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Do you use android installed on an unofficial device more than 70% of the time?

Just trying to get an idea of how much it's actually being used as a day to day os on devices designed for WM

no my battery doesnt last that long. mostly probably do to the power management problem. once that is fixed and everything runs pretty smooth, i plan on using it 100%

i try to use it as long as i can. so i live it charging all the time wen im home. other den tht i use 6.5

mikentucson said:
no my battery doesnt last that long. mostly probably do to the power management problem. once that is fixed and everything runs pretty smooth, i plan on using it 100%
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the same here...

i don't use android 70% of the time yet. that is because i don't have a data plan (thank greek carriers for that!! ). i try to find, download, and install apps from my notebook but i don't find many.
i'd say i "play" with android up to 20% atm. but when wifi gets up and running i might use android all day long.
thank all the devs who make this happen!! keep up the good work guys (... and ladies)!!

Nope, but only because we have no powermanagement and sound - for now... I'm hoping these two issues will be solved one day, but i have NO idea if it ever will be

yep. i can say that i use it 70% per day or even more.
switching to winmo only when the battery is low or when i need to charge it ;p
Other than that its XDAndroid as long as possibile

about 25%
i like to keep on window os because htc sense have more information at the screen with out going in to any apps than any os out there.

BobbyManifesto said:
yep. i can say that i use it 70% per day or even more.
switching to winmo only when the battery is low or when i need to charge it ;p
Other than that its XDAndroid as long as possibile
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Same. My battery life is five hours or so. That's longer than the iPhone 3Gs so if other people can do it...I am sure we can too.

agree with U joshua on mine it is pretty much the same as on yours (5 to 5,5 hrs)
what ive discovered just a moment ago- i dont need to charge batt when im launching Haret to be able to charge the phone while using android (lol) i just plug the extUSB (pc or wall charger- doesnt matter), n after couple of secs it displays info on lock screen that the phone is charged..
so actually it is charging ( no iritating green or orange led )
is it only on my Rhodium?

At the moment only running new builds to see what's new.
Will dual boot when wifi, hw3d are finished, will make it permanent when sound and power management are done.
Android on the TP2 is the perfect combination that just wasnt available when the TP2 was launched and my contract was up for renewal - Hi-res screen + keyboard

How do you people do this? 5 hours is nothing. I won't even consider it until there is power management and sound.

petard said:
How do you people do this? 5 hours is nothing. I won't even consider it until there is power management and sound.
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No need for sound if I'm at work. And I get to play with it at work...plug it in just before lunch and all is well.
Not to mention, I can freely flash whatever WM ROM I want and not have to worry about MMS and text messages not working.
Android has been my first choice for messaging, emails, browsing and apps for over a week now. I only use the WM for conference calls and YouTube.

not yet... but once wifi power manaement and opengl are there i plan on using it 100% too...
i play with itg though from time to time and i must say before 2 months i never would have imagined it would be there this fast....

I agree. I really need for the sound, power management, wifi and bluetooth to be working 100% for me to use it more than I do on my Touch Pro 2.

Once Wifi, Sound and power management work, I would consider using it more than WM, but without these features I can't utilise my phone properly.
There's been great progress in a relatively short time, so perhaps this will be possible within a few months... though by that time I might have another phone

on alot of devices with xdandroid, things like gps and camera dont work. if everything worked and it had the prettyness of 1.6 with sense and all the features of 2.1 like navigation and live wallpapers, i might just switch. especially with the ui changes in 6.5.x. i have a feeling the next android phone htc releases will not be such a collaboration with google so it will have sense instead of "the google experience" and it will be wvga as all htc devices are from now on. so i think we will have sense then.

I probably run Andriod for about 20 mins every time there's a significant new build. Not much point in a phone that doesn't have any sound

As others have said as soon as power management is in, so am I. I move around too much during the day to leave it plugged in so as soon as I can get ~12 hours on a charge I'm sold.

mikkelnl said:
Nope, but only because we have no powermanagement and sound - for now... I'm hoping these two issues will be solved one day, but i have NO idea if it ever will be
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Same Here!!!!

48 hours of Battery life and still 45% left!!!

Hi Everyone,
I thought id share the amazing battery life im having, ive had it going for 48 hours so far and still got 45% of my battery still left, ill tell you all my set up and i wish you can get the same.
Installed LeeDroids rom (1.9a) which is absolutely amazing i must say, i love it.
Got the new radio 32.44.00.32u_5.09.05.30_2.
SetCPU running and have the normal standby on the phone at 642mhz and 245mhz when the screen is off.
I also have a task killer on set to kill most apps when the screen turns off and i have read about androids memory management but it makes me feel better when i run it and i personally think it helps.
Finally, and possibly the most important is an app called AutoKiller that interacts with androids internal memory management system and i have that set to ultimate.
I think thats it, and i have been using the phone averagely, and have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
Good luck everyone, hope this is helpful in someway.

It was interesting to read until you said this
pp84 said:
have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
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I personally refuse to turn off internet (wifi or mobile, same thing) on my SMARTPHONE. Cmon, that is why I bought it, because of the internet, and the fun things to do on it. If I use it for calls/sms only, I would have gotten something much cheaper.
Anyway, with hard usage my battery lasts for like 20 hours, and that is enough for me. I don't mind connecting it to a charger before I fall asleep, and disconnecting it when I wake up. Still I use the 1GHz CPU and the options the phone has fully

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... have turned off wifi and mobile internet and only use it when i need it.
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ljesh said:
I personally refuse to turn off internet (wifi or mobile, same thing) on my SMARTPHONE. Cmon, that is why I bought it...
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I'll have to agree with ljesh on this. If you deprive your smartphone of internet access, you've just turned it into a feature-phone.
But, I think you should turn off WiFi when you're not using it. That's just the smart thing to do...

Is there a battery of the same size with a higher capacity?
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No, there isin't.

Just a quick update i ended up getting 63 hours out of one charge!
And i dont need to read what the weather is every 5 minutes thats the reason i dont generally keep mobile internet on... I just look up at the sky it tells me exactly what i need to know!

Well, I have tried this and wow - what a difference, lol.
I am mostly around WiFi connections all day, so just use that instead for all my syncs. Mobile internet is used when I am out of range for short periods of time.
Thanks for the tip - works wonders.

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1. Turn on Airplane mode all the time and don't wake the device from standby. According to the specs, the device will last up to 340 hours (ie, over 2 weeks).
2. Leave the device completely off. It will be months before your battery completely drains.
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Don't mind me, I'm just joking around.
But seriously, it would be interesting to know the battery life of a device set to your specifications but with mobile internet on. Turning it off, just seems like cheating, similar to how CPU overclock enthusiasts achieve crazy clockspeeds with liquid nitrogen cooling. Sure, you achieved your milestone, but is that really how the device is intended to be used?

ohyeahar said:
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1. Turn on Airplane mode all the time and don't wake the device from standby. According to the specs, the device will last up to 340 hours (ie, over 2 weeks).
2. Leave the device completely off. It will be months before your battery completely drains.
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Don't mind me, I'm just joking around.
But seriously, it would be interesting to know the battery life of a device set to your specifications but with mobile internet on. Turning it off, just seems like cheating, similar to how CPU overclock enthusiasts achieve crazy clockspeeds with liquid nitrogen cooling. Sure, you achieved your milestone, but is that really how the device is intended to be used?
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Why do you count network off as cheating. Why should it be on if you don't need it?
I am leaving network off most of the time, just switch it on when I want to surf or update my calendar/emails. Use Wifi whenever available. And SetCPU to minimize clock speed while the display is off.
Most email come from Softbank Japan thru a MMS type email application. Its a push mail system and you do not need to have network on for receiving it.
With this settings I get up to 24h, depending on who long I travel and read ebooks.

Not my intention to sound antagonistic. "Cheating" may be too strong of a word. Here's what I'm trying to say.
Obviously, it's up to the user to decide how to use the device. But what's also obvious is that the device cannot be fully utilized without an always-on connectivity.
Without an always-on connectivity, a lot of the widgets and applications instantly become useless or crippled.
Sure, not everyone uses widgets or applications that require always-on connectivity. But I'm willing to wager that a majority of the Desire user community utilizes such widgets and applications; so turning off mobile internet is just not an option for these people.

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Not my intention to sound antagonistic. "Cheating" may be too strong of a word. Here's what I'm trying to say.
Obviously, it's up to the user to decide how to use the device. But what's also obvious is that the device cannot be fully utilized without an always-on connectivity.
Without an always-on connectivity, a lot of the widgets and applications instantly become useless or crippled.
Sure, not everyone uses widgets or applications that require always-on connectivity. But I'm willing to wager that a majority of the Desire user community utilizes such widgets and applications; so turning off mobile internet is just not an option for these people.
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I tend to agree.
I need the network to always be on, and so leave it so - though sometimes, I will put the phone into airplane mode overnight if I remember. Generally though I don't as I usually charge overnight anyway.
On Sunday night though, I'd charged the phone during the day and so didn't charge overnight. I used the phone quite heavily during the day, and in the evening watched about 3 hours worth of DivX video via RockPlayer. My phone complained of less than 15% charge after 26 hours, which to me was quite impressive given my usage, and I don't use *any* tweaks such as SetCPU or a task killers (which are placebos anyway).
Personally, if I can get a full day from my phone I'm happy - and I can do that with the Desire without having to do anything.
Regards,
Dave

G2 Instant On

So they are showing the instant On , on the new desire z in london which is basically is same as tmobile g2 here in states.
i was wondering is it something to do with SSD beign used or are they using some kind of hibernation technics in which phone is not entirely turn off instead goes into hibernation and then come back up.
and if its gona be possible to use in other android phones.

Realistically speaking, all phones use "SSD". SSD stands for Solid State Drive, and I doubt there's many phones out there that actually use a standard hard disk as storage.
All data is stored on flash chips, but technology in that area, whilst great at shrinking and increasing capacity, doesn't really improve super fast in terms of data transfer speeds.
I suspect they are doing some kind of clever hibernation as already suggested. Like it loads up a CPU state from memory that is stored when the system is shut down. I imagine first time out of the box will still be a good minute or so as usual, but successive reboots will be a lot quicker.
I imagine there will also be some sort of button combination you can press on boot to do a "fresh" boot rather than loading the hibernated version (for the usual reason that people reboot - to flush memory etc).

but the question is will the g2 get it? maybe instant on is just something built into sense. keeping my fingers crossed

Hopefully its available for the US version. Would be a neat lil way to conserve battery power. Devs will find a way to port it.
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I expect the G2 will get it as well - Looks like more of a ROM/SPL feature than Sense. Incidentally, I saw another video yesterday which showed a much more usual boot time. In the region of 40 seconds or so.
My theory seems to stand up to this. It's possible that this was the first time that the particular handset had been booted.
I'm not sure where the battery savings would come in. Aside from the few seconds shaved off when booting I can't see much other saving. In fact, it may transpire that the "system image" that it stores is held in battery-backup storage, which may in fact drain battery more, not less.

dazultra2000 said:
I expect the G2 will get it as well - Looks like more of a ROM/SPL feature than Sense. Incidentally, I saw another video yesterday which showed a much more usual boot time. In the region of 40 seconds or so.
My theory seems to stand up to this. It's possible that this was the first time that the particular handset had been booted.
I'm not sure where the battery savings would come in. Aside from the few seconds shaved off when booting I can't see much other saving. In fact, it may transpire that the "system image" that it stores is held in battery-backup storage, which may in fact drain battery more, not less.
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The same way sleep mode saves electricity on desktops.

it would save battery in that you would be more likely to shut down completely when not using it if it booted up that fast. right now I rarely shut my phone down because if i need it in a pinch, I'd have to wait forever for it to boot.
edit: @dazultra2000, that's assuming it's a real shutdown rather than a hibernation as you suggest. you're right though, it's more likely to be more of a hibernation type thing. but still, if it used more battery than it saved, then what really would be the point? there would be no advantage over just turning the screen off

It would have to be a hibernate/sleep thing. It would be great. To me, it would not be useful if it doesn't notify you of a message or call right on the spot as if the phone was on. I keep mine on. It's the point of having a cell phone.
I presume it's just like a computer and only the service stays awake for these such things.
I hope so.

could be helpful though mostly i just stick my phone in airplane mode instead of turning it off.

well, in this video the guy clearly selects 'shut down.' I mean i'm still not convinced it's completely shutting down, but it sure looks like it
http://www.mobileburn.com/youtube_video2.jsp?Id=10816

It could either be great programming by HTC
or native hibernation support from qualcomm on the new chipset.

JCopernicus said:
It could either be great programming by HTC
or native hibernation support from qualcomm on the new chipset.
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+1 on that.
seems like gpu is doing such a wonderful job of helping CPU in that matter.

He said in the video the phone will boot the "normal" amount of time if you pull the battery.
The quick boot is if you power on/power off normally.

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He said in the video the phone will boot the "normal" amount of time if you pull the battery.
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in that case its probably more of a standby where it loads the os into the ram. that would explain why it would boot slower after you pop the battery. however don't think most people swap batteries on a daily basis.

mtl171 said:
in that case its probably more of a standby where it loads the os into the ram. that would explain why it would boot slower after you pop the battery. however don't think most people swap batteries on a daily basis.
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i did three times a day with my G1 because of it's awful battery life, hopefully this one will have better life, can't wait to get this thing in my hands and start screwing with it.

tubaking182 said:
i did three times a day with my G1 because of it's awful battery life, hopefully this one will have better life, can't wait to get this thing in my hands and start screwing with it.
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it MUST have decent battery life. hopefully at 18 hours given the proccesor is underclocked. though the second you stick cmod on it, batt life is probably going to drop significantly.

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He said in the video the phone will boot the "normal" amount of time if you pull the battery.
The quick boot is if you power on/power off normally.
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Thats what i thought but didnt know i saw the video but didnt have speakers.

Sorry if this has already been answered but is the G2 even going to have fast boot or is that part of sense?

UnknownPleasures said:
He said in the video the phone will boot the "normal" amount of time if you pull the battery.
The quick boot is if you power on/power off normally.
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JRG1392 said:
Sorry if this has already been answered but is the G2 even going to have fast boot or is that part of sense?
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by defaut i dont believe so but cyanogen is working it for the nexus one and im sure he will being it to the g2 when he starts his development on it
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/27/htc-fast-boot-cyanogenmod-video/

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Sorry if this has already been answered but is the G2 even going to have fast boot or is that part of sense?
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Here's a vid of the Droid Incredible with the ported Desire HD rom. This leads me to believe it's a sense ui only thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v5lpm2fFDo

Recommend A Rom? Need To Save Battery

Hi,
I just got my HTC One X and I love it. The only downside to it so far is after leaving it on charge overnight im lucky if I get 5-6hrs out of it.
Im on the default OS and ive only installed some apps but im pretty much in the dark where to start.
Can anyone recommend the best rom to use or even just good apps or ways to make my battery life extend?
Thanks and again sorry if this is a noob question.

Have you updated your device with all the official updates? Have you disabled fast-boot, auto-brightness, satellite-GPS and all other wireless options that you don't need and opted for a 30-40% luminance rating (screen remains legible) in Settings? The operating time you get, as stated of 5-6 hrs seems pretty low. I get at least double that with intensive usage, and I mean it, THD Games! Keep in mind however that the screen of HTC ONE X, REALLY, IS the most power-demanding component of our smartphone and there isn't much that can be done about it.
As to your question, Villain rom is considered by many to be battery-friendly although pretty basic. In addition and if you have a rooted/unlocked device (I still haven't rooted mine because I'm perfectly satisfied with it for now), you can also give a try to the SetCore app that can be found i the Apps section of the HOX forum and as its name implied it allows you to control and deactivate cores at will. Also try out the well-known SetCPU app to underclock the processor and get more life from it.
Although, if you've purchased your phone recently, you may simply have to charge some more to condition the battery and then it will get to normal levels, of ~12-15hrs of serious usage.

first of all you do not need a rom that is based on battery life..all roms are the same with just few different modifications to it. choose a rom that YOU like and not based on what other people tell you. Then you can do a few things to get better battery life. as the poster above me stated you can do what he mentioned..but i still with autosync on, GPS on and autobrightness i can manage to get over 3hrs screen on time and over a day and a half battery life. Go into settings and sound and untick touch keypad sounds and lockscreen sound and dialpad sounds...come out and reboot the phone..you might think why but trust me that causes drainage to the battery and keeps the phone wake when the screen is off. second if you use twitter and facebook i would suggest to use them only when you log in..do not have it on in the background. if you still need more help PM if you like
but search for Touch Xtreme rom by Smarberg...that is a good rom based on battery more than anything else.
Rowan88 said:
Hi,
I just got my HTC One X and I love it. The only downside to it so far is after leaving it on charge overnight im lucky if I get 5-6hrs out of it.
Im on the default OS and ive only installed some apps but im pretty much in the dark where to start.
Can anyone recommend the best rom to use or even just good apps or ways to make my battery life extend?
Thanks and again sorry if this is a noob question.
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Feregorn said:
Have you updated your device with all the official updates? Have you disabled fast-boot, auto-brightness, satellite-GPS and all other wireless options that you don't need and opted for a 30-40% luminance rating (screen remains legible) in Settings? The operating time you get, as stated of 5-6 hrs seems pretty low. I get at least double that with intensive usage, and I mean it, THD Games! Keep in mind however that the screen of HTC ONE X, REALLY, IS the most power-demanding component of our smartphone and there isn't much that can be done about it.
As to your question, Villain rom is considered by many to be battery-friendly although pretty basic. In addition and if you have a rooted/unlocked device (I still haven't rooted mine because I'm perfectly satisfied with it for now), you can also give a try to the SetCore app that can be found i the Apps section of the HOX forum and as its name implied it allows you to control and deactivate cores at will. Also try out the well-known SetCPU app to underclock the processor and get more life from it.
Although, if you've purchased your phone recently, you may simply have to charge some more to condition the battery and then it will get to normal levels, of ~12-15hrs of serious usage.
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Im sure all the official updates are done. I use wifi in house and 3g when outdoors. Ive got bluetooth and gps disabled and as of now my screen is off automatic. Ill keep charging like you say to condition the battery but can you overcharge it?

I'm on stock and my battery seems to be OK.
The multitasking on another hand is shockingly bad.
Please someone give me aokp or cm9
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

I fixed multitasking with an init.d script that lowers the low memory killer values. All the apps stay in memory now without closing... like they are supposed to.
Some say HTC set the values so high to save battery, but that is crap. No power is used when the app is held in memory, infact less is used as the apps aren't constantly being opened closed and reloaded. I think they just messed up.

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I fixed multitasking with an init.d script that lowers the low memory killer values. All the apps stay in memory now without closing... like they are supposed to.
Some say HTC set the values so high to save battery, but that is crap. No power is used when the app is held in memory, infact less is used as the apps aren't constantly being opened closed and reloaded. I think they just messed up.
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Hey tell one, tell all...
I can't deal with all these reloads
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ridiculous don't you think?

the kernel is bugged and also since its on 5.0 lollipop

What strikes me odd is that something else didn't drag it down. Then I see the stats are about apps only, which don't take into account cell standby or screen on time.
The key thing to look at is that your phone has been running for 5.5 hours there from full charge, and it only went down 7%. That means if you keep it up, you could run it for over 3 days without needing to recharge. Nothing wrong with that (in the new world order). That's what my old phone could do (sometimes 4 days), and it had a better mAh to screen size ratio than his device (2460mAh : 4" vs 3000mAh : 5.5"). I have yet to get those kinds of battery stats with this one (down to 70% by the day is done vs 80% with the other one).

Yeah. It's unthinkable that a company like Asus can't solve this problem fast enough. Maybe they didn't get the permission to put 5.1 on their phones yet

sirsomething said:
Yeah. It's unthinkable that a company like Asus can't solve this problem fast enough. Maybe they didn't get the permission to put 5.1 on their phones yet
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They definitely have "permission", Asus has been historically reliable with updates, but we'll see I guess.
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They definitely have "permission", Asus has been historically reliable with updates, but we'll see I guess.
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Yeah, let's see. Meanwhile we spend our battery cycles like ****

I blame Google. They should never have released the buggy mess that is 5.0. Sometimes companies have no choice what to out on the phones....I'm sure Asus had this phone in the development pipeline with 5.0 as the target well before all the bugs of 5.0 were revealed. And the way Android relies on nearly full reimage for major updates is idiotic, and also Google's fault. 5.1.1 is essentially a different OS than 5.0

joel.maxuel said:
What strikes me odd is that something else didn't drag it down. Then I see the stats are about apps only, which don't take into account cell standby or screen on time.
The key thing to look at is that your phone has been running for 5.5 hours there from full charge, and it only went down 7%. That means if you keep it up, you could run it for over 3 days without needing to recharge. Nothing wrong with that (in the new world order). That's what my old phone could do (sometimes 4 days), and it had a better mAh to screen size ratio than his device (2460mAh : 4" vs 3000mAh : 5.5"). I have yet to get those kinds of battery stats with this one (down to 70% by the day is done vs 80% with the other one).
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the funny thing is my standby time is completely fine its when im using the phone that it drains fast I have amplify,greenify,powernap running and it still drains also did all thats possible to save as much battery as possible.
I also installed the Debloated Rom by Harfainx I know for sure that its lollipop 5.0 thats cause this problem cause every time I check the battery stats in settings Android OS is at 40-60%...... thats just ridiculous

The sooner we get 5.1.1 the better! Are you listening Asus?

They are shameless at the moment