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Before going to Official Froyo, think about this...

Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.

^^^what he said^^^^ +1

Most, if not all people will be waiting for a rooted version. I'll be amazed if people unroot just to get it, when it'll be modded in no time. The test release by udk is a prime example.
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kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Gingerbread

Agree with the original poster's sentiments. Also worth considering that this could very easily be the last major update for HTC to roll out to the Desire. There's already a newer generation of devices out and HTC have no incentive to keep us at the leading edge. I got a clear taste of this with my previous HTC Magic - dropped by Vodafone like an unwanted toy once they started selling newer devices. Thankfully it was completely unlocked and I could flash all the custom ROMs on that which I liked but since it was a 32B if I had gone official and somehow ended up there I'd have been left behind at 1.6.

I "upgraded" from Hero (which I liked pretty much) to Desire about a month ago, and it's still unrooted. I rooted and installed a custom ROM to my Hero (a couple of weeks before the official 2.1 came out) and I was far from impressed. It became slow and laggy, the available RAM was way below than on the original 1.5 etc. I assume that I should've try other ROMs as well but at a certain point I just got tired so I switched to Desire. I love the way it is. It's fast, responsive and I enjoy all the possibilities of the hardware. I can even impress my iPhone friends with a little smile on my face.
The guy I sold my Hero just updated to the official OTA 2.1 a couple of days ago. Guess what? It's flying! I wouldn't believe it if I couldn't see with my own eyes.
I love what you guys do here. I really do. I'm amazed and impressed with all the work and effort you put in these custom ROMs. I'm reading all the interesting threads, tips, tricks etc. It's good to have a place like this board. It's good to have full control over our handsets, install software others can't. But I kinda like the way HTC puts together and tests its ROMs even if it's bloated with stuff I'll never use. I'll check for updates every hour this weekend Cos I'm eager to try all the new features. Maybe later I'll switch to a custom ROM which is based on the official, but for now I'm focusing on the "Check now" button

even though it hurts to say so.. but I agree

kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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8 chara

Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...

What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.

as long as froyo doesn't modify the hboot to a new version, you can always rollback and unroot.

pina_ said:
Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
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Because the leaked froyo came with a new HBOOT (which was removed by devs here) which at the moment is unrootable. And may be unrootable forever!
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Me too
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Agreed, I finally took the plunge to root and A2SD, the latter of which is amazing Is it really too much to ask for, just to install apps on the SD?

I will wait for Froyo Official-based custom ROMS!

macacao said:
Me too
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That would be perfect..! And wake phone with the select button.

I was near to unroot and and go back to the normal rom. But now not anymore after what u guys said. Thx.
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So if someone buy a HTC desire after the update he may not be able to get root ever. Lucky us!
Sent from my HTC Desire using my fingers.

I highly doubt no one is ever going to be able to root if they officially upgrade to 2.2. It will happen, it might just take a while that's all for Paul and co. to do it..

I think that all of you that says that the new Hboot could not be hacked, underestimate many very very skilled peoples knowledge. Just because it isn't cracked now, it not equal to *incrackable*.
I am very certain that it will be cracked or something else and then root access can be achieved again.

Where to find rooted FroYo WITHOUT all the extras?

I decided to wait to see the lay of the land instead of diving in for the OTA update, and after seeing all the issues people had with the Market and then not being able to gain root access and green cameras amongst other things, I'm glad I did.
So now I believe it's safe. I'm already running Pay's 2.2 with Sense, but a few things don't work in it so I'd like to go to the official HTC build...problem is every chef has to ADD their own little flair to every ROM they release. I don't want extras or Arabic or Chinese or edited host files or to have half the apps removed or random dev apps added. I just want the exact ROM released by HTC, but rooted.
I can't find it community..maybe because I'm stupid. Can you help?
[UPDATE]
Found exactly what I was after at last:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775

+1 As well. I would like to flash a simple stock ROM that has all the HTC bloatware removed. I don't do stocks, facebook, twitter and so on but haven't found nothing yet. I guess the Devs need to to disect the official ROM, a bit more waiting then.
I guess i better start looking into rooting my Desire via Unrevoked to enable me to flash the ROM when it becomes available.

Tyler1981 said:
+1 As well. I would like to flash a simple stock ROM that has all the HTC bloatware removed. I don't do stocks, facebook, twitter and so on but haven't found nothing yet. I guess the Devs need to to disect the official ROM, a bit more waiting then.
I guess i better start looking into rooting my Desire via Unrevoked to enable me to flash the ROM when it becomes available.
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From what I've seen you can get that sort of thing easily. It's the reverse I was actually looking for. I DO use most of the stuff HTC ship with their build, apart from Teeter and Plurk, but every ROM I've seen goes to the pains of removing almost everything I use!

I use the froyo sense ROM from the open desire team which has the minimal mods but it sound like this is the one you're after...
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741775

htc-rocks said:
I use the froyo sense ROM from the open desire team which has the minimal mods but it sound like this is the one you're after...
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741775
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Yeah thanks, found it just before you posted. Appreciated anyway.

[Q] Several Questions about mods etc

I just got my desire HD a few days ago. But have been visiting this site from some time back. Now i wanna load a custom mod on my phone. However there are several questions which i am stuck at. :|
1) What is the difference between the "Android Revolution HD 3.2 mod[ARHD]" and "Cynagenmod"?
2)Is rooting required? If yes, could anyone help me how to please.
3)In the Themes and Apps section i seen that many themes had the [CM7] tag. Im assuming this is for the cyanogenmod, but will it work on the "ARHD" also?
4)Most of the mods installation asks for S-off or so. What is it? :
5)What is flashing?
and lastly
6)Whats the difference between Sense UI and no-sense UI? [im thinking it includes/excludes the default htc sense.]

As i am new at these things too, i will try to answer some of your questions.
1. Cyanogenmod is based on AOST source, which is main android source, while Revolution, LeeDrOID and rest are based on HTC source.
2. To be able to flash cooked ROM your Desire HD needs to be rooted.
Full step-by-step guide is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11557769
3. Themes for one ROM might work on other, but are not recommended.
4. Check the guide in point 2.
5. Same as above.
6. I think you got that right.
I hope i helped you a bit.Cheers

glenvarun said:
I just got my desire HD a few days ago. But have been visiting this site from some time back. Now i wanna load a custom mod on my phone. However there are several questions which i am stuck at. :|
1) What is the difference between the "Android Revolution HD 3.2 mod[ARHD]" and "Cynagenmod"?
2)Is rooting required? If yes, could anyone help me how to please.
3)In the Themes and Apps section i seen that many themes had the [CM7] tag. Im assuming this is for the cyanogenmod, but will it work on the "ARHD" also?
4)Most of the mods installation asks for S-off or so. What is it? :
5)What is flashing?
and lastly
6)Whats the difference between Sense UI and no-sense UI? [im thinking it includes/excludes the default htc sense.]
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Some of the mods are made specificaly for a ROM. The tag describes what ROM they are designed for. Rooting and S-OFF is requred for installation of a custom ROM, so yes, it's required for the mods also. You should probably ask the mod developer if his mod is compatable with another ROM, but I think CM7 being Gingerbread and ARHD3.2 being Froyo, the chances are slim. S-OFF is "Security OFF". HTC introduced a level of security which was supposed to make the system "read only" for anyone but them to prevent custom ROMs, kernels and ultimately - overclocking, which potentialy can damage your device. Luckily thy didn't do a good job on that, so the developers found a workaround. Flashing is writing a new ROM, kernel or a set of system files in your phone. And lastly, you are correct about the sense/non-sense stuff.
You can find good guides in the developement section about rooting, S-OFF (both radio and eng), flashing ROMs, etc. Bear in mind though that if your software version is 1.72, you'll have to downgrade first to get to the rootable 1.32

First of all thanks for the help.
I suppose flash means to install. Also the guide you gave me tells how to put s-off but i wanted to know what does s-off mean??
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@ tkolev
Thanks a ton maan , that seriously helped a lot .
Btw you suggested in your post that overclockin could hwrm the system. Can cuetom roms also harm the system by any way??
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glenvarun said:
@ tkolev
Thanks a ton maan , that seriously helped a lot .
Btw you suggested in your post that overclockin could hwrm the system. Can cuetom roms also harm the system by any way??
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Custom Roms are there to help and inprove the things...
Overclocking is running an hardware to something which it was not designed for...So it could harm the phone (Does not mean that it always does, there are guys who are running the overclock phone without problem).
Custom Roms are just the installed ROM so if you flash one rom and don't like it replace it with another one..before flashing read the instruction and flash (I was only able to run official rom for 2 hours, after that I rooted and installed CM7...

@sanju.
so there wouldnt be any problems right? and which would you suggest.
Revolution or CM7 ?
Also the warranty gets void if im not wrong but is there any way to counter it like in the case of apple devices?

Yes you can revert your handset back to complete factory settings by running a suitable RUU (Rom Update Utility).
This will restore everything, except Radio S-OFF, back to HTC defaults. You could then send your handset away to be repaired, etc...

glenvarun said:
@sanju.
so there wouldnt be any problems right? and which would you suggest.
Revolution or CM7 ?
Also the warranty gets void if im not wrong but is there any way to counter it like in the case of apple devices?
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Rom depends on your choice, Revolution is based on HTC framework (sense and no-sense both available), 3.2 is froyo based, 4.X is gingerbread but its in beta..YOu will get the stock applications like video player, camera etc..
CM7 is also under development, RC2 is stable version, It is based on AOSP GingerBread...has a lot of modifications....I use this one....Just my preferance...
You can try both and see which one you like...
About warrenty, yes, you need to restore the RUU to claim it, but there are enough thread around which will tell you how to do that...
The only thing is I haven't seen the RUU for India, there is one for Asia and version number is close so that can work...in case it is required, or...before flashing custom rom create a backup for your official rom and save that backup...so that you can use that to come back to official rom...

Oh but i checked and seen that in CM7 the things like gps and google maps don't work .

tkolev said:
Some of the mods are made specificaly for a ROM. The tag describes what ROM they are designed for. Rooting and S-OFF is requred for installation of a custom ROM, so yes, it's required for the mods also.
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Not all custom roms require S-OFF btw... I would root your phone, once you have custom recovery you can flash your custom rom
get familiar with adb and just read read read .... plenty of guides out there
I would S-OFF after you are familiar with everything else... messing around with partition tables is a easy way to brick your phone... you can always S-OFF at a later date (just my personal view - alot of people S-OFF very quickly - depends how badly you want additional mods)

glenvarun said:
Oh but i checked and seen that in CM7 the things like gps and google maps don't work .
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Some people have had trouble with the gps lock on CM7, not all, as I for one haven't got any problems with neither of the RCs nor the nightlys. I'm running nightly build 20 atm. And there is a fix for the gps included in the latest two nightlys so it's not a problem anymore.

just read a lot man, all informations you want is spread out there! in beggining this thread helps a lot: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846248
hope it can help! =o)

glenvarun said:
@ tkolev
Thanks a ton maan , that seriously helped a lot .
Btw you suggested in your post that overclockin could hwrm the system. Can cuetom roms also harm the system by any way??
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No, overclocking to a reasonable extend should not harm your phone. I'm running an overclocked kernel (1.2 GHz) and it has no negative effect on my phone. In the manufacturing process there are deviations from the design and Qualcomm has rated the processor which is in our DHDs to 1GHz. This means that most processors can safely handle higher frequencies, but the higher they rate their production, more units will have to be scrapped. I think it's quite safe to go for 1.2 or even 1.5 (if you really need it and monitor the teperature closely) but I would never run on 1.8 GHz. I just wanted to explain why HTC decided to go for locked internal memory. There is a reason for that, not just because they are mean control freaks... oh wait those were Apple .

BigMrB said:
Not all custom roms require S-OFF btw... I would root your phone, once you have custom recovery you can flash your custom rom
get familiar with adb and just read read read .... plenty of guides out there
I would S-OFF after you are familiar with everything else... messing around with partition tables is a easy way to brick your phone... you can always S-OFF at a later date (just my personal view - alot of people S-OFF very quickly - depends how badly you want additional mods)
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I didn't know that you can install a custom recovery without S-OFF. Or a custom ROM without a custom recovery. Anyway there are many users which followed the guide in the developement section (including me) and did just fine (thanks to the great tools made by jkoljo and all the help we get in this great forum). Ultimately is anyone's decision what to do with his/her own phone.

I'm gonna s-off this weekend after I've fixed my custom recovery
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Guess u guys are confusing between Radio S-Off and Eng-S-OFF.
You can't install a custom recovery without Eng-SOFF, hence u can't install custom Roms.
There is a one click S-Off for Eng-Soff & Radio S-OFf which u can find in Dev Section.
This should do the work quickly and in a painless way...
Personally i would recommend to go for MIUI or CM7...

All your questions have been answered clearly.
Just one warning regarding the warranty. It's possible to revert to stock EXCEPT if one hard key is needed and it doesn't work.
If on DHD all can be done via adb then it's ok (never checked).
I'm just coming from HD2 and without vol- key you were fu**ed (can't launch the bootloader but OS bootable).
Anyway never stopped me to install custom roms the first day

[q] root help

Hi all genius guys,
I got htc dhd running android 2.3. It's not rooted yet. I like to root my phone if it's safe so, I love to test the new sense 3.0. I was wondering how should I root my phone that running android 2.3. Is the new sense 3.0 stable on htc dhd. Can I back up my current ROM and can I recover it back to it's original state incase any problem occurs.
Hope It's making sense. since I don't know much about android.
Many Thanks

Hey, welcome
Have a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122021
Second post has a lot of links and info you would need
quick question do you know if you're dhd is vers 2.3.7? If so no root as yet...
Otherwise follow info above , you're apps etc stay with google, so make sure you sync.
You can back up sms , browse the market for that one.
Returning to stock is not too hard, you can find stock ruu's within xda to bring you back to ground...
Most of all read up well , spend some time and then attempt rooting you're phone so as to have a little understanding.
Sense 3.0 is great, you have lots of choices , try 'unity' , very promising, and good support there , personally looking into ' beatmod flyersense' a port of the flyer rom.
Anyway that should get you started.
Sent from outer space on my DHD running beatmod gingersense v1.3

Thank ya for being so nice. I confirmed the build n software number is 2.37
I'll go through the link ya provided. Let you know about the updates
Many thanks

hero000 said:
Thank ya for being so nice. I confirmed the build n software number is 2.37
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That's ok , I found it difficult to begin with and it helps if someone can guide you along , if I come across a 2.37 exploit, I'll post it here so you can see , will save you searching all over for it.
Sent from outer space on my DHD running beatmod gingersense v1.3

Thanks steeveeo I hope the xda pro guys come up with new exploit.

[Q] Stock Rom for UK DHD Phone

newbie here to all this..
last week I finally rooted my DHD to turn s-on to s-off and after days of reading post after post I finally got it done, anyway whilst doing this it has now downgraded my phone software to an older version. 2.3.3 sense 2.1
can someone point me in the right direction to where I can download the stock updated rom for this phone or is there a custom rom that's even better than the stock one that I could use.? ive been looking in the Android Development section but there's way too many to go through & I don't want anything to fancy just stock HTC looking will do just great.. plus I don't want to run the risk of bricking the phone as im very new to this sort of thing so can do without trying different roms out as I was happy with the HTC look of the phone... and is it easy to upgrade as its taken me near on a week of reading to find the b*lls to root it.. LOL
thanks for any help..
BaRoN
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BaRoN30s said:
newbie here to all this..
last week I finally rooted my DHD to turn s-on to s-off and after days of reading post after post I finally got it done, anyway whilst doing this it has now downgraded my phone software to an older version. 2.3.3 sense 2.1
can someone point me in the right direction to where I can download the stock updated rom for this phone or is there a custom rom that's even better than the stock one that I could use.? ive been looking in the Android Development section but there's way too many to go through & I don't want anything to fancy just stock HTC looking will do just great.. plus I don't want to run the risk of bricking the phone as im very new to this sort of thing so can do without trying different roms out as I was happy with the HTC look of the phone... and is it easy to upgrade as its taken me near on a week of reading to find the b*lls to root it.. LOL
thanks for any help..
BaRoN
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Best thing if you want Stock ROM is Android Revolution HD, BEST stock based ROM (Sense 3.0, 2.3.5 Gingerbread)
Although you might like to experiment with other Android versions, like AOSP (exactly as Google intended it), AOKP (slightly modified), CyanogenMod (Different thing altogether) or even MIUI (if you like the iPhone's simplicity)