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CM6 is definitely great, I think without question it is a vast improvement.
The only issue I have is my battery life is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. Could be the worst battery life I've had with any phone. But maybe that's just the EVO, with it's big screen and speedy processor. I underclock to 384 mhz sometimes but then the thing slows down and even freezes. I have 3 different batteries and they all perform about the same (not good.) Before I had a partial wake issue but that's gone, and battery life still stinks. I've also tried calibrating but nothing really seems to make it better.
I hear the snap thing is good for battery life but I everytime I open that thread I get a headache. I love this phone and am obsessed wtih it but that thread is a bit much even for me!
Can anyone give me a quick and dirty explaination of what snap is / how to use snap? Which kernel to flash? Some day I hope to digest that mammoth of a thread, but right now I'm too busy reading texts for college and Just want better battery life.
Thanks!
Download app System Panel. Will help show you what is eating up your battery/resources.
Then, download app Juice Defender. Worth it to get the paid version. Its like 3 bucks IIRC. This will help you get more battery life out of your phone.
-Sent from my Evo.
nyc_zx10 said:
Download app System Panel. Will help show you what is eating up your battery/resources.
Then, download app Juice Defender. Worth it to get the paid version. Its like 3 bucks IIRC. This will help you get more battery life out of your phone.
-Sent from my Evo.
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Yeah, I tried System Panel but the things eating my battery were mostly system things, like Browser. I guess I could give it another go.
Why are Juice Defender reviews so bad? I've considered it before also, maybe will try playing with it again
snap 8.2 is the current release. you can try any of the kernels, but i would avoid the 7.0/7.1 SD Card implementations since that technology has been put on the back burner for a bit.
Snap allows you to you Overclock and Undervolt (aka: UV).
Overclocking of course is for speed and Undervolting may save battery.
all EVOs are not created equal. some like undervolting some do not. so snap is available in multiple flavors. each with a different UV floor. the lower the floor the more potential battery saving..but also the more chance for a random reboot or wifi/gps acting funny. remember UV retards the amount of power so things can act goofy. the different UV floors are 800mv - 925mv. for example...i use the 8.2_900 because it works well with my EVO. the 8.2_800 booted great but after a while started rebooting itself. 8.2_850 just hung at bootup. the 8.1 kernels didn't work for me at all. 7.3b1 was great.
HAVs is adaptive..so don't get stressed if your device fails to boot properly the first time. wipe the cache/dalvik and try again.
so download a few of the 8.2 kernels.
make your nandroid
begin trial and error (I'd suggest starting at 800, 850 then 900 to get a feel)
don't be afraid to wipe the Cache and Dalvik multiple times.
don't worry about the whole thread. just grab the last few pages and read the OP. then feel free to ask.
i also recommend setCPU. you can find some threads for SetCPU configurations to help. BUT....make sure SetCPU is disabled when flashing the new kernel. once you get a working kernel you can enable SetCPU...but during testing phase it will give you gray hair.
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Just a few quick thoughts on voltages/freqs after seeing a handful of discussion in the thread:
1) Every 8.2 kernel has voltages lower than stock. The default stock voltage @ 245 is something around 1050.
2) No real effort is made to UV at the top end. It's a little lower, but the objective at the highest CPU frequency is not to UV. Most of the benefit of UV comes at the low end of the scale when your phone is idle (most of the time). Less voltage = less draw.
3) nHAVS scales voltage at each step. There is a min.max voltage at every cpu frequency. This range is fairly small--50-75mv, but it enables HAVS to decide based on feedback from the CPU which one to apply. And the max at each step is lower than stock. So no matter how you slice it, even if you're running 925, you are undervolted. This becomes a question of how undervolted.
4) OC is not about undervolting, it's about overclocking. The differences is voltage vs. frequency. OC means we're increasing the CPU frequency beyond stock which is 998mhz in the case of Evo. If you move your SetCPU slider beyond 998mhz, you're overclocking.
The objective of overclocking is speed. The objective of undervolting is battery savings. Snap gives you both. We overclock when we increase the fequency with SetCPU. We undervolt automatically via nHAVS. As of this writing, UV is handled in the kernel, it happens most at the bottom end of the frequency scale.
I hope this helps clear up some of the questions. Great conversation by the way.
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GREAT EXPLANATION Dragin!!!
and also, to the OP.... dont forget, if you do go with setcpu, do NOT 'set on boot' mmmmkay??? lol
Thank you Dragin!!!
That helps a lot! So once you have Snap setup at what you feel is "good" does your phone seem to perform as well as before you had it undervolted? Man, sounds like a pretty involved process - maybe I better wait until I can really sit down and play with it.
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GREAT EXPLANATION Dragin!!!
and also, to the OP.... dont forget, if you do go with setcpu, do NOT 'set on boot' mmmmkay??? lol
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Do you mean for the first flash? Or every time you boot your phone?
If not set on boot, it means you have to start SetCPU manually after each boot. Doesn't seem right
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Do you mean for the first flash? Or every time you boot your phone?
If not set on boot, it means you have to start SetCPU manually after each boot. Doesn't seem right
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I think he's talking about when ur figuring out the best setup
Regarding Juice:
I didn't really read too much into the reviews for this particular app. It works. I was having battery issues. Downloaded Juice, got the settings somewhat right to my liking and so far no complaints. Unplugged my phone from charger this morning at roughly 9am, been using it moderately all day, and as of right now at 12:50am, I am at 29%.
Bad reviews or not, I can attest to it working and making a difference in battery life.
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I had the same issue, left to stock with kingx.
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Regarding Juice:
I didn't really read too much into the reviews for this particular app. It works. I was having battery issues. Downloaded Juice, got the settings somewhat right to my liking and so far no complaints. Unplugged my phone from charger this morning at roughly 9am, been using it moderately all day, and as of right now at 12:50am, I am at 29%.
Bad reviews or not, I can attest to it working and making a difference in battery life.
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Do you know what in particular Juice is doing to give you better battery life? like what does Turn off certain things based on conditions or?
That is some good battery life.
Correct.
You can set conditions to do certain things. Such as disable data/3g/wifi while screen is off. Also if you need data synced you can set a condition to enable data wifi or 3g for X minutes every X minutes/hours.
I am not affiliated with the dev in anyway but it def made a difference and was worth the price for it.
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Correct.
You can set conditions to do certain things. Such as disable data/3g/wifi while screen is off. Also if you need data synced you can set a condition to enable data wifi or 3g for X minutes every X minutes/hours.
I am not affiliated with the dev in anyway but it def made a difference and was worth the price for it.
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Meh... see I really don't want to do those things. I can turn off data sync myself and just have gmail forward me a text message when I have an email. I just was hoping there was a way to get decent battery life without going back to the days of Winmo
I absolutely adore CM6, but I'm really starting to think that it is not battery friendly. Last night my battery went from full to 25% in 8 hours. I had nothing running, my partial wake was fine, and Android system took up 60%+. I really don't feel like doing another wipe, but it looks like I may have to. Just want it to work right at this point.
Again, I truly love CM6, the open source concept, the transparency, the whole clean idea of it, but there is something seriously wrong with the battery life (at least in every install I have tried)
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I absolutely adore CM6, but I'm really starting to think that it is not battery friendly. Last night my battery went from full to 25% in 8 hours. I had nothing running, my partial wake was fine, and Android system took up 60%+. I really don't feel like doing another wipe, but it looks like I may have to. Just want it to work right at this point.
Again, I truly love CM6, the open source concept, the transparency, the whole clean idea of it, but there is something seriously wrong with the battery life (at least in every install I have tried)
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i agree with you. but i also feel that CM6 is on par with the Official HTC/Sprint ROM when it comes to battery life expectancy. however, after i put on the snap kernel and copied someones setcpu config....i got 26+hrs of 'use it as i wish' time + still had about an hour of in-pocket time left. i was hooked. i bet you an imaginary dollar the same will happen for you.
as for finding your EVOs kernel made in heaven...
it's not too bad so long as you have some time. but if you are time strapped, need your phone in 20min and don't read the OP... you will curse and swear. expect to get hung up at the HTC splashscreen a few times and it will bootloop on you before your done. <I'd suggest just leaving your battery cover off until you are done muckn about for that session>
klick may be easier for the some end users because of fewer selections. I've never used his kernels. if i try them, i'll prolly wait till he's put out a few AOSP versions...to work out any bugs.
oh yeah...one odd thing, it seems that sometimes folks flash a incompatible kernel it gets 'stuck'. after that 'bad flash' they are unable to flash any kernel until after they have nandroided back and rebooted...then they can flash again. i had this happen twice....i was unable to get a known good kernel to load until after i restored from backup. /shrug
oh....try this. download the snap7.5_925 kernel. if it runs smooth. call it a day and you should be pretty happy with that until the new versions come out. yeah, if you got one of the _800 kernels running you may pull an extra 30-45min of time...but that requires a level of geekdom that not everyone has.
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i agree with you. but i also feel that CM6 is on par with the Official HTC/Sprint ROM when it comes to battery life expectancy. however, after i put on the snap kernel and copied someones setcpu config....i got 26+hrs of 'use it as i wish' time + still had about an hour of in-pocket time left. i was hooked. i bet you an imaginary dollar the same will happen for you.
as for finding your EVOs kernel made in heaven...
it's not too bad so long as you have some time. but if you are time strapped, need your phone in 20min and don't read the OP... you will curse and swear. expect to get hung up at the HTC splashscreen a few times and it will bootloop on you before your done. <I'd suggest just leaving your battery cover off until you are done muckn about for that session>
klick may be easier for the some end users because of fewer selections. I've never used his kernels. if i try them, i'll prolly wait till he's put out a few AOSP versions...to work out any bugs.
oh yeah...one odd thing, it seems that sometimes folks flash a incompatible kernel it gets 'stuck'. after that 'bad flash' they are unable to flash any kernel until after they have nandroided back and rebooted...then they can flash again. i had this happen twice....i was unable to get a known good kernel to load until after i restored from backup. /shrug
oh....try this. download the snap7.5_925 kernel. if it runs smooth. call it a day and you should be pretty happy with that until the new versions come out. yeah, if you got one of the _800 kernels running you may pull an extra 30-45min of time...but that requires a level of geekdom that not everyone has.
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Thanks man, appreciate the breakdown.
You have inspired me, I'm going to bite the bullet and try this snap7.5_925 kernel. I'll report back my luck
I do enjoy this stuff, really - just right now it would be irresponsible for me to spend too much time on it. School comes first right now.
DraginMagik said:
... after i put on the snap kernel and copied someones setcpu config....i got 26+hrs of 'use it as i wish' time + still had about an hour of in-pocket time left. i was hooked. i bet you an imaginary dollar the same will happen for you.
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Wow, I'd love to have that kind of time with CM6, right now I drain at about 10% an hour with no usage at all; where can I find that setcpu config? I really like CM6 but battery life is killing me right now.
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Wow, I'd love to have that kind of time with CM6, right now I drain at about 10% an hour with no usage at all; where can I find that setcpu config? I really like CM6 but battery life is killing me right now.
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Yeah dragin, don't hog those sweet settings! I'm enjoying Snap 7.6 and it seems to be helping out my battery life a bit, but I'd love to see your SetCPU details.
I've found that the issue for me is bluetooth. If I have it on constantly my battery will drain 10-15% per hour. With bluetooth off it's only draining 1%-2% per hour.
Seems like the bluetooth needs work on CM6 in order to have the efficiency that the other ROMs i've tried (Fresh and EViO) have. Nonetheless, I'm sticking with CM6 and just use the bluetooth when necessary.
I have the same issue with bluetooth on CM 6.0.0. I am running the stock kernel that comes with cyanogenmod, so this is definitely not a snap issue. There was a bug submitted about a month ago:
code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=2136
I *really* hope this can get fixed for the 6.1 release, but it is currently listed with a low priority. I really love CM6, but basically making bluetooth unusable for more than a few hours really makes me struggle with the using this rom.
Why not the 7.6 with turbo...just wonderin
This could be a normal thing but I've never really paid attention to my battery life until now. Since I have rooted and switched to different roms my battery life has been sub-par. Since using Desire-Z the life has improved, but still not as good as it was before I rooted.
Anyway, it says the display is taking up 89% of my usage which I find obsurd. I had the brightness set down to 30% so I don't see how it's possible. Could it be I have a very vibrant wallpaper set? Should I tone it down? The screen is set to turn off after a minute but when I'm done i typically lock it manually. Other than the wallpaper i don't see what I can do differently???
Is there some bug that I don't know of, is it just a false reading? Any advice/tips would be greatly appreciated.
go to ziggy471.com and try his latest nov kernel,14th I believe, and give it a try. after that try dl setcpu and just setup a profiles for when the screen is off to run under 600 mhz. thats what I do and get pretty good batt life. otherwise try some other kernels and see how they work out. another thing I actually don't know how much the display sucks from the battery but I keep my auto-bright off and display at like 10% maybe all the time
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This seems to be the case with both the Desire Z and HD ROMs. I'm not exactly sure why but it happens to me and I saw a few other people talking about this.
I had a lot of trouble with this also... with stock battery I was lucky to get 8 hours out of the phone... I bounce between CM and MIUI and it seem the newest MIUI rom has greatly improved this issue... it did however introduce a new battery hog with the wireless drivers, but atleast that can be addressed with some tasker profiles or by manually turning it on and off. Im only 2 days into this rom and not quite ready to give someone a hug for the improvements yet, but i seems as though things are much better.
domsch's "What is burning my Battery"-Guide
Content
Disclaimer
Introduction
Setting your goals
My Setup
General Idea
Preparation
Things you'll need
What the apps are for
Reseting battery stats
A starting point
Phone settings
Finding apps that burn
CPU Settings
Different kernels
Conclusion and wrap-up
Disclaimer
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
Recently i installed ICJ. Since my Battery started decreasing quiet fast, i remembered a guide from the good old Desire days. It was a really good, indepth view on how to determin
what burns your Battery and how to set up your phone perfectly.
In the last view days i tried applying some of these tips and found them more or less usefull.
Since HOX is a Tegra device some things are handled differently. So i thought it might be time to update this a bit and let you participate in my hunt for the best battery performance.
First of: I couldn't find the original guide. So no link here (sorry). I will correct this if i find the right thread. This is all my own work! I don't use any part of another post.
By now this is nowhere near complete, but i'm constantly adding. If you wan't to contribute, PM me and i will consider adding your content (with credit ofc).
Since a lot of testing and time intensive tasks are included here, it may take some time to come to some "final" results. Please bare with me because my phone is my daily driver to.
Introduction
To final start of, i think i should determin the goal of this guide. I hope that this will grow to be a reference for general Powersaving on HOX and finding what is wrong (or could
be improved) with your phone. To be clear:
This is not done in 10 minutes! You need time to test different things.So you won't be able to read a short post, change three settings, deinstall an app and double your Batterylife! Period! This is a approach of finetuning and getting the most
out of your phone. I don't want 24h Battery life with a laggy non useable phone. which leads to:
Setting your goals
It is crucial to determin what you expect from your phone. Remember: this is a quadcore phone with high-end-graphics. You won't be playing Shadowgun and get 10h of "Playtime"
My personal goals are as following
I plug of charger at 05:10 and come back home around 19:00. I would like to have 15% left when coming home (already done with ARHD)
Usage per day:
3h Music
4h forum reading
some browsing and reading webpages
4-5 phonecalls
a bit of texting (SMS/What'sApp)
a bit of playing with settings and homescreen settings
nearly no gaming and if so then no tegra games
a bit of lag is no problem, but i don't want to wait for my phone to load anything
flawless music playback while screen off
Video playback up to 1080p
no Radio issues (to low voltages can make radio instable at times...)
So all in all no great things, but i'm using my phone a lot and have high screen on times. But i'm not pushing the tegra chip to it's limits (not nearly ) I think my goal is
realistic. Remember that your goal should be doable. Just think of what you expect, and you will see relativly fast what can be done and what can't. So what are we working wwith?
My Setup
Just to give you some insight, and to make values comparable, i give you all the relevant information about my setup. You might skip this paragraph if you're just after the tools
and techniques.
My Phone
HTC One X (Obviously)
Black one
Vodaphone Germany Branded
not on JB hBoot
Unlocked
TWRP
No obvious Hardware faults
I got mine relatively early and have one of the first badges...
My Software
atm (16.10.12) IceColdJelly 3.0
Android 4.1.2
Nova Launcher (No theme)
BB10 Lockscreen Mod
NCX Kernel (comes with ICJ)
Apps (most recent used, Basic Setup. The Core i use. Others come and go ):
Airdroid
DB Navigator
ES Explorer
Noom
S-Finanzstatus
Tapatalk
Titanium Backup
YouTube
Gapps 20120726
Rest is stock and preinstalled
Other things relevant
I Use HTC standard charger with original HTC USB-Cable
most of the time i don't use a case, nut now and then i have a HTC Flipcase installed
No other accesoirs (No Bluetooth things, no BlingBling or dock or anything like this!)
...
General idea
The idea is, to determin how much current is drawn on a fresh install without apps and only google account entered. After that i want to determin what apps/accounts/settings draw
how much power. I will start from my current setup (see above) and not with a clean install. Reason for that is, that i want to give you a guideline to follow. I think most of
you have your phone setup ready and need more batterytime now.
Atm i'm not on Sense and until there is no universal JB Sense for all CID's i won't go back. So right now, you Sense user might be able to follow parts of this guide but settings
may vary. So you might have to get your head around that for yourself.
Preparation
No, finaly, we dive into geting our hands dirty.
You will need some tools and apps to measure different things. I highly recommend using the apps i use, because they are on the market for a long time, they don't draw aditional
power while in background and i use them for nearly 4 years now without problems. Also no adds, which is great because adds are one of the things that rape your battery like mad!
Things you'll need
A wallcharger (USB on a PC will work, but increases the time you need for this process alot)
Apps
BetterBatteryStats (free Version on XDA. Link will be added later)
CPU Spy
Current Widget
What the apps are for
BetterBatteryStats gives you an overview of what is using your Battery/CPU. Not as clearly labeld as the System option, but much more in depth and highly usefull to
determin which part of certain apps draw your power. Also you can see if your phone goes to deepsleep.
CPU Spy lists all CPU Frequency steps and how long they have been used. Again, seeing if your devices goes to deepsleep and if an app keeps using the CPU more
then it should be.
Current Widget is probably the most usefull app to date. It shows how much current is drawn from your Battery and writes it into a log. So you can directly see
if a change affected your Batterytime. And you don't have to have your screen on to measure (great plus here )
Reseting battery stats
To start of clean i highly recommend wiping your battery stats. Do do this, fully charge your phone (100% and then wait till charging light goes green, but minimum 30 min).
plug of charger and shutdown your phone. Replug charger and again wait till charging light goes green. Plug of charger and reboot phone. Now your Battery history should
be clear and we're good to go.
The rest follows as i proceed. I'm currently in the process of investigating and testing on my phone. If you think this guide might help you or others, give a thanks.
If something like this is already done stop me now, before i spend 100h writing this Suggestions or tips for improvement are welcome and highly appreciated. If i made a mistake or have given wrong information, tell me and i'll correct asap.
Please bare with my english and my spelling since i'm from germany and english is not my primary language.
Other than that, bye for now. Enjoy reading.
Thanks to all XDA-Members, Devs and Content creators. I've had 4 awesome years in this forum till now and enjoy giving back a bit to the community.
Dominik
One spare
And another one (have something in mind for this one )
I'm going to keep my eye on this thread for any unexpected results – I get the feeling it's not going to be this or that etc. I might start using JuiceDefender again, quite an innovative app. Either that or just switch to 2g periodically.
leonforthewin said:
I'm going to keep my eye on this thread for any unexpected results – I get the feeling it's not going to be this or that etc. I might start using JuiceDefender again, quite an innovative app. Either that or just switch to 2g periodically.
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It's not about finding the one app that eats up all our batterylife. It's more of a guideline to determin which specific apps and habbits burn your battery.
For me Juice Defender always used more battery running in background than it saved, but it's up to you to test it, and give me some feedback. Surprise me and i'll add it to the guide
domsch1988 said:
It's not about finding the one app that eats up all our batterylife. It's more of a guideline to determin which specific apps and habbits burn your battery.
For me Juice Defender always used more battery running in background than it saved, but it's up to you to test it, and give me some feedback. Surprise me and i'll add it to the guide
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Sorry I missed that point – it's to discover your own personal usuage habits that tie in with (excessive) battery drain. If you want me to run it seperately as like, a comparison then yeah of course. I will reset my battery stats and use JuiceDefender. For how long though?
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Sorry I missed that point – it's to discover your own personal usuage habits that tie in with (excessive) battery drain. If you want me to run it seperately as like, a comparison then yeah of course. I will reset my battery stats and use JuiceDefender. For how long though?
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I think 1 hour of the same activity should be enough to determin a percentage of gain or loss in batterylife.
Well, I have recently installed a new ROM (ViperX) and installed Google Now which has battery drain issues. In the hour tested I've received 10 emails, four texts (sent three) two facebook notifications, downloaded a 4mb app and listened to approximately 16 mins worth of music. I suppose that counts as moderate to high usage. With Juice Defender I am on 89% I was loosing much more than 10% per hour before now.
Hopefully this helps?
Yeah, I have a drainage of 547mA after fresh reboot which is crazy... Google location service is one of the suspects. I'm investigating in that now, which would respond to you saying Google now is draining. I dropped 10% in 3h of screen off which would mean 30h of standby. Sounds somewhat low to me.
I'm in the testing today, and tomorrow I will write part two. Let's see what's to find there...
One thing. What settings did you use with juice defender?
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domsch1988 said:
Yeah, I have a drainage of 547mA after fresh reboot which is crazy... Google location service is one of the suspects. I'm investigating in that now, which would respond to you saying Google now is draining. I dropped 10% in 3h of screen off which would mean 30h of standby. Sounds somewhat low to me.
I'm in the testing today, and tomorrow I will write part two. Let's see what's to find there...
One thing. What settings did you use with juice defender?
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Just had it on 'Balanced' – there is a fix for the battery drain issue with Google Now combined with Sense roms. But the apk decompiling process is a little out of my comfort zone!
Sounds interesting
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Good luck with this man. I was thinking of doing something like this once Faux's kernel 12 comes out of beta, but I don't think I need to anymore
ATM I'm struggling to get consistend results. I have hours where my battery is sucked with over 600 mA idle. And then everything is fine with around 190 mA. All without changes in the last days. Really strange...
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190mA is really high for idle
I just installed Current Widget, it doesn't seem to record idle screen-off usage. Battery Monitor Widget is waaay better for recording mAh used. Even works with screen off.
I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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Yes, more people bought it, so there are more devs.
What exactly you want developed for G3?
Kernels? Nah, you can't jump higher than lg did. It's already optimised. You can, of course, add some GCC flags, change toolchain, etc etc etc... For a marginal improvement, at best. Well, you can add undervolting, some modules (ntfs, gamepads, etc), advanced sound control... What else?..
Roms? Well, developing "only for G3!" roms isn't the best idea. Besides, some popular AOSP roms are already ported to g3, ones that haven't been ported don't even have stable 5.0 builds yet. Modding stock rom is almost impossible right now, apktool doesn't fully support neither 5.0, neither lg's special apk's (two apk's with id of 127 sharing resources? LG-way, lol.), so good custom roms aren't even possible yet.
And no, we won't get more support. If you want tons of support - buy Samsung.
I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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i agree with both of the posts here and to really answer the first question, there is nothing that i specifically want developed i just was kinda confused as to why the forums are not filled with roms and kernals but you made a good point about saying quality over quantity.. I do really enjoy this phone and consider it the top of the line right now but we will see......
Honestly we have a fair amount of roms at this stage and it will only get better and better but as far as kernels goes I'd wish to see some more with overclocking/undervolting/profiles features in them ..
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Been offered a straight trade for HTC one M8 might take them up on it
As a person coming from Samsung S2, S3, Note 3, I can say that Lg is doing a great job with the G2/G3 stock software! Way better than Samsung! Yes you'll find fingerprint features and some other useless bells and whistles, but LG software is solid, almost lag free, and battery life is king!
During my lifetime with Samsung, I spent most of my time cheating its software with Cyanogenmod.
So, would I be sad to not have the same amount of support on S5? Definitely no! I think what we have is valuable and I haven't felt yet that I need to run away to CM11/12.
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
I know some have stated they see lag in the UI such as when they open a drawer, or swipe between screens and such. I guess I've never noticed that before, so maybe they come from a different phone that responded better in their eyes. Things that can help are possibly reducing the animation, but a possible issue could be the screen size. This phone packs a lot more pixels in it than the S5, so I could see how rendering on a screen with a larger pixel density could cause this. However, for me, I don't really notice it, and even if it is there, it must not be a huge amount or else I'd notice it.
As for battery life, I don't know what people are expecting. I get at least a days (24 hours) worth. Now, granted I'm running Greenify which has helped me on other phones, so I'm sure that has a hand in it. However, there was a time I wasn't running Greenify at first with this phone and I remember having the phone charged at 100% when I went to bed, took it off the charger, left it on (I used it as an alarm clock plus as my on-call phone) and when I woke up 6+ hours later, it was STILL at 100%. Adding Greenify has helped to prevent apps from wake locking, but that's not the phone's fault. That's how some apps are written and that in and of itself can cause battery drain, but it's even worse if you out-right kill the app/service all the time.
I make and take phone calls (not all day, mind you), I send and receive texts (not every minute). I do play games (Game of War a lot) and that does drain the battery, but that's going to happen on any phone. I've listen to music on my phone, especially when driving to/from work and other errands. One time, I must have logged over 2 hours on Power Amp. I wanted to see how much it drained the battery, so I kept note of where the battery was at when I started listening and where it was when I stopped listening. Over a two hour total period of listening to music, the battery drained 2%. Not bad if you ask me.
I'm just curious because right now, with this phone, I'm getting better battery life than I did with my RAZR MAXX and my RAZR HD phones. This phone I could possibly go two days before charging. After about 36 hours, I'm at 40% battery, so I could probably go another 12 hours, but when I get to 40%, that's when I start charging back up again.
I'm not trying to dispute what people are saying. I'm just curious as to what people are expecting vs. what they are getting (or perceive as getting) from this phone. Again, most of the time, we get generic statements as "battery life sucks" or "it lags". Great. Please back that up with examples because otherwise, it's all in the eye of the beholder as to what great or sucky battery life is and/or what lag is.
Just to show, im currently at 60% after 21 hours of use. That's with phone calls, playing Game of War, texting, etc. I've attached the screenshot as well.
Just comparing to my Note 3, with stock FW but apex launcher.
Battery would last in excess of a day with quite heavy use, games Internet browsing etc. BT always on auto brightness.
Apps would also open instantly or as expected.
The G3 can has a battery life of less than 4hrs with little or no use. Consumes 18-19% in 7hrs overnight.
Finding myself charging the phone at every opportunity.
I know the Note 3 didn't come with qi, but the qi on the G3 is sooo picky. 1mm off and it doesn't charge.
Using stock launcher just pressing home, first the wallpaper loads followed by the icons then the widgets. No what would be called snappy.
And OMG does it get hot!!! For no reason at all. Not playing games, just emails and Web browsing.
So now I am left wondering if the phone is faulty.
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
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I have both "issues".
"poor" is g3's screen-on time on 5.0 while browsing using 4g. 5-5:30 hours on latest firmwares isn't much. It was nearly 7 hours on 4.4.2... I always set brightness to 20% auto, lighting conditions are always same.
I use phone for browsing and listening to locally stored music via Bluetooth. No watching or shooting videos or playing games.
After 5 hours of 4g web browsing i am left with empty battery.
Lag:
I define lag as "animation stuttering". I am seeing it everywhere: Vkontakte, Google Play Store, while opening drawer, switching tasks, etc... It lags often, but not always.
I have 47 user apps installed, 0 additional system apps.
The only apps that keep background services or use alarms are: Aqua mail, LMT, SBH52 smart headset, Titanium backup.
There are 4 apps using GCM for push.
There are 6 accounts (Google, Shazam, Skype, VK, tutu.ru and one money app) at sync section.
And i have got 5.4 gb free out of 25 on intsd. Shouldn't slow down writing much.
A perfect setup, right? But it still lags on official firmware.
I would assume you aren't running anything like Greenify, etc. What it sounds like is there are a lot of wake locks going on. That's where Greenify comes in. I also turn off a lot of syncs as I don't need them. As you can see with my screenshot, 60% is where I was at after 21 hours so thus phone can definitely get good battery life. But, if you do a lot of stuff for hours, no phone can keep it's battery life for long. Also, with the quad hd screen this phone has, that is a big drain, but even then, I'm getting great battery life.
Another thing with going to 5.0, it's best to start fresh. Do a factory data reset and start from scratch. Going from 4.x to 5.0, especially with Lollipop, had a lot of changes underneath the hood. There are others getting better or the same battery life, but i also think it all depends on usage.
I dont know with other guys here.but i am very happy with the lg g3 forums
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I already dumped mine at a huge loss. I would say worst phone ever, but that goes to my first Android, the Moto Backflip. Thank goodness my other phone is a M8.
Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
Only thing i'm having problems with is the fact that the ram is always overload. Used titanium to remove and freeze alot of stuff but still the ram usage is about 1.3 to 1.6gb.
This is on stock rom which is very good to me with no lag and everything an launcher needs.
Battery life from the G3 is very good, on my previous phone I was affraid to leave the house if the battery wasn't filled to 100% with the G3 i left yesterday at 62% and returned from work with still 46% (off course with no heavy use) while my data is always on.
Conclusion for me after a month of use, good value for the money.
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Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
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Greenify isn't for lag. It's for battery life.
Again, each to his own. I think it all depends on the perception of the user and what they expect and what they've gotten in the past from other phones.
Form me, this phone blows the RAZR MAXX and RAZR HD out of the water, which is what I came from and I get great battery life (well over 36 hours) before I have to recharge. And even then, at 40%, I probably could go another 12 hours but I choose not to.
Just last night, before I went to bed, the phone was at 100%. When I woke up 6 hours later, it went down only 2%, so I had 98% battery left. I've since used it to check email, read the news, played about 45 minutes of Game of War and did some updates via Google Play and I'm at 90%. That's after 9 hours since I last charged. I'd say those are pretty darn good stats for me.
Again, mileage may vary from user to user and what they expect. And from the responses I'm seeing, that's what I'm gathering. Some are saying the phone is great, others say it's okay, and others say it's awful coming from another phone. So, that definitely shows that it's all in the eye of the beholder.
But I appreciate what everyone has posted. It does appear that some who didn't like this phone have been able to find a phone that works great for them. I always try to state why a phone works great "for me" because that's what it is. It's not necessarily going to work great for someone else, but I also don't want to steer someone towards this phone if it doesn't meet their needs, so I try to explain why and how it works for me as I'm the user of this phone, and everyone else might use it differently.
Ciao!
I don't get why a lot of people are complaining about lag and support and s*** like that.
You are getting lag probably because:
(A) You don't know how to use your phone.
(B) You picked up the 16GB model (which only has 2GB RAM
(C) You're not rooted (seriously, who doesn't root their phones nowadays)
When I got this phone, I didn't have it rooted for a month. Everything was smooth despite having a lot of apps installed. It only became a lag machine when I installed Facebook and its Messenger app.
Yes there are lags from time to time, but do iPhones not lag? Of course they do, all phones do. I don't see all you guys' point.
A good phone doesn't need any sort of custom ROM and kernel, etc etc. Mine has always been on Stock ROM and Kernel, minimal lag. iPhone-like smoothness, I must say (but plus good multitasking. iOS multitasking is s***) In fact, when I upgraded to Android 5.0, it got even better.
I have stayed stock most of the time but I always have Greenify installed, (but battery life was still great before rooting and installing Greenify)
You people are just picky.
Not sure why people are seeing 18%+ drop in battery overnight in standby mode. Must either have a lot of synching going on or a misbehaving app or two.
Me, when I'm at home, WiFi is turned on. I have minimal syncing (apps, calendar, google+, photos).
Here is a screenshot I took this morning. When I first woke up, I was down to 98% overnight (was at 100% when I went to bed at midnight and when I woke at 6:30 am, it dropped only 2%).
At the time I took this screenshot, I had already read the news, did some updates, checked emails, and played about 30 minutes of Game of War and I was down to 94%. That seems like good battery life to me.
Of course, if you really want to improve the battery life of this phone, maybe you can go to Amazon and get this upgrade for the G3:
http://www.amazon.com/Warranty-Zero...id=1411938311&sr=8-1&keywords=zerolemon+lg+g3
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Hello guys, I am really interested in buying this phone and I don't want to make a mistake, as this maybe will be my phone for the next 2-3 years, maybe more.I want to know your opinions, does this phone worth to buy? Does it have that annoying bloatware that slows the phone alot(I have a s3 now and I know what I am talking ) and in everyday usage does it work smooth, how is the multitasking and the battery in normal usage (fb, calls etc)?
Also I am between this and the LG G3, I can see a lot of negative thoughts about M8 camera quality,is this true?
Thanks in advance and hope we'll meet in this forum shortly
1) What bloatware the phone has, depends on what variant you buy. But I think the Euro version are pretty clean (at least compared to some of the bloat-ridden US versions). In any case, the phone is very smooth and fast. Some folks complain about lag on Lollipop (known issue on LP in general) but I don't see it. In any case, the phone is not plagued by OS lag like the Samsung GS5 and tablets.
2) Most folks that complain about the camera don't know anything about taking pictures, and are just looking at the MP number, not the actual image quality. M8 camera loses some detail in daylight. But probably only important if blowing up or cropping the photos. The camera excels most other smartphones (at least for its "generation") in low light. Which is particularly important if you take a lot of pics indoors.
There are some other opinion on the following thread, that includes one guy that is considering ditching the LG G3 for the M8: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/wrong-t3069102
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1) What bloatware the phone has, depends on what variant you buy. But I think the Euro version are pretty clean (at least compared to some of the bloat-ridden US versions). In any case, the phone is very smooth and fast. Some folks complain about lag on Lollipop (known issue on LP in general) but I don't see it. In any case, the phone is not plagued by OS lag like the Samsung GS5 and tablets.
2) Most folks that complain about the camera don't know anything about taking pictures, and are just looking at the MP number, not the actual image quality. M8 camera loses some detail in daylight. But probably only important if blowing up or cropping the photos. The camera excels most other smartphones (at least for its "generation") in low light. Which is particularly important if you take a lot of pics indoors.
There are some other opinion on the following thread, that includes one guy that is considering ditching the LG G3 for the M8: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/wrong-t3069102
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Thanks for the answer my friend, but how is the battery, how much SOT did you get after a day of moderate work?
gabyif said:
Thanks for the answer my friend, but how is the battery, how much SOT did you get after a day of moderate work?
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I get around 6-7 hours of screen on time with 4g/3g and 1 hour of gaming. I can't finish the battery in a day on normal use. I don't have the time. Refer to this post and thread for screen shots. I don't run with gps or location on when not needed or auto sync.
Most bloatware from carrier I could uninstall (I'm on vodafone, not sure about orange or telekom) and bloat from HTC (useful stuff but if don't need it is bloatware) like kid mode, dot view mode and such can't be uninstalled. Stock Sense is fast, the fastest I ever seen on android and the speakers will blow you away first time you hear them
Rooting and flashing roms is easy and you don't need S-OFF for that but make sure you do a nandroid on your stock so you can revert and take the otas when needed.
gabyif said:
Thanks for the answer my friend, but how is the battery, how much SOT did you get after a day of moderate work?
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The above response from TempesZ is better than I can give on this; as I'll have to admit I'm personally not a heavy user on the phone most days (on work computer all day, than mostly use my tablet at home in the evenings). But with light usage, I can get up to 48 hours on a single charge. If my kid uses the phone to watch movies or play games for a couple hours, I can still easily make it through the day with some charge left by the time I put it on the charger before bed.
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I get around 6-7 hours of screen on time with 4g/3g and 1 hour of gaming. I can't finish the battery in a day on normal use. I don't have the time. Refer to this post and thread for screen shots. I don't run with gps or location on when not needed or auto sync.
Most bloatware from carrier I could uninstall (I'm on vodafone, not sure about orange or telekom) and bloat from HTC (useful stuff but if don't need it is bloatware) like kid mode, dot view mode and such can't be uninstalled. Stock Sense is fast, the fastest I ever seen on android and the speakers will blow you away first time you hear them
Rooting and flashing roms is easy and you don't need S-OFF for that but make sure you do a nandroid on your stock so you can revert and take the otas when needed.
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Thank you for your answers guys, I think I just changed my mind .BTW...does it heat more than normal?
redpoint73 said:
The above response from TempesZ is better than I can give on this; as I'll have to admit I'm personally not a heavy user on the phone most days (on work computer all day, than mostly use my tablet at home in the evenings). But with light usage, I can get up to 48 hours on a single charge. If my kid uses the phone to watch movies or play games for a couple hours, I can still easily make it through the day with some charge left by the time I put it on the charger before bed.
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Thank you for your answers guys, I think I just changed my mind .BTW...does it heat more than normal?
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Nope.
gabyif said:
Thank you for your answers guys, I think I just changed my mind .BTW...does it heat more than normal?
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if you want a phone to put in your pocket to keep things warm in those cold winter days, then buy an M9 http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-m9-overheating-594799/
Here's a whole thread of photo samples, if you want to see what the M8 is capable of: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694621
Seanie280672 said:
if you want a phone to put in your pocket to keep things warm in those cold winter days, then buy an M9 http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-m9-overheating-594799/
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It looks to me like HTC tried to cheat on benchmarks (by turning off the thermal throttling) and it backfired! And most of the smartphone manufacturers do cheat on these.
Seanie280672 said:
if you want a phone to put in your pocket to keep things warm in those cold winter days, then buy an M9 http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-m9-overheating-594799/
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Nice one mate )
TempestZ said:
I get around 6-7 hours of screen on time with 4g/3g and 1 hour of gaming. I can't finish the battery in a day on normal use. I don't have the time. Refer to this post and thread for screen shots. I don't run with gps or location on when not needed or auto sync.
Most bloatware from carrier I could uninstall (I'm on vodafone, not sure about orange or telekom) and bloat from HTC (useful stuff but if don't need it is bloatware) like kid mode, dot view mode and such can't be uninstalled. Stock Sense is fast, the fastest I ever seen on android and the speakers will blow you away first time you hear them
Rooting and flashing roms is easy and you don't need S-OFF for that but make sure you do a nandroid on your stock so you can revert and take the otas when needed.
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How do you manage to get such good battery life? I get 5.5 hours of screen time at best. That may be due to me having horrible service in my area. Still running stock Lollipop.
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How do you manage to get such good battery life? I get 5.5 hours of screen time at best. That may be due to me having horrible service in my area. Still running stock Lollipop.
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Depends what you are doing with your phone. 7 hours I hit in wifi and without using chrome too much (read hours) and instead relying on things like tapatalk and apps and no games. I am using Maximus HD with stock kernel. I have good signal (always 100%) and brightness usually is low enough and at night is at 0. I can tell you brightness makes a massive difference. I don't use auto brightness but manual and never use gps and location unless I need it. For example if I browse XDA through the xda developers app I get around 11-12% per hour drain on wifi and around 15% on 4g. (check picture, 20 min screen, 4% drain)
Keeping wakelocks to a minimum helps a lot to conserve that extra juice for your screen time. I use my android tools to disable wakelocks and greenify on stuff like facebook. No auto sync either since that would be only my mail and I don't need sync for that.
If I game and have WiFi on I usually hit 6 hours with 1 hour of games or so and that's my average sot.
I don't use Google apps except Google newsstand that syncs only when I want to read it and Google play services which is mandatory. No Google+, no maps (I use waze), no gmail ( ok maybe I use inbox with no auto sync). In Google settings I disabled location history and of course I don't use Google now (another useless drain) though you might use it.
I don't use blinkfeed, I use nova launcher.
Oh and power saver kicks in at 15% and it helps for the last hour or more. It reduces your CPU from 2.3 to 1.2 ghz but I think it's worth the performance impact at that point. 5% is extreme saver time but I never let it go that low on purpose
Check Darth's thread for tips.