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wm7... the end?

Is winmo7 gonna be the end of winmo development here at xda? It's totally new, and its gonna be really hard to port it to existing winmo phones, and its a lot more locked down...

I was wondering the same thing after watching the press event video, which is why I came here to see reaction.

As long as there is a registry it hackable... I feel sorry for HTC or cannot customise their phones to have a unique selling point over other OEM's

It seems MS have built it for the sole purpose of cracking the "consumer" market. Looks incredibly pretty and i'm sure it will "work", however, whether it will be as appealing to the xda-dev community is another question!! A bit too early to say it's the end, but just from viewing the promotional videos, I can see my love for Android growing further!!

windows phone 7 has got me quite excited.. looking fwd to use it come december 2010.

I think you're right that it's just too early to tell. I hope you're right about the registry/hackable comment, though.

I am wondering would Microsoft be so stupid to create almost a totally new OS. If they do, i believe there will some sort of migrator to migrate apps to the new os. However i am seriously disappointed if they decide to remove mutiltask.

6.5.3 will remain alive and well for enterprise and developing markets, so even if we can't port winmo 7 there will still be updates to 6.5. Either way, MS has pretty much destroyed new app development for 6.5, as many of the major players will probably wait to develop exclusively for 7. I'm definately excited about 7 though; in the meantime it looks like android will be your friend if your looking for apps.

I think it will be a new beginning. However, the new SDK will likely be based on WPF or Silverlight, so the .NET knowledge of the current developers can be applied (however, WPF has IMHO a steep learning curve) and some code can be transferred. Game development will likely be based on XNA (you can already create Zune XNA games).
The big question for me is: Is publishing/installation of new applications as easy as it is currently the case? The worst case scenario would be a mandatory marketplace and you have to pay a fee to get your application added. However, I think that Microsoft will be going a developer-friendly way, because the third party applications will make or brake the OS.

The worst case scenario would be a mandatory marketplace and you have to pay a fee to get your application added.
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That's exactly what's happening...

i just hope, that the multi billion dollar companies, make everything in the phone work the way it has to, and not wait till some regular people on this forum turn the phone into a good device.. seriously, i buy a WM knowing that its crap, just cause i know that here on XDA i can fix it and make it how i want it...

I just hope m$ has not gone the apple way blocking all development !
that will be a really really sad day on XDA.
Too early to say.
First few leaks should arrive some months hence.

irdawood said:
As long as there is a registry it hackable... I feel sorry for HTC or cannot customise their phones to have a unique selling point over other OEM's
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I think you didn't paid attention to what was said in the conference.
They said, on top OEM's can customize it to add their experience to it. So HTC and other can customize it, but not to the extend of WM 6.5's case. That's because to give a consistent experience to us ( users ).
Please don't get into conclusion's without understanding what was said.

well here's a video
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-impressions/

yerand said:
Is winmo7 gonna be the end of winmo development here at xda? It's totally new, and its gonna be really hard to port it to existing winmo phones, and its a lot more locked down...
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no dev's have even gotten their hands on this yet. How the heck would you know what's possible with is and what's not?

Well, it is new, Microsoft stated that it has more restrictions, and its pretty much a brand new os, because microsoft also stated that its built from the ground up, therefore its like porting android to a winmo phone. It has very little of its older winmo roots.

ibsa03 said:
i just hope, that the multi billion dollar companies, make everything in the phone work the way it has to, and not wait till some regular people on this forum turn the phone into a good device.. seriously, i buy a WM knowing that its crap, just cause i know that here on XDA i can fix it and make it how i want it...
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I totally agree with u the reason i bought my htc fuze and sold my nokia phone was because i love how cuztomizeable wm is and even if they become like apple there is always android

But wasnt there supposed to be an OEM version of Windows Mobile 7 that could be customized by third party's such as HTC? From what I saw of the press coverage, we were just seeing the "interface" much like titanium and Touchflo.....but who knows....

semmtexx said:
no dev's have even gotten their hands on this yet. How the heck would you know what's possible with is and what's not?
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It may well be that it is the most easy to crack ever, However, i dobt that
@Microsoft, WHY!!!???! if i wanted an consumer OS, i would of purchased an iBrick
Why not kill 6.6, make 6.9 with the winmo 7 kernal and code in some .NET support and let HTC work it's magic
Badwolve1

for a long time, the older phones (wizard old) have been able to run the newest versions (6.5.3). i think this is gonna end development on those old phones. hopefully we will get it to run on the new phones like the hd2

WinMo 7 on my EVO?

Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?

Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.

Housoft said:
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.

You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.

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You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO

timothydonohue said:
chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.

Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?

ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?

Junon said:
This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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SharkUW said:
Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.

Is it feasible to port windows phone 7 to the g2

Topic.
Only reason I ask is because I'm the type that gets bored with phones easily so I'm looking to switch it up a bit. That, and I like the Zune features..

How would you port it with no source code ?

WHY would you want to pollute a GOOD phone with that TRASH???!?!?

dhkr123 said:
WHY would you want to pollute a GOOD phone with that TRASH???!?!?
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For the reasons I mentioned above.

WHAT??
I agree, Windows is pure garbage! That's still not reason enough 2 port windows.

greengoldmello said:
For the reasons I mentioned above.
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If you get bored with Android, its OPEN SOURCE!!! Start coding/hacking.
Coding is exciting. Way more fun than dumpster diving.
And its even LEGAL.

If you really are bored with the phone, then sell it and buy a WP7 phone. You'll probably come back to Android once you see all the things that are currently missing from WP7.

I think it'd be cool to dual boot instead of having to go out and purchase a whole new phone. For now the closest we've got it Windows 3.1 over aDoxBox ... rofl!

Do a search for the dual boot threads, and find a WP7 dev willing to leak source. Still don't understand how anything about this phone and it's dev community can be boring.

would it be possible to get windows mobile 7 working?

I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me

Then you will have to wait for verizon to have a WP7 Phone. Even if a rom was somehow ported over and made to work with the Increbile, it would be very limited, and it's already been said that the xbox live function would not be able to work. I don't have the link for it but a quick google search should net you that information.

Bobboman said:
I was wondering if was even possible, i noticed that verizon doesn't even have a windows mobile 7 phone and i'd like to play with it for a bit and yes the whole xbox live thing interests me
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Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.

it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG

Bobboman said:
it really would, i did like MIUI but at the same time it felt way too much like the Iphone for me to continue using it though my ex girlfriend is using it on her droid OG
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I had the same issue. The trick to miui is using the aosp elements theme. No more iPhoney icons.
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There is a WP7 theme, if you just want the look. The info is in Android Themes and Apps.

AlpineM3 said:
Bobboman, that would be an interesting concept. I wrote the thread regarding possibly porting over a BBerry 6 styled UI, but no takers and don't even know if it is possible at that.
MIUI gives you an iPhoneish experience and that makes me believe if somebody invested their time in prepping such a ROM resembling WP7 or BBerry 6, it could be accomplished. Again, i'm just speculating here, but I like where your head is at and I too look forward to anything our crazy bad ass Dev's come up with.
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Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).

najaboy said:
Cooking a ROM that has a similar feel to WP7 and actually porting it (which is what the OP wants) are two entirely different animals. Customizing the appearance of the UI is one thing... actually implementing the functionality that's core to WP7 is an entirely different animal. Since WP7 is not open source, a successful port is extremely problematic at best... even Android to Android ports have their limitations (such as those found in the Desire Z ports).
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Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.

AlpineM3 said:
Thanks for actually trying to explain the difficulty in porting such a ROM instead of bashing me for asking or proposing a similiar idea.
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No bashing here. Some rabid purists would say, "If you want the ____ experience, you should buy a ____ phone". Hell, one of the main bennies of our phones is customization.
Like I said though, it would be possible for someone with talent (that I admittantly lack) to come up with a similar UI. But without access to source, porting the functionality that we'd want from WP7 isn't especially probable.

thanks for explaining that najaboy i figured that it was as simple as getting ahold of stock windows mobile 7 giving it the Inc drivers and going from there
i saw that the HD2 is running it so i thought it might be possible to bring it to the inc even with basic functionality if i knew how to even attempt it i would my self
and yea themeing is not something i'm interested in, i do like the stock look of android but windows mobile 7 would be fun to play with i think
and saying if you like it so much why don't you buy it is such a stupid thing to say as 1) verizon doesn't have it and 2) when i upgraded to the incredible windows mobile 7 wasn't even out yet

Windows Mobile 7 on Samsung Galaxy SII T-989

Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.

Would be cool to dual boot like the HD2 days. But TBH Sui, we barely have any devs for anroid let alone start a whole new can of worms with WP7. Like the idea though.... +1

Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
$1 gets you a reply

Kailkti said:
Wp7 doesn't support multiple cores.
$1 gets you a reply
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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.

Good Point Kallkti, but soon it will. I was at a mircosoft event and we will see an update in a few months to support it. In theory couldnt we just use one core like ....idk the original froyo/GB code, and keep the second core sleeping. I never wrote kernel code im only asking

lol we dont even have a working CM7 or Miui...yet you want this?! i dont think it'll ever happen

GS2 doesn't meet hardware requirements for 6 hardware buttons and who knows what else, but seems to me if someone wants a WM7 phone, you get one.
Another thought - get an HTC HD2 - ROMs available for WM 6.5, 7 and just about every flavor of android available. A little slow (1 GHz) but satisfies all other requests.

I think it'd be awesome, been thinking about this myself. Probably damn difficult if not impossible to do at this point.
My girlfriend has a Samsung focus and it's pretty sweet. I find myself getting jealous over her phone at times especially with the zune pass lol.
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Why
Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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Why would you ruin a perfectly good phone and turn it into an unstable brick?

The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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They have not released any dual core wp7 phones.

Windows Phone 7 will never work unless Microsoft makes it open source. The Hd2 was lucky only because the Hd7 has the same exact internals and even that phone doesn't run Windows flawlessly.
Its like trying to put iOS or RIM's software on the GSII. It will never work and if you are lucky to get it to boot it will be extremely buggy!!!!
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I just don't understand why you would want that OS on such an amazing piece of hardware. WM7 in my opinion is just too limited in the things you can do, hence the reason why people including myself rid of 6.5 from their HD2's.

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Except for, you know, the already released dual-core WP7 phones.
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What windowsphone7 phones have you seen with dual cores? Even the top of the line phones are single core be ause the OS doesn't support it yet.
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wp7 runs extremely smooth and looks very nice. i don't know why this phone has no cool stuff, we have a bunch of competent developers, even cyanogen is working on this phone. i'm hoping that in the next 3 months development will explode for this phone.

like stated before if we can't even get a stable version of cm7 or miui we are deff not getting this here....... lol

If it's looks you want there might be a launcher theme out there you could try
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Sui Generis said:
Who dares?
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
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i still have my hd2. its cool as hell but i never used wm6-7. why because it sucks-hard. why would you want that? Oh if you like wm and like your phone, download a wm7 launcher. i think thats going to be the most development youll see.

Charlie Brown said:
The question is not who dares. But why? Lol
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Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989

OriginalMemnock said:
Windows Phone 7.5 is a better OS than Android. Does it have as much developer support? No. But speaking strictly of the OS itself, it's much more efficient, handles battery life much better, is smoother out of the box. It just needs more love from software developers.
That said, what the OP is suggesting is never going to happen. Least of all on the Hercules/T989
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Ya saying Windows phone anything is better than android is just straight up garbage sorry. If that was the case it wouldn't have 1% marketshare while the richest company in the world is marketing and pushing it.
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