint.
I've never waited an entire 2yrs or 22months whatever the limit is to upgrade a phone. I've bought several of mine at full price because I do like shiny new gadgets but only if they are an actual upgrade. For example, I was peeved at wasting an early upgrade on the stupid Evo 3D thinking it was an upgrade from the OG Evo, in my opinion it wasn't and I couldn't wait to drop that stupid phone when the E4GT came out.
Now that I'm getting more comfortable with flashing custom ROMs and themes I can see myself hanging onto my phone for longer than I normally would, heck I've already had it for almost 8 months which is a record for me.
If the SGSIII comes out and Sprint gets it (or a good variation of it) then I'll be all over that, I just hate the months and months of speculation that, for us, usually amounts to jack squat.
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But see that's part of what I'm talking about. I too am waiting for the SGSIII but we have no idea if it will even make it to Sprint.
I've never waited an entire 2yrs or 22months whatever the limit is to upgrade a phone. I've bought several of mine at full price because I do like shiny new gadgets but only if they are an actual upgrade. For example, I was peeved at wasting an early upgrade on the stupid Evo 3D thinking it was an upgrade from the OG Evo, in my opinion it wasn't and I couldn't wait to drop that stupid phone when the E4GT came out.
Now that I'm getting more comfortable with flashing custom ROMs and themes I can see myself hanging onto my phone for longer than I normally would, heck I've already had it for almost 8 months which is a record for me.
If the SGSIII comes out and Sprint gets it (or a good variation of it) then I'll be all over that, I just hate the months and months of speculation that, for us, usually amounts to jack squat.
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I have heard (might be or not be true) from several sources not only will sprint get it but will also get it first in the US. I love changing phones often as well and have been contemplating switching to Att pay as you go or Straighttalk pay as you go. Its only 50 a month for unlimited everything and you can just buy international unlocked phones. Also Att and straittalk(they use Att towers) have faster data speeds. Plus international phones are always release first.
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I have heard (might be or not be true) from several sources not only will sprint get it but will also get it first in the US. I love changing phones often as well and have been contemplating switching to Att pay as you go or Straighttalk pay as you go. Its only 50 a month for unlimited everything and you can just buy international unlocked phones. Also Att and straittalk(they use Att towers) have faster data speeds. Plus international phones are always release first.
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+1 Tried to talk my wife into straight talk myself.. As long as you don't go over 2gb of data you should be good. I must admit it's still tempting.. sell the Epic and get a new GSM nexus for $399
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coldblooded79 said:
+1 Tried to talk my wife into straight talk myself.. As long as you don't go over 2gb of data you should be good. I must admit it's still tempting.. sell the Epic and get a new GSM nexus for $399
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Why the heck would you do that Nexus is a downgrade...Just wait for GS3 and if you can't wait grab the HTC One X for only $150 more than the Nexus, then just sell it for a SG3 if you like more. And Straight talk seems good but was leaning towards Att Go phone $50 plan, you get unlimited EVERYTHING, you just have to activate it in a dumb phone like a motarola Razr and switch the Sim card. I know it sounds to good to be true but ive done research and others on XDA say it works.
brekec88 said:
Personally I would much rather know when a new phone is coming so I don't buy a phone a month or 2 before a better phone comes out. And I disagree that a better phone comes out every three months. The GSII came out like a year ago ( and almost a year ago in the US) and its still arguably the best phone out there. The Nexus doesn't have as good as hardware and personally I cannot understand why anyone would downgrade from a SGII to a Nexus, that's beyond me...The Note has a bigger screen and even though I woud like to have one its not worth it with the SGIII almost here. As for the HTC One X it probably is a little better than the SGII but honestly not by much. I think its crazy that HTC's new flagship phone has just about the exact same specs as Samsung's year old phone. What were they thinking (and I like HTC phones but the SGIII will blow it out of the water). So in conclusion if your phone is outdated in 3 months you either bought the phone late after it came out or you bought a crappy phone.
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Agreed with everything you said 100%

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